tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5155448531781912655..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "Better Colleges Failing to Lure Poorer Strivers"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37314473136637283082014-03-21T03:33:00.052-07:002014-03-21T03:33:00.052-07:00order tramadol buy tramadol online in usa - tramad...<a href="http://sleepsf.com/wp-content/js/#i1c5" rel="nofollow">order tramadol</a> buy tramadol online in usa - tramadol cod online pharmacyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68735176489914736432013-03-19T16:52:59.067-07:002013-03-19T16:52:59.067-07:00I think these people are coming from lower-middle ...<i>I think these people are coming from lower-middle to middle class families with little exposure to the bigger world.</i><br /><br />Not so much "the bigger world", but the "upper class world". It makes a difference. Accents, speech patterns, clothes, cars, hairstyles - it all makes a difference. Even hackneyed stuff like secret handshakes and code words. The handshakes don't even have to be from secret societies, merely class-specific ones. There is a way that the upper class and upper-middle class do things, and it's not taught in schools, or on the Internet. Trying too hard to copy it marks you as a striver, and that is not always a good thing. It is often better to wear jeans than a cheap suit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70169263553667956122013-03-18T18:26:41.954-07:002013-03-18T18:26:41.954-07:00Rural kids (who tend to be white) tend to be acade...Rural kids (who tend to be white) tend to be academically disadavantaged in a number of ways. Here's a few:<br /><br />1. they lack access to large city libraries, museums, archives, tutors etc.<br /><br />2. they are often more tired at school and after school because they spend so more time getting to and from school, due to long commutes<br /><br />3. in small rural schools they often have under-qualified teachers who have to teach multiple subjects.<br /><br />- the internet is helping reduce this disadvantage, but even in this regard, rural people tend to have poorer internet connections, or have to use expensive, inferior wireless internet services.<br /><br />-the only real occupational advantage that rurual kids have is more opportunites to learn various practical skills like driving heavy machinery and working with animals.commonwealth contrarianhttp://comcontrarian.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32222908036633982502013-03-18T15:52:47.371-07:002013-03-18T15:52:47.371-07:00I'm originally from a small town in [red state...I'm originally from a small town in [red state] and I went to one of these "elite" schools. I was astonished at how few working-class white people there were at my school. VERY few. In my four years <br />there, I met probably twenty or thirty. (Each class year at this school was ~1,000 students.)<br />And, of course, despite receiving a piss-poor high school education, I only had a fraction of the tutoring opportunities available to me that "minority" (the undergraduate population was less than half white) students did. I suspect working-class whites aren't recruited because there's simply no space for them in a racial quota system where there are so many other affluent whites who need their spots.<br /><br />Actually, there's no reason to spare them the bad press: I went to MIT and have graduated within the past 5 years.<br /><br />I got an awesome education from an unapologetically racist institution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26187108027130628762013-03-18T11:15:19.733-07:002013-03-18T11:15:19.733-07:00It would be harder to put the whole rotting edific...It would be harder to put the whole rotting edifice to fire and sword if it was more meritocratic.<br /><br /><i>Other options for my peers turned out to be the military and the local police & fire departments. My best friend from childhood did 22 years in the Navy, rose to Master Chief Petty Officer, retired at 42 w/ a military pension, then got hired as a civilian with the Coast Guard and now makes $90K.<br /><br />A few other good friends have done 25 years in local police & fire departments and are now enjoying $50K+ government pensions in their late 40s.</i><br /><br />Great, let's all work for the gov't and let the taxpayers figure out the bill.<br /><br /><i>Our people have a disturbing lack of aptitude for playing politics and defending their interests in a multi-cultural society.</i><br /><br />Nothing a population bottleneck won't fix. "Now all restaurants are Taco Bell, and all whites are racist."Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53804735462515477432013-03-18T08:42:14.257-07:002013-03-18T08:42:14.257-07:00If an institution wants to reduce the racial abili...If an institution wants to reduce the racial ability gaps they can find better non-Whites. Lots of places tried that. There just aren't enough smartish ones to go around.<br /><br />Another, rarely mentioned, way to reduce the gap is to take less-able whites. I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of that. Someone who thought that might be on an admissions committee somewhere.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77478345011810399182013-03-18T03:04:01.137-07:002013-03-18T03:04:01.137-07:00In a lot of Red States, conservative white kids en...In a lot of Red States, conservative white kids end up in non-elite universities. For example, in Texas, the UT schools draw in lots of Asians, Indians, and SWPL whites. Meanwhile, lots of conservative white kids to Texas A&M........ It's the same pattern throughout the South. A lot of white conservatives (rich and poor) choose non-prestigious schools like Ole Miss or Auburn. <br /><br />When the whole Duke Lacrosse situation errupted, I was surprised by how many of the lacrosse players came from up in the northeast. <br /><br />Outside of the northeast, Chicago, and maybe California, the concept of going to an elite university is foreign to whites. In contrast, Jews, Asians, and Indians are definitely all pushing their kids to get in. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30953318139151054232013-03-17T21:31:23.717-07:002013-03-17T21:31:23.717-07:00"The correct response to this situation is to...<i>"The correct response to this situation is to rectify the problem. Aware European Americans need to take back full control of all important institutions in our country or we're done."</i><br /><br />It might be easier to do this than we think. (One reason so many are terrified of even having it brought to mind.) Think about the current ultra-PC environment as similar to Prohibition.<br /><br />Much about how we got into the silly world of today resembles how Prohibition came about. A good bit of the same nice white lady (sometimes of both sexes) willing to tell-us-all-how-to-act enforced-into-law stuff (but really callow and foolish). Sort of the religious impulse gone bonkers, often mixed with opportunistic politics and abetted by people who acted as if they had a lot of hate in their heart for us, if they were to be truthful..<br /><br />Perhaps we can study the politics of the repeal of Prohibition and apply it to repealing much of the legal structure and government funding behind AA, the higher-education PC/aggrievement industry, and probably things like the EEOC that enforce brain-dead AA corporate behavior. In the end Prohibition seems to have gone out with a whimper, I've never heard much about how it was repealed. In a future in which the US is no longer the "colossus astride the world" perhaps institutional White-animus in government and other public institutions can be reversed.<br /><br />Probably a long road to there and back, but there it is.<br /><br /><i>"No more good must be attempted than the people can bear."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32573288689448244332013-03-17T21:28:58.527-07:002013-03-17T21:28:58.527-07:00"The smart white kids not applying to Harvard..."The smart white kids not applying to Harvard--or to Bowdoin--know that the financial aid dollars are for other applicants, and that applying is a waste of time and money."<br /><br />Hey,I just said as much: http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/why-most-of-the-low-income-strivers-are-white/<br /><br />Although I don't even think it's about financial aid, but whether or not the school thinks you or your parents will be good for more money later.Education Realisthttp://educationrealist.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32696300652700555492013-03-17T19:47:58.568-07:002013-03-17T19:47:58.568-07:00As I've posted here before, my Caucasian daugh...As I've posted here before, my Caucasian daughter, valedictorian of a good rural private school with a 2380 SAT and excellent supporting credentials, was waitlisted, not accepted, by Bowdoin. She might've had the highest SAT in the school had she simply been accepted, but we had a six-figure income/personal wealth combination low enough that she would've received about $10,000 a year in financial aid. Waitlisting her gave them the chance to accept her, if she persisted, without the offer of full financial aid to any accepted student. <br /><br />Let's not kid ourselves. Ivies and near-Ivies aren't recruiting on the basis of academics. The smart white kids not applying to Harvard--or to Bowdoin--know that the financial aid dollars are for other applicants, and that applying is a waste of time and money.JHBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89468079668509603312013-03-17T19:41:09.320-07:002013-03-17T19:41:09.320-07:00"Gee, Steve if you are a good student you don..."Gee, Steve if you are a good student you don't have to go to the elite schools, in fact the regular Cal-State system might be better than the UC System since you have a regular teacher instead of a teaching asst."<br /><br />You're completely missing the point. In America today, one cannot rise to the top in politics, media, law or finance without having graduated from an elite college. The fact that so few poor whites are in these elite schools means that the future elite will have zero representation from poor, working class, rural and culturally conservative whites. It means the future elite will have very heavy representation of Jews, Asians and SWPL types. That's bad for American and bad for white people, even SWPLs. <br /><br />"Would a culturally conservative, working-class white boy from Waco want to go to Harvard? He would be treated like a space alien at best, a Nazi at worst. If he got a Wall Street job he would spend the rest of his life in that environment. UTA and A&M have much hotter girls and much better parties...<br /><br />...The wealthy and merely affluent live far better in Texas than in the northeast..."<br /><br />Nonsense. It's not only about what's in the individuals interests, which you're wrong about anyway, it's about the GROUP. The whole problem with white people is that they all pursue self interest without regard for larger consequences. The big picture matters. The long term matters. Parties, watching football games and being polite are not the most important things. They don't matter at all. Power matters and when your group loses power, it will eventually lose everything. <br /><br />"poor smart whites have a carve-out already for them: the military.