tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5401560548916964482..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Why so much retardation among Somalis in Minnesota?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4027257371861650482017-11-25T18:11:48.520-08:002017-11-25T18:11:48.520-08:00Sorry.I agree 100% with Marty. They are a Tower of...Sorry.I agree 100% with Marty. They are a Tower of Babel. Zero benefit to this country. A negative economically.hardrockminerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616157830408399589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-865377725478297762017-11-25T18:10:28.635-08:002017-11-25T18:10:28.635-08:00And most Somalians that came as refugees have a bi...And most Somalians that came as refugees have a birthdate of January 1st. Just like racehorses. They have about 4 surnames, and declare their children to be about 6 years younger than they are to entitle them to years more of welfare. They are not an honorable community. I worked with hundreds of them in section 8 housing. Criminals. Deport them all.hardrockminerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616157830408399589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55713305629985390952017-11-25T18:07:28.808-08:002017-11-25T18:07:28.808-08:00Touche’! Phyllis lost her most recent election to ...Touche’! Phyllis lost her most recent election to a Somali. The refugees have ruined my old neighborhood. Welfare and refusal to assimilate make then undesirable to me.😐hardrockminerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616157830408399589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15514988562605028602017-11-25T18:04:58.622-08:002017-11-25T18:04:58.622-08:00Somalians are short on intelligence and a work eth...Somalians are short on intelligence and a work ethic. They need to go back to Somalia.hardrockminerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06616157830408399589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53650888354103244852014-04-18T07:48:55.425-07:002014-04-18T07:48:55.425-07:00So, rather this silly writer discuss the findings ...So, rather this silly writer discuss the findings and ask the abvious question of if autism did not exist in oral Somalia, why is it high in Minnesota? He takes a racist turn and adds cousin marriage. Then if any of the low IQ and racist White posts here would've said - well cousin marriage accounts for over 20% or world marriages and they doni have this high severe autism, so it must be some environmental trigger. As the saying goes, those with few brain cells insult others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24888383117341237292013-12-20T11:18:34.598-08:002013-12-20T11:18:34.598-08:00he findings came as long-awaited validation for Id...he findings came as long-awaited validation for Idil Abdull, co-founder of the Somali American Autism Foundation. She said she struggled for years to try to persuade officials there even was a problem. Abdull, who lives in Burnsville, said autism was essentially unknown in her native Somalia, but her 11-year-old autistic son barely speaks a word.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17637027378611520022013-12-20T10:53:29.737-08:002013-12-20T10:53:29.737-08:00Autism is not merely a matter of mental retardatio...Autism is not merely a matter of mental retardation. The key symptom that is noticeable even to the untrained eye are the repetitive movements (self-stimulatory behaviors or "stims") that characterize the syndrome.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62269702663617789952013-12-20T05:58:31.134-08:002013-12-20T05:58:31.134-08:00Cousins in general are no more attractive than any...<em>Cousins in general are no more attractive than anyone else, and the closer cousins even less so.</em><br /><br />It seems fairly obvious that there would have been more cousins hooking up (married or otherwise) when families were bigger and most people didn't move far from where they grew up. If your parents each had six siblings, you might have a dozen cousins of the opposite sex within 5 years or so of your age, all living near enough that you saw them frequently and got to know them well.<br /><br />Now, with smaller families and many kids moving away for college or jobs, most kids don't see most of their cousins except a couple times a year on holidays.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44304541392582538382013-12-20T00:07:03.355-08:002013-12-20T00:07:03.355-08:00A friend of mine once expounded the view that cous...<i>A friend of mine once expounded the view that cousin-mating (if not cousin-marriage) might explain the IQs of inner-city blacks in the US, and how they might have actually declined in the last fifty years. Given that the lines of patrimony have become blurred or often even non-existent in that population, people are likely mating with close relatives without even knowing it.</i><br /><br />I doubt it. Some posters here seem to have the idea that cousins are some sort of sirens that will entrap the unwary unless stopped by draconian legislation or at least moral shaming. Cousins in general are no more attractive than anyone else, and the closer cousins even less so. There actually have been studies on this, and they have found that people are motivated (in terms of mating and marriage) by a certain amount of genetic distance.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69732594116148861082013-12-19T21:44:06.522-08:002013-12-19T21:44:06.522-08:00Oh they know itOh they know itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25181094545128430152013-12-19T21:43:00.754-08:002013-12-19T21:43:00.754-08:00From your cousin marriage article in Am Con
