tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6801033043581358966..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Diversity before Diversity: Duke KahanamokuUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17246842475769514672012-07-12T19:50:03.062-07:002012-07-12T19:50:03.062-07:00Pretty blond swimmer Natalie Couglin mother is fli...Pretty blond swimmer Natalie Couglin mother is flipino. Why the swimming world not rave about this as much as Cullen Jones being full black I don't know. It seems that there is a lot of half-asian half-whtie swimmers that don't get notice. The Kirk sisters in 2004 were half-Chinese and one woman in 1996 mother came from Vietnam and father was white.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57403814720531602102012-07-10T18:11:06.864-07:002012-07-10T18:11:06.864-07:00my point is all about the discrimination of Anglo-...<i>my point is all about the discrimination of Anglo-Americans against southern European immigrants in the first half of the 20th Century.</i><br /><br />And suppose we accept your "point". Then what? Are you suggesting that you think there's something wrong with discrimination?<br /><br /><i>Singling out Anglos is itself a form of discrimination.</i><br /><br />Indeed.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43204199614269370722012-07-10T16:19:14.852-07:002012-07-10T16:19:14.852-07:00I love how some people are upset that Steve dares ...I love how some people are upset that Steve dares suggests society didn't give blacks meritocratic treatment.<br /><br />The leftist narrative is <i>wrong</i>, so the complete opposite must be right? ...Right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14065735904741005122012-07-09T14:47:58.120-07:002012-07-09T14:47:58.120-07:00Hey putting at windmills! I'm going to give y...Hey putting at windmills! I'm going to give you credit for a great pun here (although my gut tells me it's a coincidence).Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50798726327071373422012-07-08T21:42:40.240-07:002012-07-08T21:42:40.240-07:00Yeah, well don't worry, Truth. We're not ...Yeah, well don't worry, Truth. We're not exclusive. For a quite reasonable price, you too can be putting at windmills while you set up your next major business deal.<br /><br />We'll even throw in a free poker table to get you two-thirds of the way there. Think of it as your way to finally hit the big time without paying those Augusta or Cypress Point membership fees.Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36367675553364514112012-07-08T20:43:32.005-07:002012-07-08T20:43:32.005-07:00"I can see why you're so confident in you..."I can see why you're so confident in your insight.<br /><br />I am a co-owner of four golf courses, including three public courses and one country club. I was part of the original investment group which developed the courses."<br /><br />Oh. I'm sorry Sport, I didn't explain myself properly; I was referring to the type of golf courses that don't feature 7'ft plaster gorillas.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73081895182644581422012-07-08T18:17:14.995-07:002012-07-08T18:17:14.995-07:00Much of the point of country clubs is to provide a...<i>Much of the point of country clubs is to provide a peer group for the next generation potentially to marry within, so they tend to be among the most restrictive institutions by ethnicity and class.</i><br /><br />Steve,<br /><br />What evidence have you seen that this is the motivation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68591841822043596942012-07-08T17:09:33.278-07:002012-07-08T17:09:33.278-07:00Steve,
That may be the point of the more venerabl...Steve,<br /><br />That may be the point of the more venerable and established country clubs -- although I doubt it -- but it's just business today for the owners of most clubs and just a status symbol and a means of recreation for its members.Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18771010293664343852012-07-08T16:25:06.034-07:002012-07-08T16:25:06.034-07:00Much of the point of country clubs is to provide a...Much of the point of country clubs is to provide a peer group for the next generation potentially to marry within, so they tend to be among the most restrictive institutions by ethnicity and class.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63274004530873216092012-07-08T15:11:32.943-07:002012-07-08T15:11:32.943-07:00Truth,
"Having played golf and poker...and h...Truth,<br /><br /><i>"Having played golf and poker...and having attended business meetings."</i><br /><br />Wow. That's a very impressive resume. You are now in the very select group of perhaps one-third of all white men in America who have also attended a business meeting, played some golf, and sat through at least a dozen orbits of Texas Hold 'em. I can see why you're so confident in your insight.<br /><br />I am a co-owner of four golf courses, including three public courses and one country club. I was part of the original investment group which developed the courses. The managing partner -- a very successful commercial developer -- didn't even know how to play golf when he began the project twenty years ago. Nor did anyone else in his office. He learned to play as he was building the first course. The inability to play golf not only didn't prevent him from becoming a successful commercial developer, it didn't even prevent him from becoming a successful developer of golf courses. He still doesn't play well, even though he has been described in the press as a "golf course magnate". He cheats on the course, too.