tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6139861330525587278..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Tax amnesty?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85773868972092096762011-07-30T10:09:25.388-07:002011-07-30T10:09:25.388-07:00I thought to myself that the "libertarian&quo...I thought to myself that the "libertarian" alien and his sock puppets look so dumb with "their" absent logic, broken English, and power worship that they must be parody. Then I remembered we call them libertardians for a reason.<br /><br /><i>What do you want, that the govt steal more from companies? Just because it steals from you?<br /><br />So, if you get cancer, would you hope your neighbour get cancer, just for "equality"?</i><br /><br />We want the burden of taxation spread equally. My neighbor getting cancer won't cure my cancer. Various tax dodgers paying their share would reduce my tax burden. Do you see the difference? If not, stick with shapes.<br /><br />(What brand of Asian are you, btw?)<br /><br /><i>Isn't one of Steve's main themes that we become a power based society and the "who/whom?" has replaced "right/wrong"? Why the fake outrage?</i><br /><br />"Isaac" you should stick with shapes as well. Steve's theme is that becoming a who-whom society is a <i>bad</i> thing. The outrage is real.<br /><br />These aliens argue hard that we have to meet every demand or they'll take their tiny balls to some zero tax Utopia.<br /><br /><i>Business has its bad apple libs and crony capitalists who push for illegals. But government is *all* bad apples.</i><br /><br />It's hard to imagine a corporation doing bad things for money, but it shouldn't be that hard to remember. You should stick with shapes too.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72874327351628546862011-07-24T10:33:55.331-07:002011-07-24T10:33:55.331-07:00"Traveller said...
Nice communist post."..."Traveller said...<br />Nice communist post."<br /><br />And just how capitalist is it for Microsoft to sit on $ 50 billion dollars that rightfully belongs to it's shareholders? Why don't they distribute them as dividends. Why is that not considered embezzlement?<br /><br />Just because the government is your enemy, it does not follow that big business is your friend.<br /><br /><br />"Anonymous said...<br />For every Gates in tech, there's a hardcore libertarian like TJ Rodgers."<br /><br />Rodgers is a big proponent of outsourcing and H1-B insourcing. Screw him.<br /><br />If these companies want to thumb their nose at the nation in which they were born and be international corporations rather than American enterprises, I say we should involuntarily separate them from the U.S. Put them on notice that henceforth we consider them to be foreign entities. Meaning that if their executives are arrested or kidnapped overseas, the U.S. government won't lift a finger to help them.<br /><br />Of course, the U.S. government doesn't do anything so quaint as answer to its own citizens, it answers to those self-same plutocrats.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4608146752159052722011-07-23T19:23:40.610-07:002011-07-23T19:23:40.610-07:00"Can I get my personal income taxed at the ra..."Can I get my personal income taxed at the rate of some random foreign country? For example, I became a lifetime foreign member of the Ballybunion Golf Club in 1987, so therefore I should be able to take advantage of any tax breaks Ireland happens to be offering, just on general principles."<br /><br />- Possibly. Granted, I'm not an accountant, but if your blog was run through a blogger site headquartered in Ireland, than I would think revenues to you that you get through donations from readers would be considered taxable at Irish rates. Granted, Ireland may not be your best choice; I've heard European taxes are worse than the US. Maybe follow the big guys in your article and go with somewhere like Singapore? <br /><br />I know a little about how it works for individual taxpayers; not so much for companies though. If you are living in a US address then you get taxed as a US resident. I think you can subtract out what you paid to foreign entities, but you will still have to pay the difference. If you reside there for the whole year, then your income (up to a certain allowable amount, I think around $80k) only gets taxed at the foreign rate. And I think there are some additional rules for the transitional year that make it more complicated. <br /><br />So long story short, I think you can only benefit from playing that game with taxes if you actually move to another country.Gunnar Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11905484424875373822011-07-23T08:38:59.912-07:002011-07-23T08:38:59.912-07:00Anon:
