tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7558213043937012676..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT: Black people don't talk enoughUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger131125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-785656640088007012013-05-06T22:38:00.366-07:002013-05-06T22:38:00.366-07:00"Meanwhile, Steve "Freakonomics" Le..."Meanwhile, Steve "Freakonomics" Levitt and Roland Fryer of Harvard have finally, after a half dozen years, found a journal to publish their old study showing that black babies have higher IQs than Asian babies at eight months to twelve months."<br /><br />Well, since 5-month old pigs and dogs are smarter than 5-month old humans, that study doesn't prove much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6218482379449163952013-04-15T11:09:35.498-07:002013-04-15T11:09:35.498-07:00I was given books to read as a child but only look...I was given books to read as a child but only looked at the pictures. My parents said it's like picking just the cherries from the fruit cocktail.<br />Bad habit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69851710796102875922013-04-13T21:45:33.554-07:002013-04-13T21:45:33.554-07:00If we look at studies of identical twins reared ap...<i>If we look at studies of identical twins reared apart in relation to IQ, the mean is 6.6 IQ points, with SD of 5.2. The largest difference was 24 points in the 122 pairs of twins studied. If the difference in environment was not due to brain trauma, that's pretty significant and possibly indicative of the possibilities of an attentive upbringing.</i><br /><br />You have told us nothing. How many IQ tests did these twins take? In other words, how much sampling error could we expect in these secret studies that you cannot reveal to us?ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58370684424450771132013-04-13T15:10:50.954-07:002013-04-13T15:10:50.954-07:00"There are some intellectually honest people ..."There are some intellectually honest people out there with politically correct viewpoints, who have never been challenged by someone who was as smart as they are."<br /><br />I agree. Becoming highly educated exposes you to more than your share of liberal brainwashing. Only the intellectually honest will even bother to seek out another viewpoint. After all, what's in it for you? Seek out, embrace and spread the truth so you can become unemployable and a social outcast? Nah. As long as liberals don't call out each other's hypocrisy, you're safe. There's no incentive, unless your hypocrisy actually bothers you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43882073781418970042013-04-13T14:16:19.090-07:002013-04-13T14:16:19.090-07:00Steve!
The Daily Telegraph has picked up on this ...Steve!<br /><br />The Daily Telegraph has picked up on this story:<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakewallissimons/100211788/working-class-babies-need-talking-to/" rel="nofollow">Working class babies need talking to</a><br /><br />The writer (Scots-Irish) Jake Wallis Simons as taken the bait and is approaching it from the point of view of class.I dont think race gets a look-in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58282426783228926722013-04-13T04:46:20.301-07:002013-04-13T04:46:20.301-07:00"Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note t..."Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the reaction to his comments: he did not convince anyone who did not already agree with him. It's always that way with ideologues. And in any discussion of race, IQ, etc, one encounters a great many ideologues."<br /><br />There are some intellectually honest people out there with politically correct viewpoints, who have never been challenged by someone who was as smart as they are. Cognitive dissonance takes some time to work itself out. The seeds that Steve planted may take months or years to germinate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51860179162626495132013-04-13T04:42:33.167-07:002013-04-13T04:42:33.167-07:00"My parents taught me how to read when I was ..."My parents taught me how to read when I was 4 or 5. But, I didn't want to read, so after reading a couple of books, I stopped reading until my first week in first grade when I was 5 years and 9 months."<br /><br />Ahah! The truth comes out - Mrs Sailer was a nascent tiger mother, or maybe Mr Sailer was something of the eagle dad. Perhaps the early neural connections laid down had some impact.<br /><br />If we look at studies of identical twins reared apart in relation to IQ, the mean is 6.6 IQ points, with SD of 5.2. The largest difference was 24 points in the 122 pairs of twins studied. If the difference in environment was not due to brain trauma, that's pretty significant and possibly indicative of the possibilities of an attentive upbringing.<br /><br />It's also worth considering that it ought to be a lot more effective to teach a child with genius potential at his own pace than it is to try to make silk purses out of genetic sow's ears. No matter what you do, moss only grows so high - but one can grow a Sequoia as a bonsai project or in its ideal habitat. So you should see greater benefits to tiger mother type parenting of already gifted children than with typical head start programs where crack babies are the beneficiaries.<br /><br />One should remember that this was a sample with fairly representative IQ and SD, so most of the kids are going to be average, and also the styles of parenting are going to be fairly average, one would expect. This may understate the utility of good parental involvement with already gifted children.