tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7651452672168193812..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Disparate Impact in Business v. AcademiaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8748107958220207322009-07-22T18:38:58.284-07:002009-07-22T18:38:58.284-07:00Meanwhile, today's latest news on disparate im...Meanwhile, today's latest news on disparate impact and firefighters: <br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090722/ap_on_re_us/us_fdny_discrimination_suit" rel="nofollow">FDNY's exam is racist</a><br /><br /><i>The judge said black and Hispanic applicants had disproportionately failed the written examinations and those who passed were placed disproportionately lower down the hiring lists than whites.</i><br /><br />On a whole, it appears that every single written exam in the world causes racial discrimination. <br />Why can't FDNY countersue and establish in court that its test is relevant to firefighter's job? If I understand correctly, this would negate application of disparate impact law.Nanonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71300910073046070692009-07-21T08:23:08.261-07:002009-07-21T08:23:08.261-07:00"Obviously, China, Korea, Japan, etc. don'..."Obviously, China, Korea, Japan, etc. don't hobble their best businesses that way."<br /><br />Their societies are more homogeneous than America's society is. Brazil, of all places, has racial quotas as well as America has. The racial spoils system, and its inefficiencies, is one reason why very heterogeneous societies decline. See Roman Empire, Late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42133992502816206952009-07-18T09:59:18.593-07:002009-07-18T09:59:18.593-07:00Sockstand: Long generations are a great thing: the...<b>Sockstand:</b> <i>Long generations are a great thing: they make history live long after everyone else has forgotten.</i> <br /><br />That's an interesting idea.Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69605612488216444232009-07-17T23:39:04.932-07:002009-07-17T23:39:04.932-07:00So business can't use objective tests to deter...So business can't use objective tests to determine who to hire or promote. Great. That means they will judge by appearance and "good looks" instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56109023117682146952009-07-17T20:26:19.358-07:002009-07-17T20:26:19.358-07:00My mother was 41 when she had me, my father was 54...My mother was 41 when she had me, my father was 54. His mother was 22 when she birhted him but his father was 60. I grew up hearing tales of chemical plant and mining work that were only secondhand, which went back to the nineteenth cntury. My father had an uncle who had worked as a machinist on the dynamite guns on the Great White Fleet. His brother, my uncle had been an airship sailor before WWII and served in submarines at the end of his career. In fact, when Apollo was current, I was a young teen and I remember the old guy being disappointed Ike had created NASA-he felt that each service should have had their own program, especially the Navy, since airships and submarines were the closest thing to space travel, not jet airplanes. <br /><br /> Long generations are a great thing: they make history live long after everyone else has forgotten.Sockstandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54829237069165206902009-07-17T08:48:05.216-07:002009-07-17T08:48:05.216-07:00The Civil Rights Act as amended in 1992 allows lit...The Civil Rights Act as amended in 1992 allows litigants to group together in large class action suits, pay lawyers only on contingency, have jury trials, and win huge awards including penalties. Witness the $200 million judgement against Texaco. Before 1992, a single litigant had to pay a lawyer out of his pocket, face only a federal judge, and receive only actual damages. Now companies are held hostage by law firms that can force discovery of de facto racial discrimination by showing a statistical difference in pay between different races. Consequently, Pay for Performance is Dead. Witness the $21.4 million judgement against Kodak. This despite the Education Department report released Tuesday July 14th that stated that despite unprecedented efforts to improve minority achievement, the performance gap between white and black students remains. So Pay for Performance must die. If companies do not want to face this liability, the only options are to placate underperformers or send manufacturing to other countries, such as China. Oh, they're already doing that?Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818963356816390607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48854074656043912042009-07-16T19:42:19.932-07:002009-07-16T19:42:19.932-07:00absurd laws over common-sense business decisions. ...<i> absurd laws over common-sense business decisions.</i> <br /> <br /> <br /><br />It's worse than that. Americas businesses are completely on board with the whole absurd racial spoils system. This is one of those frequent instances where the "elite" are all on the same page.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8466094257333960182009-07-16T19:28:03.507-07:002009-07-16T19:28:03.507-07:00This same dynamc plays out a lot on the left, wher...<i>This same dynamc plays out a lot on the left, where many people dislike a lot of the Democrats agenda. But they still support it to the hilt.</i><br /><br />Yeah, kind of like conservatives who continue to vote for the Republican party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79911518223961310442009-07-16T18:19:10.007-07:002009-07-16T18:19:10.007-07:00In turn, widescale social and economic mobility th...<i>In turn, widescale social and economic mobility through hard work and ability is hindered because one must have money or the right skin color to attain the right credentials.</i><br /><br />As you're suggesting, the cost of tuition has a disparate impact that negatively affects whites, as well as blacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85615788380532002262009-07-16T16:21:02.275-07:002009-07-16T16:21:02.275-07:00on DailyKos a solid majority of the commenters app...<i>on DailyKos a solid majority of the commenters approved of the Ricci decision.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br />And these same Daily Kos commenters want Sotomayer to get approved, at which point she will be a vote to overturn <i>Ricci</i>.<br /><br />Nobody ever said the Kossacks were rational. This same dynamc plays out a lot on the left, where many people dislike a lot of the Democrats agenda. But they still support it to the hilt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44506754929286234262009-07-16T16:15:38.299-07:002009-07-16T16:15:38.299-07:00Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't "...Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't "disparate impact" only become law in 1992 with an amendment to the Civil Rights Act signed off on by GHWB?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8178379474747421262009-07-16T16:09:27.113-07:002009-07-16T16:09:27.113-07:00How do computer software companies get around this...How do computer software companies get around this? Or do Indians and Chinese count as "minorities" for the purpose of "disparate impact"?