tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6064370147370922845..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Arthur Jensen is deadUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68584310163277388392013-03-08T16:42:12.640-08:002013-03-08T16:42:12.640-08:00A very important "primer" biography for ...A very important "primer" biography for Jensen could be set <br />in place by just putting online freely accessible the list of all his publicaitons (The special commemorative of the journal INTELLIGENCE IN 1998 has fine short tributes from a number of notable scholars (some of whom did not agree with Jensen). Jensen himself contributed a very interested autobiographical sketch as "Jensen on Jensenism". But all this is copyrighted. An online listing of all his publicatons could easily invite competent and fair minded annotation entries for various publications but also entries that would comment about how one publication was related to others among his many publications. This is especially true in that there was no "publish or perish" hopscotching in his work but a methodical building upon previous work. You can bet your week's beer money that there will be a conventionally published "biography" of Jensen that will serve to be dismissive or otherwise will disincline venturesome undergraduates to peek into the "forbidden". A timely online commemoration can let a lot of the hot air out of these disinformation efforts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68601826982446256192012-11-08T19:42:27.073-08:002012-11-08T19:42:27.073-08:00One person--himself with a tested IQ as a school b...One person--himself with a tested IQ as a school boy of nearly Full<br />Scale 145--who was very interested<br />in Jensen's views and his 1969 "firestorm" article in the Harvard Educational Review was<br />Richard M. Nixon. Nixon asked<br />Patrick Moynihan to assign some<br />able person to read all of Jensen's work and to keep him,<br />the President, briefed via Moynihan, of course. When Jensen was in the District of Corruption on some professional task, he got a call from Moynihan's secretary telling him Moynihan would like him, Jensen, to stop by (in the White House, where Moynihan's office was ) and Jensen did so for <br />a lengthy visit and a drink from<br />Moynihan's in office wee bar. A lot of people who feared being directly in contact with him respected his work, and him, enormously, including Nixon. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86632762218697972052012-11-05T18:04:10.283-08:002012-11-05T18:04:10.283-08:00born in 1923--not 33born in 1923--not 33Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1165660616914980102012-11-05T10:20:49.612-08:002012-11-05T10:20:49.612-08:00Very eminent guy, born in 1933. Totally in line wi...Very eminent guy, born in 1933. Totally in line with what Malcolm Gladwell says in Outliers!Drawbacksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36970802902567281622012-11-05T08:21:56.019-08:002012-11-05T08:21:56.019-08:00Aside from the interactive e-mail interview-based ...Aside from the interactive e-mail interview-based book by Frank Miele, the best brief introductions to Jensen by Jensen are a 1992 interview of him by Jared Taylor, available on the American Renaissance web page and a paper, "Jensen on Jensenism" by<br />Jensen published in a special 1998 edition of the journal INTELLIGENCE. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82583226109185126592012-11-04T09:43:12.947-08:002012-11-04T09:43:12.947-08:00So far the New York and Los Angeles newspapers hav...So far the New York and Los Angeles newspapers have obits on Jensen's death but the nation's third largest city, population wise, had nothing as far as I could find out. I looked at the printed copies of the Chicago Tribune and the onlines versions of the Trib and Suntimes and found nothing. <br /> Does anyone know if the Trib and Suntimes carried news of his death?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69022858304938270742012-11-04T07:03:56.137-08:002012-11-04T07:03:56.137-08:00Props to Jason Malloy, The LAT obit is actually pr...Props to Jason Malloy, The LAT obit is actually pretty good compared to the NYT piece, it mentions Margaret Mead and Stephen Jay Gould criticizing him, but doesn't really take sides, and ends with a former black immigrant graduate student saying the Jensen was most definitely not racist despite assurances from other grad students that he was. This guy said he simply followed the data wherever it lead. Imagine that, having empirical information guide you, what an novel concept.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55622444796162972762012-11-03T23:12:47.329-07:002012-11-03T23:12:47.329-07:00Washington Post. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/arthur-jensen-psychologist-with-disputed-theories-of-intelligence-dies-at-89/2012/11/03/391bca44-2511-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html" rel="nofollow">Washington Post.</a> <br />JCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76582769887228399712012-11-03T15:34:26.030-07:002012-11-03T15:34:26.030-07:00Pinker also has a background in linguistics, altho...Pinker also has a background in linguistics, although he's not really a "journalist".<br /><br />I also was confused by the gendered pronouns in the NYT article, but on a reread I understood that "he" is referring to Jensen and his book.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87140123399852732762012-11-03T13:43:03.378-07:002012-11-03T13:43:03.378-07:00I see several people commenting on how the newspap...I see several people commenting on how the newspaper had to find an obscure and not-especially-noteworthy source for an 'opposing viewpoint'.<br /><br />Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the quality of the quoted sources might be intentional, that a subtle message might be concealed within the apparent standard PC?Melendwyrhttp://occludedsun.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64533139895379984072012-11-03T06:33:53.307-07:002012-11-03T06:33:53.307-07:00truth rip
