tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5020495033103172094..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Jihad against stereotypes leaves Onion unfunnyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78889183621174734342013-04-23T17:50:06.215-07:002013-04-23T17:50:06.215-07:00She swooned over the doe-like gaze and Byronic man...She swooned over the doe-like gaze and Byronic mane in his mugshot, but when the SWAT guys lifted his shirt to check him for a suicide vest, the sight of his rippling abs sealed the deal.<br /><br />The Crystals said it all:<br /><br />"He's a rebel and he'll never ever be any good<br />He's a rebel 'cause he never ever does what he should"<br />But just because he doesn't do what everybody else does,<br />That's no reason why I can't give him all my love<br />Harry Baldwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38399485471916298072013-04-23T16:23:12.212-07:002013-04-23T16:23:12.212-07:00There was a Sopranos episode making fun of this: T...There was a Sopranos episode making fun of this: Tony tells Christopher the Russian they've kidnapped is a special forces guy who killed a bunch of Chechens, but this is misheard as an interior decorator who killed Czechoslovakians.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24794654598386531142013-04-23T16:05:52.914-07:002013-04-23T16:05:52.914-07:00I can only believe that if the Brits were young pe...<i>I can only believe that if the Brits were young people on a boozy holiday (Prague's big for stag dos and the like). It's possible that they're ill-educated enough.<br /><br />Older Brits know about Munich</i><br /><br />The Brit who first the subject up after being surprised to see churches in Prague was over 60. Most of the others (British and Australian mostly) were between 40 and 55. The Brits on stag weekends rarely leave the pubs and whorehouses long enough to notice any historical sites unless they are arrested for vomiting or urinating on them.Matranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23152545454175705242013-04-23T14:50:48.081-07:002013-04-23T14:50:48.081-07:00it's more like the opposite; liberals havent k...it's more like the opposite; liberals havent known enough about Chechnya to come up with b.s. smokescreens for accurate Chechynan generalizations, so their defense has been clumsy so far (eg, he Is LITERALLY CAUCASIAN)Garlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03453366944819816207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1036954185837253192013-04-23T14:22:20.559-07:002013-04-23T14:22:20.559-07:00C'mon, Onion.
If I wanted to avoid laughter b...C'mon, Onion.<br /><br />If I wanted to avoid laughter by reading PC propaganda disguised as jokes, I'd read cracked.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11948829227123320712013-04-23T12:32:48.394-07:002013-04-23T12:32:48.394-07:00That guy Valery, the interior decorator from the P...That guy Valery, the interior decorator from the Pine Barrens episode of the Sopranos, killed 16 Chechen rebels single handed. <br /><br />When I saw this episode I laughed my ass off because Chrissie thought Tony had said the Russian was an interior decorator. Actually he was from the Russian Interior Ministry. I think that they are quite different. Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006327947962804096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11812056213535289342013-04-23T12:20:14.153-07:002013-04-23T12:20:14.153-07:00Given that one of the Tsarnaev brothers actually c...Given that one of the Tsarnaev brothers actually complained on Twitter about Muslims being stereotyped as terrorists, this gem from 1997 seemed particularly germane:<br /><br />http://www.theonion.com/articles/crazed-palestinian-gunman-angered-by-stereotypes,1651/<br /><br />'Al Hamad also stressed the importance of understanding and celebrating the cultural differences between crazed Palestinian gunmen and non-crazed, non-Palestinian non-gunmen.<br /><br />"All the different peoples of the world have something special to offer each other," he said. "Our diversity is our greatest strength. Let's not make a weakness out of that strength."<br /><br />To emphasize his point, al Hamad fired into a crowd, killing nine.'<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16185681384097509892013-04-23T11:45:57.716-07:002013-04-23T11:45:57.716-07:00Norway and Sweden were also being invaded by immig...Norway and Sweden were also being invaded by immigrants they wouldn't so easily fall for the "it's our fault for having an empire" argument."