tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7347502924060603309..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: A New La Griffe essay!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger134125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76872145712780372162012-09-06T12:12:26.893-07:002012-09-06T12:12:26.893-07:00I seem to recall Steve describing some well-off bl...I seem to recall Steve describing some well-off black neighborhoods in So-Cal. The crime rates of such places is surely much lower than the black norm. But it would be foolish to conclude from this: "There, you see, blacks are not any more prone to violence than whites".<br /><br />As I pointed out before, the rate of white violence varies within the US, and within Europe.<br /><br />For ANY large group of people it will always be possible to find outliers on both ends of the crime bell curve. The important question is "Where is the center of the bell curve?"<br /><br />And for Hispanics, the center of their bell curve for crime is located a long, long way from El Paso.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62114518919670424722012-09-05T21:16:03.651-07:002012-09-05T21:16:03.651-07:00"El Paso has been famous for a low murder rat...<i>"El Paso has been famous for a low murder rate for a long time. I read an article in Time in the 1970s that attributed it to lithium in the water supply."</i><br /><br />El Paso and Ciudad Juarez are essentially the same city with the Rio Grande in the middle. Yet El Paso is tranquilo and Ciudad Juarez is often the literal murder capitol of the world. If it was something in the water you'd expect it might work on both sides of the river... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez" rel="nofollow">Combined population of the two cities is is about 2.1 million, Ciudad Juarez populaton is about 1.3 million.</a> Something doesn't add up. Maybe the US Federal types really clamped down on El Pase back in WWII and never let up.<br /><br />Okay, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_El_Paso,_Texas" rel="nofollow">I just learned that the area played an exensive role in the Mexican revolution (with Ciudad Juarez being, as always particularly violent), that Fort Bliss (near El Paso was the base of Pershing's operations chasing Pancho Villa in Mexico before WWII (dare we call it an invasion?)... and that a large number of the Mexican upper class escaped the revolution to El Paso, presumably being grateful for safety in the US:.</a><br /><br /><i>A significant Mexican middle class population developed cultural, social, and educational institutions catering to their needs...</i><br /><br />The Jesuits also retreated from Mexico to El Paso (they were a particular target).<br /><br />There are (or were) 100,000 people at Fort Bliss, a "major Cold War base". I'm suspicious that military MPs, FBI agents alert for spying, and an important chunk of the hispanic population being the equivalent of the original Cubans in Florida, that is, ex-Mexican upper elite fleeing the "permanent revolution" and constantly on the alert for trouble, are what keeps El Paso tranquil. I'd be interested in what anyone on the ground had to say...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74097159587647612612012-09-05T14:32:47.197-07:002012-09-05T14:32:47.197-07:00Consider Chile. That's a mestizo nation if the...<i>Consider Chile. That's a mestizo nation if there was ever one.</i> <br /><br /><br />You argue exactly like Ron Unz. Are you sure you're not him?<br /><br />Chile is not "a mestizo nation if there was ever one".<br /><br /><i>In 2011, Chile had an estimated population of 17,500,000, of which approximately 9.1 million or 52.7% are of European descent, with mestizos estimated at 44%.[6] Other studies found a white majority measured at 64% to 90% of the Chilean population. Chile's various waves of immigrants consisted Spanish, Italians, Irish, French, Greeks, Germans, English, Scots, Croats, and Palestinian arrivals.</i> <br /><br /><i>European and, to a lesser extent, Middle Eastern emigration to Chile, chiefly during the second half of the 19th century and throughout the twentieth, was the most important in Latin America after emigrations to the Atlantic Coast of the Southern Cone (that is, to Argentina and southern Brazil)</i> <br /><br /><i>The Afro-Chilean population has always been tiny, reaching a high of 2,500 people during the colonial period; their current percentage of the population is less than 0.1%.[14] According to the 2002 Census, 4.6% of the Chilean population considered themselves indigenous.</i> <br /><br /><br />But Columbia ...