tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5673657711088831709..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Explaining the Flynn Effect?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30415760648407517282013-11-17T04:58:45.307-08:002013-11-17T04:58:45.307-08:00To me, IQ tests of any kind are only a judge of ho...To me, IQ tests of any kind are only a judge of how a person takes tests rather than a correct judgment of a person's real intelligence. <br /><br />There are genius's out there who can not take tests, but who have demonstrated their super-intelligence through life and life experiences, yet there are those who score high on IQ tests and I wouldn't want them to be on a desert island with me. <br /><br />A test is a test is a test and nothing shows us a human being more than just being present with that human being and observing how the person handles crisis ,every day life, real problems and how they use their intelligence to peacefully , creatively solve those real problems without creating more problems. 3<br />theyoushowhttp://theyoushowblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34578648807647830162013-11-08T10:29:36.944-08:002013-11-08T10:29:36.944-08:00One doesn't see this sort of exceptional perfo...One doesn't see this sort of exceptional performance in the Indians who grind out spelling bee victories.<br /><br />Possibly these distinctions would be useful:<br /><br />1) Ability to follow a rule.<br /><br />2) Ability to pick which rule to follow<br /><br />3) Ability to figure out new and useful rules.<br /><br /><br /><br />By rules I'm also including noticing patterns. Grinds are very good at 1. Give 'em a list of vocab to study, and they will study the sh*t outa that list. They're not very good at figuring out what's a good idea. Regular smart people are pretty good at 1 and good at 2. People who are extremely good at 3 are geniuses. I can learn Fourier transforms by studying hard, but Fourier didn't study the sh*t outa a book on Fourier transforms. He found very useful rules where no one expected them.<br /><br />Contrasting grinding Indian spelling-bee winners and Elijah makes the importance of filtering out grinds for top schools.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20715264788156831422013-11-08T10:15:16.437-08:002013-11-08T10:15:16.437-08:00The game Set! is almost exactly a practice for Rav...The game Set! is almost exactly a practice for Raven's. There, they explicitly tell you the acceptable rules, so you can be taught what you should be looking for.<br /><br /><br />Alicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3208790762728076142013-11-08T09:36:14.983-08:002013-11-08T09:36:14.983-08:00We have IQ test numbers from lots of people who se...We have IQ test numbers from lots of people who served in the military back in WWII and the Cold War. Has anyone done a follow-up study on them? My observation is that the people that the US WWII military considered +1 to +2 sigma still strike me as +1 to +2 sigma and so forth.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85344536653515072662013-11-08T04:34:58.103-08:002013-11-08T04:34:58.103-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81775113435175073852013-11-08T04:14:24.032-08:002013-11-08T04:14:24.032-08:00"I'm really confused as to how this isn&#..."I'm really confused as to how this isn't the easiest to prep for and the least "g-loaded". Aren't you just memorizing simple facts here?"<br /><br />General knowledge questions can be prepped for by reading a lot and thereby increasing the likelihood that what you have studied shows up on a test, but the post was specifically discussing the detection of rules rather than addressing prepping more broadly. When it comes to general knowledge you typically either know the answer or you don't. Occasionally the multiple choice options can you tip you off or trigger a memory that improves the odds of guessing correctly but this is really stretching the definition of 'rule detection.' Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70385940176744132382013-11-08T04:00:53.463-08:002013-11-08T04:00:53.463-08:00"p.s. Children who play computer games develo..."p.s. Children who play computer games developed skills of concentration - but about killing? "<br /><br />It helps develop proficiency and confidence in problem-solving, not killing. How many computer geeks can even throw a punch? Some surely can, but it's not what they're known for.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79569985498235195192013-11-08T01:25:24.519-08:002013-11-08T01:25:24.519-08:00this little dude's blog can't be real. a 1...this little dude's blog can't be real. a 15 year old is writing this stuff?jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34992211243246632152013-11-07T22:51:02.205-08:002013-11-07T22:51:02.205-08:00In comparing dogs and rabbits, do you get 3 points...In comparing dogs and rabbits, do you get 3 points for saying that they're both four-legged mammals that are sometimes adopted as pets?Flicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46166154673923755412013-11-07T21:18:00.600-08:002013-11-07T21:18:00.600-08:00I had always assumed the Flynn effect was uniform ...I had always assumed the Flynn effect was uniform over the various sub-tests. I didn't know there were drastic differences among them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90988478800811641562013-11-07T19:59:13.170-08:002013-11-07T19:59:13.170-08:00it is indeed a brilliant article - he nailed it
