tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6337878263973423152..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The NYT's long war on Arizona rolls onUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76047349538570848122011-01-19T16:28:02.205-08:002011-01-19T16:28:02.205-08:00"So you could argue that Loughner shot the mo..."So you could argue that Loughner shot the more conservative rep because she was more conservative."<br /><br />Then why, exactly, did he not drive to Phoenix and shoot Juan McCain?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28389250783994072972011-01-19T13:58:55.210-08:002011-01-19T13:58:55.210-08:00I'm a bit late to this blog posting but "...I'm a bit late to this blog posting but "Gray Lady Down" by William McGowan is a great read. It talks about how the NYT has dropped all pretense at being balanced (in every sense of the word) on a number of issues and has a whole chapter devoted to race and one on immigration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57292191465641556812011-01-19T06:33:46.267-08:002011-01-19T06:33:46.267-08:00"The story about Oswald being on the FBI'..."The story about Oswald being on the FBI's payroll was made up by two reporters who thought that they were being monitored. They discussed informant numbers and Oswald to try to confirm their suspicions. <br /><br />This, according to Alonzo Hudkins."<br /><br /><br />I can check that out; I'm in touch with researchers who would know better than I. But considering the countless lies and deliberate oversights of the Warren Commission and its "supporters" (who are still around and still on the offense), it would not matter to the overall assertion of a massive conspiracy. LHO was first and foremost, a CIA operative who found out too late he couldn't back out. They have you once, they have you for life.lesleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64160205471160005102011-01-18T16:43:50.656-08:002011-01-18T16:43:50.656-08:00Speaking of the JFK assassination, let's fight...Speaking of the JFK assassination, let's fight about whether the moon landing was faked.Old School Trollnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6978506153184781482011-01-18T12:05:09.468-08:002011-01-18T12:05:09.468-08:00The story about Oswald being on the FBI's payr...The story about Oswald being on the FBI's payroll was made up by two reporters who thought that they were being monitored. They discussed informant numbers and Oswald to try to confirm their suspicions. <br /><br />This, according to Alonzo Hudkins.Geoff Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335872605196107867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88659394442409634452011-01-18T06:56:30.155-08:002011-01-18T06:56:30.155-08:00"You can find refutations of the nutcase'..."You can find refutations of the nutcase's "facts" by searching Posner's and Bugliosi's books at Amazon."<br /><br />"I just hate people who read some book, take it as the gospel, and then assume they know everything."<br /><br />Nutcase? That's a funny epithet to be using here, blog of so many heretical notions. But then this site is well-monitored, I'm sure, by people with varying interests.<br /><br />I did not just read "one book." I have read many of various povs. As I said, I've studied this for YEARS.<br /><br />So should I take the first commenter's advice and rely on two books rather than one? I believe he also said, "Who cares anymore?" another line detractors throw out to squash any protesting squeeks about lies and cover-ups. A lot of people care, many of them young. The executors of the 1963 coup d'etat were hoping people would not care after even 5 years, but here it is nearly fifty on and people still care. Because we are still living with the repercussions and many of the players are still around and in action, dude. Or their immediate descendants, political and/or biological are.<br /><br /> Douglass' is one of the best studies and extolled by reviewers of every stripe. He does view the whole thing with a spiritual slant, as he believed Kennedy, for all his foibles, had a real conscience was going through shock at what he was finding out--how politics really worked at his level and higher. But that does not take the place of cold, hard evidence and documentation.<br /><br /> Who wonders why a Warren Commission packed with JFK's enemies and people he fired (Dulles) would be, perhaps, suspect even if they had done their job? <br /><br /> Bugliosi and Posner? Posner admitted he wrote the "Oswald did it" book because that's what the pubishers wanted. And Bugliosi?<br />Don't make me laugh. <br /><br />I don't know if you'd want to call it "right" or "left" but <br />Robert Morrow, JFK researcher has this to say, "The Far Left, the Far Right and the libertarians (Lew Rockwell) have figured out the JFK assassination. It is the Depraved Middle that murdered John Kennedy and is still covering it up. That is why so much radioactive horse manure has come out of the Council on Foreign Relations; the CFR for decades was and personified "the Establishment." Lyndon Johnson, Nelson Rockefeller, George Herbert Walker Bush, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon ... that is your Depraved Middle that murdered and/or covered up the JFK Assassination. Call them the "murdering moderates" if you will."<br /><br />Here is the email address of D.L. Adams: dladams@ahollowreveille.com . I suggest shooting him some emails and giving him your best information on the 1963 Coup d'Etat."