<br /><br /><i>According to the 2005 census by the DANE the population of Colombia was composed of these ethnic groups:[3]<br /><br />58% Mestizo (European and Amerindian).<br />20% White (European).<br />14% Mulatto (European and Black/African).<br />4% Afro-Colombian.<br />3% Zambo (African and Amerindian).<br />1% Amerindian.</i>Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48499807187449305912012-09-05T14:21:06.004-07:002012-09-05T14:21:06.004-07:00While it's most certainly a cause for concern,...<i>While it's most certainly a cause for concern, I don't think it justifies the hysteria you're trying to generate.</i> <br /><br /><br />The emotive person here is you. The person citing facts and figures here is me.<br /><br />You still argue like a liberal.<br /><br /><br /><i>I can accept that a large part of those differences are innate in origin, but it's again a question of just how large a role those innate differences play, and I don't see any good reason to rush to conclusions here. </i> <br /><br /><br />We are well on our way to transforming the US into a minority white country. The topic of Hispanic migration has been debated extensively for decades now. I'd hate to force to "rush to conclusions here" but you resemble a guy who, in May 1944, announced that he did not want to be rushed to a conclusion on the question of whether America should fight a war with Germany and Japan. You pose as somebody who just wants all the facts, but in reality you're stalling for time - time for more illegals to enter America and create "facts on the ground".<br /><br /><br />Just a little while ago you were arguing that Hispanics had a low innate tendency towards crime. Now you say that they have the "potential" to have a low innate tendency towards crime.<br /><br />Of which people could that not be said?Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77843001613337486822012-09-05T14:03:53.595-07:002012-09-05T14:03:53.595-07:00As of mid 2004 - Among males age 25 to 29, 12.6% o...As of mid 2004 - <i>Among males age 25 to 29, 12.6% of blacks were in prison or jail, compared to 3.6% of Hispanics and about 1.7% of whites.</i> <br /><br />http://proxy.baremetal.com/csdp.org/research/pjim04.pdf<br /><br />But Silver assured us that after adjusting for age, Hispanics are only 1.15 to 1.5 times more criminal than whites. Then how come they're more than twice as likely to be locked up? Must be "institutional racism" at work.<br /><br />And the fact is that a lot of Hispanic crime goes unpunished. If we catch an illegal immigrant for some crime less serious than murder or rape, we usually just deport him. In some cases we then re-deport him after he comes back and commits <i>more</i> crime. Such was the case with <a href="http://www.king5.com/news/local/Investigators-Edmonds-rape-suspect-deported-nine-times-94637479.html" rel="nofollow"> Jose Lopez Madrigal.</a> Before being arrested for rape in 2010 he had already been arrested and deported nine times, including three times in 1999 alone.<br /><br />We give illegals such a good deal than even <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/man-avoids-jail-faking-illegal-immigrant-status-180925183.html" rel="nofollow">US citizens</a> now claim to be illegals to try to evade jail time. The incarceration rates undoubtedly understate the degree of Hispanic criminal behavior in the US.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6813385943473161882012-09-05T13:46:58.843-07:002012-09-05T13:46:58.843-07:00"High" in this context means "highe...<i>"High" in this context means "higher than that of the existing Americans", which means "higher than that of white people".</i><br /><br />That's one way to look at it. But I wouldn't characterize hispanic crime in the United States as "high" in any general sort of sense. <br /><br /><i>Gotta love your fall-back position - "All right, fine, the Hispanic crime rate is three times higher than the white crime rate. But who cares?"</i><br /><br />I don't claim it's three times higher. I'd say that's a worst case estimate. While it's most certainly a cause for concern, I don't think it justifies the hysteria you're trying to generate.<br /><br /><i>You're supposed to care, you dope, because you've been tying yourself into a pretzel all through this thread in a desperate attempt to show that the Hispanic crime rate is not higher than the white crime rate.</i><br /><br />That's news to me. I thought I was just trying to put it into a more reasonable context, in particular, one suggesting that it's not necessarily the case that it will forever be higher or forever higher by as much as it currently is.