O...<i>it is indeed a brilliant article - he nailed it</i><br /><br />One of the most densely written articles I had read. And completely not necessarily so. It's not like the basic premise is some sort of quantum leap. It was all reasonable but should have been expressed better. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76105523939505788092013-11-07T19:34:13.898-08:002013-11-07T19:34:13.898-08:00The a big part of the Flynn effect is really just ...The a big part of the Flynn effect is really just the increase in Asperger's?Jack Amoknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75761194406775553712013-11-07T18:45:59.611-08:002013-11-07T18:45:59.611-08:00Steve, your explanation for the Flynn effect is a ...Steve, your explanation for the Flynn effect is a description of Marshall McLuhan's children of the digital age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80743995479279767712013-11-07T18:21:57.200-08:002013-11-07T18:21:57.200-08:00In view of the "footbridge dilemma" it s...In view of the "footbridge dilemma" it seems as though the bomb dropped on Nagasaki was aptly named. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52039752595291367542013-11-07T16:27:44.837-08:002013-11-07T16:27:44.837-08:00The question here is about testing the quality of ...The question here is about testing the quality of a human mind. Clearly some minds are better then others, and clearly some cultures are better then others. It is the combination, the mix of the two that determines someone’s capabilities. We are testing the capabilities of both the nature and the nurture of a human mind.<br /><br />In a previous thread it was asked “have the Eskimos ever produced a Newton?” Clearly Newton lived is cradle of knowledge unknown to the Eskimos. And if Newton was tested on the qualities of snow, a ten year old Eskimo would best him. It is both mind quality and knowledge that counts. <br /><br />Why are we testing - what is our real goal - what are we looking for - what is the payoff for society? The answer is - creativity - we are looking for minds that can create answers to questions - and individuals that can feed our minds with new wonderful entertaining creations.<br /><br />Our eyes and ears take in information that our mind stores. It is the capacity to rearrange that information in a new useful manner that manifests <i>creativity.</i> What is most important for a culture is the power of someone to <i>concentrate</i> their mind on relevant previously unconnected information and then bring forth a new idea.<br /><br />Newton or Eskimo - no matter the intellectual environment - it is concentration that counts. Can there be a test for “concentration that leads to creativity?” Can this be done in a rational fair-minded way? Brains grow at different rates, and do not mature until their early twenties.<br /><br /> p.s. Children who play computer games developed skills of concentration - but about killing? The future is computer programs that develop both knowledge and concentration. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7867237532159826212013-11-07T15:17:30.936-08:002013-11-07T15:17:30.936-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFxjy7f9RpY
How mu...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFxjy7f9RpY<br /><br />How much of 'reason' is really rearson(reared to reason that way)? <br /><br />The kid is obviously smart, and smart kids seek recognition and praise. <br />If that praise is attached to associating with the likes of Al Gore, his intelligence will gravitate toward that position. <br /><br />I wonder how many smart Libs really thought their way to their convictions or were simply raised that way. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24075924471979919402013-11-07T14:28:00.276-08:002013-11-07T14:28:00.276-08:00The Z Blog said...One of the ways I entertained my...<i>The Z Blog said...One of the ways I entertained myself was to figure out the rules of the test.</i><br /><br />I entertained myself on school 'fill in the oval' tests by making patterns or letters with the answer dots. (I'm pretty sure that's why I got stuck in a semi-tard English class, circa 1968, after being the first kid in the school to finish the self-paced reading program, though perhaps all the English classes were tard-ish).Fernandinandehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11253225431705407699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63317321752958397122013-11-07T13:02:46.563-08:002013-11-07T13:02:46.563-08:00http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/...http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Mumbai-students-not-as-skilled-as-eastern-zones-in-reading/articleshow/25340434.cms?<br /><br />Why any discussion of 'India' is really bogus. There isn't any one country that could be characterized as 'India'... just like Brazil and of course increasingly the US, which should be called DUS or disunited states. <br /><br />Indians talk more about what must be done than the Chinese do.. but they do less. Old habits die hard. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46951792588614434352013-11-07T12:05:14.088-08:002013-11-07T12:05:14.088-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7MCSl5ju0E
