tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5755128894342699193..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The Intermediate RegionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85561860591161261522014-03-12T13:41:35.361-07:002014-03-12T13:41:35.361-07:00I think France and the US have a lot in common wit...<i>I think France and the US have a lot in common with each other in comparison to Britain. Both claim to be the inventors of the modern world and that the modern world was invented in the late 18th century.</i><br /><br />Clines don't preclude that there are is a cultural dimension where say Britain and America are the most distant cultures in the world (its just a very "small" dimension compared to the other cultural dimensions).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81967626448417834952014-03-10T17:09:40.198-07:002014-03-10T17:09:40.198-07:00Re: "Cultural differences are clines. America...Re: "Cultural differences are clines. America and England and England and France have more in common than America and France, and so on." <br /><br />I don't know about that. I think France and the US have a lot in common with each other in comparison to Britain. Both claim to be the inventors of the modern world and that the modern world was invented in the late 18th century. Both are republics which claim to be based on ideas (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness versus Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité). Both have a pretty -- dare I say it -- exaggerated sense of exceptionalism. And both of you drive on the right hand side of the road.<br /><br />In short, you're both a bit screwed up, actually. (:<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64114692843341081052014-03-10T15:58:14.093-07:002014-03-10T15:58:14.093-07:00One word: Allah.
Two words: Allah and Mohammad.
...One word: Allah.<br /><br />Two words: Allah and Mohammad.<br /><br />Unfortunately for the Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins that whole God thing ain't going away.<br /><br />If the entire Intermediate Region, which includes the Orthodox world, bows down toward Mecca, then you might have a goer. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28180464467380394592014-03-08T23:37:34.528-08:002014-03-08T23:37:34.528-08:00Turko-Araby overlaying Greco-PersiaTurko-Araby overlaying Greco-Persia108042https://www.blogger.com/profile/15602596052752156121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48993782887837965232014-03-07T12:59:12.421-08:002014-03-07T12:59:12.421-08:00The nobility of Europe in general were almost all ...The nobility of Europe in general were almost all Swedish if you go back far enough. ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19639526939580717472014-03-07T04:40:52.093-08:002014-03-07T04:40:52.093-08:00Anonydroid at 5:29 PM said: You do not need a dir...Anonydroid at 5:29 PM said: You do not need a direct line of genetic descent to incorporate the trappings of your cultural forbears.<br /><br />Crawfordmuir said: Actually, by the thirteenth or fourteenth century, just about all European royalty could claim descent from both the Comnenus emperors of Byzantium and from St. Vladimir, great-grandson of Rurik, and grand duke of Kiev and Novgorod. <br /><br />Hunsdon said: Thank you for the information. However, DR was using this as a stick with which to hit Russia. He was not tarring the Germans (let alone the English) with the same brush.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21962379601325740102014-03-07T00:00:34.042-08:002014-03-07T00:00:34.042-08:00Speaking of Byzantine descent...
...I recall that...Speaking of Byzantine descent...<br /><br />...I recall that soon after the fall of Costantinople, the monarch of Muscowy made a point of marrying a heir to the Byzantine throne and made the flag of Muscowy the double eagle (still a symbol of Russia), where one of the two eagle stood for the Roman eagle of the former Byzantine empire.<br /><br />So that's the descent basis to the Tsarist claim of Byzantine succession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51763116068735136802014-03-06T22:12:08.296-08:002014-03-06T22:12:08.296-08:00" Hunsdon said...
" DR said: The Czars o..." Hunsdon said...<br />" DR said: The Czars of Russia were descended from the Emperors of Byzantium.<br />" Actual descent? Read up on the Rurik dynasty sometime, as in terms of ancestry the founders of the Russian states (Kievan Rus, Grand Duchy of Moscow, etc.) were Varangian."<br /><br />Actually, by the thirteenth or fourteenth century, just about all European royalty could claim descent from both the Comnenus emperors of Byzantium and from St. Vladimir, great-grandson of Rurik, and grand duke of Kiev and Novgorod. <br /><br />Bela II "The Blind," king of Hungary 1131-41, married Helen of Serbia, a great-granddaughter of John Comnenus. The great-great-granddaughter of Bela II was Yolande, princess of Hungary, who married into the Aragonese royal family and became an ancestor of subsequent Spanish, French and English monarchs.<br /><br />Anna Jaroslawna, princess of Kiev, great-granddaughter of St. Vladimir, married Henry I of France, the grandson of Hugh Capet, Again, their descendants married into just about all the royal families of Europe, including those of England and Scotland. <br /><br />By the time Ivan IV ("the Terrible") took the title of Tsar, both the Rurikid and the Comnenus lines were widely spread throughout the European royal houses and aristocracy. Any descendant of Edward III of England has both these lines.<br /><br />Further, Ivan's grandmother, Sophia Palaeologina, was the granddaughter of Manuel II Palaeologus and hence the niece of the last Byzantine emperor, Constantine XI. So it is quite correct from a genealogical standpoint to say that the Tsars were lineal heirs of the Byzantine imperial families as well as of the house of Rurik.Crawfurdmuirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5009070593029070432014-03-06T18:31:27.658-08:002014-03-06T18:31:27.658-08:00Very silly.
