tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6153703350607947174..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The Soap Operaization of PoliticsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85315082888175998902012-05-08T16:13:38.600-07:002012-05-08T16:13:38.600-07:00"Dynasties can and do die. I think the Bush d..."Dynasties can and do die. I think the Bush dynasty is kaput. I think people are done with the Kennedys, too."<br /><br />You have no idea how discombulated people like George Bush I, Nixon, E. Howard Hunt, Jesus Angleton, Gordon Novel, to name just a few, were by having two Kennedys -- not one, but two -- in the highest positions at a time when those positions were actually more powerful and presitigious than now. There was talk of RFK running someday even before his brother's assassination, and even of the unpromising Edward running. Some of the more pesimistic conservatives saw a succession of Kennedy's in the WH or almost as high. I didn't think of this until someone alive at the time regaled me with certain stories of just how powerful the hatred was for them (going back to Joseph Sr., and even Jr.) Joseph Kennedy had political ambitions for decades before JFK got to the WH, and he accumulated many enemies. There is even a case to be made that Joe Jr.'s plane was deliberately sabatoged during WWII, and I thought I'd heard it all. Concening JFK's murder, Bush I, head of the CIA by 1960, was involved or I'm a monkey's uncle. I always gave Johnson a pass, but after listening to his girlfriend's testimony years later, I'm on board with Jackie--Lyndon done it.<br />Read everything I could find and listened to credible witnesses, with old DC connections, and agreed with them that both RFK, JFK, and almost certainly JFK, Jr., were murdered by "interests' within the United States, aided and abetted by international assistance in the case of President Kennedy. One of the weird things about JFK Jr.'s death was lengthy searching of just about every area except where they went down. One reason given for this hit was the Jr. had dirt on Bush I concerning the murder of JFK, Sr. I guess we'll never know now. <br /><br />It was a clear and strategic plan to make sure that America was largely "done with" the Kennedys. They seem to have succeeded. This has been done down through the ages--the greatest "divine right" of monarchs is the simple fact that they and their families survive at all. After the founding member, sheer prowess cannot explain it, only Providence. In "democracies" such elimination cannot be so blatant. It must be blamed on lone nuts (those lone nuts who have been murdering unsuspecting persons in groups from time to time, a meme let loose in 1963?), or on accidents, or on the murdered victims themselves.<br />One thing you can count on, the really nasty are the ones who survive. Bush I and II both still kicking and Jeb in the wings. But to quote the late, mostly lamented, JFK, in his "peace speech" -- "we are all mortal."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8147925364311577332012-05-08T07:08:41.892-07:002012-05-08T07:08:41.892-07:00Perhaps it is that politics is ceasing to be about...Perhaps it is that politics is ceasing to be about anything political. Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar & Genghiz Khan had interesting sex lives too but it isn't what they are remembered for.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57474292739367983192012-05-07T18:03:02.674-07:002012-05-07T18:03:02.674-07:00Simon in London wrote:
"It seems to me that ...Simon in London wrote:<br /><br />"It seems to me that it may be some of the smaller European countries like Ireland, Denmark, possibly Scotland, and maybe some of the central European countries that may reach the 22nd century as still recognisably Western in culture, though I don't know if any will have a permanent white-European majority population."<br /><br />We got a lot of what you might call high IQ misfits from around Europe. Hippies, radical greens, pagans and many conservative and I suspect nationalist types especially Brits(our largest minority) who come to "get away from it all" i.e. immigrants back in Blighty. In many ways we're like the Idaho of Europe. <br />But I disagree with your main thesis regarding Ireland and Scotland. We both speak English and that will be the death of us. But their may be something to be said for Eastern Europe as a white bastion. One of the things the Euro crisis has shown is that language matters. When the East European 10 were admitted to the EU in 2004 we were immediately inundated with several hundred thousand East Europeans. For a country of only 4 and a bit million this was huge. The bubble and the fact that they were fairly civilised whites kept a lid on things until the crash when a lot of them simply left. Now there is a massive crisis leaving millions unemployed especially young people. There are jobs in some parts of Europe but there is no mass migration to the likes of Germany and Poland where there are jobs, why? Language. There is nothing as intimidating as a slavic language and the germanic ones excluding english are not far behind. If you have a hard to learn language it can serve as a useful way of keeping people out. But if you speak a globalised language and have a globalised culture you're screwed.irishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51417262659629985842012-05-07T14:30:48.420-07:002012-05-07T14:30:48.420-07:00travis said...