<br /><br />Here is his bio:<br />http://www.familysec...thor_detail.asp "<br /><br /> All I have to say is read "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs. You may not agree totally, but you'll never think the same again. Maybe not about anything.lesleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70379080336235794892011-01-18T02:41:41.181-08:002011-01-18T02:41:41.181-08:00You can find refutations of the nutcase's &quo...You can find refutations of the nutcase's "facts" by searching Posner's and Bugliosi's books at Amazon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51801579769798030562011-01-17T20:39:57.922-08:002011-01-17T20:39:57.922-08:00Loughner shot a Democratic congressman. No, he sho...Loughner shot a Democratic congressman. No, he shot <i>his</i> congressman. Interestingly, Tucson is split between two congressional districts - the 7th and 8th. The 8th district is held by "Blue Dog" Gabrielle Giffords. The 7th is majority Hispanic and held by Raul Grijalva (D), who also lives in Tucson. Grijalva is well to the left of Giffords (or at least the persona Giffords presents to the voting public). He even supports the boycott of Arizona.<br /><br />Loughner, according to all reports, lives in Giffords's district. Grijalva, though, probably gets about as much media coverage in the Tucson media market. So who did Loghner choose to shoot? The more conservative of Tucson's two House reps. So you could argue that Loughner shot the more conservative rep <i>because</i> she was more conservative.<br /><br />But of course with all their prior arguments falling flat on their face, the Left and the LSM has taken to complaining that the shooting had nothing to do with Loughner's political views, but with the climate of hate supposedly nurtured by the right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67825833325805258602011-01-17T20:14:11.898-08:002011-01-17T20:14:11.898-08:00White children in minority-white schools should be...White children in minority-white schools should be protected from their liberal teachers stirring up ethnic hatred towards them no matter how unpopular that is with the NYT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30231753607706562142011-01-17T19:02:54.878-08:002011-01-17T19:02:54.878-08:00"for that they need a peasant base from which..."for that they need a peasant base from which they claim spokesmen status."<br /><br />"Spokesmen" do not exist. The word you're looking for is "spokeshole."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71120717759323371632011-01-17T19:00:36.744-08:002011-01-17T19:00:36.744-08:00Fascinating, the amount of vitriol that has been s...Fascinating, the amount of vitriol that has been spent in the aftermath of Tucson in the name of encouraging "civility."<br /><br />In the past I've debated with friends and family over politics. To me it's fun, mostly. This, however, is different. Even after having been proven wrong, the Left is hanging on to this issue like a pit bull. They just refuse to let it go. I've never ended a single friendship over a political issue. Never. But I've ended friendships over this one - in both cases, lifelong friendships.<br /><br />I expect the attitude is widespread. The nastiness is simply amazing, and to me it suggests a more permanent political rift. Two weeks ago I believed there was a lot of nastiness and incivility on both sides of the political divide. I thought that the Left was a lot more venomous than the Right, but in any argument, for comity, I would've conceded that they were pretty close. No more. This time they've taken the trophy.<br /><br />One of the friendships I ended dated back to high school. He is a far left lawyer, who is so well-informed that he thinks Massachusetts is politically moderate and that George W. Bush is far-right wing. These people are all blind from their anger, or a lot less well-informed than they're willing to concede.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6762055969368553612011-01-17T17:39:34.011-08:002011-01-17T17:39:34.011-08:00They lack, after all, the native talent and abilit...<i>They lack, after all, the native talent and ability to succeed in America as anything other than government subsidized activists, and for that they need a peasant base from which they claim spokesmen status.</i> <br /><br />I think it's much worse than that.<br /><br />I honestly don't think these government-subsidized activists are trying to "help" anyone - I think they are actively trying to destroy this nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49467724556055143662011-01-17T17:10:08.183-08:002011-01-17T17:10:08.183-08:00"given the fact that white Europeans virtuall..."given the fact that white Europeans virtually exterminated Native Americans in North America and utterly subjugated them in South America, I'd say that allowing Hispanics to vent a little bit isn't too much out of line, no?"<br /><br />Considering that most Hispanics are mestizo, thus part European colonizer themselves, I don't see their resentment as especially coherent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37398652491137376262011-01-17T16:27:30.000-08:002011-01-17T16:27:30.000-08:00Lesley, first off, this lady wasn't a senator ...Lesley, first off, this lady wasn't a senator - she is in the House of Reps. Secondly, I think you missed Albertosauress's point, which was that the media reaction to single out a whole State is analogous to back then, not the shooting itself."