ISTM that as businesses get bigger, they be...Anon:<br /><br />ISTM that as businesses get bigger, they become more and more like government--they become more bureaucratic, able to ignore reality for years before the market imposes it upon them, parts of a large company can benefit from cross subsidies and do stupid things for decades. As they get bigger, they become more politically influential. Laws bend around them, like light bending around a really massive object in space. The local government, the governor and stae legislators, and their US senator and representative care about their concerns. Offsetting this, as a company becomes big and visible, it attracts parasites like any other successful system, and even a company whose management doesn't want to play the lobbying and campaign contribution game may find itself compelled to play in self-defense. <br /><br />At the extreme points, the differences almost blur to nothing. A factory town looks a lot like a certain notion of the ideal outcome of socialism--the state provides all the jobs, all the stores,all the housing, and owns everything. It's just that the state is a coal company.Notanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27932931527796761142011-07-23T08:27:56.497-07:002011-07-23T08:27:56.497-07:00Svigor:
That really boils down to what services y...Svigor:<br /><br />That really boils down to what services you want from government. As long as we retain social security, Medicare, our the military in all its gold-plated glory, and the homeland security and spy agencies, there's very little room for any tax cuts, and most likely we'll end up having to raise taxes.<br /><br />Social security has so many voting beneficiaries, I think serious cuts are politically impossible. That means you can't get rid of the social security part of your taxes. Medicare has a similar number of beneficiaries, plus a whole industry that is heavily dependent on it, so again, I think serious cuts or repeal is instant political suicide. The homeland security/spy agencies are also untouchable--in a country where they've been doing massive illegal surveillance of everyone for a decade, nobody much wants to take them on. The military has high prestige and even more industry dependent on it than Medicare and homeland security. Faux tough guy politicians wont cut it because they want to keep bombing peasants; other politicians don't want to look insufficiently tough so they won't cut it. <br /><br />So my guess is taxes keep going up. Since the folks at the top have entirely captured the political process when it comes to details of laws and tax regs, mostly that extra burden will land on middle class people. <br /><br />The only way I see of taxes getting down where you'd like them involve civil war or seccession or some similar massive shift in the world.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39472450945271195622011-07-22T22:29:37.138-07:002011-07-22T22:29:37.138-07:00Puerto Rico also does a nice little business in fa...Puerto Rico also does a nice little business in fake birth certificates for Venezuelans, Hondurans, and a host of other Latin Ams who don't have automatic rights of citizenship in the US, which explains in part why there are more "Puerto Ricans" living in the US than there are in PR. This is clearly something else the geniuses in the US Govt never considered, or don't care about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88224456454838149352011-07-22T22:20:55.584-07:002011-07-22T22:20:55.584-07:00Sorry Steve,
We Irish proles get taxed at confisc...Sorry Steve,<br /><br />We Irish proles get taxed at confiscatory rates. Someone has to pay our bankers debts!<br /><br />The 12.5% rate doesn't really benefit Irish people much anyway. There is little supply side justification for it as the "double dutch double Irish"(you run the profit twice through The Netherlands and twice through Ireland, I had it explained to me once, it's complicated) method Microsoft and google employ means we get little or nothing from them anyway.<br /><br />You don't have to bribe an Irish politician. All you have to do is make demands, bang on the table and they'll give in. The USCOCommerce has spent the last year screaming blue murder about corpo tax advantage because the government was going to trade it away for leniant bailout conditions from the EU. They won. So instead we're selling off state assets, closing all major hospitals in the northern third of the country and working till we drop in order to pay bank debts.<br /><br />PS. Sorry about Teddy Kennedy and Paul Ryan, Jerry Brown, Joe Biden, the Daleys and Rosie O'Donnell.Irishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14896739687048659572011-07-22T21:53:07.710-07:002011-07-22T21:53:07.710-07:00You see, we need to do what Big Business wants bec...<i>You see, we need to do what Big Business wants because otherwise we'll lose our liberty or go bankrupt or something.</i><br /><br />But if we tax the corporations too much, they'll just move overseas and stop hiring Americans, so there won't be any jobs. Errr, wait...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45038085774767172672011-07-22T21:07:29.601-07:002011-07-22T21:07:29.601-07:00of course every party fights like mad to control t...<i>of course every party fights like mad to control the writing of such laws. Who wouldn't? I'm not surprised that smart powerful organizations act rationally.</i> <br /><br />It's rational of us to oppose their actions. By what moral code are we suposed to applaud Microsoft for actng in its best interests, but not act in our best interests ourselves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4413463437604152652011-07-22T21:03:32.370-07:002011-07-22T21:03:32.370-07:00Businesses are a sight better than the US Govt.
