tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6381926307700896037..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Poor old William SaletanUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76546787895189664052009-05-04T19:59:00.000-07:002009-05-04T19:59:00.000-07:00If tomorrow all of America woke up and looked at e...<I>If tomorrow all of America woke up and looked at each other and said 'Blacks and Hispanics are dumb!' what would it change, what would we do next?</I> - Kiss the Goat<br /><br />We note out loud the connection that all observant people have made silently - the connections between IQ and violence, between IQ and time horizons. Then we could make it clear to young-people that the "courage" and "rebelliousness" of black and Mexican culture is nothing of the kind - it's just childishness with big muscles and drivers' licenses.<br /><br />So we treat people as individuals, and raise up the smartest black and Chicanos. Fine. Great. I'm all for it. That means IQ tests for immigration, right? And for voting? And/or literacy tests for both? We reverse <I>Duke Power</I> and start allowing IQ tests in employment. The argument against those tests at present is ... that they're unfair to black and Chicanos. <br /><br />Deframing the racial issue the way Saletan wants would rob the left of its chance to use racial "disparate impact" as a bludgeon to smash the tools by which people can study each other's potential. Once we admit what psychometrics is telling us, we find that standardized tests can be, and usually are, completely fair. And people like me find that, odd as it may sound, computer-scored multiple choice tests lead to the same conclusion that personal experience does.<br /><br />Saletan's retreat from leftist racialism is a good sign. It means the tide may well be turning, with leftists falling back from "white is evil" to "stop thinking about race". The latter, as some have mentioned, is the Rush Limbaugh position.P.E. Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17693534065986125317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85294473874479970592009-05-04T05:21:00.000-07:002009-05-04T05:21:00.000-07:00The NAEP black-white score gap may not have change...The NAEP black-white score gap may not have changed much in the last couple years, but it has fallen by about a third of a standard deviation in the United States in the last 50 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38867087717898776802009-05-04T05:16:00.000-07:002009-05-04T05:16:00.000-07:00Thanks for much for your post. I have been saying...Thanks for much for your post. I have been saying that race is all about descent, to no avail, for years now. The 'myth of race' doctrine has done great disservice by pretending that race can be genetic only if it produces morphological similarities.Michael Neumannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558892758943318577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45597423734952740162009-05-03T19:45:00.000-07:002009-05-03T19:45:00.000-07:00My point isn't to deny the existence of an achieve...<I>My point isn't to deny the existence of an achievement gap, nor necessarily even debate the causes or factors contributing to the gap. The point is, for you, Steve Sailer, to essentially state that a black individual, one with which you have no acquaintance with, that based on statistics, based on your race, you probably will never achieve as much as me no matter what you do simply going by race is, at the very least, incredibly fatalistic</I>.<br /><br />I think Steve is looking at it from the demographically significant pov. At the public policy level.<br /><br />He is not saying that each individual is doomed to follow a certain racial destiny. Its in the aggregate that useful truths about racial difference emerge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48897244590942076312009-05-03T16:36:00.000-07:002009-05-03T16:36:00.000-07:00Race realism doesn't get admitted because it's too...<I>Race realism doesn't get admitted because it's too scary to think of what the implications of officially acknowledging it are....</I>No way. The implications of acknowledging the truth are less onerous than the reailty of denying it. As of now, 65% of US citizens are enslaved to accomplish an impossible task. I can't think of any undesirable implications of acknowledging the truthy that would set us free. The end of AA? From an objective standpoint there's nothing wrong with that? Freedom of association? Nothing wrong with that.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15434609758039654062009-05-03T13:11:00.000-07:002009-05-03T13:11:00.000-07:00I think when realists ask "what do we do with the ...<I>I think when realists ask "what do we do with the NAMs if/when everyone gives up on equality" they really mean "How do we manage the NAMs in a logical way and minimize the societal damage they cause?" </I>This is what I think is the interesting question, not, banging away on the obvious 'Blacks are dumb' (statistically speaking) but, <I>so now what</I>? Ok, end AA, maybe somehow put in a points system for immigration, but further, would we dare to stop putting so much energy and money into minority schools? Allow private self re-segregation (stop busing)? There's a book in this for someone <B>really</B> daring. Many of the comments remind me of the advice to junior workers - "Don't bring the boss problems, bring him solutions" (do the work and let him choose, or just give the go ahead is the implication). Race realism doesn't get admitted because it's too scary to think of what the implications of officially acknowledging it are; if you'd really like to see it accepted, think out scenarios for what happens next, and ways to make them non-scary.rainy_dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14988377881664865258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64700917428399411562009-05-03T09:09:00.000-07:002009-05-03T09:09:00.000-07:00"I, for one, would find a good use for the $10,000..."I, for one, would find a good use for the $10,000 that is stolen from me annually."