Edmund Burke considered the ki...travis said...<br /><br /> Edmund Burke considered the killing of Marie Antoinette as the end of the Age of Chivalry. However, the beginning of the end occurred in the Renaissance. <br /><br />______________<br /><br />There are costs and benefits to freedom, and I think you're correct. Each time more freedom is gained, a creative burst ensues, but it dissipates leaving us materially enriched and enlightened, but slightly morally poorer. <br />I believe this cycle continues until our moral poverty is such that we cannot recover. I believe we are living in such a time now. If it isn't now, we're close: probably when birthrates are forecast to hit their peak in the middle of this century.<br /><br />I hope I'm wrong, but I believe putting a man on the moon will be the last great thing we do for one-thousand years. <br /><br />The Renaissance was a period of genius that followed the long "Lenten" period from the Fall of Rome until the end of the Middle Ages when kings, not churchmen, started becoming the leaders of Christendom. If I had to pick a moment (for the nascent beginning of the end), it would be when King Philip IV of France went up against Pope Boniface VIII and proved he was more powerful (King Philip would be considered extremely religious by our standards today: he attended daily Mass and wore a hair shirt as a penitential act.)<br /><br />On Steve's thesis: I have no idea, but it is interesting. It's why I've been reading him all these years.Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28199697751710815282012-05-07T14:21:25.905-07:002012-05-07T14:21:25.905-07:00Irishmen:
"Because of emigration a culturally...Irishmen:<br />"Because of emigration a culturally Marxist caste has never really got very far..."<br /><br />Yeah, they all seem to come here to the UK. >:p <br /><br />It seems to me that it may be some of the smaller European countries like Ireland, Denmark, possibly Scotland, and maybe some of the central European countries that may reach the 22nd century as still recognisably Western in culture, though I don't know if any will have a permanent white-European majority population. In cases of civilisational collapse it's often some of the peripheral nations/areas that best carry forward major elements of that civilisation.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-625655525438544702012-05-07T08:55:47.659-07:002012-05-07T08:55:47.659-07:00I think we're seeing the consolidation of the ...I think we're seeing the consolidation of the American elite class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64124308585642031852012-05-07T08:13:01.165-07:002012-05-07T08:13:01.165-07:00I don't know to much about French natalism but...I don't know to much about French natalism but I suspect it is the same as the family policies here in Ireland.<br /><br />You get €140(~$180) for a child per month which rises to about €160 for subsequent kids. This is tax free, not means tested although I think they may have changed that recently on account of us being broke(I really couldn't tell you I don't have kids) and paid directly to the mother only. A lot of women have kids for this money as it is their's alone particularly if they don't work themselves which is coming back since the crash. As part of austerity there was a lot of talk about limiting it to the needy and middle Ireland moms promptly had a fit.<br />We have school choice and schools tend to segregate along class and increasingly ethnic lines with the respectable class(regardless of income) sending their kids to all boys or all girls Catholic in name only schools and the underclass and foreigners going to the equivalent of an English comprehensive. The catholic schools have things like entrance exams and "voluntary" contributions of maybe €200 to keep the riff raff out. This largely avoids the postcode lottery you get in Britain and keeps house prices relatively uniform and reasonable in non bubble times.<br /><br />Because of emigration a culturally Marxist caste has never really got very far and a kind of Catholic patriachy persists among women who have laregly kept the desire to have kids better than elsewhere in Europe.<br /><br />The irony is that there really isn't any public natalism in Irish politics. It's all basically catholic social teaching with the school choice being put into the constitution to keep the Protestants happy.