tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7188272100120031535..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The (hopefully) final word on Goldberg, Beck, and PivenUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59863516564167476332011-01-26T09:27:05.795-08:002011-01-26T09:27:05.795-08:00TH:
One group of elites vs another group of elite...TH:<br /><br />One group of elites vs another group of elites. Jews are overrepresented in the set of elites, for reasons of IQ, connections, and geography, so:<br /><br />a. Elite opinion often involves a lot of stuff that concerns Jews more than gentiles, like Israel and its policies and future, or accusations of antisemitism. <br /><br />b. Elites arguing will often be two Jews arguing, just because of the composition of elites. This is especially true when the issue is one of those that concern Jews more than anyone else, like Israel or antisemitism. How passionate are you honestly likely to be about antisemitism, if you're an Irish Catholic? You probably don't much like it, but it's just not your main concern in life. <br /><br />c. More broadly, for each ethnic group, the concerns of that group that are discussed among the elite will inevitably be the concerns of the subset of that group that makes it into the elite, however defined. Affirmative action in school admissions is a good illustration of this--it's a very important issue to elites, but not really to most normal people, who probably would be more interested in seeing their local public schools run better.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12072775364189485422011-01-24T23:41:23.710-08:002011-01-24T23:41:23.710-08:00"here's a good little essay about one ele..."here's a good little essay about one element of the jewish political psychodrama:"<br /><br />Finkelstein is reading way too much into this. The reason why former leftists attack Chomsky so harshly isn't so they can signal how much they have outgrown his writing or to get back at him for "not selling out". Instead, they attack him because Chomsky's writings are so widespread among politically interested college students. One could say reading Chomsky in college is a rite of passage. College students take him far more seriously than say, Cornell West. Clinton loyalists also loathe Chomsky and many of them were neither Trotskyites nor neoconservatives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4612967021443232822011-01-24T22:57:14.010-08:002011-01-24T22:57:14.010-08:00And that raises the question: What is the penalty ...<i>And that raises the question: What is the penalty for falsely accusing somebody of anti-Semitism these days?<br /><br />Not much, I suspect.</i><br /><br />Bingo. The Duke Lacrosse Hoax really drove this home for me; the penalty for false accusations should be the same as the penalty that the accused would receive if found guilty.<br /><br />An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, basically. Otherwise, you're always going to have people falsely accusing others and getting away with it.<br /><br />In this case, I think that means Goldberg's new name should be Jeffrey "likes to trivialize the Holocaust" Goldberg, or something similar. Just as Beck would be introduced as Glenn "name the Jew" Beck if Goldberg's charges stuck (like David "former KKK leader" Duke, George "Macaca" Allen, Trent "Strom Shoulda Won" Lott, etc.).Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28477186185269169412011-01-24T21:27:37.620-08:002011-01-24T21:27:37.620-08:00Brilliant Vdare piece, Steve.Brilliant Vdare piece, Steve.Ray Sawhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02434181069400646328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16103199743266583722011-01-24T19:33:07.684-08:002011-01-24T19:33:07.684-08:00"Do you mean by merely guarding Palestinians ...<i>"Do you mean by merely guarding Palestinians caught by the IDF, one should be absolved from their crimes?"</i><br /><br />No, that's not what I mean. Care to try again?Fred.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49635465605519026692011-01-24T19:14:12.410-08:002011-01-24T19:14:12.410-08:00Chicago said...
Insofar as the Jewish angle is co...<i>Chicago said...<br /><br />Insofar as the Jewish angle is concerned most of the ones on this list are quite secular, assimilated and non-religious; most barely qualify.</i><br /><br />Yes, but religion is beside the point.Christopher Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16229550483077903252011-01-24T19:03:56.105-08:002011-01-24T19:03:56.105-08:00Fred sez:"He didn't "fight" wit...Fred sez:"He didn't "fight" with the IDF, he guarded Palestinian prisoners."<br /><br />Do you mean by merely guarding Palestinians caught by the IDF, one should be absolved from their <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/jan/09/no-one-wants-to-know-israeli-soldiers-occupation/" rel="nofollow">crimes?</a>Bantamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82631982802020906512011-01-24T16:32:19.985-08:002011-01-24T16:32:19.985-08:00Maybe a little off-topic, but if you listen to Bec...Maybe a little off-topic, but if you listen to Beck's morning radio show [typically 9AM to 12N in most markets], then you will quickly come to realize that he & his staff have far & away the highest IQs of anyone in the news or entertainment business in America today.<br /><br />These guys are extremely smart & extremely talented [they're about the only people who can make me laugh anymore], and they make the poseurs at the Leno or Letterman shows look like rank amateurs by comparison.