tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5481172467163136916..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Crimean problem practically solved, Part IIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21056891525736243302014-03-07T03:00:55.365-08:002014-03-07T03:00:55.365-08:00I realise I didn't make clear that I was refer...I realise I didn't make clear that I was referring above to Ukrainian nationalist anti-Soviet partisans killed by Soviet forces and killing pro-Soviet (or probably just wanting to live in peace) collaborators.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41730968393952990432014-03-06T02:39:57.095-08:002014-03-06T02:39:57.095-08:00Looking up the Ukrainian resistance on Wikipedia I...Looking up the Ukrainian resistance on Wikipedia I found that the Ukrainian government has encouraged locals who wanted to put up memorials to fallen partisans and in response people in other parts of Ukraine put up memorials to local "collaborators" killed by the partisans. The problem in Ukraine seems to be the exact opposite of most nationalities - where it is easy to differentiate a Pole from a German, the question of whether somebody is Russian, Ukrainian, Galician or Ruthenian seems to be a matter of who is counting.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25766866423392623092014-03-05T17:08:57.099-08:002014-03-05T17:08:57.099-08:00Actually, these folks in Galicia have barely had a...<i> Actually, these folks in Galicia have barely had a relationship with Russia. </i><br /><br />Incorrect. What Greater-Russia apologists have trouble remembering is that *everyone* living East of Trieste has had (collectively speaking) a very, shall we say, intimate relationship with Russia over the last couple of generations. Do you honestly think that people in Prague and Budapest, who are even farther away, have barely had a relationship with Russia? <br /><br />I know too little of the specifics of the Bandera-boosters' claims to endorse or criticize them, but when it comes to proclaiming a loud 'NO' to whatever it is that Moscow is offering this time around, I think any rational person can certainly sympathize.HAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85415003280979570302014-03-05T11:55:36.409-08:002014-03-05T11:55:36.409-08:00I though that the strategic purpose was to reduce ...<i>I though that the strategic purpose was to reduce Iraq to a militarily impotent shell, which has been done.</i><br /><br />Yeah, but it was quite easy to achieve, because already before the war Iraq had been a militarily impotent shell.reiner Torhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870196532441237336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80637140785498436502014-03-05T11:36:50.405-08:002014-03-05T11:36:50.405-08:00Are you claiming that the GHC convinced a large nu...<i>Are you claiming that the GHC convinced a large number (probably hundreds of thousands to millions) of Russians that they were not in fact Russian but another Slavic identity?<br /><br />If you are, then the Soviets must have been envious with how easy the Germans could fabricate an ethnic group in short order, while the Soviets failed to re-russify them.</i><br /><br />The Soviet policy was <b>Ukrainization</b> in the 1920s (until 1931), so it was not merely a few months but at least 14 years that needed to be reversed. In Galicia it was even worse (for the Russians), because people there had never been under Russian rule before 1939, and when they met Russian soldiers (first during the First World War), they quickly realized they spoke a different language and had a different (even if broadly similar) culture.<br /><br />Also even after 1931, Ukrainian language was still compulsory throughout the Ukraine (not much, a few classes a week, but still), and in the 1960s there was a short period when there was some encouragement of Ukrainian culture and language. Moreover, any person (and his descendants) who in the 1920s was registered as Ukrainian nationality retained that identity in the Soviet IDs (and nobody could change that voluntarily), so Ukrainian identity was perpetuated by that nationality registration of Soviet times as well.