<br /><br />Norway and Sweden were knucklheaded enough to have an empire where they derived no benefit but only costs. Their "empire" was an SWPL Council of Foreign type NGO and UN Troops and mediation of conflicts in places such as Iraq,Sri Lanka(Norway was heavily involved in mediating the LTTE truce) and Somalia.<br /><br />Not exactly invade the world, invite the world but..Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72856939682060776962013-04-23T11:34:12.704-07:002013-04-23T11:34:12.704-07:00"Having listened to questions and comments ma...<i>"Having listened to questions and comments made by Anglos (Brits mostly) on a walking tour of Prague (they thought Czechs were Islamic!)"</i><br /><br />I can only believe that if the Brits were young people on a boozy holiday (Prague's big for stag dos and the like). It's possible that they're ill-educated enough.<br /><br />Older Brits know about Munich - some may even remember who Jan Palach was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59151534419848997662013-04-23T11:07:35.637-07:002013-04-23T11:07:35.637-07:00Matra is right - the tone of the article may be PC...Matra is right - the tone of the article may be PC, but the truth that Americans know nothing about Chechnya is certainly true. Not everyone is an ultra-observant movie critic.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46572368513292939472013-04-23T10:51:55.600-07:002013-04-23T10:51:55.600-07:00However feeble, unfunny, and conventional this pie...However feeble, unfunny, and conventional this piece in the Onion disparaging Americans, it does make the point, inadvertent but correct, that stereotypes are based not on ignorance, but on knowledge.Jonathan Silbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55820644091484232482013-04-23T10:16:10.099-07:002013-04-23T10:16:10.099-07:00I don't see how being defensive and dismissive...<i>I don't see how being defensive and dismissive about our ignorance helps us in anyway. The David Sirotas and Ben Steins of the world depend on us not distinguishing between different groups of peoples.</i><br /><br />Just how informed is the average American supposed to be regarding the various ethnic conflicts of the world? If the next attack comes from Chinese Ouigours will our ignorance of them and their conflict with the Han be yet another opportunity to tsk?<br />How many ethnic conflicts exist in the world today? That's why the Onion bit falls flat--there's no reasonable expectation of Americans being up to speed on Chechnya. Give me a break! Here's the real Onion-esque headline:<br /><br />Satirical Magazine Finds no Stereotyping, Chides People for Ignorance<br /><br />Screw you, Onion.<br />Remember Sam Bacile? He shouldn't even have been here, yet here he was waging his own war against foes back home--and we drew fire. Why? Because Muslims were <i>ignorant</i> of the realities of American residence, thinking anything that comes from here comes with our sanction.<br /><br />Sorry, but "defensive" is not what I'm feeling. Remember how the narrate-o-matic works: the <i>tolerance</i> and calm with which Americans received this appalling attack by two Muslims who were welcomed into our country goes in, out comes the gruel of popular <i>ignorance</i>.<br />Yes, Sirota et al depend very much on our not being up to speed on every conflict that might make its way here. What's their answer? Open the gates to more.Dennis Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233729780363740881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13637107224513042562013-04-23T09:28:14.901-07:002013-04-23T09:28:14.901-07:00There's a Tom Hardy/James Gandolfini movie, An...There's a Tom Hardy/James Gandolfini movie, Animal Rescue, currently filming, where Chechen thugs figure prominently. I have a Croatian friend of classic Balkan looks and accent who has a bit part.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90767015423049244392013-04-23T09:26:16.109-07:002013-04-23T09:26:16.109-07:00Chechens were also the villains of "Executive...<i>Chechens were also the villains of "Executive Decision" in which Steven Seagal was killed off early</i><br /><br />Ever heard of a Spoiler Alert? Guess I'll be watching <i>Persona</i> or <i>Solaris</i> tonight instead. Thanks a lot. Matranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53522545688936002632013-04-23T09:19:06.595-07:002013-04-23T09:19:06.595-07:00The Onion may well be cowardly but I don't thi...The Onion may well be cowardly but I don't think this is a good example. I'd be surprised if 1 in 10 Americans knew <i>anything</i> about Chechens. If they did know anything about Chechens they would not be vulnerable to the leftist narrative-spinning that is going on. <br /><br /><i> It's not as if Hollywood doesn't employ Chechen stereotypes: There are vicious Chechen gangsters in The Dark Knight, Eastern Promises, and The Other Guys, all pretty good movies.