<br /><br />I'm also impressed by your sources. When a hotel chain (which owns golf courses) and the business golf concierge tell you that playing golf is important to closing business deals, that's the kind of information you can take to the bank. Those objective sources know the difference between a correlation and a cause. I, too, would encourage prospective members of our country club to think of the $40,000 non-equity membership and high monthly fees as an investment in those future business deals they would otherwise miss out on.<br /><br />Much of your response is beside the point. We were not talking about playing golf today, but about playing golf in a previous era when country clubs preferred restricting membership to their own ethnicity. This obviously kept Jews from succeeding. After all, how could they succeed in business when the WASP country clubs wouldn't allow them in?Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51849802295454621152012-07-08T10:08:10.488-07:002012-07-08T10:08:10.488-07:00my point is all about the discrimination of Anglo-...<i>my point is all about the discrimination of Anglo-Americans against southern European immigrants in the first half of the 20th Century.</i><br /><br />It makes little sense to single out Anglo-Americans when everyone else discriminates. Even less sense, when any Anglo-American "discrimination" was merely self defense against other group's tribalism and corruption and resistance to assimilation.<br /><br />Italians, in fact, are generally understood to be more racist than Anglo-Americans. And to this day, Italian law discriminates against White Americans.<br /><br />Singling out Anglos is itself a form of discrimination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63901064367992595332012-07-08T09:43:21.395-07:002012-07-08T09:43:21.395-07:00So you agree with me, since you bring up Israel di...<i>So you agree with me, since you bring up Israel discriminating against non-Jews trying to give moral validity to this kind of dicrimination as a rebuttal to my points about white Amrica discriminating against southern Europeans in the first half of the 20th Century? Good.</i><br /><br />If you were really concerned about discrimination, you would spend more time highlighting ongoing discrimination, particularly that practiced by or furthered with the help of the United States. Israel would be a good place to start.<br /><br />Why is it so important to you that a story alleges that Americans "discriminated against" "southern Europeans"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45220784047862571172012-07-08T09:40:11.631-07:002012-07-08T09:40:11.631-07:00"The residents of "shtetls"...were ...<i>"The residents of "shtetls"...were tax collectors, tax farmers, middlemen, dramkeepers, liquor distributors, and the bankers of their time"<br /><br />Many others were teachers, tailors, porters, rag merchants, and itinerant peddlers, often in second-hand goods. In the 19th century, many Jewish residents of shtetls in the Russian Pale of Settlement were destitute.</i><br /><br />Squid ink. Nothing you write here addresses the fact that Jews exploited Christians in Eastern Europe and that Judaism discriminates against Christians.<br /><br />And my gosh if Jewish teachers, tailors, and apparel merchants were poor, imagine how bad off the Christian masses, the peasants and indentured servants, were.<br /><br />Next we can talk about how Jews enslaved Christians and used them in a transcontinental slave trade. See the Radhanites, as well as an explanation of the similarity between the words "Slav" and "slave."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69181246298686855822012-07-08T01:51:51.525-07:002012-07-08T01:51:51.525-07:00Anonymous 6:12 AM
"Unmitigated even by an ...Anonymous 6:12 AM<br /><br /> "Unmitigated even by an "everything else being equal" qualifier, Israeli society gives more exalted status to those of Jewish descent and especially those of Ashkenazi descent. It is much easier for a Jewish immigrant to Israel to gain citizenship that it is for a Christian or Muslim and the upper circles of power are more or less closed to Christians and Muslims. Not only that but the upper echelons of social life are very, very hard to get into for an Israeli of Christian or Muslim descent."<br /><br /> What the hell has my point got to do with Jews in any way, shape or form? I am arguing whether Jews in Israel practice discrimination against non-Jews or not; my point is all about the discrimination of Anglo-Americans against southern European immigrants in the first half of the 20th Century. So you agree with me, since you bring up Israel discriminating against non-Jews trying to give moral validity to this kind of dicrimination as a rebuttal to my points about white Amrica discriminating against southern Europeans in the first half of the 20th Century? Good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74674348178674815762012-07-08T01:39:46.081-07:002012-07-08T01:39:46.081-07:00"What is the source of your information on th..."What is the source of your information on this?"<br /><br />Having played golf and poker...and having attended business meetings.