<br /><br />All in all, the word Ukrainian is a recent invention, but Ruthenians have never been exactly Russians (at least since the Middle Ages), their different identity was not exactly a modern invention, etc. Of course, just as North Germans (who also spoke mutually unintelligible dialects from South Germans) could adapt (or rather, retain from the Middle Ages) a German identity and High German language (except for North Germans in the Low Countries, who now call themselves Dutch), so Ukrainians could have adapted a Russian identity and language. Many Eastern Ukrainians seem to have done so (not perfectly), but no Western Ukrainians.reiner Torhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870196532441237336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44265281949825725272014-03-05T10:25:35.571-08:002014-03-05T10:25:35.571-08:00There hasn't been an invasion of Crimea, just ...There hasn't been an invasion of Crimea, just an incident of peaceful mass immigration by Rothbardian immigrants from Russia into Ukraine.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389602137217799305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49621080881435964292014-03-05T07:18:11.331-08:002014-03-05T07:18:11.331-08:00"If America were still a WASP-dominated natio..."If America were still a WASP-dominated nation, would we have pushed for this type of Euro unity?"<br /><br />The people behind the EU aren't pushing for Euro unity in the positive sense.<br /><br />They're trying to *prevent* healthy Euro unity through corralling the Euro countries in an organization that is designed to destroy them by promoting and enforcing replacement levels of mass immigration.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8760204877971572792014-03-05T06:50:50.217-08:002014-03-05T06:50:50.217-08:00Its interesting that the press in recent days has ...Its interesting that the press in recent days has taken to using phrases like the following:<br /><br />"On the verge of economic collapse, Ukraine accused Russia of a military invasion after pro-Russian troops took over Crimea on Saturday"<br />http://news.yahoo.com/diplomatic-exit-ukraine-talks-15b-125722317.html<br /><br />Note that the troops are not said to be Russian troops, but "pro-Russian".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54533608829234629082014-03-05T06:45:52.574-08:002014-03-05T06:45:52.574-08:00Anon:
Are you claiming that the GHC convinced a l...Anon:<br /><br /><i>Are you claiming that the GHC convinced a large number (probably hundreds of thousands to millions) of Russians that they were not in fact Russian but another Slavic identity? </i><br /><br />GHC used existing ideologies, ethnogensis, and linguistic orthography that had been developing under Polish and Austrian tutelage in Galicia and to a lesser extent Volhynia, and especially under the Greek Catholic Church to create a new Ukrainian nation on top of the existing people called by most of the world Malorossian (Little Russian), and called by themselves Rusyn, and attempted to export this ideological package eastwards as far towards Astrakhan as they could make it go in the chaos of 1917-1918.<br /><br />Why do you suppose the current revolution had to import its street-fighters from L'viv to K'yiv? Why can't they find any in Kharkiv, Odessa, and Donetsk?<br /><br /><i>If you are, then the Soviets must have been envious with how easy the Germans could fabricate an ethnic group in short order, while the Soviets failed to re-russify them.</i><br /><br />How did the Soviets fail? Most people in Ukraine don't speak Ukrainian in every day life, the vast majority of print media is in Russia, and Ukrainian is used in broadcasting primarily by State media organs only. Even under Ukrainian independence, it is very clear that Ukrainian ideology and language is in the main confined to Galicia and Volhynia and nearby regions.<br /><br /><i>If not, then what are you writing about? If the people that today call themselves Ukrainian are descendents of a differently named non-Russian Slavic group then they must have lived somewhere and presumably it was in what is now western Ukraine.</i><br /><br />They weren't non-Russian. They called themselves Rusyns.<br /><br />Especially prior to the construction of national "proper" languages and the separate written forms, languages within a linguistic group exist along a spectrum of gradual change in everyday speech, such that people of neighboring towns usually can easily understand each other, but people on opposite sides of a large country cannot without some difficulty. Thus in German going down the Rhine from Rotterdam, the speech of Rotterdam and is close to Duisburg which is close to Cologne and then to Frankfurt, Freiburg, Schaffhausen, and Chur. But people in Chur basically cannot understand those in Rotterdam. Slavic spoken languages exist on a similar gradient from east to west of gradual changes. If one went from Arkhangelsk to Rybinskto Moscow to Bryansk to K'yiv to Zhitomyr to L'viv to Mukachevo to Kosice to Bratislava, mutual intelligibility would always be present town to town, but there is no question that people in Bratislava could speak to those in Arkhangelsk except with an interpreter.