tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5365066231719833911..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: JDF: "27% of Jewish Children Are in Orthodox Homes — Huge Jump"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67804595603798112952013-11-18T18:51:28.059-08:002013-11-18T18:51:28.059-08:00The theory that Columbus was a converso is just on...The theory that Columbus was a converso is just one among others concerning his origins. There is no proof of it, and it is certainly not accepted by a majority of serious scholars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50536919603598311502013-11-18T07:50:28.701-08:002013-11-18T07:50:28.701-08:00ose Jews who converted didn't maintain the kin...<i>ose Jews who converted didn't maintain the kind of ties with the Jewish community that Reform Jews do today, e.g. Johannes Pfefferkorn who was actively hostile to it.</i><br /><br />What about Columbus and his family of conversos? Columbus made Jamaica a haven for Jews in the New World.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20417601955238793862013-11-17T10:53:38.587-08:002013-11-17T10:53:38.587-08:00The first anonymous commenter stated that the &quo...The first anonymous commenter stated that the "general pattern of history" was that Jews who assimilated "promotes a liberal, universalistic, cosmopolitan ethic among the gentile world that helps mitigate intolerance and discrimination." My argument is that this is not the general pattern of history. First, the avenues for assimilation were limited to conversion everywhere in Europe before the time of Napoleon, and the number of people who did that (again, pre-Napoleon) when not under duress was small. Those Jews who converted didn't maintain the kind of ties with the Jewish community that Reform Jews do today, e.g. Johannes Pfefferkorn who was actively hostile to it. The only large scale conversion of Jews to Christianity occurred in Iberia under duress. There, the insincere conversos sometimes tried to maintain ties to the Jewish community but were persecuted by the Inquisition for doing so. And after the expulsion of 1492, there was no "inner core" Jewish community in Iberia for them to mitigate discrimination against.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41448162099147082432013-11-16T21:09:32.497-08:002013-11-16T21:09:32.497-08:00"You just contradicted yourself."
That ...<i>"You just contradicted yourself."<br /><br />That wasn't the same commenter. The second commenter was a different Anonymous disputing the comment made by the first Anonymous.</i><br /><br />And the second anonymous -- rather obviously, I thought! -- contradicted himself by saying that Jews could not spin off from the Jewish core before the time of Napoleon. Then he said that, before Napoleon, there was no possibility of assimilation except through conversion, which would constitute what he just said was impossible. That's a contradiction.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26232106194604948882013-11-16T21:05:03.906-08:002013-11-16T21:05:03.906-08:00What is illegal?
Define "it".
Having ...<i>What is illegal? <br /><br />Define "it".</i><br /><br />Having their own communities. It is "illegal" for Whites to exclude non-Whites from anything.. ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67805906899179821492013-11-16T19:37:03.759-08:002013-11-16T19:37:03.759-08:00reudwasrightaboutafewthings said...
""O...reudwasrightaboutafewthings said...<br /><br />""Or perhaps it's because, when whites actually attempt it, it's illegal, and they get smashed.""<br /><br />What is illegal?<br /><br />Define "it".<br /><br />Limiting membership to whites, nitwit. You try it, and see how far you get.<br /><br />"On the other hand, there are thriving, flourishing communities of Amish, Mormons, etc."<br /><br />And they self-identify - and organize - on the basis of religion, not race. Again - idiot - if whites in this country try to self-segregate explicity on the basis of race they get smashed. Even those white nationalist communities you mentioned, full of losers as they are, instantly attract the attention of federal law-enforcement agencies, who thereafter just won't leave them alone.<br /><br />"I'd ask you to think of it, but you clearly have no capacity for rational thought."<br /><br />You are not engaging in a dispassionate argument based on rational though. You are pushing an agenda, asshole.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71551661474909383632013-11-16T07:50:11.761-08:002013-11-16T07:50:11.761-08:00"Or perhaps it's because, when whites act..."Or perhaps it's because, when whites actually attempt it, it's illegal, and they get smashed."<br /><br />What is illegal? <br /><br />Define "it".<br /><br />There have been numerous attempts to start white nationalist communities in the northwest. Every one of them crashed and burned after one generation because they attracted burned out low IQ losers who do nothing but complain and whine and moan about how unfair it all is. I suspect you are one of them.<br /><br />On the other hand, there are thriving, flourishing communities of Amish, Mormons, etc. I'd ask you to think of it, but you clearly have no capacity for rational thought.freudwasrightaboutafewthingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76107126003232782812013-11-15T22:03:58.049-08:002013-11-15T22:03:58.049-08:00You just contradicted yourself.