<br /><br /><i> In fact, it does not. Unless you have some actual hard data on crime in south Texas broken out by race/ethnicity which you somehow neglected to mention thus far?</i><br /><br />The south Texas I have in mind are the border cities which are 90%+ latino. <br /><br /><i>Still waiting for you to notice the data on crime in the Hispanic countries of Latin America which I posted. They don't seem to have gotten your memo about how Hispanics have "very, very low .. innate crime levels"!</i><br /><br />My claim is they have the potential for very low crime, not that they always realize that potential -- quite clearly they don't. The reason I haven't wanted to discuss it is the considerable social and developmental differences between the US and latin America. I can accept that a large part of those differences are innate in origin, but it's again a question of just how large a role those innate differences play, and I don't see any good reason to rush to conclusions here. <br /><br />There are substantial differences between closely related countries there that should give you pause. Consider Chile. That's a mestizo nation if there was ever one. Homicide rate of some 3.5 for a number of consecutive years now. Are Chile's people really so wildly divergent from Colombia's that we must ascribe the mammoth homicide rate differential to the respective people's genetic qualities? What about Nicaragua and Panama (low 10s) and El Salvador and Honduras (50+) over the same time period? Are their populations really so drastically different?Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84661097872800507422012-09-05T13:02:38.017-07:002012-09-05T13:02:38.017-07:00El Paso has been famous for a low murder rate for ...El Paso has been famous for a low murder rate for a long time. I read an article in Time in the 1970s that attributed it to lithium in the water supply. Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77112163364666100672012-09-05T10:26:23.762-07:002012-09-05T10:26:23.762-07:00Uh, you brought up "the Unz shtick" so I...<i>Uh, you brought up "the Unz shtick" so I assumed you were talking about Unz's general views, as expressed in the "HisPanic" article and ensuing debate</i> <br /><br /><br />I'm starting to wonder if you're another Unz sockpuppet. You certainly mimic the Unz style of argument perfectly.<br /><br /><br /><i>I certainly do challenge your claim that hispanic crime rates are innately "high." They may be innately higher than whites' but this doesn't necessarily equate to being "high."</i> <br /><br /><br />Yes, dammit, it does. "High" in this context means "higher than that of the existing Americans", which means "higher than that of white people". "High" means that we are importing more crime when we throw the borders open to Hispanic immigration.<br /><br /><br /><i>Say the innate rate of white robbery is 75 and the innate rate of hispanic robbery is 225. The hispanic rate is three times higher. Three times! That's a lot. That is front page news, according to you.</i> <br /> <br /><br />According to <i>me</i>? It certainly seems to be news to <i>YOU</i>. Gotta love your fall-back position - "All right, fine, the Hispanic crime rate is three times higher than the white crime rate. But who cares?"<br /><br />You're supposed to care, you dope, because you've been tying yourself into a pretzel all through this thread in a desperate attempt to show that the Hispanic crime rate is <i>not</i> higher than the white crime rate.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13074193659838827092012-09-05T10:11:30.000-07:002012-09-05T10:11:30.000-07:00the point of citing El Paso and south Texas is tha...<i>the point of citing El Paso and south Texas is that in contradicts your claims of permanently high latino crime.</i> <br /><br /><br />In fact, it does not. Unless you have some actual hard data on crime in south Texas broken out by race/ethnicity which you somehow neglected to mention thus far?<br /><br />Still waiting for you to notice the data on crime in the Hispanic countries of Latin America which I posted. They don't seem to have gotten your memo about how Hispanics have "very, very low .. innate crime levels"!<br /><br />But then, your entire intellectual model is built around not seeing all the many, many things which contradict your preferred narrative.