<br /><br />Ukrainiansm, as you say, is a distillation of the self-conscious ethnic identity of the western Ukraine area and an attempt to impose linguistic, cultural, and religious uniformity based on the standards of this area over as many mutually comprehensible Slavic speakers as possible via the same methodology that created notions of a "German" nation speaking Standard High German, or an "Italian" nation speaking Florentine Italian.<br /><br />Ukrainianism is hindered in that it is a national construct only dating back to 1918 as something separate from the overall Russian nation, not having the long past of German history and unity back to Carolingian times, for example, or Italian history and unity back to the days of the Roman Empire, and many people tot he east don't particularly care for or identify with the Galicians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68664868773802090402014-03-05T05:50:49.130-08:002014-03-05T05:50:49.130-08:00Dearieme:"Afghanistan has been a defeat beyon...Dearieme:"Afghanistan has been a defeat beyond argument."<br /><br />Doesn't that depend on what the goal was in Afghanistan?<br /><br /><br />Dearime:" I'd say that Iraq is a defeat too, since whatever the strategic purpose was, it wasn't achieved, and the USA had to pay tribute to local warlords to extract its troops safely."<br /><br />I though that the strategic purpose was to reduce Iraq to a militarily impotent shell, which has been done.<br /><br />Dearime:"Unless, of course, the purpose was to make a mountain of Arab corpses, and place Iraq under domination by Iran."<br /><br />Again, if the goal was to make a weak, impotent Iraq, then the mission was a complete success.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20352886105933480742014-03-05T04:36:07.524-08:002014-03-05T04:36:07.524-08:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEGeHxF0tF4
Price...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEGeHxF0tF4<br /><br />Priceless. :D Thanks for that.Titus Didius Tacitusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48596217618847650412014-03-04T21:59:45.965-08:002014-03-04T21:59:45.965-08:00If not, then what are you writing about? If the pe...<i>If not, then what are you writing about? If the people that today call themselves Ukrainian are descendents of a differently named non-Russian Slavic group then they must have lived somewhere and presumably it was in what is now western Ukraine.</i><br /><br />This mini, off-topic thread sounds almost familiar with the, "there's no such thing as a Palestinian" argument I've been hearing for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67822647964227416052014-03-04T21:37:18.357-08:002014-03-04T21:37:18.357-08:00"Stalin decided to destroy the Crimean Tatars..."Stalin decided to destroy the Crimean Tatars, because they are not creeping people they never knew slavery. "<br /><br />They knew slavery very well, as the masters.5371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77520645122056092072014-03-04T19:54:32.161-08:002014-03-04T19:54:32.161-08:00…"White Privilege" i.e. a complaint that...<i>…"White Privilege" i.e. a complaint that is specifically and explicitly anti-white.</i><br /><br />"Same-sex marriage" is the ultimate in white privilege, but I don't see anyone on either side brave enough to mention this. Strange. Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65111200269978511292014-03-04T19:03:35.957-08:002014-03-04T19:03:35.957-08:00"Ukraine is an historical non-entity, and the..."Ukraine is an historical non-entity, and there never was a people who called themselves Ukrainians before 1918 when they were created out of wholecloth by the German High Command in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. The people are Rusyns, which is a dialectical variant of calling yourself a Rossian or Russian in English. Search as little as 100 year ago in an Encyclopedia like the Britannica or Catholic Encyclopedia, but you will find not a breath of Ukraine and Ukrainians and Ukrainian language."