tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6433935418486193078..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: How many homicides is a quarter century of gangsta rap responsible for?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger127125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77393223895305093562012-12-25T08:53:38.036-08:002012-12-25T08:53:38.036-08:00"You didn't deny what I said about you.&q..."You didn't deny what I said about you."<br /><br />Why would I? It's all TRUE! BAWWWWWW-HAWWWW-HAWWWWW-HAWWWWWWW!<br /><br />Merry Christmas, Grasshopper.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16388625770492559632012-12-24T19:40:34.500-08:002012-12-24T19:40:34.500-08:00"Truth said...
"You make these assertio..."Truth said...<br /><br />"You make these assertions about people about whom you know nothing."<br /><br />I notice you didn't deny them."<br /><br />Yes, I deny them.<br /><br />You didn't deny what I said about you.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42049097176961411092012-12-24T15:22:03.148-08:002012-12-24T15:22:03.148-08:00"You make these assertions about people about..."You make these assertions about people about whom you know nothing."<br /><br />I notice you didn't deny them.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19619194082922934792012-12-24T11:21:36.641-08:002012-12-24T11:21:36.641-08:00"Truth said...
How is it that you, with no a..."Truth said...<br /><br />How is it that you, with no accomplishments to speak of, no footprints, no reputation, or name, no money, and I would assume, no artistic talent, became the arbiter of good music?"<br /><br />You make these assertions about people about whom you know nothing. Most of us here don't volunteer much information about ourselves. I know I don't. You, however, where your pathetic life on your sleeve. We know lots about you: Easy college degree, absentee father, family who doesn't much like him, thinks he's a lothario - the usual basket of black stereotypes. We get it, "Truth" - you're a real black man.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54664742497388833522012-12-23T17:39:27.576-08:002012-12-23T17:39:27.576-08:00"How is it that noise, made by talentless thu..."How is it that noise, made by talentless thugs, who have not even a rudimentary knowledge of music theory and who can neither sing nor play musical instruments, came to be called "music"?"<br /><br />How is it that you, with no accomplishments to speak of, no footprints, no reputation, or name, no money, and I would assume, no artistic talent, became the arbiter of good music?<br /><br />This is the question you should be asking.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86188504941963369272012-12-23T12:53:43.382-08:002012-12-23T12:53:43.382-08:00"The salient difference between Johnny Cash a..."The salient difference between Johnny Cash and rap is that Cash's work is music, whereas rap is just unmusical sh*t."<br /><br />Whatever else Cash did that particular Cash song is vile. It comes from exactly the same place that rap does.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88107350533180405692012-12-23T12:14:29.563-08:002012-12-23T12:14:29.563-08:00"Truth said...
""The salient diffe..."Truth said...<br /><br />""The salient difference between Johnny Cash and rap is that Cash's work is music, whereas rap is just unmusical sh*t."<br /><br />"Thank you for your usual erudite and highly scientific analysis."<br /><br />Not scientific. It's an aesthetic judgement. But as you know nothing about science, and have no judgement, you wouldn't know that.<br /><br />How is it that noise, made by talentless thugs, who have not even a rudimentary knowledge of music theory and who can neither sing nor play musical instruments, came to be called "music"?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66762048552664649772012-12-23T09:34:10.836-08:002012-12-23T09:34:10.836-08:00""Actually, it was worse--because it was...<i>""Actually, it was worse--because it was highly predictable whereas the Newtown mass murders were not."<br /><br />That ain't bringin' those kids back to life."</i><br /><br />Who said it was? And stop moving the goal posts.<br /><br />As horrific as it is to lose someone to murder (and yes, I know this from personal experience), how preventable that murder was--or should have been--makes a difference to those who grieve (after the first shock has worn off).<br /><br />At this point, the only way* to have prevented the Newtown massacre would have been to preemptively lock up all the young guys who act weird, can't socialize and spend too much time on video games. We don't have the resources for that. Clemmons's mass murders could easily have been prevented simply by keeping a convicted criminal locked up. <br /><br />Anyway, all that is irrelevant. Your people commit far more murders proportionate to their share of the population and make lousier music. Taking a white musician's lyrics out of context and mentioning a white murderer's victims don't change that. End of story.<br /><br />*No, not even more stringent gun control would have worked. Lanza was weird but determined--and smart technologically. If it hadn't been guns, it would have been something else, probably a bomb.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25717829184739123172012-12-23T07:50:31.672-08:002012-12-23T07:50:31.672-08:00You mention a rise in crime such as crack violence...<i>You mention a rise in crime such as crack violence co-occurring. How do we know that gangsta rap isn't an effect of that instead of a cause? If it served as a pressure valve to vent some steam, it could actually reduce crime. That's the problem with correlations.