tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5478558766598952940..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Why L.A. lags in hipster fashionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10712846441246117602013-02-05T18:02:39.679-08:002013-02-05T18:02:39.679-08:00"Back in the old days, people wore a lot of l...<i>"Back in the old days, people wore a lot of layers of wool because everybody lived in England or Cleveland or someplace and the coal for your stove wasn't free."</i><br /><br />This weekend, I lost the heat in my apartment... in February... in New England. Steve's line above came immediately to mind as I piled on layer after layer just to hang around the kitchen. I consider myself a hardy soul when it comes to the cold, but I have a newfound respect for my preindustrial forebears in the Northeast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32912792600666578372013-02-04T08:22:02.166-08:002013-02-04T08:22:02.166-08:00Calling the Band Perry authentic may seem, off the...Calling the Band Perry authentic may seem, off the wall. Better to say that they were from the country, and now are domesticated.<br /><br />They did the Walmart tour, and sung with such heart. I tracked down their songwriting credits and they owned some of them, partly. Which was impressive for teenagers. The front page of google "the band perry hip to my heart" does not deliver their town hall performances, … which were authentic. <br /><br />Fitting that those best versions are hard to find, and the awful commercial videos are up.Lapidariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14233511836153600902013-02-03T08:57:58.120-08:002013-02-03T08:57:58.120-08:00Someone unthread said that hipsters spread themsel...Someone unthread said that hipsters spread themselves thin. It bears repeating, as it gets to their core. They do not like to see themselves reflected, in others. Because the shallowness of it is in fact sad. <br /><br />(Of course, if the milieu is felt as sad, then it is not shallow. People are often misconstrued as caricatures, by uh say egocentric brains, as a means of distance.)<br /><br />People strive to create an image; as opposed to striving along a heroic model.<br /><br />It seems really end game; devolving into the matrix. I know i am rambling.Lapidariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62552659818979317372013-02-03T08:40:46.950-08:002013-02-03T08:40:46.950-08:00We have no elder statesmen: we have blow dried clo...<i>We have no elder statesmen: we have blow dried clones of Rick Perry. Country music, too, was overrun by the hat acts.</i><br /><br />I may regret saying this, but it seems clear that the elder statesmen are you and me. Figuratively speaking. All the intelligent discourse is on blogs, and nothing else matters.<br /><br />This is a nation without heroes. Or, Who are the heroes. Hollywood action heroes, or football players. To repeat someone else's joke, this American life is become a Far Side panel.<br /><br />But to repeat, who could be pointed to as a hero, in this life. Politicians, entertainers? For awhile there were heros in art, perhaps. Neil Young, Frank Herbert, or Robert Pirsig?<br /><br />And this is not off the topic, by the way. Obviously hipsters are about identity that is defined … with what … in opposition to traditional authority? The character in the skinny jeans, his whole act, is non-threatening. A hipster fashion here of late is goofy cartoon imagery. Literally dressing up in a cartoon image, complete with appurtenance and duck bill fixtures. And interesting, this look is not the sole purview of the white male. Women and blacks are following suit, into that realm. Lots of young blacks, those who aspire off the street, do the cartoon thing. Women too.<br /><br />Country music. Or my goodness god. As an exercise in frustration, try to track down the lyricists to hit country songs. Can hardly be found. Talk about repackaging and redefining values and mores. Wood ducks and channel cat, i'm a little more country that that. <br /><br />I did not know who is Rick Perry; paid political class is truly the root of all evil. There is an authentic country act called The Band Perry, incidentally, they have had i think two hits. Real chops those kids.Lapidariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84251802842835411642013-02-02T05:51:10.526-08:002013-02-02T05:51:10.526-08:00This shows that La County itself is more class spi...This shows that La County itself is more class spilt then Orange County which is a overprice middle class area with lots of poverty in Santa Ana and Anahiem. And rich coastial communties and some rich inland areas like Coto and Yorba Linda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21589492987510177302013-02-02T00:42:45.028-08:002013-02-02T00:42:45.028-08:00If Florida is a California without ideas, as the a...If Florida is a California without ideas, as the adage goes, then perhaps California is a Florida without style. After all, Miami Beach is where Gianni Versace gave his life for his art.Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64008752861087588942013-02-01T21:13:03.693-08:002013-02-01T21:13:03.693-08:00Service jobs are interesting here its not all Hisp...Service jobs are interesting here its not all Hispanic, since there are poorer black tracts or asian tracts here. In fact it proves that Hispanics could be replaced in service jobs like food prepartion. Clerical is probably mixed by all four ethnic groups. Granted, since Orange County is included Retail and clerical can refer to Whites as much as Asians and Hispanics. Food prepartion in Orange County is probably mainly Hispanic though unless its fancy chiefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79500939817545630142013-02-01T20:46:54.234-08:002013-02-01T20:46:54.234-08:00Also, one more observation the creative class area...Also, one more observation the creative class area will prevent the expanison of the service class and working class in the La area hence the slower growth in Hisapnics and Afro-Americans decline and some poorer asians or more moderate income minorities moving into the Inland Empire. As Steve stated before even with the high tax system La can still import the creative class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79955714829321474512013-02-01T20:12:52.688-08:002013-02-01T20:12:52.688-08:00Well, I said several times that the factory worker...Well, I said several times that the factory workers were Hispanic and I think those tracts are Hispanic with maybe El Monte being Hispanc or Asian a lot of lower class Asians moved into El Monte.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42909067207561254382013-02-01T19:48:14.722-08:002013-02-01T19:48:14.722-08:00Los Angeles media, politics, business and sense of...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Los Angeles media, politics, business and sense of place <br /><br /><br />Jim Hahn <br /><br />Former mayor in a happy time of life <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Salma Hayek <br /><br />She likes Garcetti for mayor <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Front<br />Media<br />Politics<br />Biz<br />Place<br />Books<br />Arts<br />Sports<br />Native Intelligence<br />Gallery<br />About<br />Archive<br /> <br /><br />Media people<br /> TV<br /> Obits<br /> Campaign 2013<br /> Morning Buzz<br /> Veronique de Turenne<br /> Weather<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Everything published: Past 24 hours 48 hours Week | Send a news tip Follow on Twitter<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Bio • Email • Archive<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Here's how to map L.A.'s separation of classes<br /><br /> By Mark Lacter | January 29, 2013 4:01 PM <br /><br />Share on linkedinShare on facebookMore Sharing Services<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br />Neighborhood (Census Tract #) Creative Class Share<br /> Turtle Rock/UC Irvine, Orange County (626.29) 84.3%<br /> Laurel Canyon, Hollywood (1941.02) 79.5%<br /> Woodland Hills (1375.04) 78.1%<br /> Westwood (2651) 78.0%<br /> North of Montana, Santa Monica (7012.01) 77.9%<br /> South Pasadena (4635) 77.7%<br /> Rancho Park, Palms (2693) 77.4%<br /> Los Feliz (882.02) 76.7%<br /> South Arroyo, Pasadena (4638) 76.6%<br /> Cheviot Hills, Palms (2695) 76.0%<br /> Metro Average 34.1%<br /><br />Top 10 service locations...<br /><br />Neighborhood (Census Tract #) Service Class Share<br /> Cal Poly Pomona (4024.04) 82.3%<br /> USC, West Adams-Expo Park (2227) 79.5%<br /> Bixby Village, Long Beach (5746.01) 79.4%<br /> Park Mesa Heights, Crenshaw (2349.01) 78.3%<br /> Silver Lake/Chinatown (2071.02) 74.9%<br /> Silver Lake/Chinatown (2071.03) 71.5%<br /> North Hollywood (1241.03) 71.1%<br /> Hollywood Heights (1902.01) 69.0%<br /> Cambodia Town, Long Beach (5764.01) 68.9%<br /> Hollywood (1908.01) 68.8%<br /> Metro Average 46.3%<br /><br />Top 10 working class districts...<br /><br />Neighborhood (Census Tract #) Working Class Share<br /> Westlake (2089.02) 69.9%<br /> Whiteman Airport, Pacoima (1047.03) 65.0%<br /> Central Alameda, South Park (2287.10) 62.9%<br /> Pixley Park, Maywood (5333) 62.2%<br /> El Monte (4333.02) 59.8%<br /> Westlake (2084.01) 59.1%<br /> Cudahy (5344.03) 58.9%<br /> South Park (2240.10) 58.6%<br /> Central Alemeda, South Park (2281) 58.2%<br /> South Figueroa, South Park (2284.10) 57.3%<br /> Metro Average 19.5%<br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14934212096264346742013-02-01T19:46:08.903-08:002013-02-01T19:46:08.903-08:00Here's how to map L.A.'s separation of cla...Here's how to map L.A.'s separation of classes<br /><br /> By Mark Lacter | January 29, 2013 4:01 PM <br /><br />Share on linkedinShare on facebookMore Sharing Services<br /> <br /><br /><br />These Census tracts tell you a lot about the area's haves and have nots. The creative class, made up of folks in science and technology, business and management, arts, culture, media and entertainment, law, and healthcare, all live in the purple-shaded areas (notice the concentrations along the coast, western San Fernando Valley, and San Gabriel Valley). The service class, which covers workers in food service and preparation, retail sales, and clerical and administrative positions, are in red (concentrated in central L.A., the eastern SFV, portions of the South Bay, and inland Long Beach). And the working class, which include those with factory and construction jobs, are in blue (just a smattering of Census tracts). The creative class makes