tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5097852114350130448..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Black women jocks notice Title IX is white plotUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82860651256684480012012-07-15T22:07:24.969-07:002012-07-15T22:07:24.969-07:00There is complain about blacks being underepresent...There is complain about blacks being underepresentive but the Lations what ever race out number them in Swimming and so forth in Texas and California the majority hispanics are very underrepresentive but the media focus on Blacks who are never the majority kid population in any state its because blacks are so good at track and field while only one hispanic made the US Olympic team in Track..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9703751531694992572012-06-16T18:49:54.596-07:002012-06-16T18:49:54.596-07:00scooby,
YOU miss the point. In sports for adults,...scooby,<br /><br />YOU miss the point. In sports for adults, the name of the game is to win. If winning's not the main thing, we wouldn't ever keep score.<br /><br /><br />No, 1st grade Xmas play & college play aren't the same thing. Only a fool can't tell the difference between adulthood and something he can't remember 18+ yrs ago. <br /><br />If you're paying attention all during those yrs, then by age 18 or so, you've learned the key lessons by that time regarding sportsmanship, which is a quaint naive and somewhat outdated and outmoded concept for 21st cent. realities of life.<br /><br />In pro sports, the main idea, is to win. Or else make the most money. Only a fool plays for free or lets himself get exploited by management/ownership.<br /><br />You sound a bit like an Obama supporter, to be quite honest. Where winning never ever ever comes into play. And even he believes in personal winning.<br /><br />"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser."--Vince LombardiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13263804055748372192012-06-16T16:25:06.175-07:002012-06-16T16:25:06.175-07:00"'Winning' is when you play by the ru..."'Winning' is when you play by the rules of the game and outscore your opponents. Glad I could help."<br /><br />For your next assignment, give us a glib definition of "missing the point."<br /><br />"If kids who have been playing sports all their lives still need to learn sportsmanship at college at the age of 18+, we've got a problem. What the heck was all that peewee soccer for?"<br /><br />Yeah, and let's say in my first grade Christmas pageant, I got to play a camel; in college I played Falstaff. The two learning experiences were of equal importance.<br /><br />You're an idiot -- and a smug one, too... the funniest kind.scoobius dubiousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58794231697475662962012-06-16T09:25:25.680-07:002012-06-16T09:25:25.680-07:00"Many sports are poorly conceived for televis...<i>"Many sports are poorly conceived for television. Olympic Greco-Roman wrestling is a good example, two guys locked together in immobility. "</i><br /><br />Yes, the exception is the wrestling scene in the original <i>Night and the City</i>, one of the most exciting scenes I've ever watched. The tension is almost unbearable. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bmhuNRzPKQ" rel="nofollow">Wrestling scene</a><br /><br />Then again, I consider Dassin, not Hitchcock, the true master of suspense.<br /><br />(Yes, I know, another commenter citing a movie to bolster an argument about real life.)Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74431907373764308232012-06-16T08:19:52.637-07:002012-06-16T08:19:52.637-07:00Here are the women olympic swimmers from Orange Co...Here are the women olympic swimmers from Orange County, Shirley Bashashoff, Janet Evans, Amanda Beard, Katlyn Sandeno, Kristen Calvery. Male swimmers Gary Hall Sr, Steve Firness, Bruce Firness, Brain Goldell, John Mykakken, Steve Gregg, Justin Lezak, and Aaron Perisol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17119442495256505892012-06-15T23:30:56.881-07:002012-06-15T23:30:56.881-07:00Well, those sports swimming and water polo give th...Well, those sports swimming and water polo give the white girls of OC and a lot of the top high school girls in Orange County are white a chance. There are a few black sisters even in the OC that play basketball and run track and I see a few black girls there swim or played water polo since they plan on doing those sports in college. Republican Orange County noticed for the white sports of swimming and water poloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51912344948403095332012-06-15T18:10:24.928-07:002012-06-15T18:10:24.928-07:00scoobius dubious,