<br /><br />PS: Glenn Beck "gets it", and we should be damned grateful that we have someone as talented & as energetic as he to lay it all out for us to see - the enormity of the situation we are facing as regards the near-overwhelming power of the forces which have aligned in a unified attempt to destroy this nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37950146095711575002011-01-24T15:21:53.478-08:002011-01-24T15:21:53.478-08:00Goldberg knows Beck is not an anti-Semite. But it ...<i>Goldberg knows Beck is not an anti-Semite. But it would be good for Goldberg's politics if he was. Accusing a fair person of Anti-semitism, thus bringing the full historical weight of the charge down upon one, can easily cause that person to start resenting privileged Jews and the games they play. I'm sure Goldberg realizes that.</i><br /><br />I wish I could point things like this out more often without tripping Steve's A-S meter. I end up sounding a lot harsher, but making the same point.<br /><br />YES, gentile-baiting is a game many Jews seem to love playing. If you don't hate them, but they hate you, they tend to work hard to elicit fouls.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51863883936337983422011-01-24T15:21:17.284-08:002011-01-24T15:21:17.284-08:00"Wow! So here is a Jewish guy who fought with...<i>"Wow! So here is a Jewish guy who fought with the IDF and he still sees white Christians like Beck as being a greater threat to the Jews than Muslims."</i><br /><br />He didn't "fight" with the IDF, he guarded Palestinian prisoners.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63530352180486469152011-01-24T15:11:03.620-08:002011-01-24T15:11:03.620-08:00Karras's show was called Webster. I think Dick...Karras's show was called Webster. I think Dick Butkis might have had a recurring role on it too.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66946299718748918792011-01-24T14:53:06.925-08:002011-01-24T14:53:06.925-08:00My modest suggestion to those Jews who fear the bu...<i>My modest suggestion to those Jews who fear the building of mosques in American cities is that they look elsewhere for threats that seem to be gathering against them</i><br /><br />Wow! So here is a Jewish guy who fought with the IDF and he still sees white Christians like Beck as being a greater threat to the Jews than Muslims.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32797882687344041162011-01-24T14:51:09.711-08:002011-01-24T14:51:09.711-08:00Yup, Alex Karras, NFL lineman turned TV actor on o...Yup, Alex Karras, NFL lineman turned TV actor on one of those sitcoms with white people adopting tiny black people (the other one, not Gary Coleman), is it.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61064267898916933792011-01-24T14:39:11.246-08:002011-01-24T14:39:11.246-08:00"Having said that, why is Beck such a fruit l..."Having said that, why is Beck such a fruit loop?"<br /><br />Are you talking about the radio personality silliness? He was a radio personality.<br /><br />Did you not know that orrrrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24876754008064873282011-01-24T14:32:05.873-08:002011-01-24T14:32:05.873-08:00here's a good little essay about one element o...here's a good little essay about one element of the jewish political psychodrama:<br /><br /><br />"Yet, an apostate is usually astute enough to understand that, in order to catch the public eye and reap the attendant benefits, merely registering this or that doubt about one's prior convictions, or nuanced disagreements with former comrades (which, after all, is how a reasoned change of heart would normally evolve), won't suffice. For, incremental change, or fundamental change by accretion, doesn't get the buzz going: there must be a dramatic rupture with one's past. Conversion and zealotry, just like revelation and apostasy, are flip sides of the same coin, the currency of a political culture having more in common with religion than rational discourse. A rite of passage for apostates peculiar to U.S. political culture is bashing Noam Chomsky. It's the political equivalent of a bar mitzvah, a ritual signaling that one has "grown up" - i.e., grown out of one's "childish" past. It's hard to pick up an article or book by ex-radicals - Gitlin's Letters to a Young Activist, Paul Berman's Terror and Liberalism… - that doesn't include a hysterical attack on him. Behind this venom there's also a transparent psychological factor at play. Chomsky mirrors their idealistic past as well as sordid present, an obstinate reminder that they once had principles but no longer do, that they sold out but he didn't. Hating to be reminded, they keep trying to shatter the glass. He's the demon from the past that, after recantation, no amount of incantation can exorcise."<br /><br />http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=4&ar=6<br /><br />jews talking to jews about jews criticizing jews. the platonic ideal of contemporary political debate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73744843307029523712011-01-24T14:20:31.109-08:002011-01-24T14:20:31.109-08:00Steve, your eliminationist agenda is showing again...Steve, your <b><i>eliminationist</i></b> agenda is showing again. How dare you repeat the notorious <b><i>canards</i></b> of <b><i>rabid</i></b> and <i><b>virulent</b></i> anti-semites like the <b><i>xenophobic</i></b>, <b><i>isolationist</i></b> Glenn Beck?<br />He is hardly more than a <i><b>rank</b></i> reborn Goebbels!<br />This shmendrick and his ilk oughta be locked up in the name of liberty!<br />And how dare you tell the <b>TRUTH?!