<br /><br />And I use the term "tiger mother" without intending the negative connotation that the word has. For a lot of very smart children, school seems more like a prison or child minding service than an educational institution, because you cannot learn at your own pace. Efforts to help kids like that learn at their own advanced pace when they are younger are a good thing IMO, and society benefits from the discoveries of geniuses.<br /><br />Analysis by Arthur Jensen, btw.<br /><br />http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01071829Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70701994801764145382013-04-13T01:56:31.140-07:002013-04-13T01:56:31.140-07:00Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the rea...Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the reaction to his comments: he did not convince anyone who did not already agree with him. It's always that way with ideologues. And in any discussion of race, IQ, etc, one encounters a great many ideologues.<br /><br /><i>Mr Sailer wastes his time on such efforts, which naturally play to a limited audience. Even if it is a fun diversion."<br /><br />I think you're very wrong. You've no idea how many people read the blog and don't comment at all, just read, think about the comments, and then maybe even visit an HBD site.</i><br /><br />Absolutely. Silence doesn't register on the internet.Dennis Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233729780363740881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89824897712248021832013-04-12T22:05:00.655-07:002013-04-12T22:05:00.655-07:00My parents taught me how to read when I was 4 or 5...My parents taught me how to read when I was 4 or 5. But, I didn't want to read, so after reading a couple of books, I stopped reading until my first week in first grade when I was 5 years and 9 months.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24046669352185901312013-04-12T20:46:14.881-07:002013-04-12T20:46:14.881-07:00Ya know, if it's been established that talking...Ya know, if it's been established that talking more would help black black children close the gap, why wouldn't spending more time on social media (i.e., tweeting more often) help close the gap even more!?!<br /><br />Think about it this way, if we now know that having black mothers talk more to their young children would help those children keep pace with -- and perhaps outpace -- white students, then wouldn't it follow that encouraging black kids to spend more time on facebook and twitter would help them to be better at reading and writing!?<br /><br />What better way to teach critical reasoning, argumentation, and communicative skills than by challenging underprivileged children to express themselves in 140 or fewer characters!<br /><br />To encourage the creative process, underprivileged children might even be encouraged to engage in conversations centered around trending topics and #HASHTAGs. <br /><br />What's more, as an advanced exercise in fostering the creative process, especially talented underprivileged children might even be encouraged to devise their own culturally relevant #HASHTAGs.<br /><br />Potential examples:<br /><br />#SomewhereInDaHood, #HoodHoez, #GhettoBabyNamez, #BigPimpinUpInDaClub, #ImaHollaAchuShawty, #WhiteGurlzWitBigBootyz, #AintTrynaPayNoChildSupportToNoBabyMammaz, #KimKardashian, etc.Drunk Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57131724566048910182013-04-12T20:15:46.840-07:002013-04-12T20:15:46.840-07:00In response to:
"Whites spend so much time r...In response to:<br /><br /><i>"Whites spend so much time researching ways to help blacks it's a wonder they have time to oppress them</i>."<br /><br />jody said...<br /><br />"<i>pretty much my take on it as well.<br /><br />spend thousands of man hours and billions of dollars specifically to help them as much as possible, get called racist for your troubles.<br /><br />helping africans is not just a waste of time, it's not just a zero return on investment activity, it's actually a negative return on investment activity. not only are the thankless in general, they're openly hostile.</i>"<br /><br />jody,<br /><br />From what I've seen, your comments are always perceptive and well thought out. So you should know by now that those efforts by whites aren't really about helping blacks as much as they are about establishing social proof to other whites. <br /><br />Since white people of lower social standing are said to be born and raised to be racist, white people who intend to exist in polite society have to signal that they're "on the side of the angels" (i.e., that they're "anti-racist" and upper middle class) to differentiate themselves from all the other low class, racist, rightwinger white people.<br /><br />Plus, it allows the right kind of white people to feel good about themselves, and to feel superior to the wrong kind of white people. <br /><br />Whether these things actually help black people or hurt them, and whether or not black people appreciate these perpetual efforts by polite society whites to ostensibly help them is neither here nor there (obviously, though, they don't).<br /><br />This stuff is just Status Whoring 101.<br /> <br />Drunk Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4251560755306647752013-04-12T19:39:47.464-07:002013-04-12T19:39:47.464-07:00"There is a well-known slightly past-his-prim..."There is a well-known slightly past-his-prime European golfer who is a lifelong bachelor who lives in a compound with his parents."