tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5530495057783314911..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Note to Colbert Report writers: Cousin Marriage is back in news!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91179746889615527542012-05-01T02:59:58.297-07:002012-05-01T02:59:58.297-07:00My late mother did a substantial amount of genealo...My late mother did a substantial amount of genealogy, taking several lines back to 17th C. America and beyond. Two of my ancestors (my 7th or 8th great-grandparents, iirc) were 2nd cousins, both the great-grandchildren of a man of some renown. They had 11 children (though perhaps stillbirths weren't recorded). One died, somehow, at 17. Another died in infancy, with his parents, as a result of a genetic deficiency known in layman's terms as "Injun scalping," during the 1758 raid on Friendship, Maine. The other 9 all survived well into adulthood, several of them into their early 80s. I'd add that they survived into adulthood despite the fact that many were still young when their parents were murdered, which can often be a detriment to longevity.<br /><br />First cousin marriage is, well, gross. But we've taken our repulsion to "inbreeding" to some point beyond the ridiculous. A friend was telling me about a couple she knew who discovered shortly before their wedding that they were either 4th or 5th cousins. People they knew were whispering and wondering if it was weird or "icky" or dangerous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35697221877953209312012-04-30T06:58:40.505-07:002012-04-30T06:58:40.505-07:00William II of Orange was marrried to his cousin as...William II of Orange was marrried to his cousin as was Queen Victoria.<br /><br />The English and British royal families have been doing this for ages. <br /><br />It was only when the rival Royals (Guelphs?) were doing it was wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20955475158433267082012-04-29T16:16:08.360-07:002012-04-29T16:16:08.360-07:00"And as Steve pointed out, most cousin marria...<b>"And as Steve pointed out, most cousin marriage in the west is a vehicle for chain migration that fills up western countries with hostiles from abroad, so in that context it's terrible."</b><br /><br />True, but this problem needs to be addressed directly, because otherwise the invaders will find a way around it, such as "you marry my cousin and I'll marry your cousin," etc.<br /><br />They don't want to be part of our societies. They don't want to assimilate. If all Pakistanis in Britain wanted to do was marry wanted to do was marry other ethnic Pakistanis they could do so without travelling back to Pakistan. There are about 2 million ethnic Pakistanis already in Britain - a large enough population by far to be self-sustaining, to provide an ample breeding pool.<br /><br />But they want to continue the invasion. They want to keep the native culture "fresh." And they want to help out their families abroad.<br /><br />So banning incestuous marriages isn't enough. It will only stop when the Brits say, "OK, we've had enough of the people from your shores.If you want to marry a native Pakistani, marry them and settle down in Pakistan." How many British Pakistanis would do so? Not a single one of them.<br /><br />We have to direct this invasion firectly, by cutting off immigration entirely from non-assimilable populations. Because they've only taken the indirect methods to be what they are: weakness and cowardice.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14188565241537929222012-04-29T16:08:45.852-07:002012-04-29T16:08:45.852-07:00Inbreeding brings out the qualities, bad and good,...Inbreeding brings out the qualities, bad and good, which are already there. It is essential to animal breeding, but in animal breeding, they just cull out the undesireable ones. Nature did this to the human population for millennia, but today technology and sympathy prohibit this. So inbreeding must be highly restricted.<br /><br /> It's interesting to me that of the two humans I know well who are most probably the products of incest, both are very successful people. One is a former Air Force pilot and a tenured professor and the other missed being an Olympian due to an unfortunate accident: she has three children now who are all exceptional academically and athletically in school. The first is probably mother-son incest and the second even more probably brother-sister. <br /><br />But even more common are the "Funny Looking Kids", malformed, retarded and/or disabled, from such unions. I worked in a state hospital for a while and met several such specimens. For them, abortion would have been a blessing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56266642226251940722012-04-29T15:49:36.716-07:002012-04-29T15:49:36.716-07:00anonymous said - "First cousin marriage was w...anonymous said - <i>"First cousin marriage was widespread as late as the 19th Century."</i><br /><br />g. h. darwin calculated that the <a href="http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/09/10/cousin-marriage-rates-amongst-nineteenth-century-english-and-english-jews/" rel="nofollow">first-cousin marriage rate in england</a> in the 1870s ranged from 1.5% to 4.5%, the upper classes marrying cousins more than the lower classes.<br /><br />this is as opposed to cousin marriage rates in places like <a href="http://consang.net/index.php/Global_prevalence" rel="nofollow">saudi arabia or pakistan today which are 50%+</a>.hbd chickhttp://hbdchick.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8355941233000812242012-04-29T15:43:51.325-07:002012-04-29T15:43:51.325-07:00@ads - "I agree that cousin marriage is probl...