In reality what it is is the Orthodox...Very silly.<br /><br />In reality what it is is the Orthodox world plus the Muslim world. Why is he joining them together? Because he can't bring himself to draw a line that excludes Anatolia and Byzantium from he Orthodox part.<br /><br />If those parts went back to Greece and the Orthodox zone he'd draw a line splitting his "intermediate region" in two in a flash.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85794382199308408512014-03-06T17:29:56.715-08:002014-03-06T17:29:56.715-08:00DR is correct about the origin of the title. The E...DR is correct about the origin of the title. The Eastern Roman Empire considered themselves Hoi Romani - the Romans. Czar or Tsar or Kaiser are all derivatives of Caesar. You do not need a direct line of genetic descent to incorporate the trappings of your cultural forbears.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5634384479274725852014-03-06T16:52:30.106-08:002014-03-06T16:52:30.106-08:00The Intermediate Region looks basically like
((Mo...The Intermediate Region looks basically like <br />((Mongol Empire + Ottoman Empire) - East Asia)<br />with the hub more or less where the two empires overlapped. Of course, it is a tautology almost to say there were causes and effects associated with the borders of these empires.<br />At the risk of displaying my ignorance further, I would say that it looks like The Intermediate Region contains a high ratio of herders to farmers compared with Europe, China, India, SE Asia.<br />I'm a little skeptical about a hub at Istanbul. If you're traveling by sea or air, there are no real natural hubs here, and Dubai is the artificial one. If you're traveling by land, the natural hubs are probably more like Tehran, Damascus, or… Sochi!<br /><br />I think Orwell was fairly smart. If hadn't been for the Nazis and/or Roosevelt, that's probably how the world would look--a Socialist Eurasian block, the Anglosphere, China, and a bunch of land nobody cared that much about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27689176980857175652014-03-06T16:25:30.500-08:002014-03-06T16:25:30.500-08:00DR said: The Czars of Russia were descended from ...DR said: The Czars of Russia were descended from the Emperors of Byzantium. <br /><br />Hunsdon said: Hey, here's proof that race hatred makes you stupid. (Or maybe in this case, it's just a little race hatred column a, a little stupid from column b.)<br /><br />The name came from the Eastern Roman Empire. You know, like with "Kaiser" for the Germans.<br /><br />Actual descent? Read up on the Rurik dynasty sometime, as in terms of ancestry the founders of the Russian states (Kievan Rus, Grand Duchy of Moscow, etc.) were Varangian.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91432816116839590602014-03-06T15:27:36.977-08:002014-03-06T15:27:36.977-08:00" It would take me a long time to list all th..." It would take me a long time to list all the tiny details of ways that Moscow and Istanbul resemble each other more than they resemble, say, London."<br /><br />This isn't just due to geography and coincidence. The Czars of Russia were descended from the Emperors of Byzantium. Czar itself just being the Russian translation of Caesar. Obviously they'd bring along a lot of the cultural trappings of Constantinople. DRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07395057401348319239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8411196227371398272014-03-06T15:24:26.067-08:002014-03-06T15:24:26.067-08:00You also raise a good point that these ideologies ...<i>You also raise a good point that these ideologies tend to be constructed with a purpose in mind--your fellow wanted the Greeks and Turks to be friends, for example, which isn't a horrible idea but rather hard with the Ottoman Empire bit.</i><br /><br />It was a great idea that sort of worked - for the Cold War.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82255843147800252692014-03-06T15:21:53.825-08:002014-03-06T15:21:53.825-08:00What might have been...
