tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6395251302067694750..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: How to make MOOCs effectiveUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23854565018093374622014-05-12T00:06:36.175-07:002014-05-12T00:06:36.175-07:00International Jew said...
Once you take out the hu...International Jew said...<br />Once you take out the human interaction, it seems MOOCs and correspondence courses and the rest end up as nothing but poor substitutes for reading a book.<br />====<br />I'm almost done with a MOOC on a grad level MOOC on simulating physical systems.<br />It was awesome to have homework challenges and people in forums discussing the material. I'm an intellectually curious person but I wouldn't have been driven enough to just go through the exercises in the official book on my own.ogunsironhttp://www.gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2955465155924102962014-05-12T00:02:41.455-07:002014-05-12T00:02:41.455-07:00Is the presence of people merely auditing a course...Is the presence of people merely auditing a course that much of a problem ?<br /><br />Like most MOOC enthusiasts, I register for more courses that I can actually follow or complete.<br /><br />I've been enjoying MOOCS very much. Some have been pleasant and informative and a few have been real challenges. <br /><br />Some of the moocs seem quite successful. For a programming language like scala, it seems like the coursera course has become the quintessential introduction to that language, in quite short time.<br /><br />ogunsironhttp://www.gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77496267821637111632014-05-11T22:36:41.302-07:002014-05-11T22:36:41.302-07:00Handle: When I was learning a trade at a junior co...Handle: When I was learning a trade at a junior college, we had to pay a $100+ materials fee the first year. The second year, because of more free money from the state, the material fees were dropped. Goof-offs joined the program, cut class, didn't finish the projects, and otherwise wasted the space that able and willing students once filled. We, the last of the paying students, would have gladly paid fees for the second year in order to be free of all the slackers in the shop. By all means, throwing a few hurdles in the way makes for a better education.Discardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23322238768697801862014-05-11T09:23:41.230-07:002014-05-11T09:23:41.230-07:00I like the idea of adding parties in a dorm settin...I like the idea of adding parties in a dorm setting to the online educational experience but I suspect there is enough VC money in this space to cover the costs of that and keep it free as well, and maybe even enough to cover my salary while I’m gone getting the full benefit of my education by getting familiar with the student body in person.<br />For my purposes I like MOOCs the way they are. I have had positive experiences with coursera, edx and others but there are only so many hours in a day for this stuff if you have real life commitments.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58579728269763673482014-05-11T09:22:19.627-07:002014-05-11T09:22:19.627-07:00Once you take out the human interaction, it seems ...Once you take out the human interaction, it seems MOOCs and correspondence courses and the rest end up as nothing but poor substitutes for reading a book. Indeed, if MOOCs are going to catch on now (and, like you, I'm not sure they will) part of the reason will be that reading is in decline.International Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49702597671287315962014-05-11T05:29:14.597-07:002014-05-11T05:29:14.597-07:00MOOCs are a disappointment to people (ie. idealist...MOOCs are a disappointment to people (ie. idealists or idiots) who believe you can take the average person and turn them into upper middle class banker, doctor, lawyer, engineer, professor, etc.<br /><br />MOOCs are already effective. They filter out those without the IQ, ambition, and time. While colleges are financially incentivized to enroll anyone possible and keep them as long as possible.<br /><br />The average person that regularly completes MOOC courses, would be among the top students of a typical University.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87687558493835672352014-05-10T23:01:58.205-07:002014-05-10T23:01:58.205-07:00A better idea is to get rid of the static shot of ...A better idea is to get rid of the static shot of a professor blah blah blahing in front of a chalk board. Instead, they ought to use the ubiquitous and inexpensive video editing capabilities of modern desktop computers to winnow down a lesson to its essential elements. Use students from the media majors dept. to carefully edit the spoken word of the professor with the appropriate graphic that illustrates the point. Better yet, use somebody from the speech dept who has a good voice to Read the professors words. Finally, MAKE THE LESSONS SHORT! The average person has about a seven minute attention span before they start to drift off. There is a reason the Khan Academy became so popular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80398677744407514662014-05-10T22:13:50.629-07:002014-05-10T22:13:50.629-07:00It's already being done at Duke: The Cross Con...It's already being done at Duke: <a href="http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/programs/duke_mba/cross_continent/" rel="nofollow">The Cross Continent MBA at Fuqua</a>.