<br /><br />I think that without a good deal of patriachy economic incentives are pretty useless at reviving the birth rate.irishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56706878859480886562012-05-07T07:41:46.473-07:002012-05-07T07:41:46.473-07:00Edmund Burke considered the killing of Marie Antoi...Edmund Burke considered the killing of Marie Antoinette as the end of the Age of Chivalry. However, the beginning of the end occurred in the Renaissance. (Think about it: have you ever heard of a Renaissance woman?) If you want to pinpoint an exact moment, these lines from Machiavelli's <i>Prince</i> are a good place to start: <br /><br />"For my part I consider that it is better to be adventurous than cautious, because fortune is a woman, and if you wish to keep her under it is necessary to beat and ill-use her; and it is seen that she allows herself to be mastered by the adventurous rather than by those who go to work more coldly. She is, therefore, always, woman-like, a lover of young men, because they are less cautious, more violent, and with more audacity command her."<br /><br />Since the Renaissance, mankind has been treated to the likes of Napoleon, Hitler, Mao, Mussolinim etc. Yikes! I wish I shared your optimism and we could return to a time when politics was soap opera. Unfortunately, I find myself more and more identitfying with the dark cynicism of Mark Twain in <i>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court</i>: We can never go back to the Middle Ages, but is there no alternative to the crazy Yankee notion that the only way to avoid war is mass destruction ("The War to End all Wars")?travisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24935206375213397652012-05-07T07:39:05.275-07:002012-05-07T07:39:05.275-07:00eah:
Actually, I think Obama got substantial supp...eah:<br /><br />Actually, I think Obama got substantial support from that fact. After the 8 year disaster of the Bush administration, I think any child of a political dynasty family was going to have a hard time winning. Presumably many people weren't too excited about Hillary, whose executive experience consisted mainly of watching her capable-but-smarmy husband make decisions. (That said, in hindsight, I think Hillary probably would have made a better president.). Certainly, Jeb Bush wasn't going to get elected.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91250074041479290522012-05-07T07:08:39.910-07:002012-05-07T07:08:39.910-07:00One thing you've got to say for Obama is that ...<i>One thing you've got to say for Obama is that he wasn't married to Bill Clinton or the son of George H.W. Bush. </i><br /><br />But Obama does come from a politically connected family and his parents certainly have ties to CIA and Banking.<br /><br />Or are you forgetting your own work again?<br /><br />TWSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71932923514981636582012-05-07T06:24:03.020-07:002012-05-07T06:24:03.020-07:00"What do they do? What natalist policies do t..."What do they do? What natalist policies do the French have that seem to work so well?"<br /><br />'Well' is relative of course. The native French are still on course to be outnumbered by mostly North African Muslim immigrants eventually. However there are several factors which mitigate against the effects of this:<br /><br />1. Immigrant underclass is cooped up in 'suburbs' with limited access to the important bits of the cities. The areas they dominate are not very important.<br /><br />2. Immigrant underclass is mostly not organised or religious, unlike in Britain where the Salafis now dominate Muslim immigrant communities, the French Muslim immigrant class is hostile but mostly not Islamist.<br /> <br />3. France lacks North-West European/Anglosphere style Political Correctness/Cultural Marxism which acts as a force multiplier for societal destruction. Attempts to import it have not been very successful.<br /><br />4. France lacks a British style white underclass - this seems to be a unique result of Britain's uniquely bad welfare policies and some other societal factors which I'm not sure anyone fully understands. Most white French are net contributors to society.<br /><br />5. As mentioned, the white French birth rate is not good, but not as bad as elsewhere, and the middle class is still having children, which is rare everywhere else.<br /><br />My impression therefore is that France is definitely not the canary in the coalmine of Mark Steyn's imagination. Britain is going down much faster.<br /><br />An example: My London neighbourhood is effectively Salafi dominated, with a huge Salafist 'Islamic centre' (mosque), Saudi-funded Salafi school, etc. They are a minority of the population, but they have the organisation and the potential aggression. During the riots last year, when the State I was *grateful* for this - it meant that the black and white-underclass looters avoided my area, while they trashed white-middle-class areas nearby. But in another way that's a really bad thing - I don't want to be a Dhimmi, reliant on the Salafis for protection.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20834663655230716412012-05-07T01:21:23.592-07:002012-05-07T01:21:23.592-07:00"One thing you've got to say for Obama is...