tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5232169575464181913..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Abe Foxman speaksUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8811380648160562512012-05-28T14:37:59.051-07:002012-05-28T14:37:59.051-07:00My mistake, there are actually three threads, and ...My mistake, there are actually three threads, and this is one of them.<br /><br /><a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/05/abe-foxman-speaks.html" rel="nofollow">Abe Foxman speaks</a><br /><a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/05/from-top-of-website-of-haaretz-left-of.html" rel="nofollow">Latest Israel immigration news</a><br /><a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/05/undocumented-workers-in-us-illegal.html" rel="nofollow">"Undocumented workers" in U.S. = "Illegal infiltrators" in Israel</a><br /><br />I was also mistaken that one needs to read the comments to invalidate Takuan's progressives=nutcases=Jews argument. Just the headlines, plus this bit of Steve's commentary is enough:<br /><br /><i>Generally speaking, much can be learned from Israel about how an intelligent people govern themselves.</i>Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91472826348882990302012-05-28T08:32:18.370-07:002012-05-28T08:32:18.370-07:00>How exactly is it in a Jewish man's intere...>How exactly is it in a Jewish man's interest to import tens of millions of anti-Jewish Catholics from Mexico? Or half the Muslim Third World? How exactly?><br /><br />These people are no competition. They are easily fooled and ruled - low IQ. Whites, on the other hand, are dangerous as hell: a certain segment of them is smart enough to compete, to cause trouble, to threaten our continued bringing of light to, and healing of, the world. Scratch a white, find a Nazi. Can't take the risk, so must replace the white population everywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14670199905999256842012-05-27T23:37:26.869-07:002012-05-27T23:37:26.869-07:00As usual (in my meager experience of Svigor, the I...<i>As usual (in my meager experience of Svigor, the Internet Commentator), you revert to your Jewgenic Theory of What’s Wrong With The World. Your comment here packs three logical fallacies in one short sentence. First, I doubt you are qualified to assert what’s usual for me.</i><br /><br />As is usual for philo-Semites, you ignore the actual arguments in favor of your own straw men.<br /><br />I'm eminently qualified to state what's usual for what I read from you. So, which logical fallacy is that? Is there a name for it, or is it a Takuan special?<br /><br /><i>Second, I don’t ignore the “brimming threads” but am unaware of them.</i><br /><br />Right. You comment on a conversation and ignore everything everyone else is saying. Unware, ignorant, the difference is semantic at best. Both threads are currently on the front page. This is one of them. So, which fallacy was this?<br /><br /><i>I don’t hang out daily on this or any website. Third, that there were such threads does not necessarily invalidate my point.</i><br /><br />It does support mine, though - you don't deign to even follow the conversation you're larding.<br /><br />I notice you still haven't brought yourself up to speed.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8788064220444368592012-05-27T15:57:37.389-07:002012-05-27T15:57:37.389-07:00@Svigor
As usual (in my meager experience of Svigo...@Svigor<br />As usual (in my meager experience of Svigor, the Internet Commentator), you revert to your Jewgenic Theory of What’s Wrong With The World. Your comment here packs three logical fallacies in one short sentence. First, I doubt you are qualified to assert what’s usual for me. Second, I don’t ignore the “brimming threads” but am unaware of them. I don’t hang out daily on this or any website. Third, that there were such threads does not necessarily invalidate my point. As usual for the Alfred Rosenberg School of Phenomenology, those threads could have been, and probably were, packed with a lot of bovine manure. <br />Takuan SeiyoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63173441911821757732012-05-27T14:18:25.973-07:002012-05-27T14:18:25.973-07:00T]he crime rate among foreigners in Israel stood a...<i><b>T]he crime rate among foreigners</b> in Israel stood at 2.24 percent in 2011...<br />The 2011 data on Israeli crime has not yet been published, but according to police data reported to the Knesset, the crime rate among the general population in Israel stood at 4.99 percent in 2010. This figure demonstrates that the general crime rate in Israel is more than double <b>that of Africans in Israel</b>.</i><br /><br />So, does the link walk that apples to oranges comparison back, or what?Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60464815559159409262012-05-27T14:14:53.161-07:002012-05-27T14:14:53.161-07:00I skimmed over the comments here, and it appears t...<i>I skimmed over the comments here, and it appears that all responders are treating Foxman and the Jewish elite as though they were sane, and acting in their own best interest that happens to diverge from the best interest of their country.