tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7514521168196919661..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The best defense is a good offenseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger131125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70090723826951687022013-03-23T05:30:20.169-07:002013-03-23T05:30:20.169-07:00No American Jew is clamoring for Pollard
So it...<i>No American Jew is clamoring for Pollard</i><br /><br />So it's just impostor inauthentic American Jews, at the "Right Turn" blog for the Washington Post or buying the newspaper ads demanding clemency for him? Thanks for clearing that up. I used to be on the e-mail list of something called "Women In Green," a response to Women In Black but obviously targeting the demographic in the U.S. since it was in English and compiled by NYC activists. What led me eventually to unsubscribe/block them was their long-running semi-monthly written rehearsal of Free Pollard: The Musical, actually prompting a few minor arguments between members of the list and myself. That was in 2001...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38174755321772516432013-03-23T05:21:10.090-07:002013-03-23T05:21:10.090-07:00Steve Sailer said...
The question of whether Shimo...<i> Steve Sailer said...<br />The question of whether Shimon Peres' plea to Obama for Pollard works or not is not as interesting as the phenomenon that Pollardmania isn't just out on the far right fringe anymore, it's become a broad national craze.</i><br /><br />OK Steve, but what *I* meant was that the so-called phenomenon doesn't necessarily have tactical significance you ascribe, since a pro-Pollard position is now obviously cheap to hold while remaining totally not-seaworthy, similar to wearing red ribbons at public functions as a way to prevent the spread of AIDS. Have you been around a college lately or talked to kids or relatives' kids subjected to such fad manias on a daily basis? I recall Mumia Abu-Jamal from my own school days; anyone with the slightest bit of direct, factual information on the case couldn't fathom the support--killing a cop being a pretty serious cultural demerit anywhere, but in white-flight Philly??--however, the notable lack of new exculpatory evidence never seemed to dampen the level of witless enthusiasm for that cause celebre on my campus. The serious/more intelligent liberals I was friends with at the time just winced and lumped in these Free Mumia apostles with the local marijuana-rights protesters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5537087511234969422013-03-22T06:15:22.114-07:002013-03-22T06:15:22.114-07:00"Maybe this tendency to demand gestures of go..."Maybe this tendency to demand gestures of good will from the victims of your bad will serves useful purposes? Perhaps there are lessons to be learned from Israel's success?"<br /><br />maybe it is a lesson that has already been learned - by Israel.<br /><br />The various Palestinins have long used this tactic demanding ends of settlement programmes, release of terrorists, exit of Gaza etc etc as the price of the mentering negotiations which never go anywhere - with western powers shjowing their eagerness for everyubody top be nice by backing their calls.<br /><br />neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27445845064139387412013-03-21T18:54:31.212-07:002013-03-21T18:54:31.212-07:00No American Jew is clamoring for Pollard to be rel...No American Jew is clamoring for Pollard to be released - he is of zero concern to the Jewish community. This might come as a great shock to your readers but Pollard was not a spy for Bnai Brith. The Israeli public, knowing virtually nothing about the case, raises a fuss every once in a while but on a list of matters Israelis really care about, Mr. Pollard does not rank. The allegation that Israel traded US nuclear secrets to the Soviets (which has no source) seems bizarre to me. If that were so, the US would have certainly broken relations with Israel. Moreover the Soviets threatened to actually USE nukes on Israel in 1956 and 1973. Would the Israelis really be so foolish as to throw away their shield? Finally, I am going to check Jewish American publications to see what they say about Ames- and the WASP/Russian plot to destroy America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65867043130669359582013-03-21T14:25:43.834-07:002013-03-21T14:25:43.834-07:00Here's Newt Gingrich doing a little dance on t...Here's Newt Gingrich doing a little dance on the Pollard case: <br /> <br />"Lately, no pandering seems out of bounds. Gingrich even pandered to one of the Netanyahu government’s favorite causes—clemency for Jonathan Jay Pollard, who passed American secrets to the Israelis and has been serving a life sentence in prison since 1987. “If we can get to the point where I’m satisfied that there’s no national security threat, and if he’s in fact served within the range of people who’ve had a similar problem, then I’d be inclined to consider clemency.”"