<br /><br />Jose Maria Olazabal? Yeah, Steve, but I thought the same about Seve Ballesteros as, like many Spaniards, he too lived at his parents house for a long while before he finally "settled down."<br /><br />I have to look up Ollie's age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-653268554693563752013-04-12T19:36:08.831-07:002013-04-12T19:36:08.831-07:00Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the rea...Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the reaction to his comments: he did not convince anyone who did not already agree with him. It's always that way with ideologues. And in any discussion of race, IQ, etc, one encounters a great many ideologues.<br /><br />Mr Sailer wastes his time on such efforts, which naturally play to a limited audience. Even if it is a fun diversion."<br /><br />I think you're very wrong. You've no idea how many people read the blog and don't comment at all, just read, think about the comments, and then maybe even visit an HBD site.<br /><br />It happened to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88379836082617536752013-04-12T19:32:20.137-07:002013-04-12T19:32:20.137-07:00There is a well-known slightly past-his-prime Euro...There is a well-known slightly past-his-prime European golfer who is a lifelong bachelor who lives in a compound with his parents.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5517966691142410912013-04-12T19:28:40.647-07:002013-04-12T19:28:40.647-07:00Besides, early childhood reading actually correlat...<i>Besides, early childhood reading actually correlates fairly well with myopia, as I understand it.</i><br />...<br /><br /><i>Well that would make sense because IQ is correlated with myopia.</i> ...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/06/01/myopia.causes/index.html" rel="nofollow">While the belief that prolonged close-up activities like reading and playing computer games cause short sightedness (myopia) is popularly held, new research indicates that a deficiency of sunlight is the true culprit.</a><br /><br /><i><br />New research an eye opener on cause of myopia<br />By Greg Hughes and Pauline Chiou, CNN<br />June 1, 2011 5:01 a.m. EDT<br /><br />(CNN) -- While the belief that prolonged close-up activities like reading and playing computer games cause short sightedness (myopia) is popularly held, new research indicates that a deficiency of sunlight is the true culprit.<br />Kathryn Rose, a leading international researcher of visual disorders at the University of Sydney's Faculty of Health Sciences, talks to CNN about her study.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Rose: This finding has now been confirmed in a number of other studies from the U.S., Singapore and China. Our hypothesis that the mechanism of the effect of light was mediated by retinal dopamine, a known inhibitor of eye growth whose release is stimulated by light, has also been supported by animal experiments. All of these studies confirm a consistent link between the time spent outdoors and the prevention of myopia, possibly crucially mediated by the at least ten-fold increase in light levels between indoor lighting and being outside. So yes, it is highly likely that there is a direct connection between time spent outside and preventing myopia.<br /><br />One of the observations from the studies conducted so far is that the effect of light on the prevention of the development of myopia may have a threshold effect, that is both the level of light required and the duration of light exposure may need to reach critical amounts before light has its preventive effect.<br /><br />In the latter case, the epidemiological studies that have examined children's exposure to outdoors have consistently found a preventative effect for between 10-14 hours outside per week in addition to any hours spent outside during school time, while 3-6 hours per week has not been associated with any effect.<br /><br />...</i>David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74197511244500202442013-04-12T17:39:11.504-07:002013-04-12T17:39:11.504-07:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtV3Te99L9c
About...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtV3Te99L9c<br /><br />About 37:30. "There are no gay golfers. Steve Sailer's researched it..."<br /><br />Though I'm not sure whether KT McFarland's eye roll was directed at the comment or the Sailer reference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75657137870133735522013-04-12T17:15:34.161-07:002013-04-12T17:15:34.161-07:00http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/busting-out-all-over-bl...http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/busting-out-all-over-black-mob-violence/<br /><br />Black kids sure WALK too much.<br /><br />Bling is busting out all over. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7349596886453084932013-04-12T16:44:40.297-07:002013-04-12T16:44:40.297-07:00"In a comment that wasn't deleted, I also..."In a comment that wasn't deleted, I also pointed out lefty Matter-Antimatter Example #194119203:"<br /><br />I love you Svigor. Don't you ever stop commenting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68778542704433842452013-04-12T16:25:49.946-07:002013-04-12T16:25:49.946-07:00If nothing else, by dissenting we give them indige...If nothing else, by dissenting we give them indigestion and burn their bridges behind them; they won't be able to plausibly deny knowing about the alternative explanations. Remember 9/11? "No one could have possibly known..." Bullshit. They know, because we told them right to their faces, and they screamed "rrrraaaaacism!"Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48294967162857529482013-04-12T16:22:45.688-07:002013-04-12T16:22:45.688-07:00"What in the world are you talking about? How..."What in the world are you talking about? How do you figure that Steve's inability to read in kindergarten says anything about his parents? That's NORMAL, even for extremely smart people."<br /><br />Maybe for his generation, I suppose so. It seems there are a lot of comments here that talk about learning to read at age 3 or so in a vacuum. I'm a little skeptical, and think that they likely aren't acknowledging or remembering the role their parents had. It's possible they could be smarter than Steve, or smarter at an earlier age. I don't know.<br /><br />I know that my parents (or at least one of them, my mother) read to me, taught me the alphabet, and that I could read some very simple words before I got to kindergarten. Even the books left around the house is something that parents contribute and is often overlooked by people who have never raised children themselves. It takes effort to make sure that there are interesting, high quality educational resources around the house, at appropriate difficulty levels.<br /><br />Knowing absolutely nothing about reading by kindergarten age I would think is less the norm for extremely smart people. A cousin's son apparently taught himself to read as they were reading to him, as well, so I guess there is another data point. In my experience, a lot of the top 5% kids have tiger mommish parents, to some extent.<br /><br />In white families I think a lot of effort is expended earlier as opposed to later, e.g. with cram schools for Asians. And there is more of a creative focus than a rote focus. Jews/whites tend to want to produce creative brilliance as opposed to a honed automaton. Asians will drill make a child drill piano or violin for hours in the hopes they will become a concert pianist. A white or Jewish parent will often teach their kids in the hope that they compose music of their own.<br /><br />Anyway, I would say that not doing much other than reading at night, if anything, is the norm for average white folks. In my experience this is much less the norm for extremely smart people. But then, my generation is two decades on from Sailer's, so maybe things are a bit different now. One should also remember that Steve was adopted, so if the nurture matches the nature it's by accident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11909014434022143412013-04-12T16:06:44.097-07:002013-04-12T16:06:44.097-07:00Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the rea...<i>Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the reaction to his comments: he did not convince anyone who did not already agree with him. It's always that way with ideologues. And in any discussion of race, IQ, etc, one encounters a great many ideologues.<br /><br />Mr Sailer wastes his time on such efforts, which naturally play to a limited audience. Even if it is a fun diversion.</i><br /><br />It's kinda stupid to set the bar of useful effort at "forced a confession from the fanatics and natural-born liars."<br /><br />Joe didn't comment at all, but an idea has been planted in his head.<br />Bob didn't have much to say, but he noticed that someone definitely got his ass kicked.<br />Sue didn't think about it much, but a week from now she's going to get curious and start G**gling...<br /><br />The percentage of the population that admits when they've been whupped in an argument is roughly zero. Many ideas (especially taboo ones) are like time bombs, and don't go off in the recipient's mind until long after they're placed.<br /><br />I just read about race-realism for months before I made a single comment anywhere.<br /><br />One thing's for sure, it beats the hell out of silence.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87137171737670789382013-04-12T15:51:13.910-07:002013-04-12T15:51:13.910-07:00Hey, I just remembered T-Dog's schtick: "...Hey, I just remembered T-Dog's schtick: "crime in America ain't that bad, whatchu worried about?"<br /><br />I wonder if he emailed that one to miz Armanpour. It's odd that he hasn't sounded off in the gun control threads with "hey, crime in America ain't that bad, gun control is stupid," innit?Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78811220076752559512013-04-12T15:34:17.636-07:002013-04-12T15:34:17.636-07:00O no she di-int!O no she di-int!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54599774577198988472013-04-12T15:02:36.760-07:002013-04-12T15:02:36.760-07:00"Good to see there are other Red Eye watchers..."Good to see there are other Red Eye watchers here."<br /><br />And I'm female as well as an HBDer just in case that's a "good to see" as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7023276034623078872013-04-12T14:26:37.947-07:002013-04-12T14:26:37.947-07:00Mr. Sailer, your participation in that Marginal Re...<i>Mr. Sailer, your participation in that Marginal Revolution thread is a model for the ages on how it should be done.</i><br /><br />Maybe so. Maybe it was exemplary. But note the reaction to his comments: he did not convince anyone who did not already agree with him. It's always that way with ideologues. And in any discussion of race, IQ, etc, one encounters a great many ideologues.<br /><br />Mr Sailer wastes his time on such efforts, which naturally play to a limited audience. Even if it is a fun diversion.eahnoreply@blogger.com