One of the big differences is ...scoobius dubious, <br /><br />One of the big differences is that since there is pro prospects for women that women do not mind stacked teams. That is why the number one seeds almost always win in women's basketball or the same schools are consistent winners in the other sports. <br /><br />No second tier school like George Mason, Butler, Gonzaga, Houston, Fresno St, VCU, or Temple. College womens sports is the domain the the upper middle class suburban women. Who else puts their kids into field hockey camp or soccer camp since they were six. <br /><br />What college sports teaches women is that there will be a few stacked teams that win everything and all of the rest of the teams will be bad not matter how much they pracetice or try.guest007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79914511492087212712012-06-15T17:40:22.092-07:002012-06-15T17:40:22.092-07:00By focusing (as in men's basketball and footba...<em>By focusing (as in men's basketball and football) on a kind of hypertrophied excellence in "winning" (whatever that is)</em><br /><br />"Winning" is when you play by the rules of the game and outscore your opponents. Glad I could help.<br /><br />If kids who have been playing sports all their lives still need to learn <em>sportsmanship</em> at college at the age of 18+, we've got a problem. What the heck was all that peewee soccer for?<br /><br />To everyone who pointed out that blacks don't try out for lacrosse and water polo, that's true, but it misses the point. These people aren't claiming that the coaches of those sports are excluding blacks. No, it's much more sinister than that! They're claiming that the people running the sports programs are so crypto-raciss that they've intentionally used Title IX to focus on sports that only whites like and grow up playing. It's essentially the "you biased the test by using the word 'regatta'" accusation. <br /><br />Which raises the question: if the people in charge weren't so raciss, what sports could they offer that young black women <em>would</em> have some experience and interest in, beyond the ones they already dominate such as basketball? Are they playing sports at predominantly black high schools that the universities don't offer? See also Hispanics: what sports dear to Hispanic girls are the universities refusing to offer?Aaron B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15629153841120627618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6459404931446173552012-06-15T16:41:55.415-07:002012-06-15T16:41:55.415-07:00It's hop[eless anyway. I just read "Study...It's hop[eless anyway. I just read <a href="http://styleblazer.com/57180/say-it-aint-so-study-shows-black-girls-do-not-reap-as-many-benefits-from-exercise-as-other-race-women/?Source=Taboola" rel="nofollow">"Study Shows Black Girls Do NOT Reap As Many Benefits From Exercise As Other Races"</a>. This corresponds to my research watching high school girls leave the building as I wait to pick up my daughter.Harry Baldwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12516084537226479042012-06-15T16:08:38.508-07:002012-06-15T16:08:38.508-07:00Its been said before, but it needs to be said agai...Its been said before, but it needs to be said again:<br /><br />If the girls' sport is not done in a swimsuit or skirt, it is not worth watching.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023125641719686613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5069669496884251582012-06-15T15:55:47.540-07:002012-06-15T15:55:47.540-07:00Camlost:
In criticizing a comment (Anonyia) about...Camlost:<br /><br />In criticizing a comment (Anonyia) about wrestling being for "proles," you are correct. But scholastic (and other amateur) wrestling is not, per se, "Greco-Roman."<br /><br />Greco-Roman is a type of "limited" wrestling--in that opponents aren't permitted holds of their opponent's body below the waist nor permitted to<br />use theirs except as support. It's of a piece with arm wrestling, sumo, Indian wrestling, etc. but, of course, it's an inclusion in the Olympics. The more common style is generally called "freestyle," though it used to be called "catch-as-catch-can."<br /><br />Nearly the entire repertoire of modern "catch-as-catch-can" wrestlers is said to appear, in one place or another, in ancient Egyptian decorations. And there are two black African tribes (the Big Nuba and the Little Nuba) who place great social emphasis on wrestling (and whose wrestling resembles very closely the American collegiate style). As far as I am aware, only one basic wrestling hold has been invented since ancient times: the "tackle," said to have been invented right here in the U.S. by a (frustrated) football player.<br /><br />I wouldn't say that one has to be "brainy" to be a wrestler but the sport seems to have a great appeal to higher-IQ types (though not to "nerd" types).Gene Bermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40902240265299911242012-06-15T15:36:18.361-07:002012-06-15T15:36:18.361-07:00Many sports are poorly conceived for television. O...Many sports are poorly conceived for television. Olympic Greco-Roman wrestling is a good example, two guys locked together in immobility. Boxing works because you can see the hands and the full torso. Football covers the head and baseball uniforms cover the torso. Baseball player wear these baggy outfits and hardly look like athletes at all.<br /><br />Basketball works because you can see the athletes. Of course that's not true of Women's Basketball. Women simply aren't athletic. Don't blame me. If you're religious - blame God.<br /><br />Women's athletics is the moral equivalent of a "Bridge to Nowhere". A pointless waste of taxpayer's money.<br /><br />The only sport(?) I know that has a level playing field is Ninja Warrior. There have been about three thousand entrants in this four stage obstacle course maybe a quarter of whom have been female. The women tend to be dancers, and gymnasts. In general they are more fit than the men who include lots of middle age male office workers and comedians.