<br />However, these people are literally, insane. Progressivism, in its obstinate refusal to reckon with Reality, is no different from clinical schizophrenia. Examples abound, irrespective of race and ethnicity, except for the Jews' outsize representation in this segment, in the US and in Europe.<br />For the European variant of this genus, check out Berbara Lerner Specter's "Paideia" project. I wrote about it here.</i><br /><br />As usual, you ignore the fact that the two comment threads on the subject here in recent days are brimming with counterarguments.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78926141480795768472012-05-27T10:14:27.092-07:002012-05-27T10:14:27.092-07:00[T]he crime rate among foreigners in Israel stood ...<i>[T]he crime rate among foreigners in Israel stood at 2.24 percent in 2011... <br />The 2011 data on Israeli crime has not yet been published, but according to police data reported to the Knesset, the crime rate among the general population in Israel stood at 4.99 percent in 2010. This figure demonstrates that the general crime rate in Israel is more than double that of Africans in Israel.<br /><br />http://972mag.com/police-distortion-of-crime-data-encourages-rising-violence-against-refugees/46236/ </i><br /><br />Not too surprising, given what we know about immigrant crime rates.<br /><br />Except perhaps to dishonest dummkopfs who try to justify one rule for Israel and another for the rest of the West by portraying the first generation African refugees as qualitatively different from Mexicans in their crime vs work rate, and by smearing dissenters as "White nationalists who hate Jews".<br /><br />Compare to the US, where incarceration rates among foreign born Hispanics are half the native born "non-Hispanic White" rate:<br /><br />http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1592092.php<br /><br />While the native born Hispanics have an incarceration rate roughly 4 times the "non-Hispanic White" rate.<br /><br />It's the "native born" second and third generation immigrants who have the high crime rates, probably a big factor in which is their younger age.<br /><br />Hence why smart guys like Steve don't talk about first generation "foreigner crime" in the USA very much, but instead point out the dysfunctional 2nd gens.<br /><br />Interestingly, check out how the Asian crime rate is actually more-or-less equal to the White rate when considering equal foreign born/native born status.<br /><br />Seems like low Asian crime rates are due to the massive numbers of them who are foreign born, in comparison particularly to Blacks and Whites, and that their criminality may equal to Whites over time, as they become less "foreign born". Wonder what the pro-Asian immigration cheerleaders make of that?Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36772754127980765062012-05-26T20:23:11.978-07:002012-05-26T20:23:11.978-07:00I skimmed over the comments here, and it appears t...I skimmed over the comments here, and it appears that all responders are treating Foxman and the Jewish elite as though they were sane, and acting in their own best interest that happens to diverge from the best interest of their country.<br />However, these people are literally, insane. Progressivism, in its obstinate refusal to reckon with Reality, is no different from clinical schizophrenia. Examples abound, irrespective of race and ethnicity, except for the Jews' outsize representation in this segment, in the US and in Europe.<br />For the European variant of this genus, check out Berbara Lerner Specter's "Paideia" project. I wrote about it here: http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/102298/sec_id/102298Takuan SeiyoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16330040222508486932012-05-26T12:08:52.643-07:002012-05-26T12:08:52.643-07:00"Immigration is absolutely killing American b..."Immigration is absolutely killing American blacks economically. Either they don't realize it or they place a higher value on disempowering whites."<br /><br />Probably the latter. Its a case of cutting off one's nose to spite your face. While satisfying in the short term, it is a disaster in the long run.<br /><br />Its actually not that hard to manipulate a people into acting in a manner inconsistent with their best long-term interests. Here in Canada a good example would be French-Canadians who have historically supported the federal Liberal party, the party of open-door mass third world immigration. This has shattered the former cohesiveness and homogeneity of what was once known as English-Canada. But it has hardly helped Quebec. In the late 1960's, when Pierre Trudeau, the French-Canadian architect of all this was about to come to power, Quebec had 74 of 266 seats in the house of commons. It will now have 78 out of 338. It has gone from 28% of the house to just 23% and this slide is going to continue remorselessly. Quebec was the political powerhouse of Canadian politics in the 20th century (what California is to U.S. presidential races, times five). No more. Quebec and Francophones are going to have nothing like the political influence from now on that they