<br /><br />Great, purchase a buried treasue map and buy a ticket to Iraq, you'l find it.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15322870100763606532009-05-01T22:52:00.000-07:002009-05-01T22:52:00.000-07:00"I don't know what an "Epsilon" is"It's a referenc...<I>"I don't know what an "Epsilon" is"</I>It's a reference to Aldous Huxley's novel A Brave New World. Human fetuses were incubated in machines, and the amount of oxygen they were given during development was modulated to create five different mental groups, alphas being normal, and epsilons being borderline retarded. The epsilons were the untouchable/worker drones of the society.<br /><br />- FredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37774019876283781182009-05-01T21:04:00.000-07:002009-05-01T21:04:00.000-07:00I have an idea that I've never seen anyone put for...I have an idea that I've never seen anyone put forth. <br /><br />It is the idea that because whites are so incorrigibly racist, that they must separate themselves from blacks to avoid doing harm to them. <br /><br />You can actually put together an *extremely* strong case for this in leftist terms. <br /><br />1. Every time a leftist denounces white flight, they will also denounce gentrification. <br /><br />2. Every time they denounce the unwillingness of whites to adopt black babies, they will also denounce the practice of transracial adoption (e.g. in Australia). <br /><br />3. Condemnations of refusal to lend to blacks are followed by attacks on predatory lending. <br /><br />4. Spluttering over the heartlessness of Reagan -- who "stood by" while blacks killed each other over crack in the 80's -- was quickly succeeded by anger over "excessive penalties" for crack. <br /><br /><br />Because whites are denounced no matter what they do, it is a simple matter to pick and choose the yin of each leftist argument and leave the yang, kind of like Maxwell's demon. <br /><br />Leftists are generally so stupid and emotional that they won't realize what's happening when the argument is presented this way. Get them all het up about the horrible evil of the white man. They'll agree that separation is the only way to go. Don't throw me into the Briar Patch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57678953105891150272009-05-01T20:53:00.000-07:002009-05-01T20:53:00.000-07:00Oooooooooo,
Is George Will a new iSteve reader???...Oooooooooo,<br /><br />Is George Will a new iSteve reader???<br /><br />Californians Must Take Their State Back<br /><br />http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=326074036147323<br /><br />National economic revival is being impeded because one-eighth of the nation's population lives in a state that is driving itself into permanent stagnation.<br /><br />California's perennial boast —that it's the incubator of America's future—now has an increasingly dark urgency.<br /><br />Under Arnold Schwarzenegger, the best governor the states contiguous to California have ever had, people and businesses have been relocating in those states. <br /><br />For four straight years, more Americans have moved out of California than have moved in. California's business costs are more than 20% higher than the average state's. In the last decade, net out-migration of Americans has been 1.4 million. <br /><br /><B>California is exporting talent while importing Mexico's poverty. The latter is not California's fault; the former is.</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50813177686491801422009-05-01T19:07:00.000-07:002009-05-01T19:07:00.000-07:00And another thing. What is this "we" shit? Why is ...<I>And another thing. What is this "we" shit? Why is it always "our" job to do the heavy lifting (and paying for it)? NAMs don't seem as interested in improving their education as much as liberal whites do</I>. <br /><br />I think when realists ask "what do we do with the NAMs if/when everyone gives up on equality" they really mean "How do we manage the NAMs in a logical way and minimize the societal damage they cause?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10039381106392618102009-05-01T18:49:00.000-07:002009-05-01T18:49:00.000-07:00"Liberal creationists—people who think no genetica..."Liberal creationists—people who think no genetically based difference can be admitted in average ability between populations—are mistaken. But that doesn't make race a useful or socially healthy way of categorizing people."<br /><br />Come again? He thinks that racial differences are a cause of differences in ability, but then says that they don't matter anyway? Does that mean he thinks that ability doesn't matter?