<br /><br />"Don't look at Mexico City, or New York City! Don't look at San Salvador, or Bridgeport, or St Louis, or Tegucigalpa, or Los Angles, or Guatemala City. Don't notice that of the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/most-violent-cities-world-mexico-latin-america_n_1205527.html" rel="nofollow">50 most violent cities</a> in the world, 12 are in Mexico, 14 in Brazil, five in Colombia, 45 in the Americas and 40 in Latin America, or that five of the the most violent cities in the world are in Mexico. No, intelligent and nuanced observers such as I, Silver, know that the correct way to evaluate the Hispanic propensity towards crime is to look at ... El Paso!"Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17136516772265941802012-09-05T07:23:36.286-07:002012-09-05T07:23:36.286-07:00I haven't looked at it yet. And in truth I hav...<i>I haven't looked at it yet. And in truth I haven't really wanted to because the first half of the 90s were the peak years for homicide across large swathes of America, which can only provide a seriously distorted picture of what one should expect from a hispanic presence. </i><br /><br />Okay, now that I've looked at it I was wrong about the above, since it only covers 2002. I was relying on the poster's characterization of it as 1990-2002, but it's not.<br /><br />The study actually breaks down felony defendants in 2002 by race for a select number of counties.<br /><br />In the spreadsheet linked to below I've provided the percentage racial share of whites and hispanics (often an estimate) in 2002 and the percentage share of crimes of defendants of whites and hispanics. The last column attempts to calculate how much more (or, occasionally, less) hispanics are than whites. It divides (A) the hispanic share of defendants by the hispanic share of the population (B) the white share of defendants by the white share of the population, and then divides (A) by (B). For example, for Pima County, AZ it finds that hispanics are 1.73 times as criminal as whites.<br /><br />File http://depositfiles.com/files/nosqoicpg<br /><br />Hispanics in the most hispanic parts of the country appear to be about 1.5 to 2 times as criminal as whites. When you adjust for age you should expect this to decrease to about 1.15 to 1.5. That's more criminal, but it's not outrageously more criminal.<br /><br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51142257401783635932012-09-05T01:53:15.487-07:002012-09-05T01:53:15.487-07:00Frost,
Not quite. The differences result from an ...Frost,<br /><br /><i>Not quite. The differences result from an interaction between race and gender. Actually, it's a three-way interaction between race, gender, and age.</i><br /><br />Okay, you're the expert. But I'm a political animal and a fact this murky -- a black cheque to claim whatever you want -- is politically useless. <br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20868155464322353672012-09-05T01:42:07.272-07:002012-09-05T01:42:07.272-07:00See, this is one reason I find it difficult to tru...<i> See, this is one reason I find it difficult to trust anything you say. What Unz analysis are you talking about? Are you referring to the Griffe analysis and now claiming that "Griffe" is actually Unz, or are you talking about some other previously unmentioned Unz analysis?</i><br /><br />Uh, you brought up "the Unz shtick" so I assumed you were talking about Unz's general views, as expressed in the "HisPanic" article and ensuing debate. <br /><br /><i>The point of the NYC data on homicides is that it directly contradicts the Griffe piece. So does the California data though not as directly, since Griffe only looks at cities.</i><br /><br />And the point of citing El Paso and south Texas is that in contradicts your claims of permanently high latino crime.<br /><br /><i>Silver's not touching that demographic data from the DOJ, is he. It obviously has some sort of problem with Hispanics.</i><br /><br />I haven't looked at it yet. And in truth I haven't really wanted to because the first half of the 90s were the peak years for homicide across large swathes of America, which can only provide a seriously distorted picture of what one should expect from a hispanic presence. That doesn't require me to deny an innate role for usually elevated hispanic crime levels. <br /><br />In view, hispanics have an innately higher "criminal excitability." It seems to take less for them to be prompted to engage in criminal activity. When they're prompted (and the mechanism isn't entirely clear) their crime levels can be astronomical. But when they're not, their crime levels can be very, very low (and for extended periods, decade-long judging by the last 10 years).<br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74112846913177229102012-09-05T01:10:00.079-07:002012-09-05T01:10:00.079-07:00Unfortunately for you and Unz international data s...