<br /><br />I bet somebody here knows the answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89172006076742528052009-07-16T15:20:22.288-07:002009-07-16T15:20:22.288-07:00Steve, your experience confirms one reason why Ame...Steve, your experience confirms one reason why America's economy keeps crashing: absurd laws over common-sense business decisions. Obviously, China, Korea, Japan, etc. don't hobble their best businesses that way.John Seilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795977089953532965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41187544714596103072009-07-16T14:31:52.848-07:002009-07-16T14:31:52.848-07:00"Since the French can test all they want, the..."Since the French can test all they want, the importance of a college pedigree should be weaker."<br /><br />Admission to the Grandes Ecoles is by exam. So the college pedigree is more or less the same as the test score.<br /><br />Note that college grades DO supply additional information about the individual beyond just exams -- they give an indication of Conscientiousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79951100472745509642009-07-16T14:12:05.207-07:002009-07-16T14:12:05.207-07:00Look on the bright side. Formerly if you had a tes...Look on the bright side. Formerly if you had a test that you wished to validate as being 'g' loaded you would have to do a lot of tedious correlations against accepted published tests. Today its much easier. If blacks score low, you know your test measures intelligence.<br /><br />I expect to soon see Disparate Impact being cited in journal articles as proof of 'g' loading.albertosaurushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209465319904999278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40558404441001396082009-07-16T13:57:51.507-07:002009-07-16T13:57:51.507-07:00Big Bill is quite right. Disparate impact is comi...Big Bill is quite right. Disparate impact is coming to universities quite soon, for patronage/politics reasons.testing99noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71708574469465435882009-07-16T12:06:06.766-07:002009-07-16T12:06:06.766-07:00It is doubly perverse to give deference to univers...It is doubly perverse to give deference to universities, which face no compelling test of performance and seem to always expand and never fail, over businesses, which face a constant market test of performance, frequently shrink and often wipe out investors completely, even when they are trying to do everything smart. <br /><br />Do lawyers think that business execs sit around all day, twiddling their thumbs, grinning fiendishly and asking each other, "what idiotic, pointless test can we pay a lot of money for so that we can inflict pain and humiliation on job candidates and make ourselves vulnerable to discrimination litigation?"<br /><br />Yes, many American lawyers probably do think that.Henry Canadaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78887750705799870412009-07-16T11:53:51.386-07:002009-07-16T11:53:51.386-07:00Does anyone know how the State Department is still...Does anyone know how the State Department is still able to get away with requiring their Foreign Service Exam without offending EEOC?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47120275591077261962009-07-16T10:58:30.107-07:002009-07-16T10:58:30.107-07:00It is a pretty absurd situation. And I guess that...It is a pretty absurd situation. And I guess that means that Uncle Sam will find a Disparate Impact if you use a test created and validated by Uncle Sam? <br /><br />A pity, otherwise it'd certainly be convenient (and relevant to both white and blue collar jobs) to simply require job applicants take the ASVAB.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Vocational_Aptitude_Batterybeowulfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69148676251845553792009-07-16T10:43:06.161-07:002009-07-16T10:43:06.161-07:00Actually Steve, they were saying that about market...Actually Steve, they were saying that about market researchers up until about 1982...rastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32557501159672914502009-07-16T10:22:32.914-07:002009-07-16T10:22:32.914-07:00The silliness about tests and 'disparate impac...The silliness about tests and 'disparate impact':<br /><br />If today, 5 of 10 blacks correctly answer: What is 7 X 8? That question is illegitimate.<br /><br />If tomorrow, 8 of 10 blacks correctly answer: What is 7 X 8? The question magicly transforms from illegitimate to legitimate.<br /><br />Therefore tests and 'disparate impact' combine to form a soft quota system just as intended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56842220476152954142009-07-16T10:02:41.216-07:002009-07-16T10:02:41.216-07:00Of course, I still find it interesting that people...Of course, I still find it interesting that people continue to post comments like this "<br />And it’s going to be increasingly hard to get whites to see minorities as ‘the other’ when the people you went to school with and with whom you’re working on a daily basis are increasingly of a variety of racial and ethnic backgrounds." but on DailyKos a solid majority of the commenters approved of the Ricci decision. They don't have to say anything against blacks or Hispanics, they can just win support on immigration and affirmative action type issues which are ignored by the elite. It's funny how this stuff gets picked up by the mainstream many years later.The Last Man in Europenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8741127491666788282009-07-16T09:57:46.298-07:002009-07-16T09:57:46.298-07:00And apparently, even a liberal thinks the Sailer s...And apparently, even a liberal thinks the Sailer strategy <a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/07/buchanan-gop-needs-more-race-baiting-not-less.php" rel="nofollow">could work</a>The Last Man in Europenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10241647295260047702009-07-16T09:57:13.548-07:002009-07-16T09:57:13.548-07:00They don't notice disparate impact in tests be...They don't notice disparate impact in tests because then the students would complain when they realized what was going on. Of course, when you have any sort of tracking program, all the administrators and politicians jump on it when any disparate impact shows up.The Last Man in Europenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23637646866746555132009-07-16T09:49:59.848-07:002009-07-16T09:49:59.848-07:00Why is it that when it comes to failing job tests,...Why is it that when it comes to failing job tests, only blacks and hispanics are getting "discriminated" against? As shocking as it may sound, there are many whites who fail these exams on a regular basis as well. What's up with that?<br /><br />Are these white flunkies just super-dumb for failing exams that are extremely "biased" in favor of whites? Or maybe the secret whites-only "cheat code" got lost in the mail or email?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com