@ads - <i>"I agree that cousin marriage is problematic for a social fluidity and high trust, but the science of condemning it has always seemed suspect to me."</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2407855?uid=3738744&uid=2&uid=4&sid=47698947403317" rel="nofollow">Effect of Inbreeding on the Evolution of Altruistic Behavior by Kin Selection</a>hbd chickhttp://hbdchick.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26084901837522001762012-04-29T15:27:58.200-07:002012-04-29T15:27:58.200-07:00@melykin - "It is not just the countries wher...@melykin - <i>"It is not just the countries where cousin marriages are common that are corrupt. Russia, China, sub-Saharan Africa, South America, Mexico, and Central America are all highly corrupt."</i><br /><br /><a href="http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/medieval-russian-mating-patterns/" rel="nofollow">russia</a> and <a href="http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/abridged-history-of-cousin-marriage-in-china/" rel="nofollow">china</a> both have long histories of inbreeding or endogamous mating.<br /><br />i'm not so sure about the others, but <a href="http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/assimliation-is-a-two-way-street-or-why-endogamy-means-mexicans-will-find-it-hard-to-become-middle-class-anglos/" rel="nofollow">mexico</a>, i think, also has a long history of endogamous mating.hbd chickhttp://hbdchick.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43970278599828158692012-04-29T15:24:04.582-07:002012-04-29T15:24:04.582-07:00Anonymous said...
If Jews really did a lot of...Anonymous said...<br /><br /> If Jews really did a lot of marriage within family, they would be mocked and saddled with the "inbred" label like Southerners are.<br /><br />**********<br />Have you really looked at any photos of Anthony Weiner, or Deborah Wasserman-Schultz, or Adam Sandler, or Betty Friedan, or . . . ad nauseam?Sheilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2197288732160184582012-04-29T13:16:02.518-07:002012-04-29T13:16:02.518-07:00This is an excellent example of the things that St...This is an excellent example of the things that Steve brings up that don't even, seemingly, occur to anybody else, despite their undeniable significance for culture. It's linked and commented here:<br /><a href="http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2012/04/more-curmudgeonry.html" rel="nofollow">http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2012/04/more-curmudgeonry.html</a>Baloohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08245765878554696634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59405457945877525512012-04-29T08:26:38.841-07:002012-04-29T08:26:38.841-07:00"Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first ...<i>"Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins."</i><br /><br /><br />More evidence that inbreeding leads to low IQ!Melykinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10689240907575641082012-04-29T07:20:11.887-07:002012-04-29T07:20:11.887-07:00If Jews really did a lot of marriage within family...If Jews really did a lot of marriage within family, they would be mocked and saddled with the "inbred" label like Southerners are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50965068583529307942012-04-29T06:40:49.193-07:002012-04-29T06:40:49.193-07:00"1. blood disorder thalassaemia. Recessive tr..."1. blood disorder thalassaemia. Recessive trait. Could be avoided by eugenically mating with somone chosen because the don't have the allelle.<br /><br />2. diabetes. Not a recessive trait.<br /><br />3. breast cancer. Not a recessive trait.<br /><br />4. Down’s syndrome. Not a recessive trait. Caused by advanced maternal age. Could be avoided by eugenically having children while very young."<br /><br />2. Diabetes has a strong genetic component, though. My mother constantly watches out for the disease her mother and brother both have it. My guess is that inbreeding would amplify this effect.<br /><br />3. See reasons why diabetes is a concern in inbreeding.<br /><br />4. I'm actually surprised by this. I was under the impression that most children with Down's were born to older women, and I was also under the impression that Arab women tended to marry very young. But maybe there's a genetic disorder that makes them more prone to errors in meiosis, leading to higher rates of trisomy?Georgia Residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11993765803445241202012-04-29T06:35:12.315-07:002012-04-29T06:35:12.315-07:00In general, I would guess that whether or not inbr...In general, I would guess that whether or not inbreeding is harmful in a population depends in part on the genetic quality of that population. If especially smart, healthy relatives marry each other and are fecund, then there's probably a likelihood that they'll have smart, healthy, attractive offspring (though harmful recessives can still lurk under the surface and pop up in these pairings). So maybe the reason reason Pakistani cousin marriages produce so many sick children is that they're Pakistanis, rather than because they're inbreeders.Georgia Residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31839589888093588822012-04-29T06:25:59.657-07:002012-04-29T06:25:59.657-07:00There's a problem with the biological reductio...There's a problem with the biological reductionist view of cousin marriage. Yes, on an individual level, cousin marriage isn't all that bad. But on the society level, if lots of people have children with their cousins, and only their cousins, it tends to create countries like Iraq, with a bunch of competing clans jockeying for influence in the government (or killing each other outright).<br /><br />And as Steve pointed out, most cousin marriage in the west is a vehicle for chain migration that fills up western countries with hostiles from abroad, so in that context it's terrible.Georgia Residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2728200703415930842012-04-29T04:40:07.169-07:002012-04-29T04:40:07.169-07:00Veracitor said...