<i> Unfortunately for you and Unz international data shows that mestizo and amerindian nations with very few blacks such as Honduras, Belize, Guatemala etc are ranked among the top ten homicidal nations on earth.<br /><br />Northern Mexico which also has few if any blacks is also one of the most violent places around....</i><br /><br />I'm very well aware of that. But there's a limit to how much can be inferred from it. Otherwise I could say the western United States during the 19th century was one of the most violent places around (<i>white</i> homicide rates in some parts exceeding 100 -- Brazil at its worst) and conclude on this basis that northern europeans are innate savages. <br /><br />Severn,<br /><br /><i>In the case of Hispanics we see people who imagine themselves to be "reasonable investigators" tying themselves into knots in an effort to claim that the high Hispanic crime rate is not innate. No, high Hispanic crime is a result of the thoughts and words of the wicked "white nationalists"!</i><br /><br />I said "hostility." I didn't claim it flowed only from whites. In many cases it was blacks dishing it out, and in deed as much as in word. And I haven't claimed that this explains <i>everything</i> (nor that it could, in theory, explain everything), only that it's an obvious mitigating factor. I certainly do challenge your claim that hispanic crime rates are innately "high." They may be innately higher than whites' but this doesn't necessarily equate to being "high."<br /><br />Say the innate rate of white robbery is 75 and the innate rate of hispanic robbery is 225. The hispanic rate is three times higher. Three times! That's a lot. That is front page news, according to you. It's the stuff racial revolutions are made of. But what it means is that in a city composed of 50% whites and 50% hispanics the robbery rate will be 150. And while at a rate of 75, 94% of people who live to age 85 will never be robbed even once, at a rate of 150, 88% of people will never be robbed even once. In other words, the vast, vast majority of people experience no change in victimization, and the effect on whites would be even less, since robbery is often a crime of opportunity and since whites and hispanics self-segregate to an extent the opportunities would be less (provided there's no animus encouraging hispancis to target whites).Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81777106553602185832012-09-04T20:48:33.996-07:002012-09-04T20:48:33.996-07:00To nobody's surprise, Ciudad Juarez I think us...To nobody's surprise, Ciudad Juarez I think usually qualifies as the most dangerous city on earth, for instance, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez" rel="nofollow">'"the most violent zone in the world outside of declared war zones" in 2009'</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez" rel="nofollow">"As of August 2009, Juárez's murder rate was the highest reported in the world..."</a>. Despite all this, Ciudad Juarez is booming. Maybe the violence is going down due to massive Army presence. Of course, El Paso, right across the border, is often held up as an example that large Hispanic cities can have very low crime rates. Go figure. Must be the drug gangs and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War" rel="nofollow">drug war</a>. (El Paso is 15% white and 3% black. Of course Fort Bliss, second largest Army base in the US, next door, could have an effect.)<br /><br />But... has there every been relative peace in Mexico? There's been a lot of wars, revolutions, it almost seems continuous... so many that we don't know their names. Most of the big wars seem to have been out-and-out race wars. What's the modern probability of real revolution in Mexico? Steve, have you ever sketched Mexican history for the more harried among us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64544436652823517132012-09-04T19:36:20.534-07:002012-09-04T19:36:20.534-07:00"Otherwise, we should specify that we are ref..."Otherwise, we should specify that we are referring to male differences, rather than general racial differences."<br /><br />Silver,<br /><br />Not quite. The differences result from an interaction between race and gender. Actually, it's a three-way interaction between race, gender, and age.Peter Frosthttp://www.evoandproud.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88116758686347562262012-09-04T14:30:30.698-07:002012-09-04T14:30:30.698-07:00Here is a handy table from the CDC data I linked t...<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6001a14.htm?s_cid=su6001a14_w#tab2" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a handy table from the CDC data I linked to before. It breaks out the homicide rate for (non-Hispanic) whites, blacks, native Americans, Asians, and Hispanics - and does so by age cohort.