integrity rip
courage rip
honesty rip...truth rip<br /><br />integrity rip<br /><br />courage rip<br /><br />honesty ripAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66909329891426426842012-11-03T06:30:59.999-07:002012-11-03T06:30:59.999-07:00@Veracitor -
I can't tell if you're being ...@Veracitor -<br />I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I did have to read that sentence in the article twice.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50842858487864268842012-11-03T04:25:09.373-07:002012-11-03T04:25:09.373-07:00"“Socioeconomic status turns out to be the be...<i>"“Socioeconomic status turns out to be the best predictor of your I.Q. score,” Sonja C. Grover, an educational psychologist at Lakehead University in Ontario, said on Wednesday."</i><br /><br />I thought correlation was not causation?<br /><br />(IMHO she's got it the wrong way round. High IQ people tend to be higher paid.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46828576255691027562012-11-02T22:34:54.150-07:002012-11-02T22:34:54.150-07:00The LA Times ends on a more reasonable note:
&quo...The LA Times ends on a more reasonable note:<br /><br />"Although subsequent studies show that the white-black IQ gap has narrowed, Jensen did not waver in his belief that such differences are rooted in nature more than in nurture.<br /><br />"The study of human differences cannot be racist," he told the London-based Times Higher Education Supplement in 1996. Comparing himself to anthropologists and medical researchers who study physical differences between racial groups, he said, "I'm simply doing the same thing with this trait" called general intelligence.<br /><br />Kiwiguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34807988545692087112012-11-02T21:56:36.403-07:002012-11-02T21:56:36.403-07:00Veracitor - some good points outside of the Grover...Veracitor - some good points outside of the Grover transgender take. Assuming you were serious there, the "he" is just an ambiguous antecedent. I actually thought it was a plain typo at first, but closer reading shows it must refer to Jensen.haddoxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31402653419240192182012-11-02T21:47:01.290-07:002012-11-02T21:47:01.290-07:00Steve-- I was wrong about Sonja Grover being trans...Steve-- I was wrong about Sonja Grover being transgender-- I messed up a google search after reading what must be a typo in the NYT story. I regret my error and ask you to correct my comment by removing that part.<br /><br />I do not regret criticizing Prof. Grover's remarks, assuming they were fairly reported, nor Flynn's, assuming ditto.Veracitornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52192797822944534302012-11-02T20:05:34.817-07:002012-11-02T20:05:34.817-07:00Anonymous 11/2/12 7:05 PM,
Jensen wasn't a fu...Anonymous 11/2/12 7:05 PM,<br /><br />Jensen wasn't a full Jew, but one of his grandmothers was ethnically Jewish. It was the same for H.J. Eysenck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38420210990570998002012-11-02T19:05:18.953-07:002012-11-02T19:05:18.953-07:00This obit is so reveling of the intellectual bankr...This obit is so reveling of the intellectual bankruptcy of the USA. Our "Greatest Newspaper" the one read by all the "elite", can't even write what everyone knows. Everyone knows intelligence is genetic; just like Height. And everyone knows you can work hard and increase your IQ, but like your ability to run the 100 Yard dash everyone has a built-in genetic ceiling. And Everyone also knows IQ varies by race, and that Blacks are at the bottom and Jews are at the top. Yet, the Times obit sounds like Pravda discussing some matter where Marx was wrong. <br /><br />Grim.Sad. Pathetic. Jensen was a great man. Was a Jew? I doubt it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15619455948734543272012-11-02T18:51:34.436-07:002012-11-02T18:51:34.436-07:00She added: “In no way am I suggesting that he wasn...She added: “In no way am I suggesting that he wasn’t completely well intentioned. But I would make the point that you cannot separate social science from human rights, regardless of what side of the fence you’re on.”<br /><br />That's why Jensen was a real scientist and she's only a social scientist. 2Degreesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37631749602316846962012-11-02T18:03:38.192-07:002012-11-02T18:03:38.192-07:00Anyone who wants to be president is crazy. The rea...<a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2850704312332&set=a.2850704272331.2118825.1401223074&type=1" rel="nofollow">Anyone who wants to be president is crazy. The real disaster is ahead in 2013. </a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35952200615397214712012-11-02T17:54:29.879-07:002012-11-02T17:54:29.879-07:00Help.