<br /><br />from David Remnick's artcle, "Newt, the Jews, and an invented people" (NEW YORKER).<br /><br />syon<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28929090081492197092013-03-20T18:57:34.049-07:002013-03-20T18:57:34.049-07:00The Jewish reaction to Pollard's punishment mi...The Jewish reaction to Pollard's punishment might make one reconsider other incidents where Jews claimed to be innocent victims.<br /><br />As for the 'but he was spying for an ally' defense, we expect enemies to spy, but many people think being betrayed and mistreated by a friend is worse. We expected better of our ally, and their co-ethnics in the US. Then Israel had Pollard stab us in the back.<br /><br />Expect the waves of waaahnti-Semitic!<br /><br />The Israelis might be bringing up Pollard to remind Obama (who Whiskey can tell you is Hitler part dos on Jews) that there are lots of potential traitors in his administration and agencies.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47988095418953552602013-03-20T17:15:39.863-07:002013-03-20T17:15:39.863-07:00Mary Phagan
Elia Kazan
Spinoza
Jesus
Nixon
Pollard...Mary Phagan<br />Elia Kazan<br />Spinoza<br />Jesus<br />Nixon<br />Pollard's prosecutors<br />the Rosenbergs' executors<br /><br />- all anti-Semitic dogs!<br /><br />So I win. Where's my free copy of <i>From Time Immemorial</i>?Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55056300987572043042013-03-20T16:16:51.472-07:002013-03-20T16:16:51.472-07:00Anyone want to bet Obama will pardon Pollard befor...Anyone want to bet Obama will pardon Pollard before he leaves office?<br /><br />Clinton pardoned members of the Weather Underground. Had Ethel and Julius Rosenberg not been fried, a Democrat president would have pardoned them (liberals bellyached for years that they were innocent).<br /><br />Obama will pardon Pollard. It's only a matter of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-642729621507638452013-03-20T11:41:14.451-07:002013-03-20T11:41:14.451-07:00"anony-mouse said...
This of course is impos..."anony-mouse said... <br />This of course is impossible.<br /><br />As Walt and Mearsheimer showed conclusively, and as all ISteve commenters will verify, the US government is a hopeless pawn in the hands of the Israel Lobby.<br /><br />Pollard is obviously walking around free and Teheran is a crater. Ninety percent of American taxes go to Israel.<br /><br />Its shocking that Steve writes otherwise.<br /><br />Unless...."<br /><br />What an absurd straw man argument. You come accross like you are trying to parody your own posistion. <br /><br />It is true that the Israel lobby has been challenged more since Obama was elected than it had been under W or Clinton. That's a good thing for America. ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41495380206520819762013-03-20T08:01:24.202-07:002013-03-20T08:01:24.202-07:00If historical apologies are a good thing, what abo...If historical apologies are a good thing, what about historical thanks-yous?<br /><br />Mebbe we should the Babylonians for the Hammurabi law code?<br />Asian-Indians for the numeric system?<br />Chinese for invention of paper and chop suey?<br />Greeks for philosophy and drama?<br />Italians for pizza and spaghetti?<br />Germans for Bach and Beethoven?<br />Anglo folks for ending slavery around the world?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5511952963472927172013-03-20T05:00:13.152-07:002013-03-20T05:00:13.152-07:00Anonydroid: This is why anglos and wasps fail. Th...Anonydroid: This is why anglos and wasps fail. They are more into proper form and etiquette than into the real substance of things.<br /><br />Hunsdon: I repeat, sir, what do you prefer? Obongo? Classy as always.<br /><br />Anonydroid: Clinton called George Bush 1 Bush and not President Bush when campaigning against him so Clinton introduced the new tradition.<br /><br />Hunsdon: We are all Clintonians now?<br /><br />Vic: An emotional position against Pollard—die in prison!—marks an antisemite.<br /><br />Hunsdon: Do I get a special hat?<br /><br />Stan: You're a total ass, Sailer.<br /><br />Hunsdon: Develop your line of argument, Stan. Was it a good thing to have the Soviets end up with boomer scheduling?<br /><br />Wikipedia: Emanuel was a civilian volunteer assisting the Israel Defense Forces (redacted) repairing truck brakes (redacted).<br /><br />Hunsdon: That Rahm, he's a workin' man!Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76660473985910568542013-03-19T22:01:42.114-07:002013-03-19T22:01:42.114-07:00"Vic said...