historically had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39117395394377967342012-05-26T04:00:39.805-07:002012-05-26T04:00:39.805-07:00Many web headlines about the riot early Saturday, ...Many web headlines about the riot early Saturday, for the most part of a more-in-sadness-than-anger quality. I don't know the crime rate impact of the Africans in Tel Aviv but if DUIs and robberies and rapes are even slightly up then the gov't must have expected a populist backlash, and you don't have to be James Q. Wilson to realize that people already flouting the immigration rules are more of a risk to continue breaking other laws. In the U.S. we have a stream of famous drunk drivers from Central America killing carloads of families and the federal law enforcement/prison establishment evinces some confusion about the appropriate response. Obviously Israel should quickly expel the Africans established to be criminals, but will now need some modish political cover story to deport the rest; legalizing gay marriage ought to do the trick.Alcalde Jaime Miguel Curleohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11801154986193443160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78591849038067893742012-05-25T19:04:54.902-07:002012-05-25T19:04:54.902-07:00In China, "a rush of hostility towards foreig...In China, "a rush of hostility towards foreigners is appearing."<br /><br /><i>“The Ministry of Public Security must clean out foreign trash, arrest foreign thugs and protect innocent girls,” he wrote to his 820,000 followers. “Behead the snakeheads, the unemployed Americans and Europeans who come to China to make money, traffic in people and mislead the public by encouraging them to emigrate.”<br />[...]<br />the police in Beijing announced a 100-day campaign to rid the country of foreigners who are living or working in China illegally. The initiative, promoted through banners and articles in the state news media, encourages citizens to report those suspected of violating the law to the authorities.</i><br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/world/asia/wave-of-chinese-nationalism-as-communist-leadership-change-looms.html?_r=1&hpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41745316386327606432012-05-25T18:07:43.491-07:002012-05-25T18:07:43.491-07:00"It is sick and disgusting that the rest of t..."It is sick and disgusting that the rest of the U.S. media has turned a blind eye to these acts."<br /><br />And proof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50928410230401904442012-05-25T18:03:44.302-07:002012-05-25T18:03:44.302-07:00ed
"One thing I caught is that Foxman is conc...ed<br />"One thing I caught is that Foxman is concerned that the anti-immigrant forces in the US include or are pushed by NeoNazis, who are ultimately targetting Jews. He doesn't have this concern with the anti-immigrant forces in Israel."<br /><br />So racism, xenophobia, bigotry etc are good or bad depending on whether they are good or bad for the Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90305456899513425422012-05-25T17:26:57.059-07:002012-05-25T17:26:57.059-07:00How exactly is it in a Jewish man's interest t...<i>How exactly is it in a Jewish man's interest to import tens of millions of anti-Jewish Catholics from Mexico? Or half the Muslim Third World? How exactly?</i> <br /><br /><br />No one ever said that Jews are rational.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79293717021962219582012-05-25T16:00:29.385-07:002012-05-25T16:00:29.385-07:00Immigration is absolutely killing American blacks ...Immigration is absolutely killing American blacks economically. Either they don't realize it or they place a higher value on disempowering whites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8272695482443698102012-05-25T15:59:57.912-07:002012-05-25T15:59:57.912-07:00By diluting the numbers, influence, and power of t...<i>By diluting the numbers, influence, and power of the nations' founding stock. By creating a new pluralistic population in which no one group is a clear majortiy - a population that has no social cohesion.</i><br /><br />And it doesn't hurt that for the most part, at least in Texas, Hispanic leaders like Xochitl Hinojosa -- if not <i>anusim</i> or openly Jewish -- are at least descended from <i>conversos</i>.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87441367934772764462012-05-25T15:50:14.148-07:002012-05-25T15:50:14.148-07:00Yeah Foxman is deeply assimilated. He's got th...<i>Yeah Foxman is deeply assimilated. He's got the same attitude Bill Gates has.</i><br /><br />Right. They both think "ethnostates for Jews good, ethnostates for gentiles bad." Oh, wait, that's like saying the KKK and Uncle Toms have the same attitude...<br /><br /><i>How exactly is it in a Jewish man's interest to import tens of millions of anti-Jewish Catholics from Mexico? Or half the Muslim Third World? How exactly?</i><br /><br />Better than the Fourth Reich. I mean, I'm just giving you <a href="http://theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/?p=768" rel="nofollow">the opinion</a> here:<br /><br /><i>“The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country.