</i><br /><br />One reason to think the venting explanation doesn't hold much steam is that crack has declined but rap has continued to get more narcissistic and perhaps even more violent. That's the problem with correlations.tommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75083202919517878872012-12-23T07:47:37.362-08:002012-12-23T07:47:37.362-08:00What I find interesting is the blatant progressive...What I find interesting is the blatant progressive schizophrenia when it comes to the media.<br /><br />The progs constantly claim the media has no impact on violent behavior among blacks or sexual behavior among the young or the general manners of the public, but the feminists aren't always so certain the media is harmless when it comes to pornography, the Jews are damn certain the slightest antisemitic insinuation could lead to the next Holocaust, and all progs seems to agree that a lack of attention to the details of political correctness or multiculturalism could be hazardous.<br /><br />The fact that the media cannot impact behavior in ways conservatives would decry also doesn't stop liberals from congratulating themselves on spreading the progressive gospel through venues like, say, Will & Grace. <br /><br />Progressives know that thinking and behavior are influenced by the media except in those cases where thinking and behavior cannot be influenced by the media. It's all very rational.tommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64177654437503693082012-12-23T01:25:15.376-08:002012-12-23T01:25:15.376-08:00"Actually, it was worse--because it was highl..."Actually, it was worse--because it was highly predictable whereas the Newtown mass murders were not."<br /><br />That ain't bringin' those kids back to life.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89280755402069499042012-12-22T18:15:00.322-08:002012-12-22T18:15:00.322-08:00""You mean so he could become a cop kill...<i>""You mean so he could become a cop killer like Maurice Clemmons?"<br /><br />So much worse than killing 5-year olds."</i><br /><br />Actually, it was worse--because it was highly predictable whereas the Newtown mass murders were not.<br /><br />Past behavior is the best predictor of future actions.<br /><br />Most people who are really weird, live in their moms' basements and play video games don't go on to become mass murderers. Apparently Lanza had no criminal background, no history of violence that brought him to the attention of law enforcement.<br /><br />But Clemmons already had an extensive documented history of violent crime.<br /><br />Of the two, Clemmons is the one whose murderous rampage could have been predicted with a far greater degree of certainty. I'd say mass murders that could have been prevented simply by doing nothing (i.e. having Clemmons remain in prison) are worse than those sudden murderous outbursts that couldn't be predicted. Indeed, some people said they didn't think Lanza capable of violence. I think few entertained that delusion about Clemmons.<br /><br />Nice try, though.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78252420115041695412012-12-22T16:25:36.018-08:002012-12-22T16:25:36.018-08:00What about the movie Sweetsweetback's Badass B...What about the movie Sweetsweetback's Badass Bong? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61311945931634804482012-12-22T16:25:11.928-08:002012-12-22T16:25:11.928-08:00What about Reggae?
Well, at least he didn't ...What about Reggae? <br /><br />Well, at least he didn't shoot the deputy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74434641107259972232012-12-22T16:10:27.920-08:002012-12-22T16:10:27.920-08:00"Rap is based on square dancing calls."
..."Rap is based on square dancing calls."<br /><br />Yeah, we listened to them all of the time in Brooklyn in the 70's.<br /><br />"three Jewish kids invented Gangter Rap in Brooklyn in the late 80s."<br /><br />I just threw up on my keyboard, Svigor, makes it hard to type.<br /><br />"You mean so he could become a cop killer like Maurice Clemmons?"<br /><br />So much worse than killing 5-year olds.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64781319098540837222012-12-22T13:09:17.226-08:002012-12-22T13:09:17.226-08:00"Oh, so he felt bad after murdering a man for...<i>"Oh, so he felt bad after murdering a man for no reason at all? Well that's sweet. Maybe the governor should have pardoned him."</i><br /><br />You mean so he could become a cop killer like Maurice Clemmons?<br /><br />Nah, that's a black thing.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35087777395352384642012-12-22T11:42:45.799-08:002012-12-22T11:42:45.799-08:00I should say that even in the days of "one lo...I should say that even in the days of "one love" reggae its adherents and practitioners were notably more violent than, say, the Brits. <br /><br />The death rate of reggae musicians is comparable to rappers.<br /><br />http://www.blackechoes.net/memoriam.htm Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5750669031429280092012-12-22T11:30:59.805-08:002012-12-22T11:30:59.805-08:00"some producers gave him the rap lyric and as...<i>"some producers gave him the rap lyric and asked him to speak it over a beat, thereby inventing the genre"</i><br /><br />I thought the roots of rap were in Jamaican reggae. In the late 60s studios released "version" B sides which were simply the backing tracks sans vocals. It wasn't long before DJs/MCs were 'toasting' (improvising lyrics) over the music at dances and parties, and by 1970 you could buy whole LPs of toasting, like the "Version Galore" series. The genre probably reached a peak in the late 70s, but was still strong in the early 80s when rap began. Lyrics were (black) "conscious" or (Rastafarian) religious but not violent. It all went downhill when rap started and by the late 80s was mostly rap-style boasting.