<br /><br />Sorry, I knew she was a representative, not a senator. I should have said "Congress." And I did get his point about the media singling out a state. But frankly, Lee H. Oswald and all that name conjures up, just grabs me more. It's something I've been studying for years. <br />As far as Arizona goes, somehow it doesn't surprise me too much that the "left" has found a means to play the grand victim to the "right." The poor woman and the other people who were shot were the victims, not the "left." Both terms are just conjurers tricks.<br />So, yes, I missed pont du jour. But that other point was, for me, the point of the century.lesleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88596336368501143282011-01-17T15:52:40.421-08:002011-01-17T15:52:40.421-08:00"Lesley, those are some interesting rumors, a..."Lesley, those are some interesting rumors, anecdotes and bits of hearsay you have. But I put more stock in Albertosaurus's firsthand account than in the thoughts of some kid in Cleveland."<br /><br />Have I wandered in to the "Why Johnny Can't Read" thread? <br />What are you talking about?<br /><br />Did you read my comment? The kid in Cleveland had nothing to do with my point, he was just a sideline of commiseration on a certain note. <br /><br />The point is: was Lee Harvey Oswald guilty as not-charged? And what you are calling "rumors" is documented testimony and records brought out in court because they had been deliberately suppressed during the Warren Commission. We don't need rumors. We have the evidence. Even after all this time. Determined researchers in law, politics and history have been at this for going on 50 years despite powerful MSM discouragment; and the truth is there, somewhat in pieces, but there. While the quote below is obtainable from any number of sources, I got mine (as I quoted in my comment you apparently did not read)from "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters." Douglass, James. (Orbis Books, 2008), an extraordinarily well-researched book.<br />I'll repeat myself, at the risk of being a tool: there are 50 years of research: <br />Re Oswald: "During this time up until the assassination Oswald was on the FBI payroll, receiving $200 per month. This startling fact was covered up by the Warren Commission even though it was stated by the Commission’s own general counsel J. Lee Rankin at a closed-door meeting on January 27, 1964. The meeting had been declared “top secret” and its content only uncovered ten years later after a lengthy legal battle by researcher Harold Weisberg. Douglass claims Oswald “seems to have been working with both the CIA and FBI,” as a provocateur for the former and an informant for the latter. Jim and Elsie Wilcott, who worked at the CIA Tokyo Station from 1960 to 1964, in a 1978 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, said, “It was common knowledge in the Tokyo CIA hstation that Oswald worked for te agency.” JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters. Douglass, James. (Orbis Books, 2008). Or try, "Dr. Mary's Monkey" by Ed Haslam, another extraordinary research document on what happened in the early 60s in New Orleans.<br />I don't deal in "rumors" when there are facts at hand. For this subject especially, you sure as hell don't need to. You just have to dodge those magic bullets the Lone Gunman fraternity keeps in readiness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65433769046156796722011-01-17T15:40:22.571-08:002011-01-17T15:40:22.571-08:00Anon: "virtually exterminated"? Not like...Anon: "virtually exterminated"? Not likely. "Utterly subjugated"? Are you talking about Hugo Chavez? Pancho Villa? Vincente Fox? Or some other brown subjugator?<br /><br />There is some weird cognitive dissonance about our Little Brown Brothers screaming “Gringo oppression!„ and then crawling over broken glass and burning sands to get the hell out of their native villages to America where white folks can take care of them better than they ever took care of the tribe down the street.<br /><br />Guatemalan Indian girls dose up on abortifacients and antibiotics to survive the inevitable rapes and robberies by their little brown brothers in Mexico in order to throw themselves on the tender mercies of American white folks. <br /><br />Forgive me if I don't have any patience for their wailing and ulullating about gringo oppression. It seems like they would be intimately aware of how twisted their homeboys are. <br /><br />But that, perhaps, is Steve's point. They are not the whiners. They know what utter sh!tholes their countries are and how lucky they are to escape the tender ministrations of their countrymen.. It is their leftist postmodern would-be spokesmen who are doing all the whining and posturing. They lack, after all, the native talent and ability to succeed in America as anything other than government subsidized activists, and for that they need a peasant base from which they claim spokesmen status.Bigbillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37613551847234804572011-01-17T15:35:56.295-08:002011-01-17T15:35:56.295-08:00"You see an analogy to "demonizing"..."<i>You see an analogy to "demonizing" Arizona, to demonizing Texas after 1963?<br />This analogy does not fit. Kennedy was a president, not a senate member, and there were oodles of people out to get him, not one schizophrenic. Also, his enemies were bipartisan. </i>"<br /><br />Lesley, first off, this lady wasn't a senator - she is in the House of Reps. Secondly, I think you missed Albertosauress's point, which was that the media reaction to single out a whole State is analogous to back then, not the shooting itself.Mel Tormenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21447184527778716672011-01-17T15:29:49.512-08:002011-01-17T15:29:49.512-08:00"Lesley, those are some interesting rumors, a..."Lesley, those are some interesting rumors, anecdotes and bits of hearsay you have. But I put more stock in Albertosaurus's firsthand account than in the thoughts of some kid in Cleveland."