But spying for a friendly count..."Vic said...<br /><br />But spying for a friendly country—a strategic ally—is wholly unrelated to Ames, Rosenberg and the like. An emotional position against Pollard—die in prison!—marks an antisemite."<br /><br />If Israel subborns pentagon employees to spy for them, and trades information to the Soviets, perhaps it is neither a "friendly country" nor a "strategic ally".Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75794501976987527022013-03-19T21:48:45.739-07:002013-03-19T21:48:45.739-07:00I doubt Vic's comment above is anything but si...I doubt Vic's comment above is anything but sincere. It's a parody all right, but an unintended and self-inflicted one, like anony-mouse's just above.<br /><br />These comments actually exemplify the signature shticks of the my-ethny-right-or-wrong crowd. One beats up absurd straw men and declare himself winner without ever engaging the other side. The other entreats you to self-censor things he doesn't like for <i>your own good!</i> (Or HBD's! Or the children's!)TomVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444310940860282036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67813761126408957152013-03-19T20:10:00.689-07:002013-03-19T20:10:00.689-07:00Why exactly should Jews apologize for excommunicat...Why exactly should Jews apologize for excommunicating Spinoza? They didn't kill him or sold him into slavery, just excommunicated. Catholic and other Churches have excommunicated lots of people on the ground of heresy, and still do. I am not aware of any apologies for this if the individuals in question were really heretics (other mistreatment is a different story). Religions gotta have dogmas; if you deny the dogmas of your religion you cannot be a part of it, duh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34901838326084107812013-03-19T20:03:54.819-07:002013-03-19T20:03:54.819-07:00Shouldn't Jews apologize for ...
How about fo...<i>Shouldn't Jews apologize for ...</i><br /><br />How about for helping the Ottomans collect the child tax in the Balkans? How about for assisting the Moors with the conquest of Spain? How about for assisting the Bolsheviks in carrying out the Holodmor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13041097437747977982013-03-19T19:37:16.168-07:002013-03-19T19:37:16.168-07:00Anonymous:"Steve, I wouldn't have serious...Anonymous:"Steve, I wouldn't have seriously thought Rahm Emmanuel could leave the U.S. during the Gulf War to join the IDF, then come back for a successful career. I wouldn't have though Sheldon Adelson could said it was "unfortunate" he joined the U.S. military instead of the IDF. <br /><br />We live in a country beyond parody."<br /><br />Technically, Rahm did not serve in the IDF. From WIKIPEDIA:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"Emanuel was a civilian volunteer assisting the Israel Defense Forces for a short time during the 1991 Gulf War, repairing truck brakes in one of Israel's northern bases with Sar-El.[10][11]"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21462760539135041202013-03-19T18:59:27.153-07:002013-03-19T18:59:27.153-07:00Steve, I wouldn't have seriously thought Rahm ...Steve, I wouldn't have seriously thought Rahm Emmanuel could leave the U.S. during the Gulf War to join the IDF, then come back for a successful career. I wouldn't have though Sheldon Adelson could said it was "unfortunate" he joined the U.S. military instead of the IDF. <br /><br />We live in a country beyond parody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75423261426717200442013-03-19T18:15:33.268-07:002013-03-19T18:15:33.268-07:00"It almost seems to have the irrational strid..."It almost seems to have the irrational stridency of a false-flag post"<br /><br />Right. Or parody. <br /><br />I mean, I drop in and out of absurdist parody mode a lot, and, hopefully people, can tell. But sometimes they probably can't.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60173150949406402742013-03-19T18:10:51.248-07:002013-03-19T18:10:51.248-07:00"I nominate "Pollard should get a medal,..."I nominate "Pollard should get a medal, you ANTI-SEMITES!!!" for tone-deaf Jewish quote of the year."