up 34.1 percent of L.A. area workers, slightly higher than the national average, according to an analysis by The Atlantic's Richard Florida. The service class is at 46.3 percent and the working class 19.5 percent. These breakdowns are not especially surprising, but the map's shadings offer a dramatic relief to what's become one of the most polarized regions of the country. Going back to the 1940s and 1950s, it wasn't neary this way; the working class made up a far larger percentage of the labor force. Would any of the candidates for mayor care to take a crack at this? Of the creative class, Florida writes:<br /><br />In the city, there is a major creative class cluster stretching from Hollywood, Bel Air, and Westwood, where UCLA is located, to the beach community of Venice, and a small cluster near downtown, especially around USC. For the metro broadly, the creative class stretches out along the coast from Santa Monica, home to the RAND Corporation and Milken Institute to Malibu on the north; and, Manhattan Beach to Palos Verdes; south from Huntington Beach and Newport Beach to Irvine, home to the University of California, Irvine, Laguna Beach and Dana Point; as well Pasadena, home to Caltech and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.<br /><br />[CUT]<br /><br />Following the pattern we saw in the first post in this series on New York, L.A. too is divided and segmented by class. But unlike New York's pattern, with its heavy creative class concentration at the core in Manhattan and surrounding parts of Brooklyn and Jersey City, L.A.'s creative class, much of which is no doubt affiliated with the film and television industry, is more spread out along the coast. That said, L.A.'s class geography does not conform to a typical urban-suburban pattern, with lower-wage service workers concentrated in the urban core and the more affluent creative class at the suburban fringe. The pattern of creative class clustering seen in New York does carry over but is expressed in different forms. There are creative class pockets in the city and its downtown as well as in coastal suburbs.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77068016838592792632013-02-01T11:54:29.713-08:002013-02-01T11:54:29.713-08:00My prediction:La,Orange and San Diego less Hispani...My prediction:La,Orange and San Diego less Hispanic than the Inland Empire. Most of the coastial counties legal and illegal immirgants and their children lived in the older housing and there is no room to built new housing. Unlike the state report that looks at only births and deaths it doesn't predict more and more Hispanics moving out of the expensive coastial counties to the less expensive inland counties as much. Right now, high unemployment is keeping the Hispanics in the coastial counties that have a car from moving as much.If immirgation is shifting from Hispanic to Asian the coastial counties by the 2020's well have less Hispanics with babies and older Hispanics might join their children in the Inland Empire. Prediction by 2060 Riverside and San Bernadino will be 65 percen Hispanic and the state 52 to 55 while La, Orange and San Diego will be maybe as low as 45 precent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77498678532075745592013-02-01T10:16:57.062-08:002013-02-01T10:16:57.062-08:00Steve, I suggest an iSteve piece about the popular...Steve, I suggest an iSteve piece about the popularity of very high-heeled shoes and boots among the younger generation of women.<br /><br /><i>These boots are made for walkin'...</i>David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46827475952220506212013-01-31T20:58:07.226-08:002013-01-31T20:58:07.226-08:00For all of you recommending Silver Lake for findin...For all of you recommending Silver Lake for finding LA hipsters: I saw a band there this weekend after seeing the exact same band in a similar club in Seattle, so I can make a reasonably scientific comparison of hipster levels.<br /><br />Silver Lake is more hipster than the rest of LA, but compared to somewhere like Seattle or even New York it's at like 10% hipster power. <br /><br />I was very disappointed; I like hipster watching. All mocking aside, hipster girls look lovely. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34029484476627369952013-01-31T19:32:39.727-08:002013-01-31T19:32:39.727-08:00Oddly enough they were the leaders for the left in...<i>Oddly enough they were the leaders for the left in the 1960's like Tom Hayden was born in 1937 or 1939.</i><br /><br />Tom Hayden was an exceptional case, being non-Scots Irish. <br /><br />The Berkeley Free Speech Movement and Students for a Democratic Society were dominated by peepul who had something in common with conservative radio talker Michael "Savage" Weinstein. "Red diaper babies," he calls 'em ... Children of the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg set.<br /><br /><i>A foggy August night in SF is often 62*, balmy. </i><br /><br />It was 56 degrees F. and breezy in SF at about 9:00 AM July 4, 1986. I was there.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13223983322730402422013-01-31T12:23:38.258-08:002013-01-31T12:23:38.258-08:00One tuck over the line