<br /><br />...even if Albertosaurus does have more first hand stories than Forrest Gump ;-)<br />Gilbert PinfoldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2147664940116841562011-01-17T14:58:14.662-08:002011-01-17T14:58:14.662-08:00Sorry, I have to respond to the nutcase who wrote:...Sorry, I have to respond to the nutcase who wrote:<br /><br />"Re Oswald: "During this time up until the assassination Oswald was on the FBI payroll, receiving $200 per month. This startling fact was covered up by the Warren Commission even though it was stated by the Commission’s own general counsel J. Lee Rankin at a closed-door meeting on January 27, 1964. The meeting had been declared “top secret” and its content only uncovered ten years later after a lengthy legal battle by researcher Harold Weisberg."<br /><br />So it has been public since 1974 and nobody has mentioned or cared aout it except you and this other guy? <br /><br />"Douglass claims Oswald “seems to have been working with both the CIA and FBI,” as a provocateur for the former and an informant for the latter."<br /><br />Oh, so now it just "seems".<br /><br />Jim and Elsie Wilcott, who worked at the CIA Tokyo Station from 1960 to 1964, in a 1978 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, said, “It was common knowledge in the Tokyo CIA hstation that Oswald worked for te agency.” JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters. Douglass, James. (Orbis Books, 2008)." <br /><br />And nobody but you and this other guy has cared about it since 1978. <br /><br />I just hate people who read some book, take it as the gospel, and then assume they know everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50781816968679948882011-01-17T14:51:26.848-08:002011-01-17T14:51:26.848-08:00So, a story revealing (or an interpretation of) an...<i>So, a story revealing (or an interpretation of) an aspect of Arizona is now a "war" if that story is not flattering?</i><br /><br />Claudia, if you seriously read that as an implication that a single story constitutes a "war", then you need to work on your reading comprehension.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80782091632718334012011-01-17T14:17:00.880-08:002011-01-17T14:17:00.880-08:00What happens when Whites stop feeling guilty?
Is ...What happens when Whites stop feeling guilty?<br /><br />Is White guilt over stuff done 150 or 50 years ago an inexhaustible resource?<br /><br />Yes Whites did bad things to Blacks a long time ago. Blacks do bad things to Whites now. Who cares about Civil Rights? After all Whites are not included, according to sworn testimony in front of Congress by former DOJ Civil Rights attorneys (including J. Christian Adams).<br /><br />Civil Rights and MLK are "Black things" like Crunk, or Do-rags, or various dances and so on. <br /><br />THAT is the legacy of excluding Whites from Civil Rights and betting it all on White guilt.<br /><br />The NYT itself is in free-fall, relying on loans from Carlos Slim to keep the presses moving.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38330285436076775162011-01-17T14:15:30.358-08:002011-01-17T14:15:30.358-08:00"Anonymous said...
OOPS - wrong anti-governm..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />OOPS - wrong anti-government activism:<br /><br /> Looking Behind the Mug-Shot Grin<br /> By THE NEW YORK TIMES<br /> Published: January 15, 2011<br /> nytimes.com"<br /><br />Yes, it was interesting how they manipulated facts in that NYT article. They mentioned that Loughner would get angry even at the sight of G.W. Bush. Elsewhere they mention his bimetalist obsession (i.e. paying debts with gold and silver), and hasten to add that this is characteristic of "right-wing extremists". But they never characterize his vitriolic hatred of G.W. Bush as characteristic of left-wing extremists. So when Loughner, in his mental derangement, fixes on some crazy right-wing idea, it's right-wing. But when he fixes on a crazy left-wing idea, it's just crazy.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87034631991735874982011-01-17T14:10:33.146-08:002011-01-17T14:10:33.146-08:00"I think you'll find that black crime has..."I think you'll find that black crime has increased dramatically at the same time that venting has been encouraged."<br /><br />Other way around.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10129538966179016362011-01-17T14:04:29.312-08:002011-01-17T14:04:29.312-08:00Lesley, those are some interesting rumors, anecdot...Lesley, those are some interesting rumors, anecdotes and bits of hearsay you have. But I put more stock in Albertosaurus's firsthand account than in the thoughts of some kid in Cleveland.Christopher Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33642275011075668912011-01-17T13:49:16.362-08:002011-01-17T13:49:16.362-08:00***I say let the Hispanics in America today blow o...***I say let the Hispanics in America today blow off a little steam. Usually people behave better in real life if they're allowed to vent a little every now and then.***<br /><br />I think you'll find that black crime has increased dramatically at the same time that venting has been encouraged. I think your theory is dangerously wrong.M Schwartznoreply@blogger.com