...<i>Businesses are a sight better than the US Govt.</i> <br /><br />There's very little difference between the two.<br /><br /><i>For every Gates in tech, there's a hardcore libertarian like TJ Rodgers.</i> <br /><br />No, there is not. Tech is crawling with lefties. You might as well say "For every Barney Frank in Congress there's a Jim DeMint". As with business so it is wth Congress - the bad guys greatly outnumber the good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59542071938291583972011-07-22T20:38:39.696-07:002011-07-22T20:38:39.696-07:00"I don't want to stop corporations from g...<b>"I don't want to stop corporations from getting away with it, I want taxes (as far) under 5% (as possible) for everyone. Except people who advocate higher taxes. They should pay 75%."</b><br /><br />Well Microsoft's PAC contributions indicate their support for higher taxes. Virtually every candidate they contributed to was an incumbent. They contributed without regard to political affiliation. Therefore, according to you, they should pay higher rates.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78351708312340847462011-07-22T19:59:36.831-07:002011-07-22T19:59:36.831-07:00I have never understood why conservatives were so ...<i>I have never understood why conservatives were so eager to let corporations get away with this. Maybe you paleocons aren't, but most of the Republicans I talk to come up with all sorts of strange justifications...</i><br /><br />Wait, you have it backwards, too? I think a SEVEN percent tax rate is highway robbery, never mind 25 percent. I don't want to stop corporations from getting away with it, I want taxes (as far) under 5% (as possible) for everyone. Except people who advocate higher taxes. They should pay 75%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38929866732965671562011-07-22T19:55:52.186-07:002011-07-22T19:55:52.186-07:00What do you want, that the govt steal more from co...<i>What do you want, that the govt steal more from companies? Just because it steals from you?</i><br /><br />No, you stupid asshole, I want the same sweet deal the companies get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6342473504637377642011-07-22T19:54:57.992-07:002011-07-22T19:54:57.992-07:00Corporations get to expatriate themselves, humans ...<i>Corporations get to expatriate themselves, humans don't. And the IRS is a global entity these days. Just ask the Swiss.</i><br /><br />Yeah but what's the diff? I'm not an employee of X any more, I'm the sole employee of Y, which "contracts" with X. Same exact job, different paperwork, corporate tax rate. Why not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21940762973764612922011-07-22T19:52:04.883-07:002011-07-22T19:52:04.883-07:00Many of the posts here show the Libertarian mind i...Many of the posts here show the Libertarian mind in action. <br /><br />1-Defend Big Business no matter what.<br />2-Support cutting taxes no matter what.<br />3-Support "free trade" and outsourcing, no matter what.<br />4-Defend massive illegal and legal immigration, no matter what.<br /><br />You see, we need to do what Big Business wants because otherwise we'll lose our liberty or go bankrupt or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38363810718781837872011-07-22T19:48:39.256-07:002011-07-22T19:48:39.256-07:00Steve, you can do even better than Microsoft from ...Steve, you can do even better than Microsoft from the privacy of your Calfornia home. Just set up an S-corporation to hold your web site. Then your corporation won't pay any taxes at all. Not 20%, not 7%, but zero percent. <br /><br />Of course, you still will be on the hook for individual taxes but the same is true of Microsoft's shareholders.sabrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28524692554575155292011-07-22T19:44:33.140-07:002011-07-22T19:44:33.140-07:00Actually the Republicans want to do away with Corp...Actually the Republicans want to do away with Corporate taxes all together, because...ah...we've got too much tax money...I guess.<br /><br />Maybe if we cut enough taxes we can get that deficit up to $2 or $3 trillion a year, or we can just cut Social Security, Medicare and Defense in half. Who needs Defense and Social Security anyway?