<br /><br />As before these are murder <i>victims</i>. But as before the victims tell us who the <i>criminals</i> are. The reason why the homicide rate for black men aged 20 to 24 is a sky-high 109.4 per 100,000 is because other young black men are killing them.<br /><br />With that in mind, the homicide rate of white, Asian and Hispanic males in the 20 to 24 year-old range are 6.3, 8.8, and 35.9 respectively.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47241320746411148332012-09-04T14:02:29.865-07:002012-09-04T14:02:29.865-07:00That link on national homicide rates didn't wo...That link on <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6001a14.htm?s_cid=su6001a14_w" rel="nofollow">national homicide rates</a> didn't work for some reason, so here it is again.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86987051749650143772012-09-04T12:30:38.165-07:002012-09-04T12:30:38.165-07:00Silver
"Females are 50% of the species so any...Silver<br />"Females are 50% of the species so any attempt to tease out innate racial differences would surely have to consider the ways in which females of various races differ as well as the ways in which males do. Otherwise, we should specify that we are referring to male differences, rather than general racial differences."<br /><br />Seeing as men are responsible for the vast majority of violent i'd say that would be more a case of attempted misdirection.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22541698271548212172012-09-04T12:20:48.829-07:002012-09-04T12:20:48.829-07:00We don't have national data on the ethnicity o...We don't have national data on the ethnicity of criminals, but we do have it on the ethnicity of victims. And most homicide victims are are killed by members of their own group. The biggest victims of black crime are other black people. With that in mind, look at the <a href="url" rel="nofollow">national data</a> on homicides.<br /><br /><i>During 1991--2007, homicide was ranked as one of the top four leading causes of death each year for persons aged 1--40 years living in the United States.</i> <br /><br /><br /><i>During 1999--2002, among persons aged 10--19 years, the homicide rate for blacks was estimated to be 17.8 per 100,000 population, a rate 10 times that of whites (1.8 per 100,000) and higher than the rates reported for American Indians/Alaska Natives (AI/ANs) (6.0 per 100,000), Asian/Pacific Islanders (A/PIs) (2.9 per 100,000), and Hispanics (8.0 per 100,000).</i> <br /><br /><br /> <br />Note that this is <i>age adjusted</i> data. Some people claim that Hispanic crime only <i>seems</i> high because they are younger on average than the white population. But after adjusting for age, Hispanics are more than four time more likely to be homicide victims than are whites <i>in the same age cohort</i>. <br /><br />This does not translate directly to "The rate at which Hispanics commit homicide is more than four times that of whites" because the perpetrator is not always from the same racial/ethnic group as the victim. Some of those murdered Hispanics were murdered by blacks,. Or, less likely, by whites or Asians. But the great majority were killed by their fellow Hispanics.<br /><br />The rate at which members of a group are <i>perpetrators</i> of violent crime is closely and inextricably linked to the rate at which the members of that group are <i>victims</i> of violent crime. Just as we could deduce very high levels of black criminal behavior by looking at the victims of crime even in the absence of federal data breaking out the black/white disparity in felons, so we can make some pretty accurate assessments of national Hispanic criminality by looking at the frequency with which they are crime victims.<br /><br />And when we do that it turns that, after adjusting for age, Hispanics are far more likely to engage in violent crime than are whites.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88180956035617967872012-09-04T12:18:02.809-07:002012-09-04T12:18:02.809-07:00@Silver