<br /><br />$132,500 plus some other incidentals.Mikehttp://www.whiterockkitchens.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89007830818997491552014-05-10T21:27:17.051-07:002014-05-10T21:27:17.051-07:00It's a freakin great idea Steve. One of your b...It's a freakin great idea Steve. One of your best. <br /><br />Dan in DCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29333833590667125622014-05-10T18:04:40.388-07:002014-05-10T18:04:40.388-07:00I guess as an educator I'd come at this with a...I guess as an educator I'd come at this with a different take:<br /><br />Large lectures are almost worthless educationally speaking.<br /><br />The best intellectual instruction comes from the tutorial/seminar system -- lectures are a poor substitute.<br /><br />In the sciences you learn more in labs than lectures.<br /><br />MOOCs can replace History 101; Introduction to Physics and so on but not much more than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79178207387234838662014-05-10T16:42:37.272-07:002014-05-10T16:42:37.272-07:00I've taken a few of the courses (coursera) and...I've taken a few of the courses (coursera) and the main problem is that the courses are ad hoc and do not have an overalll unity (ie, a curriculum). Of course, at the 'public ivy'i work at, there are many internal talks about how atomized the curriculums there are as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92212660277556420532014-05-10T15:40:41.471-07:002014-05-10T15:40:41.471-07:00My experience with these courses is that they can&...My experience with these courses is that they can't even run a basic email system.<br /><br />I sign up and the next I hear from them is six months later when I recieve a reminder that my 4th assignment is overdue.<br /><br />Obviously the followthru is going to be terrible.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50044426790060713162014-05-10T15:28:59.009-07:002014-05-10T15:28:59.009-07:00MOOCS can work if you force students to come to a ...MOOCS can work if you force students to come to a class room and watch the video instruction together--and be graded on attendance. <br /><br />But if someone's at home, he or she's keep checking other stuff on the internet. <br /><br />School system is effective because it physically makes young ones get out of bed and do things. But if you don't have to go to class, you will just stay in bed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70081077674867522212014-05-10T15:27:09.349-07:002014-05-10T15:27:09.349-07:00But first, let's commit massive amounts of mon...But first, let's commit massive amounts of money and resources into this new 'dream' education system before we admit the obvious flaws should have prepared us for failure or less than admirable results. You know, like the continuing exploitation of the 'testing' culture in primary and secondary education where, any reasonable person knows but because of PC cannot comment, now matter how many more trillions we spend on these 'boondoggles' the results are going to be the same - unless we have after school 'change the answer to correct' meetings.Hubbubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612306739482366203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17039022185309153942014-05-10T15:13:26.344-07:002014-05-10T15:13:26.344-07:00You want to weed out two kinds of kids - the slack...You want to weed out two kinds of kids - the slackers and the fantasizers.<br /><br />In the business world, if you want your contractor to be sure and get the job right and on time, you make him post bond, which he gets back if everything goes right. It works.<br /><br />This is just like 'make it more expensive', except you get a large chunk of your money rebated if your succeed.<br /><br />This will weed out a lot of people at the very beginning, who probably know themselves and understand that by going to school they are taking a long-shot. <br /><br />Perhaps you could add a grace period. Make the first week hell-week and have a really hard test. Give the kids their score and say, "90% of people who got that score and decided to continue with the course failed the final and did not receive their rebate. However, you can quit now and still get nearly all your money back."<br /><br />If they make it past that post, then they're neither slacker nor fantasizer, and then they've got a huge financial incentive to keep it up, study hard, finish and succeed.Handlehttp://www.handleshaus.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29102532504351000402014-05-10T14:56:26.396-07:002014-05-10T14:56:26.396-07:00"They are great for a handful of go-getters, ..."They are great for a handful of go-getters, but an awful lot of distance-learning students lose interest and don't finish."<br /><br />As someone who teaches at a public university with a (fairly typical) 50% graduation rate, I'd have to say that it sounds like you're describing American colleges generally, not just MOOCs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com