..The Constantinople Agre...What might have been...<br /><br />..The Constantinople Agreement (18 March 1915) was a set of secret assurances made by the Triple Entente during World War I. France and Great Britain promised to give Constantinople, the capital of the Ottoman Empire, and the Dardanelles (land on either coast in Thrace and Asia Minor), which at the time were part of the Ottoman Empire, to the Russians in the event of victory.The city of Constantinople was intended to be a free port.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople_Agreement<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60445477837553398402014-03-06T15:15:44.520-08:002014-03-06T15:15:44.520-08:00This "Intermediate Region" looks a lot l...<i>This "Intermediate Region" looks a lot like what I imagine Orwell has in mind for "Eurasia". The Orient on that would be "Eastasia", and the Occident + the Western Hemisphere would be "Oceania". And of course, us denizens of Oceania have always been at war with Eurasia. At least for now.</i><br /><br />No, Orwell's conception was different. Here was Orwell's conception:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1984_fictitious_world_map_v2_quad.svg<br /><br />His "Eurasia" was basically the USSR plus Continental Europe and Asia Minor.<br /><br />"Oceania" was the UK, Australasia, the New World, and South Africa.<br /><br />"Eastasia" was East and Central Asia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33757188930104413792014-03-06T15:07:49.223-08:002014-03-06T15:07:49.223-08:00One thing that Turkey and Indonesia have in common...One thing that Turkey and Indonesia have in common, beyond Islam of course, is that they seem to be asserting themselves more culturally these days. Over the past year or so, there was at least one "Perfect Weekend" piece in the Financial Times set in Istanbul (one featured the country's most famous novelist, but I'm pretty sure there was another with a designer), and there was an article recently in Bloomberg Pursuits (Bloomberg's answer to FT Weekend) about the burgeoning art scene in some part of Indonesia where paintings by contemporary artists are selling for big money globally.Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15240955292880280702014-03-06T14:16:15.480-08:002014-03-06T14:16:15.480-08:00This "Intermediate Region" looks a lot l...This "Intermediate Region" looks a lot like what I imagine Orwell has in mind for "Eurasia". The Orient on that would be "Eastasia", and the Occident + the Western Hemisphere would be "Oceania". And of course, us denizens of Oceania have always been at war with Eurasia. At least for now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23122409728895714042014-03-06T13:42:36.154-08:002014-03-06T13:42:36.154-08:00The border between Civilized and "intermediat...<i>The border between Civilized and "intermediate" looks a lot like the "Hajnal Line".</i><br /><br />It looks nothing like it. The "Hajnal Line" is an intra-European division that divides Ireland, Finland, Southern Italy and Southern Iberia, and everything east of Germany and western Austria from the rest of Western Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26751193148758899612014-03-06T13:35:16.930-08:002014-03-06T13:35:16.930-08:00"Istanbul has some of the flavor of, say, Mos..."Istanbul has some of the flavor of, say, Moscow (and vice-versa). It would take me a long time to list all the tiny details of ways that Moscow and Istanbul resemble each other more than they resemble, say, London."<br /><br />The obvious connection is Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Istanbul, when it was Constantinople, was the capital of Orthodox Byzantium. SS. Cyril and Methodius were the Greek Orthodox Christians who converted Russia, and who gave the various Slavic languages the Cyrillic alphabet, a modified Greek alphabet. The characteristic domes of the Kremlin are based on Byzantine architectural models... and so on. <br /><br />Crawfurdmuirnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66744364345187160132014-03-06T13:32:32.518-08:002014-03-06T13:32:32.518-08:00Really it's just putting all the barbarians in...Really it's just putting all the barbarians in one bucket, save for the racial discrimination against the sub-Saharan Africans.<br /><br />Even at that level it works only post 1500AD or so.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31950305488504490742014-03-06T13:10:18.645-08:002014-03-06T13:10:18.645-08:00see: HBD Chick and her work on the Hajnal Line and...see: HBD Chick and her work on the Hajnal Line and outbreeding Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26132436002829821262014-03-06T13:08:37.988-08:002014-03-06T13:08:37.988-08:00In a slightly related topic Steve, according to th...In a slightly related topic Steve, according to the EU, Finland and Denmark are the most violent nations in the EU to be a woman.<br /><br />http://yle.fi/uutiset/finland_is_eus_second_most_violent_country_for_women/7120601<br /><br />Maybe when all those Somali, Arab, and Pakistani women read this, they'll reconsider moving to Scandinavia. We can only hope.<br /><br />Also, if you go the YLE's English website (Finland's BBC), you'll see that the second-most important Finland-related news item right now is the fact that Kazhal Ali Ibrahim has been named Finland's "Refugee Woman of the Year". Her accomplishment? She's the first woman of Kurdish descent to drive a bus in Finland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10868459440000024862014-03-06T12:00:09.774-08:002014-03-06T12:00:09.774-08:00I think there's a way to make Russian 'inv...I think there's a way to make Russian 'invaders' in Crimea palatable to American government. <br /><br />Offer them amnesty. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3535640712170888562014-03-06T11:23:20.985-08:002014-03-06T11:23:20.985-08:00The border between Civilized and "intermediat...The border between Civilized and "intermediate" looks a lot like the "Hajnal Line".<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_lineFernandinandehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11253225431705407699noreply@blogger.com