<i>"One thing you've got to say for Obama is that he wasn't married to Bill Clinton or the son of George H.W. Bush."</i><br /><br />It's remarkable how close we came to having twenty-four consecutive years of either a Bush or Clinton in the White House with so few people really even noticing. It's even more remarkable how Jeb Bush remains a viable future candidate for the presidency after the numerous failings of both his father and his elder brother's regimes.<br /><br />Some people claim we have always been this way. Before the Kennedys, we had the Tafts. Before the Tafts, we had the Harrisons. Before the Harrisons, there were the Adams. But with the exception of the Kennedys, I don't think any of those dynasties were quite as densely packed into our political history, or as popular, as the modern-day dynasties have been.<br /><br />I don't think it's healthy. It's like we've turned into Pakistan or some small banana republic.Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69490641713915865712012-05-06T20:06:08.225-07:002012-05-06T20:06:08.225-07:00What do they do? What natalist policies do the Fre...<i>What do they do? What natalist policies do the French have that seem to work so well?</i><br /><br />Another point (but I speak from 20 years old experience). Municipal kindergarten was good and free. College was something like $600/year. With relatively few minorities in the city where I lived, there were few parts where renting was dangerous and thus the rent was more or less evenly spread and fair. Plus, yes, the government gave money for every child born (not sure how much though). So here you have it: no pressing need to save for an expensive house to live away from NAMs, no college expenses to speak of and a spouse can still earn money working instead of working to pay for a daycare. (Not directly relevant but struck me as unusual back then: pediatricians still made house calls).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40674448053675672412012-05-06T19:52:02.708-07:002012-05-06T19:52:02.708-07:00William Cohen is half-Jewish by ancestry but is Un...William Cohen is half-Jewish by ancestry but is Unitarian. See the following link:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_CohenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61708755936076588002012-05-06T17:56:37.898-07:002012-05-06T17:56:37.898-07:00"So if an Australian Aborigine converts to Ju...<b>"So if an Australian Aborigine converts to Judaism"</b><br /><br />Christians are expected to welcome converts into the fold, not Jews. Christians are harshly criticized when they don't welcome certain converts into the fold, as with Mormons when they barred blacks from the priesthood. Not Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29542191422947688052012-05-06T16:40:17.573-07:002012-05-06T16:40:17.573-07:00"Bill Cohen is a Unitarian. Madeline Albright..."Bill Cohen is a Unitarian. Madeline Albright is an Episcopalian."<br /><br />I don't know Cohen's ancestry--know he's married to a black woman, but I do know former Sec. of State Albright is Jewish. She just wrote a book about it and has been on several shows. Her Jewish ancestry and the fact that many of her family members were lost in the Holocaust came as news to her, but she writes about it in her book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50457367312518810922012-05-06T16:40:08.047-07:002012-05-06T16:40:08.047-07:00Bill Cohen is a Unitarian. Madeline Albright is an...<i>Bill Cohen is a Unitarian. Madeline Albright is an Episcopalian</i><br /><br />So if an Australian Aborigine converts to Judaism, he will automatically become a Jew and his IQ and personality will become just the same as those in other Jews? Right? And if Madeline Albright were an Orthodox Christian, she would be a Greek, not a Jew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73934629904126128662012-05-06T16:20:38.980-07:002012-05-06T16:20:38.980-07:00What do they do? What natalist policies do the Fre...<i> What do they do? What natalist policies do the French have that seem to work so well ?</i><br /><br />I can actually speak to this. We discussed it in a class while studying abroad.<br /><br />The French government pays a stipend to every family, no matter their net worth, for each child they have, at least up to four or five.<br /><br />I have no idea how this breaks down following divorce, or in the case of single parenting or unmarried but cohabitating. I suspect that given French attitudes towards family formation the latter category would definitely be honored and quite possibly the single parent category as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3098871154998828722012-05-06T15:02:32.532-07:002012-05-06T15:02:32.532-07:00Obama had lots of powerful connections, including ...