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87535178974251877532011-07-22T19:28:58.807-07:002011-07-22T19:28:58.807-07:00Businesses are a sight better than the US Govt. Fo...Businesses are a sight better than the US Govt. For every Gates in tech, there's a hardcore libertarian like TJ Rodgers.<br /><br />Business has its bad apple libs and crony capitalists who push for illegals. But government is *all* bad apples. Why do you want to increase the power of the latter at the expense of both the former and yourself?<br /><br />A business may actually make you a useful product, or it may not. But it it is damn well guaranteed that the money USG steals from business will be used to persecute non-NAMs, especially married/middle class ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47073130291644751552011-07-22T18:16:10.960-07:002011-07-22T18:16:10.960-07:00Isn't MSFT just obeying the tax laws? By what ...Isn't MSFT just obeying the tax laws? By what moral code are they required to pay more than they owe? <br /><br />And of course every party fights like mad to control the writing of such laws. Who wouldn't? I'm not surprised that smart powerful organizations act rationally.<br /><br />A nation's tax rate is a price. The level and type litigation and regulation it allows is another price. Other nations have lower prices, so they get the business. One day we will wake up to this and ratchet back theft by the government to a reasonable level. Or maybe not. <br /><br />Isn't one of Steve's main themes that we become a power based society and the "who/whom?" has replaced "right/wrong"? Why the fake outrage?Isaac Bickerstaffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35747848512276693752011-07-22T18:06:19.820-07:002011-07-22T18:06:19.820-07:00Great idea, Steve. Let's give more money to US...Great idea, Steve. Let's give more money to USG to throw into the woodchipper.<br /><br />Agreed that you pay too much in taxes. Not agreed that MSFT is "cheating" USG. <br /><br />Cannot understand paleocons and HBD realists who actually think pushing for more govt power and higher taxes is a winning strategy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14536650185903327502011-07-22T17:26:23.416-07:002011-07-22T17:26:23.416-07:00Allocation can't be random.
Of course, facts ...Allocation can't be random.<br /><br />Of course, facts are hell on your narrative. Sorry to be a buzzkill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83398656243567712282011-07-22T16:53:28.526-07:002011-07-22T16:53:28.526-07:00If you tried to tax US companies the way we tax in...If you tried to tax US companies the way we tax individuals (US income tax on all worldwide income) either US ciompanies could not compete with non-us comapnies who will be being taxed at half the rate or less or US companies wil reincorporate outside the uUS or nerge with non-US corporations where the resulting xorporation is non-US. US citizens can be officers, directors, employees and shareholders of foreign corporations. What would change except finally they will be free of the SEC, the IRS (except for US operations) etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17888272838982220792011-07-22T16:38:46.041-07:002011-07-22T16:38:46.041-07:00Microsoft pays taxes to other countries, its emplo...Microsoft pays taxes to other countries, its employees come from other countries, the proceeds from Gates's philanthropic billions go to other countries, and now, Americans for Tax Deform suggests, we shouldn't tax Gates's billions when he dies, because he's supposedly already paid taxes on it (at the low low rate of 15%, tops).<br /><br />Tell me again about all the supposed advantages of these corporations being on American soil?Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79578122572044631322011-07-22T16:37:47.256-07:002011-07-22T16:37:47.256-07:00"Of course they breed profusely, vote Democra..."Of course they breed profusely, vote Democrat"<br /><br />non mexican hispanic tfr is 1.9.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63497328904190853682011-07-22T16:27:30.033-07:002011-07-22T16:27:30.033-07:00While we're on the subject of Microsoft, can w...While we're on the subject of Microsoft, can we mention how American computer engineers can't find work, but Bill Gates is always running to Congress to beg for more H-1B visas so they can bring more indians and chinese to work for peanuts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com