<br /><br />"There are more business deals and partnerships that happen on the golf course than anywhere else in the world..."<br /><br />http://voices.yahoo.com/conducting-business-golf-course-2414765.html?cat=3<br /><br />"Source: A major international hotel chain conducted an attitudinal study of global executives and their views on the sport of golf. 401 CEO’s of top-level global companies were interviewed. Here are the results:<br /><br />• 93% said, “Playing golf with a business associate is a good way to establish a closer relationship”.<br /><br />• 80% agreed, “Playing golf is a good way to make new business contacts”.<br /><br />• Over 1/3 said, “Some of my biggest business deals were made on the golf course”.<br /><br />• Of the 60 percent of women who play golf with business clients, more than a third said that, “Playing golf resulted in additional business for them”"<br /><br />http://www.thebusinessgolfconcierge.com/<br /><br />"Starwood Hotels Study Finds 43% of Execs Say Some of Their Biggest<br />Deals Have Been Done on the Golf Course;"<br /><br />http://hotel-online.com/News/PR2002_2nd/Jun02_HOTGolf.htmlTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48894759549530191512012-07-07T22:07:59.616-07:002012-07-07T22:07:59.616-07:00Flutter kick is for Aussie Craw or Freestyle since...<i>Flutter kick is for Aussie Craw or Freestyle since its easier for a long axle stroke like Freestyle or Backstroke than sidestroke kick would be.</i><br /><br />"Crawl", not "craw", and "freestyle" isn't a stroke. A "freestyle" race allows you to use any stroke, which would be the crawl for most swimmers.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39409404454925907352012-07-07T21:06:53.302-07:002012-07-07T21:06:53.302-07:00I'm not a golfer, but I smoke cigars, and the ...I'm not a golfer, but I smoke cigars, and the golf set is predominant at the cigar lounges I hang out in. I think being kept out of the tonier clubs is if anything a business advantage, even though sometimes business is done there. Those deals are often the ones that go bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61343701669833087022012-07-07T20:26:42.742-07:002012-07-07T20:26:42.742-07:00"The residents of "shtetls"...were ..."The residents of "shtetls"...were tax collectors, tax farmers, middlemen, dramkeepers, liquor distributors, and the bankers of their time"<br /><br />Many others were teachers, tailors, porters, rag merchants, and itinerant peddlers, often in second-hand goods. In the 19th century, many Jewish residents of shtetls in the Russian Pale of Settlement were destitute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37161293334560552782012-07-07T20:20:28.681-07:002012-07-07T20:20:28.681-07:00"Are Gentiles welcome at Jewish camps, at Jew..."Are Gentiles welcome at Jewish camps, at Jewish day schools, on JDate?"<br /><br />JDate is owned by Spark Networks, the same company that owns Match.com. I've read that non-Jews can join and post profiles. The response would be hostile from committed religious types, but I'm not sure how less observant Jews on the site would respond. Reform synagogue-sponsored pre-schools and some Reform-sponsored day schools (of which there aren't many, since most Reform Jewish kids attend public schools or non-denominational private schools) allow Gentiles. I have no experience with the stricter denominations in this regard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84752204721992551562012-07-07T19:35:06.669-07:002012-07-07T19:35:06.669-07:00Truth,
"Syon, I'm not sure what you do f...Truth,<br /><br /><i>"Syon, I'm not sure what you do for a living, but let me assure you; in many fields, business deals are disproportionately consummated over rounds of golf and hands of poker."</i><br /><br />That's complete horseshit.<br /><br />Do they "disproportionately" light up big fat stogies, too? (What does disproportionate even mean in this context?) <br /><br />You sound like some college student who's watched too many Oliver Stone movies about Wall Street.<br /><br />People golf because they like to golf. Wealthy people join country clubs because they like the social cachet and the exclusivity, and they often like to golf or want to learn. <br /><br />Your implication that important business is routinely done on golf courses and in poker rooms, and that therefore the exclusivity represents a loss of opportunity for those who can't join, is ludicrous.Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18115276285136864852012-07-07T19:24:15.213-07:002012-07-07T19:24:15.213-07:00Anonymous at 7/7/12 4:40 PM writes,