<i>Obama had lots of powerful connections, including Jewish ones</i><br /><br />Here's a clip of Sen. Chuck Schumer speaking to a synagogue in Boca Raton two months before the '08 election:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuuBjzZSleM<br /><br />Schumer says to the audience: <br /><br />"First, and foremost. Barack Obama has been a supporter and a believer in Israel from before he was in the Senate. You can look it up and see the record. And you know who got him started in politics - not in the Presidential, that's everyone as I said, says the right thing - but before that? <b>It was the two leading Jewish families of Chicago.</b> But most people don't know enough about him. So I wanted to come here and tell you this."<br /><br />Presumably he's referring to the Crown and Pritzker families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26704838558617902782012-05-06T14:56:12.310-07:002012-05-06T14:56:12.310-07:00The French think they lost WW2 because their popul...<i> The French think they lost WW2 because their population growth stalled out post-Napoleon, so pro-natalism has been national policy for over 60 years. It's why the not very religious French are tied with the Irish for highest birthrate in Europe.</i><br /><br />What do they do? What natalist policies do the French have that seem to work so well? <br /><br />Considering France's long history of centralization and statism (compared to the US), I suspect French methods might not work here, but it's worth knowing about them anyway. <br /><br />What if it turned out that government intervention really could work to raise the non-dysgenic white fertility rate? It would raise an interesting conflict for natalist libertarians.Get Off My Lawn!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64083167280037061042012-05-06T14:30:24.164-07:002012-05-06T14:30:24.164-07:00Oy, it's always about the Scots-Irish, idn'...<i>Oy, it's always about the Scots-Irish, idn't it?<br /><br />...Well, Obama is a media creation, but the rest were self-made...</i> <br /><br />I think you just answered your own question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69485557779682757682012-05-06T14:12:16.874-07:002012-05-06T14:12:16.874-07:00To be fair, a lot of the most promising Kennedys (...To be fair, a lot of the most promising Kennedys (ie JFK JR) died under strange circumstances.<br /><br />The rest of the family would rather just take it easy, I think. Politics is an exhausting profession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17579829718512593352012-05-06T14:06:39.792-07:002012-05-06T14:06:39.792-07:00The influence of the female vote, and particularly...The influence of the female vote, and particularly White female unmarried (probably describes most White women under 45) tends towards soap opera characteristics, because that benefits them. See Obama's "Julia" stuff. The female voters love love love Alpha males, or any presentation of them, and also (dominant) non-Western males.<br /><br />The dirty little secret of Modern Western prosperity is that it is built upon male cooperation, dutifulness, and restriction of violence, as well as abstract technology improvements. All things White women HATE HATE HATE because it produces boring, beta male men without sexy dominance.<br /><br />Hollande is weak and colorless, but used effectively lots of campaign videos featuring threatening Black thugs and such endorsing him, to Jay-Z's "N***** in Paris" rap song. That endorsement by threatening hyper-macho dominant Black thugs got him the women's vote. Interestingly, Le Pen gets mostly working class White male votes.<br /><br />Most (not all) White women would gladly live in grinding poverty and misery if only they had lots of sexy dominant men around. You see plenty of women (and men seeking favor from them) endorsing lots of Black, North African, Pakistani immigration throughout the West, but NEVER say, "Lets import lots of Koreans and Japanese and Chinese." Those guys are not sexy, and women in the West want nothing to do with them.<br /><br />Meanwhile this generates "threat appraisal" reactions among most White guys in the West, but they have to meet approval by women, that's a powerful force splitting off unity there.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1334126910645681772012-05-06T13:50:42.130-07:002012-05-06T13:50:42.130-07:00"George P. Bush has some potential."
Ye..."George P. Bush has some potential."<br /><br />Yeah, let's all live on the latifundia.Macnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16969281488223001842012-05-06T13:42:05.953-07:002012-05-06T13:42:05.953-07:00"At one point 3 of his top 4 cabinet posts we..."At one point 3 of his top 4 cabinet posts were filled by Jews (Rubin/Summers at Treasury, Cohen at Defense, Albright at State)..."<br /><br />Bill Cohen is a Unitarian. Madeline Albright is an Episcopalian.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14987548132065830204noreply@blogger.com