<br /><br />Are you claiming that the GHC convinced a large number (probably hundreds of thousands to millions) of Russians that they were not in fact Russian but another Slavic identity? <br /><br />If you are, then the Soviets must have been envious with how easy the Germans could fabricate an ethnic group in short order, while the Soviets failed to re-russify them.<br /><br />If not, then what are you writing about? If the people that today call themselves Ukrainian are descendents of a differently named non-Russian Slavic group then they must have lived somewhere and presumably it was in what is now western Ukraine.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49265584968197752782014-03-04T19:01:51.327-08:002014-03-04T19:01:51.327-08:00One thing I do not get is the Lenin statues. If th...One thing I do not get is the Lenin statues. If the Russians want us to believe that they have put the communist past behind them, they should be the first to pull them down. Why are they so worked up about the Lenins coming down?<br />A lot of East Europeans remember the Russians as communist invaders. So, Mr.Putin, tear down the Lenins!the Dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9766914639920617482014-03-04T18:36:21.088-08:002014-03-04T18:36:21.088-08:00Anon:
If America were still a WASP-dominated nati...Anon:<br /><br /><i>If America were still a WASP-dominated nation, would we have pushed for this type of Euro unity?</i><br /><br />When the world was utterly dominated by the European world in the period from about 1775 to 1945, the Anglo ascendancy of WASP's did EVERYTHING in their power to prevent any sort of general convergence from occurring. Any ridiculous excuse to start a war and keep "the Balance of Power" was used and fomented - the Crimean War, the 1875 Bosnian uprising, Gavarilo Princip, the All-Holy Sanctity of Independent Danzig.<br /><br />Doesn't that answer your question?<br /><br />The three most critical principles animating this meddling were:<br /><br />1) Prevention of any restoration of unity to the territory of the Holy Roman Empire or worse Carolingian Empire (a combined European power with Germany, Austria, Italy, Holland, and especially not France). Thus opposition to Napolean, Kaiser Wilhelm, and Hitler.<br /><br />2) Prevention of any thought of an expansive Central European Catholic Confessional State (this is what lay behind the dissolution of Austria-Hungary, but also the 1815 borders that separated Poland from Austria, kept Italy divided, did not restore Belgium to Austria, and kept divisions in Bavaria, Baden, Hesse, and placing the Rhineland with Prussia instead of Protestant Swabia where the Hohenzollerns actually hailed from; similar sentiments were behind the deligitimization of the Catholic confessional states erected by Hitler such as Slovakia, Croatia, Franco's Spain, Hungary, and Vichy France)<br /><br />3) Prevention of any chance of a united Orthodox Empire of Russia, the Orthodox Christians of the Balkans, and the Orthodox of Turkey, Syria, and Palestine (the motivation behind the Crimean War, 1878 Congress of Berlin, Balkans Wars of 1912 and 1913, Treaty of Lausanne, and the Cold War)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84851822792437890062014-03-04T18:08:18.413-08:002014-03-04T18:08:18.413-08:00neil craig:
Look at their records & see who i...neil craig:<br /><br /><i>Look at their records & see who is smarter and who wants to "throw a shitty little country against the wall" every couple of years (& getting shorter)just to show they can? </i><br /><br />Makes you wonder who is next.<br /><br />Lebanon 1982<br />Grenada 1983<br />Panama 1989<br />Iraq 1991<br />Somalia 1993<br />Haiti 1994<br />Bosnia 1995<br />Serbia 1999<br />Afghanistan 2001<br />Iraq 2003<br />Libya 2011<br />Syria 2012<br /><br />I guess the best part is that it is utterly unpredictable, and no one knows who will be next. Venezuela? Iran? Texas? Helps to keep them in line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81244970027900025322014-03-04T17:58:25.043-08:002014-03-04T17:58:25.043-08:00OT: From the Onion AV Club, but NOT satire. Capt...OT: From the Onion AV Club, but NOT satire. <a href="http://www.avclub.com/article/captain-phillips-barkhad-abdi-broke-201800" rel="nofollow"><i>Captain Phillips'</i> Barkhad Abdi is broke.</a><br /><br />From one commenter:<br /><br /><i>"For some reason I can see Sacha Baron Cohen putting him in one of his movies. I think he definitely has comedy potential if used right."