<br /><br />Only one woman has ever completed even the first stage. There is essentially no cross over in the two distributions. There are two separate populations - the athletes and the women.<br /><br />It's time for reform. Drop all subsidies for female sports and cancel the equal resources mandates.<br /><br />AlbertosaurusPat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50048927975611649272012-06-15T14:44:07.001-07:002012-06-15T14:44:07.001-07:00"You're not very bright if you don't ..."You're not very bright if you don't know the difference between competitive Greco-Roman wrestling and the type of wrasslin' entertainment that is watched by proles."<br /><br />I'm aware there is a difference but the point stands. Admittedly WWE stuff is much worse. <br />The only high schools in my state (cause to my knowledge it hasn't existed on a college level around here for decades) which offered wrestling as a sport were usually in very prole areas. Not many people ever showed up for the matches either. Even small sports like track seemed to get much more spectators. Most people just don't find it that entertaining, I guess. There are a lot of problems with IX but I don't think it is responsible for the decline of men's wrestling.Anonyianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87391700385686211702012-06-15T13:04:38.645-07:002012-06-15T13:04:38.645-07:00"Then the black and white tiddlywinks girls h..."Then the black and white tiddlywinks girls have a catfight over the spoils."<br /><br />Where do you see a catfight? Here is what a read:<br /><br />Some girls' daddies took them to the beach volleyball net or a soccer field and taught them how to play a game, probably to spend time with them, to keep them fit and trim and to increase their prospects in certain colleges. And, now, black girls who often don't even have daddies, let alone the kind who worry about or spend time with them, are jealous of the whole experience and outcome. I feel for them. I can't imagine what it would be like to miss out on having a father, except that it would be very sad.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86346486996039808012012-06-15T12:35:08.073-07:002012-06-15T12:35:08.073-07:00where African-American women are underrepresented ...where African-American women are underrepresented in all but two sports: Division I basketball, where black women represent 50.6 percent of athletes, and indoor and outdoor track and field, where they represent 28.2 and 27.5 percent. They are all but missing in lacrosse (2.2 percent), swimming (2.0), soccer (5.3) and softball (8.2). <br /><br />So over-representation in 3 sports (4x in basketball, 2x in indoor and outdoor track) is insufficient to overcome underrepresentaion (1/3 participation)in 4 sports. The black women basketball and track athletes will be very unhappy when their slots are cut back to accomodate the obvious solution of proportional racial set asides.<br /><br />BTW, how many black males participate in college lacrosse, swimming, soccer, and baseball? (The legacy of the great Jim Brown in lacrosse in the 1950s had no effect whatsoever.)Forbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08397667344368400622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-130460424777064892012-06-15T12:07:09.987-07:002012-06-15T12:07:09.987-07:00But I have heard [VERY ANECDOTALLY] that chicks wh...<i><br /><br />But I have heard [VERY ANECDOTALLY] that chicks who participate in some of the more extreme sports [from a cardiovascular point of view - especially swimming and track] can have a great deal of difficulty conceiving later in life.<br /></i><br /><br />All women decline in fertility as they get older. What does "later in life" mean?Lucillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79562288398196945522012-06-15T11:58:50.106-07:002012-06-15T11:58:50.106-07:00Someone needs to do something about the puzzling u...Someone needs to do something about the puzzling underrepresentation of black women in the sport of competitive eating.C. Van Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09918883799053031223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47168856233486313982012-06-15T08:58:03.566-07:002012-06-15T08:58:03.566-07:00Sorry, but even in highly conservative regions I&#...<i>Sorry, but even in highly conservative regions I'm willing to bet there are more fans of the women's "tiddlywinks" sports of softball, gymnastics, volleyball and soccer than there are of men's wrestling or tennis. Especially men's wrestling. Who other than proles watches wrestling?</i><br /><br />You're not very bright if you don't know the difference between competitive Greco-Roman wrestling and the type of wrasslin' entertainment that is watched by proles.Camlostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11523296449888938532012-06-15T08:12:57.470-07:002012-06-15T08:12:57.470-07:00They are talking about racial representation in sp...They are talking about racial representation in sports. If we are going to ask why they are under-represented in Water Polo, shouldn't we ask why they are over-represented in basketball?