tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5043155715774198814..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Diversity Before Diversity: Oklahoma's 1907 senatorsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8295347038250286982014-01-23T18:01:29.047-08:002014-01-23T18:01:29.047-08:00Anomalous Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in the Cherok...<i>Anomalous Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in the Cherokee<br /><br />http://dnaconsultants.com/_blog/DNA_Consultants_Blog/post/Anomalous_Mitochondrial_DNA_Lineages_in_the_Cherokee/</i><br /><br />That was essentially incomprehensible. The post cited several cases in which Jewish traders and others married Indian women and stated that these intermarriages explained certain haplotypes in the Cherokees. Then it said that there was no reason to think that these haplotypes were introduced into the Cherokee gene pool after 1492.<br /><br />Say what?ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48387338947138495352014-01-22T09:04:41.404-08:002014-01-22T09:04:41.404-08:00Twain was a tedious village atheist. I tend to th...Twain was a tedious village atheist. I tend to think he was not representative of Southern opinion. Southern whites may not have hated their chattels, but they hated the idea of allowing them any standing in society and they hated the humiliation the freedmen reminded them of on a mundane basis.Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68068940190622488682014-01-22T09:02:19.161-08:002014-01-22T09:02:19.161-08:00New York Governor Spitzer and then his Lt. Governo...<i>New York Governor Spitzer and then his Lt. Governor Paterson were removed by the State Police in a kind of palace coup</i><br /><br />Rubbish. I was fond of Gov. Patterson, but the vast majority of the state's electorate was not. He elected to leave public life because of his polls. As for Spitzer, it was federal officials who put the bee on him. The state police was notable for a deficit of resistance to his misuse of them. As for Cuomo, his place in the Governor's chair is testament to the power of networking, name recognition, intimidateion, and the dysfunctions of the opposition. Art Decohttp://wwrtc.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43678975353811239552014-01-21T12:24:49.790-08:002014-01-21T12:24:49.790-08:00The USA has many unwritten rules of race. Steve i...The USA has many unwritten rules of race. Steve is right. It's OK to have a bit of "Negro blood" as long as it's not mentioned. It doesn't matter if everyone knows about. In the case of Latinos and Arabs, buckets rather than drops of "black blood" are acceptable.<br /><br />Consider the case of the Confederate, slave-holding elite Gibson family:<br /><br />http://www.danieljsharfstein.com/the-book/<br /><br />http://cwmemory.com/2011/03/17/a-black-confederate-general-that-we-can-all-embrace/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68713439414036063302014-01-20T18:20:55.961-08:002014-01-20T18:20:55.961-08:00Anomalous Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in the Cherok...Anomalous Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in the Cherokee<br /><br />http://dnaconsultants.com/_blog/DNA_Consultants_Blog/post/Anomalous_Mitochondrial_DNA_Lineages_in_the_Cherokee/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32523051708383830412014-01-20T17:23:41.027-08:002014-01-20T17:23:41.027-08:00Cherokee are showing more Middle Eastern DNA than ...<i>Cherokee are showing more Middle Eastern DNA than Native American DNA</i><br /><br />Is this claim based on uniparental marker (Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA) or autosomal DNA studies? Having a haplogroup J Y-chromosome is not proof of recent Middle Eastern ancestry. That haplogroup has been in Europe since the Neolithic and is present in Scotland, Ireland and England at low but not insignificant frequencies. Admixture with English and Scots-Irish settlers could have introduced those lineages to the Cherokee. I am extremely skeptical of these claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70345495999119432092014-01-20T13:33:37.742-08:002014-01-20T13:33:37.742-08:00They both look like white guys to me.They both look like white guys to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50730384879330330652014-01-20T13:19:47.223-08:002014-01-20T13:19:47.223-08:00When Sam Houston lived among the Cherokees he lear...When Sam Houston lived among the Cherokees he learned the language of its chiefs: Gaelic.MattGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29056921175419020592014-01-20T11:37:40.854-08:002014-01-20T11:37:40.854-08:00Just FYI I think there were more blind people in t...Just FYI I think there were more blind people in the past because of all the untreated or incurable syphilis among the fathers. carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35270268175999548622014-01-20T10:48:47.789-08:002014-01-20T10:48:47.789-08:00Amerindians IMHO look an awful lot like plain old ...Amerindians IMHO look an awful lot like plain old European whites. The 'Noble Red Man' we have heard so much about isn't very red in modern America. Just as most 'Pale Faces' these days have healthy tans. Young Amerindian men who want to emphasize their tribal connections and not be taken for a hated white have to grow their hair real long. So the race gets defined by their hair cut. <br /><br />I suspect that Indians looked red mostly because they didn't use sun blocker. At least this seems to have been Hollywood's theory for a long time.<br /><br />As recently as the late sixties most Hollywood Indians in cowboy movies were white actors with just a darker shade of pancake. Rock Hudson and Jeff Chandler hardly even bothered with makeup. My favorite pseudo-Indian was Rod Steiger in 'Run of the Arrow'. He played a fake Indian so it was like a 'play within a play'. <br /><br />Woodie Strode was light enough to also play Indians. And of course Iron Eyes Cody was so Indian-like that even real Indians were taken in.<br /><br />When you factor in the Irving Berlin production number 'I'm an Indian Too' it's hard to find any unsympathetic depictions of an Amerindian for at least a century. Being an Indian as long as I can remember was a positive.<br /><br />So why do we have to give them all those casinos?<br /><br />AlbertosaurusPat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30639964403854352382014-01-20T04:53:28.487-08:002014-01-20T04:53:28.487-08:00Apparently DNA tests of the Eastern Cherokee is pr...