tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7547235713114953543..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Tribal Fertility Totem Elicits Strong EmotionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51056731042868661672008-09-12T01:25:00.000-07:002008-09-12T01:25:00.000-07:00I wrote: >>"A lot of Blue Staters do se...I wrote: <BR/>>>"A lot of Blue Staters do seem to really hate the idea of Red State breeders. This includes traditionalists like Lawrence Auster, condemning Palin for her daughter being pregnant at 17 - by her fiance!!. But what could be more traditional than pregnant at 17, married at 18? Waiting until you're 23 and out of college, or 28and got your Masters, or 35 and got your second job and a mortgage, before breeding is Blue State mores.<BR/><BR/>Beyond that, some people on the Left seem personally offended at the idea of whites breeding at all. One told me: "I visited Paris - the French are so racist - there were white babies everywhere!""<<<BR/><BR/>Lawrence Auster has asked me to retract my comment that he hates the idea of Red State breeders. He does not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7723913113187861982008-09-06T18:24:00.000-07:002008-09-06T18:24:00.000-07:00After reading thoughtful comments on the subject e...After reading thoughtful comments on the subject elsewhere, I regret using the phrase "knocked up" above. I stand by most of what else I wrote, however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16836031733522146592008-09-04T07:35:00.000-07:002008-09-04T07:35:00.000-07:00I think we may be reading too much into the Palin ...I think we may be reading too much into the Palin selection. McCain chose her because he thought she would appeal to conservatives, with whom he was weak. Democrats are attacking her because, well, that is what politicians do. They attack the opposing party. <BR/><BR/>Democrats are worried that she will bring in conservative votes for McCain, so they are looking for any angle of attack they can find. It is unlikely that they hate her personally or give a fig about her personal life. Its just politics as usual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27265901999295114322008-09-04T07:29:00.000-07:002008-09-04T07:29:00.000-07:00I am white, but my children are not. (At least no...I am white, but my children are not. (At least not according to the old "one drop" rule!) Thus I have succeeded in propagating my genes while remaining true to my liberal principles. Sometimes you CAN have it both ways!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68490800217245805642008-09-04T06:56:00.000-07:002008-09-04T06:56:00.000-07:00Given how deep the fertile urge runs in humans, it...Given how deep the fertile urge runs in humans, it takes a lot of obfuscation to justify abortion. Sarah Palin has visibly and demonstrably blown the robotic rhetorical justification ("can't be tied down; a child takes too much away from my life, especially a 'damaged' child"). A tough, happy, productive prominent woman with five beautiful children -- and a portable breast pump -- has to strike to the heart of "why, even if it's murder, I have to get an abortion." Then, it strikes to the heart of the for-a-moment-was-a-mother who is at some level grieving for the children she does not have.<BR/><BR/>La Palin has ushered the polity into rich archetypal territory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64495786812244321692008-09-03T20:48:00.000-07:002008-09-03T20:48:00.000-07:00Philly Guy - this "low church" stuff is just crack...<I>Philly Guy - this "low church" stuff is just cracking me up.<BR/><BR/>BTW - is the Evangelical Presbyterian Church low or high?<BR/><BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Yes, and Presbyterians in general -- please explain why or how they're higher church than Methodists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30687569900758661762008-09-03T17:51:00.000-07:002008-09-03T17:51:00.000-07:00Lucius,Stop being disingenuous. You know what I m...Lucius,<BR/><BR/>Stop being disingenuous. You know what I mean by WASP. Not generic white, or Anglo, or Protestant, but the old elite affiliated with traditional, moderate Protestant Churches from urban areas (mostly in the Northeast and Tidewater regions) that largely controlled finance and politics in the US until the 1950s, when they were forced to share there predominance with other whites, particularly Jews.<BR/><BR/>These people, of which I am one, are unusual among white gentiles in that they generally place an Asian- or Jewish-like emphasis on educational prestige and view the Ivies as the end all and be all of status (as opposed to seeing the sense in taking a full ride to a state honors program).<BR/>-Philly GuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84241464763407928172008-09-03T16:56:00.000-07:002008-09-03T16:56:00.000-07:00Lucius: If Levi wants to skip college and become a...Lucius: If Levi wants to skip college and become a husband and father at age eighteen, that's his right and his business, provided he does it in the husband first, father second order. By doing it in the wrong order, however, he has caused the shadow of the shotgun to always hang over the marriage and lessened its prospects of success.