"See, this is one reason I find it di...@Silver<br />"See, this is one reason I find it difficult to trust anything you say."<br /><br />The same applies to you.<br /><br /><br />"You don't like hispanics, do you? You didn't like them before you knew a thing about their crime rates and you like them even less now that you do, right?...But I don't believe <b>distorting the truth</b> about them is necessary or even helpful when it comes to such things as ending immigration and white rights/identity."<br /><br />The truth is there have already been MILLIONS of casualties from mass immigration - millions of people stabbed, shot, raped or killed from the promotion of this policy and the cover-up of the consequences of this policy.<br /><br />Regardless of the crime *rate* this policy has led to a *vast* amount of *extra* violent crime simply because of the importing of millions of *extra* young men then multiplied by the effects of diversity.<br /><br />The people who promote this policy and the people who cover it up either directly or through attempted misdirection should be on trial for attempted genocide and accessories to murder.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90719924538245902582012-09-04T11:23:45.920-07:002012-09-04T11:23:45.920-07:00The point of the NYC data on homicides is that it ...The point of the NYC data on homicides is that it directly contradicts the Griffe piece. So does the California data though not as directly, since Griffe only looks at cities.<br /><br />If spite of the claims that "we can't know what Hispanic crime looks like because the FBI does not track criminal offenders by their Hispanic status and therefore we have to engage in this obfuscationary analysis", there is a wealth of hard data out there on Hispanic crime from cities and states around the country. <br /><br />And that hard data directly contradicts the claims by Unz and Griffe with respect to Hispanic crime.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53706983982235542442012-09-04T11:10:13.778-07:002012-09-04T11:10:13.778-07:00See, this is one reason I find it difficult to tru...<i>See, this is one reason I find it difficult to trust anything you say. Unz was very clear that his analysis didn't apply to the northeast.</i> <br /><br /><br />See, this is one reason I find it difficult to trust anything you say. What Unz analysis are you talking about? Are you referring to the Griffe analysis and now claiming that "Griffe" is actually Unz, or are you talking about some other previously unmentioned Unz analysis?<br /><br /><br /><i>hispanics there are a very different breed, maybe 50% of them being some variety of black. You're surely aware of this, so for you to bang on about NYC is...it's just frustrating, ya know?</i> <br /><br /><br />If I had not already linked to and mentioned the arrest data for homicide in <i>other</i> places, you'd have a point. But since I did so, you don't. As usual.<br /><br />Your habit of seeing only what you want to see is frustrating, ya know?Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72296508058020797992012-09-04T11:01:16.946-07:002012-09-04T11:01:16.946-07:00That's an excellent question and I'm very ...<i>That's an excellent question and I'm very tempted to say you "got me." But I may save myself yet, so hear me out</i><br /><br />What follows is a lengthy attempt at obfuscation and rationalization.<br /><br /><i>most reasonable investigators allow that a significant proportion of the observed differences between groups are innate.</i> <br /><br /><br />Except, apparently, in the case of Hispanics. In the case of Hispanics we see people who imagine themselves to be "reasonable investigators" tying themselves into knots in an effort to claim that the high Hispanic crime rate is <i>not</i> innate. No, high Hispanic crime is a result of the thoughts and words of the wicked "white nationalists"!<br /><br /><br />Those of us of a certain age can remember when it was widely accepted that the high black crime rate was also attributable to - you guessed it - white racism.<br /><br />The left never has any new ideas.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2023532012876862832012-09-04T06:56:34.449-07:002012-09-04T06:56:34.449-07:00Silver's not touching that demographic data fr...Silver's not touching that demographic data from the DOJ, is he. It obviously has some sort of problem with Hispanics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23732257460820418192012-09-04T05:01:02.202-07:002012-09-04T05:01:02.202-07:00Unz was very clear that his analysis didn't ap...<i>Unz was very clear that his analysis didn't apply to the northeast. That stands to reason because the hispanics there are a very different breed, maybe 50% of them being some variety of black. </i><br /><br />Unfortunately for you and Unz international data shows that mestizo and amerindian nations with very few blacks such as Honduras, Belize, Guatemala etc are ranked among the top ten homicidal nations on earth.<br /><br />Northern Mexico which also has few if any blacks is also one of the most violent places around....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com