This s...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7MCSl5ju0E<br /><br />This sounds too Oniony. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74526016441257732912013-11-07T12:03:38.898-08:002013-11-07T12:03:38.898-08:00Thank you very much for posting on this workThank you very much for posting on this workAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7931532103050998062013-11-07T10:56:55.340-08:002013-11-07T10:56:55.340-08:00The major points of this posting must be correct b...The major points of this posting must be correct because they seem so obvious. Not that I knew all this before but that's the way it is. Some correct ideas profoundly alter the way you see things thereafter but most - like these -seem like you knew them all along. I take that as evidence that these notions are more or less correct.<br /><br />I tend to overestimate how smart I am. When the Rubik's Cube came out I was eager to get one and solve it. Much to my surprise I couldn't. Then I learned that all those people who had claimed to have solved it had just memorized the algorithm. I suppose that that also takes some smarts but I wasn't interested in just learning how someone else had been smart.<br /><br />The Raven's Matrices look a lot like Rubik's Cube to me. I tried one of the online versions last year. It's easy to see how if you had access to a short list of principals you could 'ace' such a test.<br /><br />Gene Kelly couldn't sing much nor could Sinatra dance. But Sinatra danced up a storm in one of the sailor movies. What you didn't see was that it took 'Ol' Blue Eyes' a month of retakes and a month of editing to look good on screen.<br /><br />Real life is like a real dance audition. You have to do it right now. That's what we intuitively mean by intelligence. Someone in a new situation spontaneously develops a new solution. That's also why true improv theater is so awe inspiring.<br /><br />AlbertosaurusPat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27805395243108259052013-11-07T10:38:35.186-08:002013-11-07T10:38:35.186-08:00Number 5!! 5 is the answer. The two little WHITE t...Number 5!! 5 is the answer. The two little WHITE triangles!! I will be FIRST in line at the lunchroom!!Horace Staccatonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12083493990971273772013-11-07T08:36:04.057-08:002013-11-07T08:36:04.057-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Swordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65383180210055168962013-11-07T08:30:44.725-08:002013-11-07T08:30:44.725-08:00"Wechsler as an admission exam for Manhattan ..."Wechsler as an admission exam for Manhattan four-year-olds with $40k to burn annually on kindergarten "<br /><br />Let's say you could make a list of every possible test. Which 10 or so tests would you choose to advance the children of legacy rich kids while keeping out most of the kids of the annoying tiger parents?<br /><br />What you could do is using sampling administer the tests to various groups and then choose the tests the legacy rich kids did best at relative to the tiger parents kids. Then give that collection of tests a fancy name backed by an Ivy league shrink. Then use that test for entry until too many tiger parent's kids pass it. <br /><br />Alternatively encouraging tiger parent's kids to try to scam the test by studying specifically for the test might be considered useful as will waste the kids time unproductively and make the kid subservient to authority. See John Taylor Gatto for details. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35795067088878680072013-11-07T08:05:55.923-08:002013-11-07T08:05:55.923-08:00Steve
There is a post today on the blog of Columb...Steve<br /><br />There is a post today on the blog of Columbia U mathematican Peter Woit about the new research program...Jonathan Rosenberg(DNA sequencing technology developer) and MIT physicist Max Tegamak...to recruit 400 elite physcists and mathematicians and identify their mathematical genius genes.<br /><br />Robert Plomin is on record as being a very big supporter of this. Field Medalist Curtis McMullen declined to be one of the 400 hundred. Berkeley mathematician Michael Hutchings doesn't have a high opinion of this research program.<br /><br />I think you know what my views on the matter are. So I won't say anything else. Go have a look at Peter Woit's blog.<br /><br />Bill Blizzard and his MenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com