<br /><br />We [Jews] have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible—and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever (Raab 1993b, 23)”<br /><br />Positive attitudes toward cultural diversity have also appeared in other statements on immigration by Jewish authors and leaders. Charles Silberman (1985, 350) notes, “American Jews are committed to cultural tolerance because of their belief—one firmly rooted in history—that Jews are safe only in a society acceptant of a wide range of attitudes and behaviors, as well as a diversity of religious and ethnic groups. It is this belief, for example, not approval of homosexuality, that leads an overwhelming majority of U.S. Jews to endorse ‘gay rights’ and to take a liberal stance on most other so-called ‘social’ issues.”</i><br /><br />If you think it's nuts, take it up with them.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68386036650175246242012-05-25T15:40:40.322-07:002012-05-25T15:40:40.322-07:00"I skimmed both statements, and I didn't ...<i>"I skimmed both statements, and I didn't see a big difference between them."<br /><br />Then perhaps you should read them instead of skimming them.</i><br /><br />I'm seeing an image of Beavis and Butthead: "Uh, words, words, uh, huh huh, it says use on wood."ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54821312725630479362012-05-25T15:30:45.118-07:002012-05-25T15:30:45.118-07:00[T]he crime rate among foreigners in Israel stood ...<i>[T]he crime rate among foreigners in Israel stood at 2.24 percent in 2011... <br />The 2011 data on Israeli crime has not yet been published, but according to police data reported to the Knesset, the crime rate among the general population in Israel stood at 4.99 percent in 2010. This figure demonstrates that <b>the general crime rate in Israel is more than double that of Africans in Israel.</b></i><br /><br />http://972mag.com/police-distortion-of-crime-data-encourages-rising-violence-against-refugees/46236/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76287251941888761442012-05-25T15:29:24.729-07:002012-05-25T15:29:24.729-07:00Actually I think this is perfectly reasonable.
O...<i>Actually I think this is perfectly reasonable. </i><br /><br />Of course, it's reasonable, and it's reasonable for us to disassociate ourselves from people like Foxman. But people like Foxman will simply not allow it.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84600900632666081172012-05-25T15:25:08.067-07:002012-05-25T15:25:08.067-07:00What difference does the "im" make?
It ...<i>What difference does the "im" make?</i><br /><br />It provides a direction. Just one direction: in -- into our country!!!<br /><br />When you say "migrant", you're leaving open the possibility of further movement in any direction.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16105948968865009212012-05-25T15:20:36.294-07:002012-05-25T15:20:36.294-07:00We let this guy and his parents come here, which w...We let this guy and his parents come here, which we didn't have to do, and where is the gratitude? He supports immigration that seeks to eliminate the position of the very people who let him in. Sweet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18249257325829899112012-05-25T14:34:36.027-07:002012-05-25T14:34:36.027-07:00This is too easy. Foxman is an ethnic spokesman. E...<i>This is too easy. Foxman is an ethnic spokesman. Expecting fair weighing of his ethnic group's actions vs other groups' actions is no more sensible for him than for Sharpton or Farakhan. By his role and past actions, you can know already that he is going to see the world primarily in terms of what's best for the Jews. Presumably, he thinks a US that is very welcoming of immigrants, and an Israel that is not, is good for the Jews. Nothing is wrong with that as a calculation or a concern, but there is also no reason anyone whose first concern is not the well being of the Jews should be too interested in his opinions on this matter. </i><br /><br />This.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48653968294805111482012-05-25T13:53:41.051-07:002012-05-25T13:53:41.051-07:00If Anglo-America was as racist as Abe Foxman and h...If Anglo-America was as racist as Abe Foxman and his "is it good for the jews" Israeli apologist brothers are..........well, we'd be living in a very different country.<br /><br />And Abe Foxman and his parents would never have been let in in the first place.DYorknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37885414928206631912012-05-25T13:50:13.341-07:002012-05-25T13:50:13.341-07:00Rule number 1. with Whiskey - NEVER underestimate ...Rule number 1. with Whiskey - NEVER underestimate his fear and hatred of White women and his pathological need to make himself a victim of their lack of any desire for him and his imaginary White beta male brethren.<br /><br />Rule number 2. with Whiskey - NEVER underestimate his need cover for any examples of Jewish ethnocentrism, bias, bigotry or deception.<br /><br />It NEVER NEVER NEVER stops with him....HATE THE WHITE WOMEN, DEFEND THE JEWS.<br /><br />That's what every whiskey post boils down to.DYorknoreply@blogger.com