<br /><br />I think it actually means something else entirely - he doesn't think. Not much, anyway. The sentence I quoted above is evidence of extreme muddle-headedness. So was his series of articles about Watson. Remember, he didn't write it because he wanted to speak truth to power. He apparently wrote it because he did not understand what was and what wasn't allowed to be published at a magazine like Slate. He'd worked there for God knows how many years, and he still didn't know what the rules there were. This is not very smart. <br /><br />He wrote about the emperor's nakedness not because he was uncommonly brave or a firm believer in honest discourse. He wrote about the emperor's nakedness because he didn't even know that this was a sensitive subject at court. Or at least he wasn't aware of exactly how sensitive it was. Every child and adult out there knew, but he didn't.<br /><br />This is like not knowing how many continents there, not like being Steve Sailer or Charles Murray or John Derbyshire. Some charge out of the trenches because they think that fighting the enemy is the right thing to do in the grand scheme of things. Others do it because they mistakenly think that there's nobody out there to shoot them. Then they hear a couple of bullets wizz by and immediately fall back into the trenches crying. For mommy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52520115660898507512009-05-01T18:30:00.000-07:002009-05-01T18:30:00.000-07:00>Jazz in particular is a very G loaded activity...>Jazz in particular is a very G loaded activity<br /><br />the iq=music connection is foggy because the musical areas of the brain remain a mystery....autistic people with little rational cognition of the world around them are known to be musically gifted.....factor in the various musical genres and disciplines that call for different types of brainpower and the issue is complex...<br /><br />and i don't think vast majority black jazz musicians are playing chess in their heads any more than black dancers are playing chess in their heads.......they are feeling it....but some white and asian jazz musicians are playing chess in their heads as a substitute for feeling it and that's where you get that highly technical jazz that nobody listens to.wake upnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46555258362414343672009-05-01T18:06:00.000-07:002009-05-01T18:06:00.000-07:00Steve I admire your stick-to-it-iveness on this is...Steve I admire your stick-to-it-iveness on this issue. But the Left doesn't care about facts. Every issue comes down to ends justify the means and the end is always the same--faux equality uber alles. <br /><br />The faux equality is the really sick aspect of Left wing politics. Orwell nailed them with 'some pigs are more equal than others'. And they nailed themselves when they announced 'We create our own reality'.<br /><br />Now look at them attack the Miss USA contestant like a pack of jackals. I think we can see where this is headed.Steeragenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79001256942865820172009-05-01T17:22:00.000-07:002009-05-01T17:22:00.000-07:00J. Williams:
The point is, for you, Steve Sailer,...J. Williams:<br /><br /><EM>The point is, for you, Steve Sailer, to essentially state that a black individual, one with which you have no acquaintance with, that based on statistics, based on your race, you probably will never achieve as much as me no matter what you do simply going by race is, at the very least, incredibly fatalistic.</EM> <br /><br />Okay, I'll bite, since Steve won't respond to this himself. By "essentially," do you mean "never"? Steve just compared Tiger Woods to Mozart in the previous post for Pete's sake!<br /><br />He's also a fan of Thomas Sowell, Duke Ellington, and Ward Cornerly, the last of whom he wrote in for presidency last year. We iSteve readers have no problem judging individuals individually, it's the racial bean counters who do.Tom Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69023878967058346272009-05-01T16:57:00.000-07:002009-05-01T16:57:00.000-07:00jhd said
He could have done no better service to...jhd said <br /><br /><I>He could have done no better service to raising said awareness than by linking to this blog, and I suspect he knows that.<br /><br />Bravo, Saletan. You take a tone that allows you to keep your job, while exposing people to truth by linking to it.</I>I agree. Saletan is the Anwar El Sadat of MSM. Let's hope he keeps his job!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83752343825716686582009-05-01T16:50:00.000-07:002009-05-01T16:50:00.000-07:00give up on minorities [?]Yes.<I>give up on minorities [?]</I>Yes.Svigor not Stevehttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15356595137078330742009-05-01T16:48:00.000-07:002009-05-01T16:48:00.000-07:00What is this "we" shit?
Bingo. I object to the ...<I>What is this "we" shit?</I> <br /><br />Bingo. I object to the definition of we, I object to the assumption of the authority to define we, I object to the abrogation of my right to define we, and obviously I object to what gets done in the name of we.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3068349536984100432009-05-01T16:47:00.000-07:002009-05-01T16:47:00.000-07:00"He loved big brother.""He loved big brother."stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23169171141200546392009-05-01T16:43:00.000-07:002009-05-01T16:43:00.000-07:00Considering the small sample of Blacks relative to...<I>Considering the small sample of Blacks relative to their population and yet dominance of Jazz, particularly in instrumental performances, but also in composition, one has to wonder if perhaps G is not more flexible than imagined.</I>Pretty mushy.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10116381950145580782009-05-01T15:58:00.000-07:002009-05-01T15:58:00.000-07:00"ben tillman said...