</i><br /><br />And if you were to ask moviegoers an hour after seeing these films what nationality the gangsters were would they say Chechens, Czechs or Russians? Even if they did say Chechens would they know that they are Muslims? <br /><br /><i>A few retards manage to get on twitter and suddenly the Czech ambassador is issuing statements. I'm embarassed for the Czechs to be honest.</i><br /><br />Having listened to questions and comments made by Anglos (Brits mostly) on a walking tour of Prague (they thought Czechs were Islamic!) I can understand why the ambassador would want to get out ahead of this. <br /><br />Our ignorance of other societies and peoples makes it so much easier for our ruling class to get away with what they are doing. If Brits and French knew that countries without colonial empires like Norway and Sweden were also being invaded by immigrants they wouldn't so easily fall for the "it's our fault for having an empire" argument. If Americans could distinguish a Czech from a Chechen maybe they would also be aware that any politician telling them Mexicans today are just like Italians and Germans of last century is lying to their faces. I don't see how being defensive and dismissive about our ignorance helps us in anyway. The David Sirotas and Ben Steins of the world depend on us not distinguishing between different groups of peoples.Matranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71783609395536053552013-04-23T09:05:14.410-07:002013-04-23T09:05:14.410-07:00"The Onion Movie" had an execrable serie..."The Onion Movie" had an execrable series of jokes about "Little-known Ethnic Stereotypes". How the heck can a <i>stereotype</i> be "little known", if a stereotype is defined as: "<i>a standardized mental picture that is <b>held in common by members of a group</b> and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment</i>"? What they wanted to say was something like "Little-known ethnic <i>traits</i>", but that might imply that there is really such a thing as an average group difference on a particular measure.<br /><br />I know that Steve has said that lots of liberal comics use "meta-stereotyping" jokes as a way of getting away with using ethnic humor while pretending they are making fun of "you know, the <i>idea</i> of stereotypes". "The Onion Movie", unfortunately, did this with absolute sincerity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16157343708391948452013-04-23T09:00:09.321-07:002013-04-23T09:00:09.321-07:00The Onionused to lampoon everything, everyone. It ...<i>The Onion</i>used to lampoon everything, everyone. It now exists for the tee-heeing of SWPL types. No thanks. That kind of crap is everywhere and is so predictable as to be unfunny.<br /><br />"Edgy" humor doesn't exist anywhere, except for maybe South Park, although I haven't watched that in a long time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56920752271437344792013-04-23T08:53:38.338-07:002013-04-23T08:53:38.338-07:00Guy Ritchie's Rock n Rolla featured Chechen ga...Guy Ritchie's <i>Rock n Rolla</i> featured Chechen gangsters as well.Benjamin I. Espenhttp://www.benespen.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66498304222931358952013-04-23T08:42:04.409-07:002013-04-23T08:42:04.409-07:00The Wall Street Journal had an article yesterday s...The Wall Street Journal had an article yesterday saying that the bombers's mother was not an ethnic Chechen, but one of the local Dagstani ethnicities. It also said that she was the one who pushed the boys to be more Islamic, and that in fact the parents' marriage broke up at least in part because the father disapproved of the hyper-religious stuff. He wanted his son to concentrate on boxing.<br /><br />It all made the sons sound less less like Chechens being Chencheny, and more the classic story of people with blended identities not being able to find a balance between them all.Lauranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41074752427870297412013-04-23T08:40:56.147-07:002013-04-23T08:40:56.147-07:00Chechens were also the villains of "Executive...Chechens were also the villains of "Executive Decision" in which Steven Seagal was killed off early, leaving behind a crack macho commando team of... Oliver Platt, BD Wong and John Leguizamo (what, BlEmmanuel Lewis and Sean Hayes weren't available)???astoriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16128463113630536322013-04-23T07:52:32.574-07:002013-04-23T07:52:32.574-07:00A much funnier conceit would have been "Whole...A much