That wasn't ...<i>You just contradicted yourself. </i><br /><br />That wasn't the same commenter. The second commenter was a different Anonymous disputing the comment made by the first Anonymous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50887608192182890092013-11-15T20:15:13.952-08:002013-11-15T20:15:13.952-08:00"freudwasrightaboutafewthings said...
Why DO..."freudwasrightaboutafewthings said...<br /><br />Why DON'T white nationalists start their own communities? Could it be that white nationalism is an empty identity?"<br /><br />Or perhaps it's because, when whites actually attempt it, it's illegal, and they get smashed.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68951422684735996462013-11-15T17:48:34.734-08:002013-11-15T17:48:34.734-08:00"Yes, this is the general historical pattern....<i>"Yes, this is the general historical pattern. The 'outer layer' enters the gentile world"<br /><br />--<br /><br />Only since Napoleon has this been possible at all among Ashkenazim, and only in Western Europe where there were few Jews (most were still dwelling in shtetls in Eastern Europe until the end of the 19th century). Before Napoleon, there was no possibility of assimilation except through conversion....</i><br /><br />You just contradicted yourself. ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57572476327919346562013-11-15T16:50:46.741-08:002013-11-15T16:50:46.741-08:00Why DON'T white nationalists start their own c...<i><b>Why DON'T white nationalists start their own communities?</b></i><br /><br />Just goggle something as vague as <b><i>Dakota</i></b> and as innocuous as <b><i>white</i></b> to see what the Jews are <a href="https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr&ei=nwdYUovcLY_JrAesy4CwCg#q=white+dakota" rel="nofollow">obsessed with.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61153815023656782072013-11-15T14:32:05.111-08:002013-11-15T14:32:05.111-08:00Before Napoleon, there was no possibility of assim...<i>Before Napoleon, there was no possibility of assimilation except through conversion, and the converts did not generally maintain relations with their traditionally relgious Jewish families.</i><br /><br />Conversion was entering the gentile world. Even today, secular Jews don't maintain as close or strong relations with the "core" religious community as they do with other secular Jews and gentiles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46798709074447007162013-11-15T12:43:10.512-08:002013-11-15T12:43:10.512-08:00Yes, this is the general historical pattern. The &...<i>Yes, this is the general historical pattern. The "outer layer" enters the gentile world</i><br /><br />Only since Napoleon has this been possible at all among Ashkenazim, and only in Western Europe where there were few Jews (most were still dwelling in shtetls in Eastern Europe until the end of the 19th century). Before Napoleon, there was no possibility of assimilation except through conversion, and the converts did not generally maintain relations with their traditionally relgious Jewish families. There are a few cases, such as that of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Pfefferkorn" rel="nofollow"> Johannes Pfefferkorn</a>, where converted Jews actively aided their persecution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87338196708812534672013-11-15T11:49:33.715-08:002013-11-15T11:49:33.715-08:00MacDonald argues that this has operated over the l...<i>MacDonald argues that this has operated over the long term of hundreds or thousands of years, with an outer layer of the community always disintegrating into the surrounding peoples while a core regenerates. </i><br /><br />Yes, this is the general historical pattern. The "outer layer" enters the gentile world and promotes a liberal, universalistic, cosmopolitan ethic among the gentile world that helps mitigate intolerance and discrimination against the community as a whole, while the core retains a conservative, particularistic, cohesive ethic that maintains the group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81253375537155894832013-11-15T09:12:10.963-08:002013-11-15T09:12:10.963-08:00What I want to know is the size of that population...<i>What I want to know is the size of that population and whether it is sinking in numbers...</i><br /><br />It's hard to get a sense of that from Pew, in part because their definition of Jewishness is more expansive than yours. I'm a non-religious Ashkenazi, and my sense is that the non-Orthodox Jewish community is experiencing slow numeric decline. Intermarriage doesn't always lead to numeric decline if the children are raised Jewish, although your definition of Jewishness and the Orthodox one would consider many of those children non-Jewish regardless of self-identification. Low birth rate is less ambiguous. Non-Orthodox Jews have very low birthrates, and as the older generation dies off, a population decline should reveal itself in future population surveys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82158507370270089702013-11-15T07:19:08.081-08:002013-11-15T07:19:08.081-08:00"Miguel S. said...