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdTCtYuDpgcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50342332986090412372012-12-22T08:37:41.386-08:002012-12-22T08:37:41.386-08:00Its funny how we are supposed to be so protective ...Its funny how we are supposed to be so protective of minorities, keeping them from injuring themselves through things like gangsta rap, like they are children- its clear the dems have an even lower opinion of minorities than anything the republicans can conjure up.<br /><br />Where is the protection against white pathologies like liberalism which are vastly more destructive to whites?Sam R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17014335973632656312012-12-22T08:30:24.818-08:002012-12-22T08:30:24.818-08:00You mention a rise in crime such as crack violence...You mention a rise in crime such as crack violence co-occurring. How do we know that gangsta rap isn't an effect of that instead of a cause? If it served as a pressure valve to vent some steam, it could actually reduce crime. That's the problem with correlations.HipHipHooraynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42063367862929254032012-12-22T07:29:45.334-08:002012-12-22T07:29:45.334-08:00Oh, so he felt bad after murdering a man for no re...<i>Oh, so he felt bad after murdering a man for no reason at all? Well that's sweet. Maybe the governor should have pardoned him.</i><br /><br />Something tells me the gangsta rappers sound a lot more like Johnny Cash at their parole hearings than they do gangsta rappers.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54239712985528878382012-12-22T07:27:55.668-08:002012-12-22T07:27:55.668-08:00I have to agree with Alpha Dog - we're simply ...I have to agree with Alpha Dog - we're simply seeing a flowering of black culture here. Of course, it has its enablers; three Jewish kids invented Gangter Rap in Brooklyn in the late 80s. And Jewish producers gave Gangsta Rap its platform. But then, the rescinding of White Supremacy could be called a contributing factor, too. It's pretty well established that some flavor of White Supremacy is the undisputed world champ of getting decent outcomes out of blacks.<br /><br /><i>The majority of the gangsta rap audience was always suburban white kids.</i><br /><br />Like welfare, I think per capita rates are more germane, and per capita consumption of GR has always been a black thing. Also, the "paying customers" vs. "actual audience" thing is pretty relevant here.<br /><br /><i>It's likely a feedback loop, Alpha Dog.</i><br /><br />True. I was thinking the same thing. But the feedback loop is just another manifestation of the flowering of black culture.<br /><br /><i>A Narcocorrido (Spanish pronunciation: [narkoko'riðo], Drug Ballad) is a type of Mexican music and song tradition which evolved out of the norteño folk corrido tradition. ... The first corridos that focus on drug smugglers—the narco comes from "narcotics"—have been dated by Juan Ramírez-Pimienta to the 1930s. ... Music critics have also compared narcocorrido music to gangster rap.[1] [2]<br /><br />Narcocorrido lyrics refer to particular events and include real dates and places.[3] The lyrics tend to speak approvingly of illegal criminal activities such as murder, torture, racketeering, extortion, drug smuggling, illegal immigration, and sometimes political protest due to government corruption.</i><br /><br />They featured this in a season (3?) of <i>Breaking Bad</i>, if I don't miss my guess.<br /><br /><i>Alpha,<br /><br />I read that low level gang bangers are very poorly payed. Glamour rather than economic reasons may drive them to make foolish choices. The glamour of gangsta rap makes them feel like winners when they are actually loosers.<br /><br />(a bit like the prestige of science and being a STEM Ph.D. student but that's another story).</i><br /><br />Yes and no. Banging = street cred. Cred = pussy and status (intimidation). Also, it may pay like McDonald's, but there's no actual work involved. You just sit/stand there and hand out drugs and take cash, and maybe get into a fight once in a while.<br /><br /><i>Back in NWA's heyday, I knew people who couldn't appreciate hip-hop that wasn't about murder and ho's. White people from Colorado. </i><br /><br />That's funny, because I listented to NWA when they came out, then my interest in rap peaked with the more poetic/experimental stuff like Tribe Called Quest, Black Sheep, etc., and then I lost interest in rap, and when I got out of school and heard it again years later, it all sounded like the worst sort of commercial tripe. And every time I hear it I think, "you know, back in the day it wasn't <i>all</i> shit."Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19632023197530705202012-12-22T07:02:51.391-08:002012-12-22T07:02:51.391-08:00they should call it "assault rap" :)they should call it "assault rap" :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15225131709245940082012-12-22T06:14:35.426-08:002012-12-22T06:14:35.426-08:00Achilles' reply to Odysseus in Book IX of the ...Achilles' reply to Odysseus in Book IX of the Iliad is the greatest thing anybody ever spoke &/or wrote, in any language, before the Sixteenth Century A.D.<br /><br />"We are all held in a single honour" &c.<br /><br />Are there ways in which the Iliad can be compared to "gangsta rap?"<br /><br />Well, yeah, sure. Stupid, malign, trivializing ways.vinteuilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75338659896357321222012-12-22T02:52:24.214-08:002012-12-22T02:52:24.214-08:00Also, rap has had one other redeeming quality for ...Also, rap has had one other redeeming quality for me personally. I did a lot of shadowboxing to Bone-Thugs and the fast, erratic rhythms made me a better (point) fighter. Not that this has broader implications. Well, I guess it's an example of doing something intensely rather than not getting out of bed because I didn't see the point, which I have also done, though I associate that period with... Soundgarden comes to mind? Maybe Alanis Morissette or Pearl Jam? sockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02729419432788184210noreply@blogger.com