<a href="https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=727&q=lana+wachowski&oq=lana+wa&gs_l=img.1.0.0l10.1565.2601.0.4529.7.6.0.1.1.0.121.550.3j3.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.I5BYS80mUtM" rel="nofollow">Help. </a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24493249472157396872012-11-02T17:45:38.225-07:002012-11-02T17:45:38.225-07:00The content calls for mention of the 1988 survey o...The content calls for mention of the 1988 survey of experts (Snyderman and Rothman). The<br />expert consensus made clear there <br />was nothing 'far out" or "shoot from the hip" about Jensen's hypothesis in his 1969 HER article<br />that cuased such a media-politico<br />firestorm. Typical MSM: hype makes<br />headlines; facts get small print...sometimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4820378908037834052012-11-02T13:33:15.921-07:002012-11-02T13:33:15.921-07:00Boy, were you right, Steve. Some fourth rate nobod...Boy, were you right, Steve. Some fourth rate nobody lefty psychologist from some university no one outside of Canada has ever even heard of. She gets the final ideological charged word, after consulting a pro-Jensen and anti-Jensen psychologists of note. That's why the obit took ten days, they had to dig her up this "critic" left over from the 1960's. It would be like having some community college prof have the last negative word about some Nobel Laureate that they hate and thought was a bad person. I'm guessing she is charged up, if she was on the political right ( In Canadian academia, I know not likely ) she would be denigrated for teaching a soft subject at a loser U, but because she is attacking the Great Satan of academic psychology, she is really important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10143848952659692912012-11-02T12:12:01.460-07:002012-11-02T12:12:01.460-07:00From the NY Times story:
"A noted authority ...From the NY Times story:<br /><br /><i>"A noted authority on intelligence, Professor Flynn has long opposed Professor Jensen’s views on the subject. “Take it from me, the evidence is highly complicated,” he said. “The best we can say is that it is more probable that the I.Q. gap between black and white is <b>entirely</b> environmental in origin.”</i> [emphasis added]"<br /><br />What a <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10450313" rel="nofollow">hypocrite! We can convict him on his own testimony.</a> Perhaps Flynn thinks intelligence is genetic in New Zealand but not in the USA?<br /><br />However, you gotta admire the NYT reporter's skill in finding a <i>transgender</i> critic to quote against Jensen! Check out professor "Sonja C. Grover," for whom the pronoun "he" is appropriate in one paragraph, and "she" in another. Apparently s/he published a jeremiad against Jensen 30 years ago as a man, and is now available to give manifestly false testimony as a "woman."<br /><br /><i>“Socioeconomic status turns out to be the best predictor of your I.Q. score,” Sonja C. Grover, an educational psychologist at Lakehead University in Ontario, said on Wednesday. “Socioeconomic status has to do with your quality of schooling, the quality of the teachers that you’re exposed to. Many people who do poorly on an I.Q. test have a very poor fund of general knowledge, but it doesn’t mean that they’re not intelligent.”</i><br /><br />Too bad Sonja's assertion has long since been debunked. Perhaps the most dramatic illustration was published in JBHE in 2005:<br /><br />"<a href="http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html" rel="nofollow">But there is a major flaw in the thesis that income differences explain the racial gap. Consider these three observable facts from The College Board's 2005 data on the SAT:<br /><br />• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.<br /><br />• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.<br /><br />• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.</a>"<br /><br /><i>"A 1981 book by Professor Grover, “The Cognitive Basis of the Intellect,” was written as a response to Professor Jensen’s book “Bias in Mental Testing” (1980). In that book, <b>he</b> argued that it is possible to construct tests of general intelligence that are free of cultural bias, which in turn makes it possible to isolate heredity as a wellspring of intellect.<br /><br />"But in focusing on the link between genetics and intellectual ability, Professor Grover said on Wednesday, Professor Jensen’s work has sweeping, and potentially grave, implications."</i><br /><br />Ooh! Grave Implications. So grave the speaker must turn to the last refuge of scoundrels, the double-negative damning with faint praise:<br /><br /><i>"<b>She</b> added: “In no way am I suggesting that he wasn’t completely well intentioned. But I would make the point that you cannot separate social science from human rights, regardless of what side of the fence you’re on.”"</i><br /><br />Or which locker room you use? (Deirdre McCloskey notwithstanding, my experience is that the average transgender individual is profoundly mentally disturbed.)Veracitornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29507783930495512852012-11-02T10:15:28.862-07:002012-11-02T10:15:28.862-07:00http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/31/poll-more-than-...http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/31/poll-more-than-90-of-europeans-would-vote-for-obama-over-romney/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com