</b><br />Everybody knows that way lies the gas chambers!!!Gabe Foxmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16069709025507129112011-01-24T12:31:17.024-08:002011-01-24T12:31:17.024-08:00If I were granted 3 wishes, I would like Steve (an...If I were granted 3 wishes, I would like Steve (and Vdare) to have a regular readership numbering close to FoxNews' viewership; for Steve to be a regular guest on the TV pundit shows; and a few billion dollars to start my own cable network and publishing house dedicated to telling the truth.I Dream of Stevienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86451854720570331692011-01-24T12:23:09.881-08:002011-01-24T12:23:09.881-08:00interesting article steve.interesting article steve.jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37428638637094300302011-01-24T12:04:42.927-08:002011-01-24T12:04:42.927-08:00Goldberg knows Beck is not an anti-Semite. But it ...Goldberg knows Beck is not an anti-Semite. But it would be good for Goldberg's politics if he was. Accusing a fair person of Anti-semitism, thus bringing the full historical weight of the charge down upon one, can easily cause that person to start resenting privileged Jews and the games they play. I'm sure Goldberg realizes that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60482074558119257322011-01-24T11:38:45.302-08:002011-01-24T11:38:45.302-08:00Piven wrote:
An effective movement of the unemplo...Piven wrote:<br /><br /><i>An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece … We should hope for another American social movement from the bottom—and then join it.</i><br /><br />It will have to look like Greece. It can't look like the Tea Party, because Piven <i>hates</i> Tea Partiers. If and when Tea Partiers riot Piven's hatred will only be expressed more frequently, more loudly and more shrilly.Join a Social Movement in Israelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55282539368622123342011-01-24T10:30:30.465-08:002011-01-24T10:30:30.465-08:00Stanley Kurtz has a good short
piece on Piven at n...Stanley Kurtz has a good short<br />piece on Piven at natl review today--<br />http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/257733/frances-fox-piven-s-violent-agenda-stanley-kurtzJohn Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07512292512993140028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91368398244480706112011-01-24T10:20:54.288-08:002011-01-24T10:20:54.288-08:00it seems that when Jewish people become bubblehead...<i>it seems that when Jewish people become bubbleheads, they tend to be energetic, competent, articulate and thus highly quotable bubbleheads.</i> <br /><br />I don't believe a word of this nonsense. Can you cite some of the "highly quotable" things which these allegedly "articulate" people have come out with? Jews get quoted a lot in the press because the press is full of other Jews who share the Jewish bubbleheads views. Period. It's not remotely necessary for any of the Jews in question to be especially competent, in the objective sense.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39368208633992970732011-01-24T10:09:39.082-08:002011-01-24T10:09:39.082-08:00Trumka (Wiki says Polish, but the name looks Slova...Trumka (Wiki says Polish, but the name looks Slovakian, maybe Ruthenian) looks way more like Alex Karras (Greek from Gary, IN) than Mike Ditka (Dyczko, Ukrainian from Carnegie, PA).<br /><br />Karras' dad was a doctor (many of the Greeks around Gary are restauranteurs and businessmen). Trumka's dad worked in the mines and Ditka's dad worked in the mill. HBD at work in a steel town.cherub's revengenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91246642690017129442011-01-24T10:00:35.227-08:002011-01-24T10:00:35.227-08:00Beck's list of the evil masterminds of history...Beck's list of the evil masterminds of history seems to me to be odd and haphazard. I think it's just some goofy updated version of the "doctors' plot". I'll bet 90% of Americans have never heard of most of the people on the list. Bernays refined public relations and advertising, selling soap and cigarettes, among other things. He doesn't seem to have thought much of the average person, but then they did buy the cigarettes, proving him right. Freud created an entire industry, people purchasing psychoanalysis and others selling it, teaching it, writing about it, etc. Lots of money exchanged hands there. It's fantastic to think the average viewer of American Idol is under the sway of Freudian inspired concepts. Soros is a guy with bags of money who's decided to get involved in politics internationally, hardly the only one who does so. He's fairly open about it and has written some books explaining his viewpoint. Read a couple and make up your own mind about him. Piven is just a do-good liberal who has been more influential than was justified. Insofar as the Jewish angle is concerned most of the ones on this list are quite secular, assimilated and non-religious; most barely qualify.Chicagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18861800711618886402011-01-24T05:00:19.993-08:002011-01-24T05:00:19.993-08:00"Piven blames Beck’s attacks on her not on an..."Piven blames Beck’s attacks on her not on anti-Semitism, but on … David Horowitz, Fred Siegel, Jim Sleeper, Ron Radosh, and (at interviewer Amy Goodman's suggestion) Stanley Kurtz."<br /><br />That's absolutely hilarious!---almost as good as that (apparently mistaken) claim that the Giffords and the (anti-Semitic) Loughners both attended the same small synagogue...<br /><br />It's things like this that make me awfully, awfully sympathetic to certain particular elements of the WN perspective...RKUnoreply@blogger.com