Regarding the political s..."Miguel S. said...<br /><br />Regarding the political sensibilities of Orthodox Jews, it's worth knowing that Orthodoxy divides into roughly two groups: "Ultra-Orthodox" and Modern Orthodox. The Ultra-Orthodox vote Republican in national elections because of moral issues such as partial-birth abortion and homosexual marriage."<br /><br />I find that difficult to believe. The "ultra-orthodox" really care about the goyim aborting thier babies? I doubt it. Thier vote is probably won or lost entirely on the issue of Israel. G.W. Bush only got about 30% of the orthodox vote in 2000, when he was cosying up to muslims, and talking down foreign interventionism. Then, in 2004, he got 70% of the orthodox vote. Obviously, his (stated) ideas about foreign policy had changed alot by then. John (we'll have to stay in the mid-east for 100 years) McCain got 80% of the orthodox vote in 2008.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23706535334039621582013-11-15T06:01:37.431-08:002013-11-15T06:01:37.431-08:00Are guys like Bernanke or Blankfein Jewish though?...<i>Are guys like Bernanke or Blankfein Jewish though? Amy Chuas kids do NOT consider themselves Jewish. Would Zuckerbergs? And while a 17% dropout rate is substantial, secular Jews tend to have even higher defacto rates with outmarriage or no kids.</i><br /><br />Secular Jews have much lower rates of "outmarriage" than white "gentiles." I mean, just look at that word, "outmarriage." There's a bait and switch there. We're not talking about religious people - they're secular, agnostic, atheistic, etc. We're talking about an ethnic group. <i>Nobody even knows what the "outmarriage" rate is for equivalent ethnic groups like German-Americans, French-Americans, American-Americans, etc., because nobody even cares enough to keep track</i>. Jewish "outmarriage" = white people marrying white people.<br /><br /><i>That being said, the ultras are still warring with the Maskilim--the Jewish assimilationists (liberals)--who have been trying to break down the rabbinic command-and-control system that Jews devised over a thousand years ago to stay separate from The Nations.</i><br /><br />It's interesting how often one sees the manifestations of traditional despotic Judaism in secular and non-Orthodox Jews. Gun-grabbing is a despotic "liberal" endeavor, and Jews are the vanguard there. Speech codes and criminalization of hate speech is a despotic "liberal" endeavor, and Jews are the vanguard there. Political correctness, too. They're BFFs with Israel, nuff said on that one. Big gov't, ditto.<br /><br /><i>>> Is anyone else allowed to have their own cities and villages?<br /><br />Off the top of my head.... the Amish. Let's see who else.<br /><br />you could do it, if you did it. WN retreats have all only been publicity stunts. At least, so far.</i><br /><br />You make a good point. From what little I know of the Amish, they got their perks by being willing to go to jail for them.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17966635065659378522013-11-15T00:08:02.398-08:002013-11-15T00:08:02.398-08:00The Hasidic village of New Square, the Orthodox ci...<i><b>The Hasidic village of New Square, the Orthodox city of Lakewood, the ultra-Orthodox Hasidic village of Kiryas Joel. Is anyone else allowed to have their own cities and villages?</b></i> <br /><br />Yes, of course.<br /><br />It' slightly less popular, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us/white-supremacists-plan-angers-a-north-dakota-town.html?hp&_r=1&" rel="nofollow">though.