<br /><br />It almost seems to have the irrational stridency of a false-flag post, the internet equivalent of one of those hood wearing actors appearing on Jerry Springer. And yet, it appears to be popular in Israel to want to pardon Pollard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60614626748979477782013-03-19T18:07:54.041-07:002013-03-19T18:07:54.041-07:00Polite and impolite forms of address are just part...Polite and impolite forms of address are just part of the rhetorical toolkit. "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" was much more effective than "Hey, you commie dictator, tear down this wall!" Or "Yo, dude with the funny spot on his forehead, tear down this wall!" <br /><br />One big downside to over-the-top impoliteness is that the subset of the other side who were potentially reachable by your message (perhaps later, as they digest what you said in light of later things that happen) just tune you out. Start talking about Obama the Commie Socialist Muslim, and even the Obama voters who might listen to what you have to say about affirmative action or AIPAC or immigration policy will tune you out, and you will have impressed nobody not already on your side. That might make you feel good, but it won't actually help your cause our any. (Though in truth, very little politics is about policy.)NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14746377991865893082013-03-19T17:52:39.502-07:002013-03-19T17:52:39.502-07:00Pollard is in prison and Israel wants him released...Pollard is in prison and Israel wants him released, not because any details about him or his crime, but simply to send the right message to current and future spies.<br /><br />Israel wants to send the message: If you somehow get caught, we will bend every effort to get you released from prison, to ensure your good treatment, etc.<br /><br />The US wants to send the message: If you are caught spying on us, even for an ally, we will screw you to the wall, so don't even think of doing it. <br /><br />None of this has anything at all to do with Pollard. It's just about creating the right incentives for the future. The longer Pollard rots in prison, the harder it is for Israel, France, the UK, etc. to recruit people to spy on us for them, because we've made it clear that we won't let our friendly relations with their employer keep us from arranging for them to die of old age in prison. NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10433083833217985092013-03-19T17:49:06.948-07:002013-03-19T17:49:06.948-07:00candid_observer said...
While older generations ar...<i>candid_observer said...<br><br />While older generations are pretty comfortable with their hypocrisy in how they support Israel vs. how decry racism in our country, the younger generations take the anti-racism seriously. </i><br />until they become old themsleves...bogusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40748273896314541882013-03-19T17:43:56.122-07:002013-03-19T17:43:56.122-07:00And all the cogent HBD analysis—who needs it? It’s...<i>And all the cogent HBD analysis—who needs it? It’s a racist hate site.</i><br />All the hasbara, who needs that? It's just racial bigotrybonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49960061846404285972013-03-19T17:40:55.980-07:002013-03-19T17:40:55.980-07:00@ Anonymous 3/19/13, 3:14 PM
You wrote:
"It...@ Anonymous 3/19/13, 3:14 PM<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br />"It didn't fail for the elites though. <br />In the 1917 revolution, the old elites really did fall and the new ones took over. <br />But the fall of communism was actually good for the Soviet elites. They no longer had to feed the people and offer public services and programs. Instead, the former communist elite class pretty much 'privatized' the entire economy--built by generations of Soviet workers--for themselves and bought yachts and rubbed shoulders with the global rich. <br /><br />So, the fall of the Soviet Union was the true rise of the Soviet elites--remade into Russian elites. <br />Same thing in the former Soviet republics. Former communist elites cleaned up and lived better than ever, indeed better than during communist days. <br /><br />It wasn't so much a revolution of the people overthrowing the elite as of the elite tossing aside the people. It went from 'we run the economy for the people' to 'we take the economy away from the people for ourselves'."<br /><br />No comment on that directly, but permit me to observe that much of what happened after 1991 -- the bad stuff -- was due to the Clinton-era American elites looking for a quick buck in all places ex-Soviet. Not to mention the unspoken American desire to cripple the place -- i.e., Russia -- for decades.<br /><br />Many Russians would like to spit on Gorby and co. ;)<br /><br />We Americans have wasted a lot of diplomatic capital by always bashing Russia. <br /><br />Got diplomacy?<br />Kibernetikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25125517645261184242013-03-19T17:34:25.359-07:002013-03-19T17:34:25.359-07:00You're a total ass, Sailer.
Well, that's ...<i>You're a total ass, Sailer.</i><br /><br />Well, that's the Sayanim vote heard from.<br /><br />P.S., Syon gets today's Righteous Jew award.Svigornoreply@blogger.com