funnier conceit would have been "Whole world shocked, SHOCKED to find out that <i>Chechens</i> committed a senseless act of mass murder."Space Ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73720179617261333132013-04-23T07:44:39.589-07:002013-04-23T07:44:39.589-07:00There were Russian, possibly Chechen, gangsters in...There were Russian, possibly Chechen, gangsters in "Limitless" (2011). The Albanians in "Taken" are a close approximation. Gangsters from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Republics are in vogue because they're white but menacing. Here's a <a href="http://laist.com/2013/02/27/the_best_films_featuring_russian_mo_1.php" rel="nofollow">list</a> of movies featuring Russian gangsters.<br /><br />There's a documentary called "Immortal Fortress: A Look Inside Chechnya's Warrior Culture" available at Amazon.<br /><br />From a review: "Russia's war in Chechnya is a puzzle to most westerners, an obscure but somehow notable conflict appearing periodically on the nightly news. This documentary, which features combat footage shot within Chechnya and interviews with Chechen fighters and civilians, does much to untangle this riddle. The first thing an outsider has to grasp is that any distinction between fighters and civilians is blurred, as the Chechens consider themselves warriors first, and farmers or oil-field workers second. This traditional warrior culture, with its roots grounded in centuries of conflict with Russian adversaries, is deeply entrenched. And it's intensified by the deep Islamic faith of the Chechens, which holds that falling while defending the homeland earns the warrior martyrdom. Much of the footage in this documentary is shot with handheld video gear in the field during actual combat operations, and what it might lack aesthetically is more than made up for with its immediacy and a distinctive atmospheric quality. The warriors profiled, including the Chechen hero Shamil Basayev, are unique characters, and hearing them speak and seeing evidence of some of their exploits provides invaluable insight into the conflict that has become a thorn in the side of modern Russia."<br /><br />This is from another review: "I was disappointed in the fact that they rarely discussed tactics, the only one I recall is about street fighting, and how the Chechens would find two Russian squads at both ends of a street and one of them would run through the middle and fire in both directions and the Russians would end up shooting at each other for 30 minutes...they only realized they were fighting their comrades when they called in for artillery fire."Harry Baldwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5992110732999566342013-04-23T06:59:00.887-07:002013-04-23T06:59:00.887-07:00" I hear the Czechs are pissed off now becaus..." I hear the Czechs are pissed off now because lots of Americans think that the bomber brothers came from the Czech Republic."<br /><br />Oh please. A few retards manage to get on twitter and suddenly the Czech ambassador is issuing statements. I'm embarassed for the Czechs to be honest.Peter the Sharknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62374403584955135232013-04-23T06:51:42.283-07:002013-04-23T06:51:42.283-07:00I hear the Czechs are pissed off now because lots ...I hear the Czechs are pissed off now because lots of Americans think that the bomber brothers came from the Czech Republic."<br /><br />I doubt that! Im not aware of any mass confusion between chechnyan and czech! I just think the Czechs are doing a little pre emptive PR.Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6146885451226252502013-04-23T06:50:13.281-07:002013-04-23T06:50:13.281-07:00Sad what happened to The Onion.
The Onion was st...Sad what happened to The Onion. <br /><br />The Onion was started by some middle class centre left guys from Wisconsion and it reflected those sensibilities.<br /><br />Now the Harvard Lampoon mafia have wrecked and polluted it as they have with the Simpsons(a capital offense IMO)<br /><br />re Dark Knight and Chechens<br /><br />ya I remember the Chinese guy and Russian gangsters- yes these "Russians" are often Chechen,Georgian and yes "Scots Irish" but it wasnt specified as such<br /><br />In Sum of All Fears(a meh movie at best) ,the poor Chechens were pawns of the ever reliable neo Nazis into their plan of establishing the 4th reich by nuking Baltimore or was it Philadelphia..too lazy to check<br />In the original Tom Clancy, it was Muslim terrorists but our tolerant Hollywood wouldnt have that!<br /><br />I think there were Chechens in the awful Air Force One movie as well.<br /><br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.com