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52993518896268209102013-11-14T21:59:36.148-08:002013-11-14T21:59:36.148-08:00"The Orthodox community produces secular Jews..."The Orthodox community produces secular Jews. Secular Jews have low birth rates and don't sustain their numbers on their own. Orthodox Jews have high birth rates and produce a surplus population that inevitably leaves the Orthodox community and becomes secular, adopting and promoting secular views..."<br /><br />MacDonald argues that this has operated over the long term of hundreds or thousands of years, with an outer layer of the community always disintegrating into the surrounding peoples while a core regenerates. ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51681067753764713892013-11-14T21:51:30.822-08:002013-11-14T21:51:30.822-08:00Christian communities could learn a lot of things ...<i>Christian communities could learn a lot of things from the Orthodox.</i><br /><br />Or Mormons, or Muslims...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68574296104446708192013-11-14T21:40:34.308-08:002013-11-14T21:40:34.308-08:00the English version of the Forward is completely u...the English version of the Forward is completely under the thumb of the Leftoids.<br /><br />Yiddish version is not so bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34121121696427298772013-11-14T20:52:24.813-08:002013-11-14T20:52:24.813-08:00Are guys like Bernanke or Blankfein Jewish though?...<i>Are guys like Bernanke or Blankfein Jewish though? Amy Chuas kids do NOT consider themselves Jewish. Would Zuckerbergs? </i><br /><br />Give us a break. Self-deception on this point is more the rule than the exception.<br /><br />Look at what Charles Silberman wrote about Abraham Heschel, the eponym of the $34,500-per-year school mentioned in this very blog post. Regarding Heschel's reaction to the war in 1967: <br /><br /><i>"I had not known how deeply Jewish I was!" This was the response, not of some newcomer to Judaism or casual devotee but of the man many, myself included, consider the greatest Jewish spiritual leader of our time. Others made the same discovery about themselves. "I must confess surprise over the depth of my own feelings," Rabbi Richard Rubenstein , another distinguished theologian, wrote. "There are unconscious depths to the phenomenon of Jewishness which even those of us who have spent our lives in its study cannot fathom."</i>ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22283745731393868142013-11-14T20:47:51.449-08:002013-11-14T20:47:51.449-08:00>> Is anyone else allowed to have their o...>> Is anyone else allowed to have their own cities and villages? <br /><br />Off the top of my head.... the Amish. Let's see who else.<br /><br />you could do it, if you did it. WN retreats have all only been publicity stunts. At least, so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10676889417703652202013-11-14T20:45:39.899-08:002013-11-14T20:45:39.899-08:00If we define a Jew for the purposes of this discus...If we define a Jew for the purposes of this discussion as someone whose parents and grandparents are Ashkenazi on both sides of the family, then, yes, clearly, the ultra-orthodox are a rapidly growing percentage of that population. What I want to know is the size of that population and whether it is sinking in numbers, and if so how fast? That is the real test of assimilation..<br />Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89422175602655666052013-11-14T20:42:08.183-08:002013-11-14T20:42:08.183-08:00>> have only one Chief Rabbi of all the Je...>> have only one Chief Rabbi of all the Jews<br /><br />the concern is not over some philosophical dispute about "what is the rule when there are TWO Supreme courts"....<br /><br />...the concern is over the cost of maintainining, not only a Holy See.... but a duplicate as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com