<br /><br />...If you are a smart guy, what's the *funnest* route to 100k in 4 years? Studying calculus at all hours of the night or blowing sh*t up and being lionized for doing so?<br /><br />....And bless them for their choice. I'd MUCH rather have them on a boomer than in Bowdoin."<br /><br />More foolishness. The people on the boomers take orders from the people at Bowdoin. It maters who the master is. <br /><br /><br />All these comments illustrate a tendency that conservative whites have to play "sour grapes" in reverse and claim that the scraps their people can find on the floor are better than sitting at the head of the table. This kind of thinking leads to acquiescence and complacency.<br /><br />Our people have a disturbing lack of aptitude for playing politics and defending their interests in a multi-cultural society. There is a dodo bird-like blindness to threats and an ostrich-like tendency to retreat into minor side issues, cynicism or hyper individualism. It's scary to read these clueless comments on a blog that is largely dedicated to exposing European Americans to more canny ways of looking at the world than they are used to. A large portion of Steve's writing is about how terribly important networking is and how some groups use it to great advantage. Yet many posters here are pooh-poohing the concept or saying they would rather take their toys and go home. <br /><br />The correct response to this situation is to rectify the problem. Aware European Americans need to take back full control of all important institutions in our country or we're done. It's up to us to figure out how to accomplish this and then do it. Some other groups have a way of thinking big and then executing, even if it takes centuries. They keep working, stay focused on the long term goal and don't get discouraged by setbacks. We need to be more like that.ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24418961353452335112013-03-17T19:20:54.994-07:002013-03-17T19:20:54.994-07:00I actually don't think attempting to recruit w...I actually don't think attempting to recruit whites will change anything. I think smart whites today <i>actually are not interested in putting in the level of mindless drudgery needed to compete for a slot in the top colleges</i><br /><br />In other words, this situation is by design, not oversight. Smart whites today simply are not ambitious or motivated. Trying to recruit them won't help.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13335636106022364462013-03-17T18:53:47.899-07:002013-03-17T18:53:47.899-07:00The modern US system of higher-education, ever inc...The modern US system of higher-education, ever increasing faster in cost than just about everything else and with huge endowments, is becoming our version of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_Mortmain" rel="nofollow">the medieval "Dead Hand" problem</a>. The Dead Hand of the Church (or Monasteries) referred to the inevitability of the institution slowly and legally gathering ever-more wealth to itself. Over the years as people died and willed lands and wealth to it, etc., the wealth owned by the Dead Hand (the hand that never died) accumulated. Of course, with wealth goes power. <br /><br />We don't have much organized religion anymore, but we sure have a Dead Hand problem. (Well, actually those commencement robes <i>are</i> old church robes, so maybe we still have organized religion without any of the religion, which probably just gets in the way of The Organization.) It's not clear these organization are really about education or learning, so computer education might have surprisingly little impact. They are also well positioned to play that game. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes_of_Mortmain" rel="nofollow">"The term "mortmain" - literally the "dead hand" - indicated that a person who had died years earlier still dictated land use to the next generations by leaving it to the Church, which never died, and hence never had to relinquish land."</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8005981302470111642013-03-17T16:56:32.392-07:002013-03-17T16:56:32.392-07:00Anon from Germany As a freelancer/consultant I gue...Anon from Germany <i>As a freelancer/consultant I guess? I cannot imagine any manager rewarding a corporate programming drone with 1000k unless you program trading algorithms for Wall Street companies.</i><br /><br />He did say six figures, so that would be 100K, not 1000K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41576778986882203362013-03-17T16:18:02.131-07:002013-03-17T16:18:02.131-07:00I say assemble a massive 'undocumented student...I say assemble a massive 'undocumented student' community at Harvard with tents and all, just like Occupy Wall Street. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49258643657872167622013-03-17T14:30:50.945-07:002013-03-17T14:30:50.945-07:00Steve -- MOOCs, the Massive Online Open Courses, a...Steve -- MOOCs, the Massive Online Open Courses, are going to hammer Cal State and Southeastern Louisiana, perhaps even LSU and Tulane.<br /><br />The FT has been all over this story, both Pearson (their parent company) and News Corp have invested heavily in commercial forms. Places like Stanford, MIT, etc. can offer distance degrees in say, accounting, that offer the same vetting as their in-person students, at much lower costs, and for modest fees have say, maybe an extra 1-2 billion in revenue every year, from global students.<br /><br />Hmmm ... a degree online from Stanford, in accounting, at half the cost of say, Cal State, in perhaps a year's less time?<br /><br />And come one, come all, no AA admits because its cheap and easy.