"But we ...Anonymous at 7/7/12 4:40 PM writes,<br /><br /><i>"But we weren't talking about slavery. We are talking about the conditions of blacks since.</i><br /><br />Sez who? <br /><br />My original comment was directed toward Steve's post, where he writes, <i>"One of the points I'm trying to make with this Diversity Before Diversity series is that <b>when thinking about the past</b>, we shouldn't project how African-Americans were treated to other minorities. It's not accurate, and it's not fair to blacks."</i> [My emphasis in bold.]<br /><br />Do you see anything there about Steve limiting himself to the Jim Crow era, instead of the American past in general, which would of course include slavery?<br /><br /><i>"Are you saying the general treatment and condition of blacks in the United States since slavery has been barbaric?"</i><br /><br />It depends on the standard we use, but the treatment of blacks in the Jim Crow Era is not a bright spot in American history and it was qualitatively worse than anything Americans did to other non-WASPs at the time.<br /><br />But, hey, compared to slavery before the Civil War, or being a slave in Brazil or Central America, or being a slave in the Muslims world, I'm sure it was several steps up from barbarity.<br /><br />In any case, my description included slavery.Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26392166147078383542012-07-07T18:49:32.875-07:002012-07-07T18:49:32.875-07:00Truth:"Syon, I'm not sure what you do for...Truth:"Syon, I'm not sure what you do for a living, but let me assure you; in many fields, business deals are disproportionately consummated over rounds of golf and hands of poker."<br /><br />I'm not sure why this is directed at me.Did I suggest that business deals are not conducted at country clubs?<br /><br />SyonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34129840075197182252012-07-07T18:45:32.396-07:002012-07-07T18:45:32.396-07:00Anonymous: Cab Calloway was the #1 leading musical...<b>Anonymous:</b> <i>Cab Calloway was the #1 leading musical act in the '30s but he still couldn't sleep in Southern hotels. His band had its own train with sleeping cars. </i> <br /><br /><b>DaveinHackensack:</b> <i>Stars such as Ella Fitzgerald were made to take the freight elevators.</i> <br /><br /><b>Kylie:</b> <i>In the past, African-Americans were treated quite differently from other minorities. We need to be clear about that, just as we need to be clear about the reasons why.</i> <br /><br /><br /><b>Reporter's Notebook: Seeing How The Other Half Lives</b> <br />October 7, 2008 3:24 PM<br />By Dean Reynolds<br /><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502443_162-4507703-502443.html" rel="nofollow"><b>cbsnews.com</b></a><br /><br /><i>After most of the previous 12 months covering Barack Obama's campaign for the presidency, it was interesting, instructive and, well, relaxing to follow John McCain for the last few days. The differences between the two are striking...<br /><br />Behind the scenes, where the public is not allowed, there are other differences.<br /><br />Obama's campaign schedule is fuller, more hectic and seemingly improvisational. The Obama aides who deal with the national reporters on the campaign plane are often overwhelmed, overworked and un-informed about where, when, why or how the candidate is moving about. Baggage calls are preposterously early with the explanation that it's all for security reasons. <br /><br />If so, I would love to have someone from Obama's campaign explain why the entire press corps, the Secret Service, and the local police idled for two hours in a Miami hotel parking lot recently because there was nothing to do and nowhere to go. It was not an isolated case.<br /><br />The national headquarters in Chicago airily dismisses complaints from journalists wondering why a schedule cannot be printed up or at least e-mailed in time to make coverage plans. Nor is there much sympathy for those of us who report for a newscast that airs in the early evening hours. Our shows place a premium on live reporting from the scene of campaign events. But this campaign can often be found in the air and flying around at the time the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric" is broadcast. I suspect there is a feeling within the Obama campaign that the broadcast networks are less influential in the age of the internet and thus needn't be accomodated as in the days of yore. Even if it's true, they are only hurting themselves by dissing audiences that run in the tens of millions every night.<br /><br />The McCain folks are more helpful and generally friendly. The schedules are printed on actual books you can hold in your hand, read, and then plan accordingly. The press aides are more knowledgeable and useful to us in the news media. The events are designed with a better eye, and for the simple needs of the press corps. When he is available, John McCain is friendly and loquacious. Obama holds news conferences, but seldom banters with the reporters who've been following him for thousands of miles around the country. Go figure.<br /><br />The McCain campaign plane is better than Obama's, which is cramped, uncomfortable and <b>smells terrible most of the time</b>. Somehow the McCain folks manage to keep their charter clean, even where the press is seated...</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90508795039980600182012-07-07T18:40:20.778-07:002012-07-07T18:40:20.778-07:00@Truth
in many fields, business deals are disprop...@Truth<br /><br /><i>in many fields, business deals are disproportionately consummated over rounds of golf and hands of poker.</i><br /><br />What is the source of your information on this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3204061028399916242012-07-07T18:28:40.273-07:002012-07-07T18:28:40.273-07:00Syon, I'm not sure what you do for a living, b...Syon, I'm not sure what you do for a living, but let me assure you; in many fields, business deals are disproportionately consummated over rounds of golf and hands of poker.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.com