I, for one, would find a goo..."ben tillman said...<br /><br />I, for one, would find a good use for the $10,000 that is stolen from me annually to equalize the unequalizable. Maybe something that would help me and my family. Don't know about you...."<br /><br />"Anonymous Anonymous said...<br /><br />And another thing. What is this "we" shit? Why is it always "our" job to do the heavy lifting (and paying for it)? NAMs don't seem as interested in improving their education as much as liberal whites do."<br /><br />Well said, both. I fail to see why I should consider the problems of black folk to be my greatest and most important concern. Blacks (or thier white liberal champions) always seem to be saying, in effect: "WE have a big problem here. What are YOU going to do about it."<br /><br />I'd prefer to take care of my own - what they do to solve thier problems is THIER business.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24221527225012959212009-05-01T15:55:00.000-07:002009-05-01T15:55:00.000-07:00"Now if we could just shift Limbaugh to the Charle..."Now if we could just shift Limbaugh to the Charles Murray/Steve Sailer school of sociology.."<br /><br />I rarely listen to Limbaugh as I'm far to his right, generally only when I'm driving. Well, the other day he made my mouth drop... he referenced a scene out of "Idiocracy" and talked about what a great movie it was! My intuition tells me that he is aware of the Steveosphere and the Traditionalists, but doesn't feel comfortable with what it means politically. <br />I do think being a realist is not plausible for conservatives, yet, I don't believe being a conservative idealist is workable, either. I foresee the break-up of the U.S. in my lifetime. <br />I'm surprised Steve has written about this, yet, (probably too busy with Ricci, don't blame him) but it seems our country is passing a rubicon: criminizaling political disagreement and making pariahs and endangering citizens whose sole crime is that they worked for the government doing things we don't like. I'm of course speaking of the desire to prosecute the Bush administration and lawyers who worked with them for crimes of torture and the outing of two civilians by ABC who did sensitive work because they so detested these men. I hated the war as much as the next person, but this is unbelievable.<br />I have believed for about a year that the U.S. won't remain intact as it is now, yet it's surprising to see things keep descending, seemingly past the point of no return. Our citizenry has lost its innocence and knows it is being sold down the river for the sake of the rich, powerful, and connected How then can it also survive these witchhunts? As well as the crushing debt to come from the bailouts and egalitarian schemes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89101897731950390172009-05-01T15:50:00.000-07:002009-05-01T15:50:00.000-07:00KissTheGoat: What would you do, Steve, give up on ...<B>KissTheGoat:</B> <I>What would you do, Steve, give up on minorities and segregate them away as Epsilons?</I> <br /><br />I don't know what an "Epsilon" is, but a democracy [demos kratia] doesn't work if 50% + 1 [50% + "epsilon"?] of the people can vote to steal the property of the other 50% - 1.<br /><br />And not only the property of the 50% - 1, but the property of their children, and their children's children, and their children's children's children, for as far as the eye can see into the future.<br /><br />Of course, it would be better if the government had never been empowered to steal anyone's money in the first place, but even that lofty goal presupposes a moral, self-sufficient citizenry which would never stoop to stealing from one another.<br /><br />Bottom line being that there are an awful lot of peoples in the world who just don't seem to have what it takes to live as a free people in a free republic [and certainly not in a democracy].Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4873317149806022842009-05-01T15:02:00.000-07:002009-05-01T15:02:00.000-07:00kissthegoat: as someone once said, there is a huge...kissthegoat: as someone once said, there is a huge difference between "it's your fault I'm poor" vs. "it's not my fault I'm dumb".<br /><br />as for your hypothetical, on the day after the admission of truth many of us will abandon the Sisyphean tasks you have allotted to us. Blacks themselves won't care. Dr Dre is not in existential angst about the Bell Curve. SWPLs will be devastated -- their church, in ruins! I for one will LAUGH. <br /><br />In the long run the Cancer Ward commissars and the Yglesias' are right about one thing: these truths DO threaten the very legitimacy of the system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40352276675806563432009-05-01T14:51:00.000-07:002009-05-01T14:51:00.000-07:00"It seems to me that, after the relief of pub..."It seems to me that, after the relief of publicly saying it, we'd have to go put our shoulders to the grindstones again trying to improve their education anyway, only this time we'd have huge collective bruised egos & backlash to deal with."<br /><br />And another thing. What is this "we" shit? Why is it always "our" job to do the heavy lifting (and paying for it)? NAMs don't seem as interested in improving their education as much as liberal whites do. <br />Like I said, we already have "bruised egos" and "backlash" (makes that backlashes). God forbid anyone has their feelings hurt especially NAMs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com