<i>Apparently DNA tests of the Eastern Cherokee is producing surprising results. Cherokee are showing more Middle Eastern DNA than Native American DNA leading to speculation that the tribe was originally formed from the crews of shipwrecked Spanish vessels (largely composed of middle easterners) who moved to the southern highlands to escape the lowland tribes and eventually adopted the tribal lifestyle (along with Indian wives). An alternative theory holds that they are similarly disposed escapees from Spanish territories. In other words, there may be a hidden history to the Cherokee. </i><br /><br />Dovetails nicely with those Melungeon/Brassankle/Lumbee geneology theories.alexishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958611059030729965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27642171412868198202014-01-20T04:51:56.125-08:002014-01-20T04:51:56.125-08:00Apparently DNA tests of the Eastern Cherokee is pr...<i>Apparently DNA tests of the Eastern Cherokee is producing surprising results. Cherokee are showing more Middle Eastern DNA than Native American DNA leading to speculation that the tribe was originally formed from the crews of shipwrecked Spanish vessels (largely composed of middle easterners) who moved to the southern highlands to escape the lowland tribes and eventually adopted the tribal lifestyle (along with Indian wives). An alternative theory holds that they are similarly disposed escapees from Spanish territories. In other words, there may be a hidden history to the Cherokee. </i><br /><br />Dovetails nicely with those Melungeon/Brassankle/Lumbee geneology theories.alexishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958611059030729965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57663218593522169442014-01-20T03:00:48.428-08:002014-01-20T03:00:48.428-08:00New York Governor Spitzer and then his Lt. Governo...New York Governor Spitzer and then his Lt. Governor Paterson were removed by the State Police in a kind of palace coup. Neither were accused of misappropriating state monies. They were replaced by Andrew Cuomo son of a former governor that the bureaucracy really liked. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83235802139859654302014-01-20T00:19:15.578-08:002014-01-20T00:19:15.578-08:00Injun Joe was a half-breed as was Blue Duck in Lon...Injun Joe was a half-breed as was Blue Duck in Lonesome Dove. Half-breed villains seem to be a common trope in Westerns. <br /><br />Were half-breeds perceived as worse than full Indians or is this Hollywood's attempt to dampen potential racial animosity.<br /><br />And if it's the former, it begs the question of whether that is a manifestation of HBD or just a result of them having closer proximity (physically and culturally) to white civilization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27163740794896293622014-01-19T23:29:23.704-08:002014-01-19T23:29:23.704-08:00Apparently DNA tests of the Eastern Cherokee is pr...Apparently DNA tests of the Eastern Cherokee is producing surprising results. Cherokee are showing more Middle Eastern DNA than Native American DNA leading to speculation that the tribe was originally formed from the crews of shipwrecked Spanish vessels (largely composed of middle easterners) who moved to the southern highlands to escape the lowland tribes and eventually adopted the tribal lifestyle (along with Indian wives). An alternative theory holds that they are similarly disposed escapees from Spanish territories. In other words, there may be a hidden history to the Cherokee. http://www.peopleofonefire.com/did_cherokee_religion_originate_middle_east.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86946277299753338552014-01-19T21:17:59.740-08:002014-01-19T21:17:59.740-08:00For what it's worth, Gore Vidal and Al Gore ap...For what it's worth, Gore Vidal and Al Gore appear to be sixth cousins thrice removed, through John Gore of Roxbury, Mass. That Gore family, like Obama's Dunhams, headed south rather quickly. Makes you wonder…<br /><br />And yes, Vidal is in the same generation as the VP's great-grandfather. Some branches breed faster than others. (Vidal's stopped breeding altogether!)Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69881209379454031572014-01-19T21:17:41.566-08:002014-01-19T21:17:41.566-08:00Via WIKIPEDIA, data on Owen's Cherokee backgro...Via WIKIPEDIA, data on Owen's Cherokee background:"Owen was Cherokee through his mother, though there are conflicting indications of the extent of his Cherokee ancestry. Owen's listing on the Dawes Rolls, dating from around 1900, records him as 1/16th Cherokee by blood.[8] Yet his mother, Narcissa Owen, according to her own account in her memoirs (1907), would herself appear to have been only 1/16th Cherokee, which if correct would imply that her son was 1/32nd Cherokee.[9] Beyond this, the editor of Narcissa's memoirs has raised the possibility that Narcissa might unwittingly have missed out "one generation or possibly two" in her account of her family tree; adjusting for this possibility might further dilute her Cherokee blood.[10] However this may be, Narcissa had grown up largely among the Cherokees, and she was capable of making skillful use of her Cherokee heritage, colorfully describing her father, Thomas Chisholm (a leader of the "Old Settlers" who moved west before the Trail of Tears), as "the last hereditary war chief of the Western Cherokees."[11] "<br /><br />Like the reference to his mother making "skillful use" of their Cherokee background. Even back then, it seems that Amerind blood, however attenuated, was useful for those seeking to elevate themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81427333311937219622014-01-19T20:09:07.858-08:002014-01-19T20:09:07.858-08:00Based on that photo Owen could easily have been as...<i>Based on that photo Owen could easily have been as much as half Cherokee.</i><br /><br />You like his hair, Peter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66530940798106582312014-01-19T19:25:26.257-08:002014-01-19T19:25:26.257-08:00Based on that photo Owen could easily have been as...Based on that photo Owen could easily have been as much as half Cherokee.<br /><br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62443259346243363652014-01-19T19:09:49.222-08:002014-01-19T19:09:49.222-08:00Typo: "Cherokee roles"
Judging from th...Typo: "Cherokee roles" <br /><br />Judging from the picture, Robert L. Owen is quite plausibly 1/16th Cherokee. Unlike that other Cherokee senator, Warren, who is practically certain not 1/32 Cherokee. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com