<BR/><BR/>I doubt very much that teenage marriage was Levi and Bristol's original plan. If it had been, they could have restrained themselves a few months longer. They should be applauded for not having an abortion, but not as fertility heroes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65512408596027735502008-09-03T16:18:00.000-07:002008-09-03T16:18:00.000-07:00"2) ...Please explain why Barack isn't the underst..."2) ...Please explain why Barack isn't the understudy?"<BR/><BR/>Well, there's this process in America known as 'voting'...<BR/><BR/>"The story of Obama and his parents is one long stupid, insterspersed with bouts of egotism and anti-Americanism. The story of the Palin family is one of generally responsible behavior punctuated by the occasional mistake. There's a difference there, and anyone with any sense can see it."<BR/><BR/>I know nothing about Palin's parents, do you? And how, exactly do you define 'anti-Americanism?'Could it be defined as challenging Roe -v- Wade?<BR/><BR/>"Of course none of us know the guy, but I think encouraging Bristol to marry the father is the one possibly politically calculated act in the whole story."<BR/><BR/>I think you missed the point; I have not been keeping track, but has the boy, yet proposed to Bristol? Maybe he wants to sow his wild oats for a few years (although if he's as much of a hellraiser as he claims to be, he probably will married or single.)Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53524581786617740762008-09-03T13:46:00.000-07:002008-09-03T13:46:00.000-07:00Steve, the Romans had a stock phrase: "Plebs non g...Steve, the Romans had a stock phrase: "Plebs non gentum habet," meaning, I think, no family cohesion, no legitimate heirs, and not much to inherit ... In other words, no middle-class-ness.<BR/><BR/>I think the Palin family flunks this pleb-ness test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65666193312032068522008-09-03T11:58:00.000-07:002008-09-03T11:58:00.000-07:00Hey Zog, we don't want the yokels getting wise to ...Hey Zog, we don't want the yokels getting wise to our plans. You need to be more discreet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38445761149287419302008-09-03T11:53:00.000-07:002008-09-03T11:53:00.000-07:00Give them a break, they're just ignorant hicks. T...Give them a break, they're just ignorant hicks. They can't be expected to know any better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39509553212957149872008-09-03T11:51:00.000-07:002008-09-03T11:51:00.000-07:00The very idea of whites having children is simply ...The very idea of whites having children is simply too disgusting for words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64652163855467760722008-09-03T11:32:00.000-07:002008-09-03T11:32:00.000-07:00Women hate Palin because of her blue collar husban...Women hate Palin because of her blue collar husband?<BR/>I don't know what you're talking about. I really like Palin though I would never hunt (unless I had to.) He reminds me of my blue collar dad, brother, friends, some people who saved my life, and others.<BR/> Blue collar husband? If they are the gentlemanly type, those are the guys to have for husbands. They know how to DO stuff that needs doing. Their price is greater than rubies.<BR/><BR/> Look. We know the Obama stiffs are out and about. This campaign is bankrolled by some enormous interests and they are on the internet tearing their hair out, clawing to get Palin out of the way, because she stole O's thunder, such as it was.<BR/> Nah. Women don't hate her--not that many. One of us did ask--why oh why did she accept. It's hard enough being 17 (the daughter) without going through this scrutiny. We're quite sympathetic.<BR/>The haters you are talking about are paid bloggers, or whiterpeople who have gone insane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62676898809134828162008-09-03T05:41:00.000-07:002008-09-03T05:41:00.000-07:00"Maybe being knocked up by a handsome hockey playe..."Maybe being knocked up by a handsome hockey player isn't as bad as being knocked up by Seth Rogan or Michael Cera..."<BR/><BR/>Having since seen a picture of this "handsome" guy's mug, I can no longer stand by this statement.<BR/><BR/>"The Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy just validated what we already knew of the Spears family - the basic disfunctionality and craziness."<BR/><BR/>The younger Spears is also nominally engaged. We'll see if either marriage takes place and, if it does, whether it lasts longer than the marriage of Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, whose shortness several have cited as a difference between Dunham's situation and Bristol Palin's. (I will agree that Levi is unlikely to be a bigamist with a secret wife in Africa.) <BR/><BR/>I disassociate myself from those who claim Sarah Palin is not intelligent or that she is white trash. Even the best mothers sometimes fail, but fail she did.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Proms in early April? Maybe that is a more benign western tradition (compared to the alleged tradition of getting knocked up, which I doubt is borne out by statistics). Eastern proms are in late May.