</i>Anon87noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13332521308553390412014-03-04T17:57:21.137-08:002014-03-04T17:57:21.137-08:00"Racism" as a complaint is universalist ...<i><br />"Racism" as a complaint is universalist and moral and that's what was needed when White people were a minority to divide them on moral grounds but now White people are becoming a minority that is not needed any more. In fact it's a hindrance *because* it is universal and could in theory apply in favor of Whites. Hence the switch to "White Privilege" i.e. a complaint that is specifically and explicitly anti-white.</i><br /><br />Excellent point sir! (or madam of course)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29986842405517833262014-03-04T17:56:16.923-08:002014-03-04T17:56:16.923-08:00Actually it was because they cooperated with the G...<i>Actually it was because they cooperated with the Germans.</i><br /><br />And just like that well known gentile mental illness; anti-semitism, that cooperation with the Germans was completely out of nowhere, for no reason at all to do with the nature of Soviet rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3430854848705992282014-03-04T17:54:22.577-08:002014-03-04T17:54:22.577-08:00I think people shouldn't get so hung up on the...<i>I think people shouldn't get so hung up on the semantic connotations of "invasion." If my sister barricades herself in my bedroom so that I can't get in, I would have to "invade my bedroom" to take it back, wouldn't I?</i><br /><br />This is closely related to what happens with pro-immigration libs. Its a hair-splitting semantic argument they use.<br /><br />Millions of Mexicans turning up and even explicitly saying they are going to 'retake' parts of the USA isnt an invasion to libs because they dont wear Mexican army uniforms, because they arent part of some structured plan (?!) Luckily all the most unpleasant parts of the 'invasion' are hidden beyond the MSM diversity event horizon and libs can pretend they arent real.<br /><br />For these kind of libs, an invasion has to pass all sorts of contentious, nit-picking criteria. And thus an invasion isnt, somehow, an invasion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29679077930155641742014-03-04T17:21:37.667-08:002014-03-04T17:21:37.667-08:00Gorbachev's invitation was also an offer to lo...<i>Gorbachev's invitation was also an offer to look to a solution for us (Europeans) to the real problem of the modern world, the North vs the South - economic health and progress vs. unrestrained fecundity of the ignorant, rather than continued white fratricide that had befallen the previous 80 years of history.</i><br /><br />I remember when the USSR fell, I saw Sister Souljah on TV. I think it was MTV. Others were talking about how this was a momentous event that would draw the world closer together. Sister Souljah was a bit apprehensive because she wasn't sure if it would draw the world together, or draw the white world together. I can't find any reference to it online, but I was struck by her view, and wondered if other non-whites felt the same at the time.<br /><br />Though he never expressed it in those terms, I believe Pat Buchanan became sympathetic to the Russians, post USSR, for the very same reason. In fact I would have to admit that I would have liked that Euro unity to evolve as well. But obviously the people leading our nation did not share this dream.<br /><br />If America were still a WASP-dominated nation, would we have pushed for this type of Euro unity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58300315132053648902014-03-04T17:00:24.621-08:002014-03-04T17:00:24.621-08:00"Ukraine" means borderland. Its the same..."Ukraine" means borderland. Its the same as Krajina the - previously Serb inhabited bit of Croatia ethnically cleansed (with the help of US officers and German guns).<br /><br />Clearly a country with such a name feels itself more part of a greater whole than a separate nation. <br /><br />Also Kiev was the capital of the original Russian state till the Mongols left it a "pyramid of skulls". The surviving Russia congregated around Moscow, which was forested and thus relatively safe. Cavalry need open plains.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18647124387604946202014-03-04T16:17:46.223-08:002014-03-04T16:17:46.223-08:00"Afghanistan has been a defeat beyond argumen..."Afghanistan has been a defeat beyond argument"<br /><br />Not if the reason for being there was to deny the Chinese an oil pipeline from Iran. Volksverhetzernoreply@blogger.com