"...From your cousin marriage article in Am Con<br /><br />"The anthropologist Carleton Coon also pointed out that by minimizing the number of relatives a Bedouin Arab nomad has, this system of inbreeding "does not overextend the number of persons whose deaths an honorable man must avenge."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56066324890847346672013-12-19T21:35:18.072-08:002013-12-19T21:35:18.072-08:00Okay but the high rate in Mn Somalis is pretty dar...Okay but the high rate in Mn Somalis is pretty darn close to the high rate in Mn whites. The Scandinavians aren't that related. What's the reason there?Alicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76877886999266741422013-12-19T21:33:46.359-08:002013-12-19T21:33:46.359-08:00Curious...was his patter just different or did it ...Curious...was his patter just different or did it not make sense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21822978576008244152013-12-19T21:27:14.043-08:002013-12-19T21:27:14.043-08:00I had to read it 3 times. Twice I could have sworn...I had to read it 3 times. Twice I could have sworn it said "a cold f___ING Mogadishu"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-220541280506862742013-12-19T21:12:23.267-08:002013-12-19T21:12:23.267-08:00Judging by this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn...Judging by this <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnACVhxTqJQ<br /> the Hmong are making good progress.Foreign Expertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50859321799334388802013-12-19T19:59:08.402-08:002013-12-19T19:59:08.402-08:00I doubt anybody's tradition of frowning on cou...<i>I doubt anybody's tradition of frowning on cousin marriage comes from a belief that a one-off cousin marriage is in dire danger of producing monsters.</i><br /><br />Very few anti-CM prohibitions are eugenic in nature, anyway. Many of them are economic. I think that people need to understand the history before they can make informed decisions.<br /><br /><i>Loose patterns of cousin marriage are probably more common than not in history, for obvious reasons. Some farther-out-on-the-tree cousins here, a few closer kin there over time, no problem.</i><br /><br />Survival trumps morality and castor-oil legalism. In every remote mountain village in the Balkans and Caucasus, the residents needed to marry their cousins in order to propagate future generations. They never had the luxury of listening to some pope sitting on his ass in Rome.<br /><br /><i>And as any reader of Steve ought to know, patterns of cousin marriage and anti-cousin marriage result in different kinds of social structures.</i><br /><br />Patterns... That's the key word. Consistent patterns over time. Also, many of the societies with heavy CM, practice arranged marriage as well. It's in the hands of the parents and out of the hands of the kids. Both individuals and societies, left to their own devices, will practice some CM, but not make it the predominant way. Only with a great tradition of arranged marriage comes near-exclusive cousin marriage.<br /><br /><i> Not that libertardians are interested in those aspects.</i><br /><br />No, they do not believe in society at all, and like John Galt, ran away from home and society at age 6, fed clothed and educated themselves, built steam locomotives with their bare hands, yadda yadda yadda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83729062806852710132013-12-19T19:34:36.193-08:002013-12-19T19:34:36.193-08:00Steve, thanks for taking this further.
I suspect...Steve, thanks for taking this further. <br /><br />I suspect that the consequences of consanguinity depend on the specific alleles which are being propagated. In other words, if high IQ people interbreed, their kids are more, rather than less likely to have an IQ similar to their parents, rather than regressing to the population mean. <br /><br />On the other hand, if genes for low IQ are being propagated, ....<br /><br />Anon.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-224129321965394522013-12-19T18:36:29.486-08:002013-12-19T18:36:29.486-08:00An honest scientific study on cousin marriage and ...<i>An honest scientific study on cousin marriage and other forms of inbreeding - as opposed to one based on fear, superstition, and moralism - will uncover the facts. Inbreeding is probably not as harmful as "they say it is"...</i><br /><br />Goddam Puritan moralists at it again, keeping us away from our attractive cousins.<br /><br />I imagine a lot of data already exists, and upon examination will tell us that.."well, it depends".<br /><br />I doubt anybody's tradition of frowning on cousin marriage comes from a belief that a one-off cousin marriage is in dire danger of producing monsters. (Prepare to see this straw-man trotted out 24/7 by people trying to change consanguinity laws, though.) Loose patterns of cousin marriage are probably more common than not in history, for obvious reasons. Some farther-out-on-the-tree cousins here, a few closer kin there over time, no problem. The real issue is a long-term pattern of marrying very close relations - first cousins, uncle/niece - generation upon generation. Does John Stossel know for a fact that the elevated level of health problems reported among, say, British Pakistanis has absolutely nothing to do with their particular pattern of cousin marriage?<br /><br />And as any reader of Steve ought to know, patterns of cousin marriage and anti-cousin marriage result in different kinds of social structures. Not that libertardians are interested in those aspects.