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26338542370406120302008-09-03T05:21:00.000-07:002008-09-03T05:21:00.000-07:00Philly Guy - this "low church" stuff is just crack...Philly Guy - this "low church" stuff is just cracking me up.<BR/><BR/>BTW - is the <A HREF="http://www.epc.org/about-the-epc/position-papers/homosexuality/" REL="nofollow">Evangelical Presbyterian Church</A> low or high?<BR/><BR/>PS: If you are really interested in this topic, then you ought to have a gander at Spengler's <A HREF="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front_page/fk09aa02.html" REL="nofollow">Power and the Evangelical Womb</A> [if you haven't already] - see especially <A HREF="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/images/spengler-table.gif" REL="nofollow">this table</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37198906687772492892008-09-03T04:57:00.000-07:002008-09-03T04:57:00.000-07:00Black Sea: It's really difficult for a person like...<B>Black Sea:</B> <I>It's really difficult for a person like this to realize that the world is full of people who don't particularly give a shit about playing hockey, even if they could.</I><BR/><BR/>The first part of your comment was pretty reasonable, but then you finished with this gem - how in the world do you know what is "difficult" for Levi Johnston "to realize"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30537417361215564342008-09-03T04:49:00.000-07:002008-09-03T04:49:00.000-07:00Anonymous: Don't worry, those extra 5 years or so ...<B>Anonymous:</B> <I>Don't worry, those extra 5 years or so of freedom before adopting the responsibilities of a father, husband, and provider probably would've sucked.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, let's see what we would have done with those extra 5 years of freedom.<BR/><BR/>Freshman Year: Phenomenology of Anthropomorphic Global Climate Change [SATISIFIES MATH/SCIENCE REQUIREMENT]<BR/><BR/>Sophomore Year: 20th Century French Existentialism<BR/><BR/>Junior Year: Dworkin and the Deconstruction of Patrimony<BR/><BR/>Senior Year: Progessive Issues in GLBT <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT#Variants" REL="nofollow">(LGBTQ, LGBTQQ, GLBTQ?)</A> Theory<BR/><BR/>Master of Fine Arts Thesis: Photo Essay Documentary of my Shemale Surgery<BR/><BR/>Versus 5 years of getting it on with <A HREF="http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/09/02/amd_bristol-2.jpg" REL="nofollow">this chick</A> and making babies with her.<BR/><BR/>Levi Johnston, I say it again: ROCK ON, DUDE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24760970504435594242008-09-03T00:15:00.000-07:002008-09-03T00:15:00.000-07:00I agree with Philly Guy on the question of Palin's...I agree with Philly Guy on the question of Palin's intelligence. Who knows? How many of us had even heard of her two weeks ago? <BR/><BR/>This obsession with Ivy League universities as intelligence/status markers is one that afflicts only a very small percentage of the American public, or even the smarter fraction of the American public. Outside of the upper classes in the Boston-Washington corridor, there are lots of people who send their kids to "whatever" state university because it's affordable and close to home. The kids aren't dissappointed about not going to Harvard because it never occured to them to go to Harvard in the first place. <BR/><BR/>I suppose if you're Levi Johnston, and you're obsessed with hockey, then you assume that EVERYONE with a lick of athletic ability would jump at that chance to play hockey, and therefore those who don't, can't. It's really difficult for a person like this to realize that the world is full of people who don't particularly give a shit about playing hockey, even if they could.Black Seahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16347464061061628147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1359605993101010882008-09-02T23:16:00.000-07:002008-09-02T23:16:00.000-07:00travis said: "Uh,no. Flem Snopes was impotent. Pal...travis said: "Uh,no. Flem Snopes was impotent. Palin is more Drusilla from "The Unvanquished". Stick to reading Updike."<BR/><BR/>I think "Light in August" may be the more relevant tale, with Bristol in the role of Lena Grove, and Obama as Joe Christmas.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise, I concur. Stick to reading Updike.Black Seahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16347464061061628147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4274803304021238682008-09-02T23:07:00.000-07:002008-09-02T23:07:00.000-07:00"Tripp" sounds like he'd fit right in with the Pal..."Tripp" sounds like he'd fit right in with the Palin boys. Track, Trig and Tripp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83107945045725382152008-09-02T22:51:00.000-07:002008-09-02T22:51:00.000-07:00Remember how you made fun of/criticized Michelle O...