Arabs suffer from high rate of g...Veracitor said...<br /><a href="http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/09/22/85765.html" rel="nofollow">Arabs suffer from high rate of gene disorders</a><br />"several genomic diseases such as the blood disorder thalassaemia, diabetes, breast cancer and Down’s syndrome have reached epidemic levels"<br /><br />1. blood disorder thalassaemia. Recessive trait. Could be avoided by eugenically mating with somone chosen because the don't have the allelle.<br /><br />2. diabetes. Not a recessive trait.<br /><br />3. breast cancer. Not a recessive trait.<br /><br />4. Down’s syndrome. Not a recessive trait. Caused by advanced maternal age. Could be avoided by eugenically having children while very young.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71542500991748472372012-04-29T04:25:26.130-07:002012-04-29T04:25:26.130-07:00Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousin...Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71031449818535928202012-04-29T04:25:01.617-07:002012-04-29T04:25:01.617-07:00Really? Among first cousins and first uncles/niece...<i>Really? Among first cousins and first uncles/nieces?</i><br /><br />Yes.<br /><br /><i>"Uncle-niece marriages are legal in Rhode Island, but only if you are Jewish."<br /><br />Yuck, how icky is that...</i><br /><br />ANTI-SEMITE!!!<br /><br /><i>Polygamy is next.</i><br /><br />But only if you're Muslim.<br /><br /><i>Nope. Polygyny is eugenic. The powers that be are pushing dysgenics.</i><br /><br />I think you'll find I've solved that above.<br /><br /><i>I think you will find that Rhode Island's special dispensation for Jews to marry their cousins is explained by anti-Semitism. Because Jews were a very small community, and were discriminated against, Gentile bigotry sometimes left them no other option but to marry their cousins.</i><br /><br />Wait, you really were serious...<br /><br />Why does ANTI-SEMITISM!!! never keep them where they're welcome?<br /><br />P.S., Jews erected the wall of bigotry and racism between the world and themselves. Hence its ubiquity.<br /><i>Baer tells of the CIA employee who was a US-born Indian of a certain caste. He failed the polygraph on the calibration question of whether he had sex with his female relatives. It turned out that because no women of his caste were available, he was copulating with his mother and sister.</i><br /><br />Wrong Wrong WRONG!!! It was heathen bigotry.<br /><br /><i>The CIA cashiered him</i><br /><br />See?<br /><br /><i>On the other hand, our objection to endogamy has gone a bit too far when people find it repulsive when 3rd or 4th cousins marry [...] probably not much riskier than marrying someone of the same ethnic group.</i><br /><br />Right. Isn't a random member of the same race (or was it ethnic group?) roughly as related to you as a 4th cousin?Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60247564550521851302012-04-29T04:20:31.794-07:002012-04-29T04:20:31.794-07:00The whole pop culture meme of: "inbreeding ca...The whole pop culture meme of: "inbreeding causes retardation and flippers and hillbillies and <b><i>DELIVERENCE</i></b>" comes from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain" rel="nofollow">Charles II of Spain</a> who had a pituitary hormone deficiency and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_lip#Mandibular_prognathism_.28progenism.29" rel="nofollow">mandibular prognathism aka Hapsburg lip</a>.<br><br>So... six thousand years of recorded history and billions of people inbreeding but there was one guy 300 years ago with a deformity. <br /><br />Sort of like genetic parthenogenesis, marry a cousin and your DNA will rearrange itself to give children genes for deformities which neither of the parents have.<br /><br />Search Charles II spain inbreeding:<br />"The Role of Inbreeding in the Extinction of a European<br />Royal Dynasty"<br />"Inbreeding May Have Doomed Spain's Habsburg Dynasty"<br />"Inbreeding brought down Spain's Habsburgs: study | Reuters"<br />"How inbreeding killed off a line of kings"<br /><br />As if it's highly unusual for a royal family to be inbred. Every royal family in europe at the time was simarly inbred. Every royal family in the world at that time was inbred. Everey royal family since recorded history was inbred.<br /><br />But if one royal family out of thousands has a genetic disorder, then it must be because they are inbred, even though they all are.<br /><br />And heres the punchline:<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prognathism#Mandibular_prognathism_.28progenism.29" rel="nofollow">mandibular prognathism aka Hapsburg lip</a> is <br /><i><a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0012678" rel="nofollow">autosomal dominant</a></i>. <br /><a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/slideshow.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0012678&imageURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0012678.g002" rel="nofollow">pic</a><br /><br />The archetype of the 'inbreeding expresses recessive traits turning you into deformed <b><i>DELIVERENCE</i></b> people is actually a dominant trait.<br /><br />In real life mental retardation can caused outbreeding with someone of a different blood type. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.healthofchildren.com/E-F/Erythroblastosis-Fetalis.html" rel="nofollow">Erythroblastosis fetalis </a><br />"Rh disease and ABO incompatibility disease are caused when a mother's immune system produces antibodies against the red blood cells of her unborn child. The antibodies cause the baby's red blood cells to be destroyed and the baby develops anemia."<br />"Babies who survive pregnancy may develop kernicterus, which can lead to deafness, speech problems, cerebral palsy , or mental retardation ."<br /><br />Hillbillies in the appellation mountains would have a relatively higher percentage of rh negative blood and therefore would have a higer amount of rh incompatibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90762325226143069792012-04-29T04:05:37.942-07:002012-04-29T04:05:37.942-07:00I believe Ashk. cousin marriage is covered in Efro...I believe Ashk. cousin marriage is covered in Efron's Defenders of the Race--around 7% at the end of the 19C in the shtetlach of the Pale, in part due to small population size in such towns. The phenomenon has since declined to insignificance--around 1% perhaps--and the orthodox are notoriously disciplined about genetic screening. Compare this to 50-70% for many Muslim communities. Bittles is doing a very serious disservice for Muslim groups with his apology. Many Muslims quite literally do not understand the hazards of consanguinity and engage in the practice out of habit and ignorance. I know of cases in which changes in marriage partner were made at the last minute due to education of the dangers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28687168534794061282012-04-29T02:53:13.981-07:002012-04-29T02:53:13.981-07:00At this rate, Sailer will be saying the Pope, Cast...At this rate, Sailer will be saying the Pope, Castro, Chavez, Steven Spielberg, and the Japanese Prime Minister are also readers of his blog.<br /><br />If only... the world would be a much better and saner placeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24756951448670886602012-04-29T02:51:40.435-07:002012-04-29T02:51:40.435-07:00"True, but the Ashkenazim are also famously c..."True, but the Ashkenazim are also famously cancer-prone and susceptible to a number of other diseases that are almost certainly hereditary."<br /><br />Yeah, my Grandma(Irish Catholic) has Crohns disease. I went to a get-together regarding this disease and we were the only ones whe weren´t Jewish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78818692189476976192012-04-29T02:35:56.602-07:002012-04-29T02:35:56.602-07:00"Bradford has three times the national rate a..."Bradford has three times the national rate among children for disabilities including deafness and blindness."<br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9714000/9714582.stm<br /><br />But the benefits are great, because it keeps the migration chain going. A UK passport is a great benefit - why not keep it in the family?<br /><br />"Families in Bradford are still arranging marriages and choosing brides and grooms among their extended family back home - one in four children in the study had a parent brought over for marriage."<br /><br />I imagine that when the first immigrants to the UK earned enough to take a holiday in the old country and visit family, their tales that the government would pay you to have children (and the more you had, the more money you got) would probably have been greeted with the same kind of incredulity that doubtless met 16th-century UK sailors, reporting that West Africans would pay with bags of gold dust for knives, combs and mirrors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77173682245736964932012-04-29T02:06:48.622-07:002012-04-29T02:06:48.622-07:00"and then having the taxpayers pay for a life..."and then having the taxpayers pay for a lifetime of care for the offspring with birth defects?"<br /><br />In the UK, birth defects among the offspring of the cousin-marriage set (mostly Pakistani & Bangladeshi) are apparently ten times those in the general population, so this is certainly an issue. From what I can tell though, it is the repeated multi-generational required cousin marriage that causes this. The occasional first cousin marriage among Anglo-Saxons does not seem to have the same effect.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82280882031049835052012-04-29T00:58:24.130-07:002012-04-29T00:58:24.130-07:00"So why are we bringing in vast numbers of im...<i>"So why are we bringing in vast numbers of immigrants from dysfunction hell holes?"</i><br /><br />Because racism is evil.<br /><br />Because preferring your own culture to a foreign own is eveil.<br /><br />Because believing that America should exist for the benefit of Americans is evil.<br /><br />Because the big business "Right" and the anti-American Left want it that way.<br /><br />An intelligent culture is strength. In the absence of an intelligent, well-defined culture you get consumerism. Business likes that, too.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46034665532473386402012-04-29T00:57:44.273-07:002012-04-29T00:57:44.273-07:00"It's a scientific problem, not a politic..."It's a scientific problem, not a political problem."<br /><br />It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!<br /><br />Cousin marriage, schmousin marriage. The real issue is that people from these cultures simply don't belong here in any large numbers simply because they're too foreign from us. This is the West, and we are the Westerners and they are not.<br /><br />They have no love or loyalty for us. They just showed up to grab our stuff.<br /><br />The subcons kicked out the British because the British were simply Not Them.<br /><br />Time for Britain to return the favor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com