LOL. It strikes me that I...<i>One tuck over the line</i><br /><br />LOL. It strikes me that I've never heard the song on any oldies station, yet they play White Rabbit. Why is that? helene edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73484812041723850042013-01-31T12:09:21.967-08:002013-01-31T12:09:21.967-08:00Not fashion but a lot of liberals notice the most ...Not fashion but a lot of liberals notice the most conservative generation is the silence generation between the late 1920'a and early 1940's. Oddly enough they were the leaders for the left in the 1960's like Tom Hayden was born in 1937 or 1939. Reagan actually did good with these folks and they were the biggest supporters of prop 13.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13268566723885362452013-01-31T10:37:39.106-08:002013-01-31T10:37:39.106-08:00I saw the Ramones playing in the early 1990s, one ...I saw the Ramones playing in the early 1990s, one of their last shows I think. The audience wasnt exactly hipster, wrong era. We were all dressed in black, leather jackets, black jeans etc and there was one guy there in a dark suit, white shirt, dark tie, neat short hair - obviously came straight from work. I looked at him and realized he was the coolest guy there by a mile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43856922276065655822013-01-31T06:52:30.563-08:002013-01-31T06:52:30.563-08:00Also, the hipster made parts of La expensive and s...Also, the hipster made parts of La expensive and some Hispanics left and according to Joel Konklin a big immirgant supporter even Hispanic kids are dropping in the La are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89756025841958299362013-01-31T06:38:01.772-08:002013-01-31T06:38:01.772-08:00Well, maybe that's why Hispanics in La birthra...Well, maybe that's why Hispanics in La birthrate is dropping, some of the younger ones in places like North Hollywood copying whites. Maybe a good trend after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88368526264116430752013-01-31T06:21:17.807-08:002013-01-31T06:21:17.807-08:00"I knew exactly why the process isn't mor..."I knew exactly why the process isn't more advanced yet- Bushwick is still a little too "Vibrant" for the hipster scene, from the looks of things."<br /><br />They live in Bushwick out of necessity. Billyburg's just too expensive these days for the young'uns. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41319980278415575312013-01-30T21:57:32.597-08:002013-01-30T21:57:32.597-08:00Steve I think your age is showing with this post!
...Steve I think your age is showing with this post!<br /><br />LA is dripping with hipsters. You seem to be confusing hipster with grunge.<br /><br />I'm surprised you haven't noticed the huge Hispanic trend of skinny males wearing skinny jeans etc. There are plenty of them around Valley Village/North Hollywood which is my best guess as to where you live. Hispanic kids not being overweight is a real change. Even a lot of the girls are starting to be a lot skinnier after not paying attention to the hipster ethic for years.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33148623015249194532013-01-30T21:51:31.336-08:002013-01-30T21:51:31.336-08:00classic iSteve: "I just checked outside and d...classic iSteve: "I just checked outside and don't see any 'hipsters', ergo Los Angeles doesn't have any."<br /><br />And of course he lives in the northwest end of the entertainment industry sprawl, which even the trust-fundiest trucker-hatted youths can't afford. Try going downtown--they've colonized the triangle below the library and Little Tokyo completely (formerly part of Greater Skid Row)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62976511521271741132013-01-30T21:25:46.890-08:002013-01-30T21:25:46.890-08:00Haha, never thought I would hear the hypothesis th...Haha, never thought I would hear the hypothesis that Los Angeles is lacking in hipsters. We've got hipsters oozing out our 28 waist jeans here. <br /><br />Hipsters wear a "selective uniform" that is amplified during certain hours and in accordance with weather conditions. I've seen hipsters meld in quite well at some blazing hot music festivals over the past year. They were conspicuous by their horrible pasty complexions and Concentration Camp-style emaciation.<br /><br />I work with some hipsters who naturally don the corporate costume during the day but are clearly discernible by their horrible beards and weird combination of corpora-dandy wear.<br /><br />As previous commenters noted, just hang out/drive through Silver Lake, Echo Park, even downtown's Art District, and you'll see more hipsters than you ever want to see in your life.Socially Extincthttp://www.phoenixism.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72483747799727921942013-01-30T19:04:49.116-08:002013-01-30T19:04:49.116-08:00In what SoCal do you live? LA is the perfect clima...In what SoCal do you live? LA is the perfect climate for fashion. High 60s, low 70s are ideal suit weather for men, if you're in the shade.<br /><br />You can't blame the bad fashion out there on the weather. It's a slovenly culture and it always has been.<br /><br />There's no place that produces less of beauty or value given its population size and wealth than SoCal and it has always been thus, even when it was a whitopia. Cowen's list of best things San Diego was absurdly funny.William Bootnoreply@blogger.com