<I>Remember how you made fun of/criticized Michelle Obama for her stupid thesis, Obama's mother for getting pregnant by a Kenyan who was married with a family, Obama for consorting with the Revered Wright...Why don't you make fun of or criticize Palin and her family for their low class ways?</I><BR/><BR/>The story of Obama and his parents is one long stupid, insterspersed with bouts of egotism and anti-Americanism. The story of the Palin family is one of generally responsible behavior punctuated by the occasional mistake. There's a difference there, and anyone with any sense can see it.<BR/><BR/>I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks, though I don't think I'll need to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1580416171613623412008-09-02T22:26:00.000-07:002008-09-02T22:26:00.000-07:00And on we continue with the PROM NIGHT KNOCKUP. (G...And on we continue with the <B>PROM NIGHT KNOCKUP.</B> (Given the date of conception it's a reasonable guess).<BR/><BR/><I>Ironically someone like Palin can probably appeal to the lower class black and hispanic vote, because when you get down to it her values aren't much different from theirs.</I><BR/><BR/>WTF? If that were the case her family photo would include no father and 5 children who look nothing alike. Oh, and we'd be talking about 14-year-old Willow's pregnancy, not Bristol's.<BR/><BR/><I>By this standard, is Jamie Lynn Spears (a red state native although she probably lives in California currently) admirably fertile?</I><BR/><BR/>The Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy just validated what we already knew of the Spears family - the basic disfunctionality and craziness. The Bristol Palin pregnancy also validates what we know so far of the Palin family - that they're basically smart, decent people who handle crises in the traditional, conservative fashion.<BR/><BR/>Please don't suggest that children from "proper families" just don't get pregnant. There's a reason aristocratic women are big on Planned Parenthood, and it isn't just because they're all eugenicists.<BR/><BR/><I>I keep hearing that Bristol Palin is going to marry the father, has anyone asked the boy?</I><BR/><BR/>Of course none of us know the guy, but I think encouraging Bristol to marry the father is the one possibly politically calculated act in the whole story. Perhaps Levi Johnston is a crazy teenager about to bud into a responsible young adult - happens all the time. Perhaps they're gunna delay the marriage until after the election then silently push him out of the picture. Or perhaps they're gunna put Bristol on the patch until she sees if the marriage can work.<BR/><BR/><I>but the fact remains that she is presently not qualified to be President if McCain drops dead. She is a piece of marketing brilliance on his part, though.</I><BR/><BR/>And who is? Honestly, what person, on the ticket or off it, who could win in November, has the sense to run this country?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25775217373754642622008-09-02T21:18:00.000-07:002008-09-02T21:18:00.000-07:00I love comments like "Say what you want about Pali...I love comments like "Say what you want about Palin, but she's clearly just not very bright." I don't know if she is bright or not, but it's silly to assume that just because she attended the University of Idaho instead of a top 20 University that she's not that intelligent. No elite universities are looking to scoff up talented, rural working class whites like they are scouring the country for mediocrities with a little more melanin in their skin like Michelle Obama. I highly doubt that rural whites from the Northwest and Alaska have gone through the "Bell Curvian" IQ sorting process to anywhere near the extent that the more urban parts of the country have. Even in my state of PA, if one compares the non-affirmative action admittee students in the honors program at Penn State University to the University of Pennsylvania, there is not much of a difference in SAT scores (and hence g). The backgrounds of the kids are very different, however. In addition to a horde of Asians, the whites at UPenn who are not there to staff the sports teams (which constitute a disgracefully large portion of the student body) are mostly Jews and old-line Protestant WASPs (Episcopalians, Presbyterians, etc. - not Evangelicals, Catholics, methodists and other low church protestants). In all these groups, prestige is very important and families are willing to sacrifice $50k a year for their (usually small number) of offspring. By contrast, the white kids in the Penn State Honors program are more likely to come from the rural German and other evangelical or low church protestant families, C. and E. European Catholics from coal-cracking towns, and Irish and Italian Catholics from the State's more urban areas. In all these groups, the burning need to blow $50k a year on an Ivy league education is not so common and an offer of full room, board and tuition at the state honors program is more appealing than being a debt-saddled UPenn grad.<BR/>-Philly GuyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21105959499544205442008-09-02T21:12:00.000-07:002008-09-02T21:12:00.000-07:00White fertility is SO gauche.White fertility is SO gauche.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com