<br /><br />Curious as to how they would respond to that.Shakesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74567826823317530652012-06-15T08:02:17.600-07:002012-06-15T08:02:17.600-07:00"Since there is no real pro prospects for mos..."Since there is no real pro prospects for most women athletes"<br /><br />Good grief. Imagine that I am saying this in all-caps: The purpose of college sports is NOT as an incubator for a professional career. The purpose of college sports is EDUCATIONAL, as is befitting an ostensible institution of learning, that is to say, ahem, a "college."<br /><br />Not all learning experiences are scholarly in nature. College sports teach the participants teamwork, leadership, endurance, strategy, the benefits of training, grace in victory and dignity in defeat: in a word, SPORTSMANSHIP. These skills are very useful to people in all walks of life who aren't going to go on to do Ph.D's in molecular biology.<br /><br />By focusing (as in men's basketball and football) on a kind of hypertrophied excellence in "winning" (whatever that is) at the expense of the overall educational experience, countless students are deprived of these learning opportunities by the presence on-campus of "ringers" who don't belong in a college to begin with. The problem is less egregious in women's sports, but consider the idea of athletic scholarships for foreigners who have no business being here otherwise: who benefits? The school brings home some funny-looking trophy, but its native-born students don't get the chance to acquire types of knowledge and experience which they came there to LEARN.<br /><br />Imagine of college drama clubs had the same level of competitiveness, and the same amount of money in play. Then imagine a deep-pockets university simply enrolling the entire staff of the Royal Shakespeare Company as alleged "students" in order to win some imaginary drama playoffs.<br /><br />Looks pretty stupid, dunnit. Now, reason back again to reality.scoobius dubiousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46846328533780981612012-06-15T07:29:24.140-07:002012-06-15T07:29:24.140-07:00I love how these things always contain a tacit acc...I love how these things always contain a tacit accusation that somehow Tanesha is being denied access by universities because she black. Yeah, universities, those famous Right wing hot-beds of whites-only exclusion.<br /><br />If Tanesha showed up with excellent lacrosse or swimming skills and even a reasonably decent high school average, the admissions people would instantly shit themselves with glee and Tanesha would get every penny they could find. They would bump Susie Whitebread in a second to make room. But sadly, oh so sadly, lacrosse playing Tanesha doesn't show up much. <br /><br />I think it would be hilarious to go to Hood High and ask the black and brown girls if they ever even heard of lacrosse or field hockey. I bet you'd get 90%+ that had no idea.peterikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78670342351475131202012-06-15T06:36:01.132-07:002012-06-15T06:36:01.132-07:00Especially men's wrestling. Who other than pro...<i>Especially men's wrestling. Who other than proles watches wrestling?</i><br /><br />That's a problem. We need more white men with college wrestling experience roaming the streets of Philly and the Chicago Gold Coast.fnnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44839869440443152882012-06-15T05:52:07.877-07:002012-06-15T05:52:07.877-07:00If someone can show some evidence that black girls...If someone can show some evidence that black girls actually WANT to play these sports then it might be worth discussing. There are very few blacks (male of female) involved in 4H programs. Is that because they are excluded or because they just don't care about it? From what I've seen from teaching in a high school with a fairly large black population is that black girls don't participate in sports other than track or basketball because a) they don't participate in sports they don't perceive as being "black" and there are several other black girls on the team b) they don't participate if they don't think they can dominate c) their sex life takes precedence over most everything else or d) they are lazy as hellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11384964837728731842012-06-15T03:50:15.764-07:002012-06-15T03:50:15.764-07:00Who other than proles watches wrestling?
NCAA wre...<i>Who other than proles watches wrestling?</i><br /><br />NCAA wrestling and WWE wrestling are two different things.Lucillenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84120325517063579162012-06-15T02:21:46.282-07:002012-06-15T02:21:46.282-07:00All one has to do is look at the top 20 tanks for ...All one has to do is look at the top 20 tanks for women's college soccer, lacrosse, field hockey, softball, or basketball teams. <br /><br />Most of the schools are in the US News top 100 schools. Just look at Northwestern winning women's. Look at the final four in women's soccer including Wake Forest, Duke, and Stanford. <br /><br />Since there is no real pro prospects for most women athletes, the women athletes focus on using college sports to get into better universities. <br /><br />You go do find a women's version of George Mason, VCU, Butler, or STonybrook in most sports.guest007noreply@blogger.com