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-594587618413671122013-12-19T18:27:33.958-08:002013-12-19T18:27:33.958-08:00How big is the impact of a single instance of firs...How big is the impact of a single instance of first cousin marriage? My impression is that it's pretty small. But a culture that encourages cousin marriage gets a lot of individuals with a whole lot of branches on their family tree occupied b the same person....NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91730135938474806552013-12-19T16:52:49.370-08:002013-12-19T16:52:49.370-08:00cousin marriage is certainly not a particularly po...cousin marriage is certainly not a particularly positive thing, but given the wide range of where it is practiced I'd hesitate to assign it as a cause to severe mental retardation.<br /><br />"Maybe in a saner world we could ban immigrants from such places. Let them stay home and enjoy the fruits of their cultural trappings." - Only in a saner world. Chain migration works best with the tribal/clannish structure produced by cousin marriage. Not to mention illegal immigration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77683920112578367822013-12-19T16:06:44.784-08:002013-12-19T16:06:44.784-08:00Related to this post, does anyone here watch Paren...Related to this post, does anyone here watch <a href="http://www.nbc.com/parenthood/" rel="nofollow">Parenthood</a>? There's one child character who has Asperger's. I don't know how accurate the portrayal is, but Asperger's comes across essentially as a blend of tactlessness and obnoxiousness. Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89315655340701278892013-12-19T15:53:03.787-08:002013-12-19T15:53:03.787-08:00There used to be quite a bit of inbreeding among v...There used to be quite a bit of inbreeding among various immigrant European groups a century ago - whether this is attributable to the limits of travel (marrying within a few miles of one's home village) or traditional cultural/religious patterns, I don't really know. Jews traditionally had high rates of first cousin marriage, and I have read elsewhere that Uncle/Niece marriages are also religiously authorized. Perhaps Ms. Kahn has such unions in her family background and wishes to validate them?<br /><br />I've also found a tremendous amount of first/second/third cousin marriage among Southern Italians - those arriving as immigrants and to a slightly lesser extent among the first generation raised (not necessarily born) in the US. After that, however, it drops off precipitously, and marriages to other Europeans (Germans, Irish, English, etc.) increase dramatically. These are only personal observations from genealogical research, however; don't know if these patterns are comparable for the larger population.Sheilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28562456832266131242013-12-19T15:49:10.281-08:002013-12-19T15:49:10.281-08:00w/r/t Somali intelligence, I am somewhat sympathet...w/r/t Somali intelligence, I am somewhat sympathetic to the notion that tests are culturally bound. However, this has it's own problems. <br />Many African languages have words for "one" and "many" but not "two" or even "a whole ton of" vs. "a handful". <br />Or for instance they have no words to describe the past and the future as coherent entities. There is a "now".<br />It doesn't surprise me that such people have extreme difficulty with math (which is built upon gradations in numbers).<br />For a very fascinating read of the role of african language check out<br /><br />http://whitelocust.wordpress.com/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners/<br /><br />guy is an expat philosophy prof who has taught at various african universities and has a knack for language.<br /><br />Havign said all this, though, it doesn't quite matter if their 70IQ is "real" or their seeming score of 70 is an artifact of their inherent innumeracy, either way we as The West are much much better off with fewer rather than more of themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91039023502671755352013-12-19T15:41:01.888-08:002013-12-19T15:41:01.888-08:00Judaism does not prohibit cousin marriage, though ...<i>Judaism does not prohibit cousin marriage, though it is no longer common. Its prevalence in the past may be one reason for the high rate of Jewish genetic diseases. Is there any research that cousin marriage actually causes retardation?</i><br /><br /><i>John Stossel the TV libertarian announced a few weeks ago that the bad effects of cousin marriages was a 'myth'. He said - cheerfully - that if you want to marry your first cousin, go ahead - it's OK.</i><br /><br />An honest scientific study on cousin marriage and other forms of inbreeding - as opposed to one based on fear, superstition, and moralism - will uncover the facts. Inbreeding is probably not as harmful as "they say it is", and magnifies existing genetic diseases and defects rather than creating new ones. The ancient and medieval Jews knew a few things about genetics (and eugenics) and could protect themselves from the bad effects. Muslims did not.<br /><br />Another not-well-known inbred ethnic group: Serbs. They do not seem to have suffered genetic harm from their consanguinous Zadruga extended family traditions. Their Orthodox Church does not seem to have followed the same laws as the Catholic Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43858252494175031242013-12-19T15:07:06.083-08:002013-12-19T15:07:06.083-08:00Funny in a way. It's politically correct to be...<i>Funny in a way. It's politically correct to be autistic but not at all nice to be stupid.</i><br /><br />I disagree. Autism and especially Asperger Syndrome are ways for unusually smart people to assert their rights, and defend themselves from persecution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com