<br /><br />That won't work for everything, lab courses, etc. But it will for a lot. And that means no student debt overhang, too, for kids who work part-time, attend online, and get their degree quickly.<br /><br />Which means Cal State Latino Studies and the like get cut, because their is no subsidy from student loan fueled tuition and fees to cover them.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29054517943905195072013-03-17T13:22:31.709-07:002013-03-17T13:22:31.709-07:00Derb's Mossberg's post describes my situat...Derb's Mossberg's post describes my situation to a tee. My dad was able to start his own business with a high school education and my mom is a nurse. They aren't really up on the Ivy League thing and thus I was never exposed to a lot of the information I find on this blog and others. Not to reflect badly on them because they are great parents, I'm just saying many kids aren't exposed to these things.FWGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28119206133949537122013-03-17T13:05:02.029-07:002013-03-17T13:05:02.029-07:00Strictly speaking, Wall Street is more of a club t...Strictly speaking, Wall Street is more of a club than a business. All graft, no product.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27735765355540390652013-03-17T12:54:08.708-07:002013-03-17T12:54:08.708-07:00This post actually implicates one of the ironies, ...This post actually implicates one of the ironies, or perhaps one of the fraudulences, of liberal doctrine. Now that we're unashamedly in the era of government coercion, one would think that one of the bureaucratic projects would be pruning back the overcredentialization of everything, and requiring that, say, mid-level insurance defense firm hire graduates from Iowa State or Chapman. As I related here years ago, in 1996 a partner at a SF asbestos-litigation firm told me they hired only from Harvard, Columbia and Stanford law schools, which seemed ludicrous given the nature of the work ("sir, can you remember how many brake jobs you would have performed each week in 1976?")alonzo portfolionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12242507970183122982013-03-17T12:51:44.665-07:002013-03-17T12:51:44.665-07:00How do you know that a white boy from Texas is wor...How do you know that a white boy from Texas is working class. It seems many whites now in Texas are upper middle class. Some working class but probably the majority are Hispanic. Texas seems to be like San Diego and Orange County whites do the white collar and maybe some better paying blue collar jobs like oil and Latins do the working class. Also, I remember a letter showing that white cities in Texas have over 45 percent of the residents have a 4 year degree. Stop our sterotyping Texas is not Ak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46098127357633202082013-03-17T12:42:39.561-07:002013-03-17T12:42:39.561-07:00"nicer things being nicer doesn't factor ...<i> "nicer things being nicer doesn't factor in how much nicer it is to live in Manhattan, KS"</i><br /><br /><br />Would you please shut up before we have some east coast do-gooder princess come up with a fed gov funded project to relocate NAM's to nice little places in our areas like the thugs in Chicago are doing to small towns in Illinois?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18931954148032842472013-03-17T12:37:55.936-07:002013-03-17T12:37:55.936-07:00Every poor, smart, rural, etc., white male kid sho...Every poor, smart, rural, etc., white male kid should apply to Harvard, Yale, etc., to leave the record of all of the qualified poor white guys they have rejected. <br /><br />Never self censor.<br /><br /><br />Given the low number of seats at Harvard, they could probably fill every place in their freshman class with a qualified white male from rural/small town/red county America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83957439392906018032013-03-17T12:36:29.839-07:002013-03-17T12:36:29.839-07:00Imagine that the poor striver is one of nine child...Imagine that the poor striver is one of nine children, raised on under $30K per year, total household income. And it wasn't all that bad, because American poverty is what they call "wealth" in a lot of the world -- or even in the US a hundred years ago.<br /><br />So this striver, who has exceedingly good test scores, knows that if he just has a few kids and makes, say, $50-60K, he'll be able to live what is by his standards an extremely comfortable lifestyle. <br /><br />Why bother with Harvard?Mitchell Powellhttp://mitchellbpowell.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44245182030030245582013-03-17T12:35:05.171-07:002013-03-17T12:35:05.171-07:00re 1st poster:
In early '80's, I had a go...re 1st poster:<br /><br />In early '80's, I had a good high school friend who attended SF State rather than Cal because he couldn't afford to live away from home. With a CS degree, he became an early Apple employee, and went on to run a division at one of the other Valley giants. I wonder if that same path is still available. ehnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31510830060131150712013-03-17T12:31:06.005-07:002013-03-17T12:31:06.005-07:00"
"The big problem is that Wall Street s...<i>"<br />"The big problem is that Wall Street sucks up such a large fraction of the nation's income,"</i><br /><br />This.<br /><br />Texas needs its own stock exchange with its own rating agencies that have higher standards than those in New York. The best companies would want to be the Texas exchange for its better transparency and honesty with investors and less graft for the insiders. New York City needs some competition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com