tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7693988021869639406..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Grantland: How not to talk about Brazilian soccer beheadingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37742618370620388032013-11-24T16:22:16.963-08:002013-11-24T16:22:16.963-08:00There isn't a lot of people who are 80% black/...<i>There isn't a lot of people who are 80% black/20% white, like African-Americans.</i><br /><br />The precise percentage mixture is of secondary importance. The number of people black enough to be regarded as black by any reasonable observer is easily double the 7% of people who report themselves as Pretos. In the movie City of Men (Cidade dos Homens), which I'm assuming you've seen, when Acerola's friend is looking for him in the new favela he moved to he describes his appearance as "um negao." (<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xm5ydyVvtGM/TgyLpwV6XmI/AAAAAAAAMBI/3mnK_CGom9w/s1600/cidade-dos-homens-666448l.jpg" rel="nofollow">Here</a>. Guy on the right physically describes the guy on the left as an n-word in the film.) Well, to my eyes, pretty much everyone in that scene was black-enough-to-be-black, so if people like this don't report themselves as black I feel justified in claiming that the 'true' black percentage of Brazil is much higher than what is reported.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87763007788289993142013-11-24T06:37:28.487-08:002013-11-24T06:37:28.487-08:00A further complication is the arbitrary dividing l...<i>A further complication is the arbitrary dividing line between black and brown/mixed. Official statistics rely on census self-reporting and there is a tendency for people with predominantly african ancestry to report Pardo (brown/mixed) if they think their self-categorization is credible. A consequence of this tendency is that large numbers of self-reported Pardos differ little for all practical purposes from self-reported Pretos (blacks). Therefore there exists a possibility - based on our knowledge of black proclivity for violence - that this near-Preto subset of Pardos is making a disproportionate contribution to the overall Pardo offending rate. That is, if these near-Preto Pardos were classified as actual Pretos the Pardo rate may be somewhat lower. </i><br /><br />That's another huge problem.<br /><br />Brazil has a distinct black population. Many of them can pass for full-blooded Black Africans.<br /><br />There is little to no mixture going on between the pardos and the blacks. It's not some African-American festival.<br /><br />Yes, they can sometimes live near each other, but pardos are more likely to try to "whiten" their offspring with white people than "blacken" it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57988525604507112982013-11-24T06:33:49.615-08:002013-11-24T06:33:49.615-08:00A further complication is the arbitrary dividing l...<i>A further complication is the arbitrary dividing line between black and brown/mixed.</i><br /><br />It's not arbitrary at all. It's Brazil, NOT the USA.<br /><br />There isn't a lot of people who are 80% black/20% white, like African-Americans.<br /><br />Usually half-black people tend to practice miscegenation with white people more in Brazil.<br /><br />It's usually 80% white/20% black, because darkness is such a low social status indicator that mixed people who are 50% white/50% black tend to mix with white people in order to bring out the "whiteness" more.<br /><br />So that their future generations have a better future than they ever had.<br /><br />It's called the "lightening process", or the process of whitening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60742528417765667012013-11-24T01:06:29.754-08:002013-11-24T01:06:29.754-08:00http://youtu.be/zv_3lyTv9Zchttp://youtu.be/zv_3lyTv9ZcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39203723421979784632013-11-23T23:48:38.725-08:002013-11-23T23:48:38.725-08:00Oops, no, census self-reporting wouldn't affec...Oops, no, census self-reporting wouldn't affect the classification of the victim, which is determined (you'd think) by relevant authorities on the spot. The social tendency towards reporting Pardo could still affect the victim's classification, though, with the person assigned the task of making the determination biasing it (unconsciously or not) towards Pardo. On the other hand, it's not certain that such biases would necessarily skew towards assigning Pardo. If the person making the classification is lighter than the victim does he assign Preto in order to boost his own status by cementing the victim's status beneath him, or does he assign Pardo in order to assuage doubts about his own classification (ie if <i>this</i> guy can pass for Pardo, then I definitely can)?Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53810598422922650302013-11-23T23:29:40.819-08:002013-11-23T23:29:40.819-08:00I think the blacks in Brazil, just 7% of the popul...<i>I think the blacks in Brazil, just 7% of the population, contributes to a lot of daily violent criminal activity in Brazil.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.mapadaviolencia.org.br/pdf2012/mapa2012_cor.pdf" rel="nofollow">This report</a> breaks down homicide victims into Branca, Preta and Parda (White, Black, Brown/Mixed) racial categories for the years 2002-2010. Victimization rates for Pretos and Pardos were virtually identical. <br /><br />In the US the homicide victimization rate can be used as a stand-in for the homicide offending rate because in over 80% of homicides the victim knew the offender and in the US blacks and whites do not socially mix much; that is, a black victim overwhelmingly points to a black offender. Social mixing is much more common in Brazil, however since people tend to make friends with people from the same neighborhood and blacks and browns tend to predominate in poorer neighborhoods victimization rates can still be a rough guide to offending rates. Since black and brown/mixed victimization rates are essentially the same is reasonable to expect black and brown/mixed offending rates to be fairly similar. <br /><br />A further complication is the arbitrary dividing line between black and brown/mixed. Official statistics rely on census self-reporting and there is a tendency for people with predominantly african ancestry to report Pardo (brown/mixed) if they think their self-categorization is credible. A consequence of this tendency is that large numbers of self-reported Pardos differ little for all practical purposes from self-reported Pretos (blacks). Therefore there exists a possibility - based on our knowledge of black proclivity for violence - that this near-Preto subset of Pardos is making a disproportionate contribution to the overall Pardo offending rate. That is, if these near-Preto Pardos were classified as actual Pretos the Pardo rate may be somewhat lower. <br /><br />On a different note, the report states that racial classifications for homicide victims only began to be recorded in 1996, but due to difficulties only data from 2002 onwards is reliable. From 2002 to 2010 the victimization rate of Brancos (whites) dropped from 20.6 (per 100k people) to 15.5, while the victimization rate for Preto and Pardo combined rose from 34.1 to 36. This is a vastly smaller difference than exists between whites and blacks in the US (or even hispanics and blacks). Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85432645091991482472013-11-23T20:35:51.252-08:002013-11-23T20:35:51.252-08:00What soccer fan is taking their family to Brazil f...What soccer fan is taking their family to Brazil for the World Cup anyway? I think the average fan is going to be more focused on the, er, nightlife, shall we say, and will overlook the occasional beheadings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13137531847254527132013-11-23T09:19:48.137-08:002013-11-23T09:19:48.137-08:00I don´t know about Brazil, but in Europe the stadi...I don´t know about Brazil, but in Europe the stadiums itself are usually the most dangerous places in town. Rome was considered a tough place in Italy in eighties. But only feeling of danger I ever experienced there during my three month stay was at Olimpic stadium watching finals of European Cup which AS Roma lost to FC Liverpool, being mistaken for an Englishman by local fans.Orlandonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67013149845234592512013-11-23T08:10:16.400-08:002013-11-23T08:10:16.400-08:00In the other hand when it was in South Africa, the...In the other hand when it was in South Africa, there was little coverage of its abysmal crime rate. SA has an evil white minority who used to run the place and an elderly saintly ex-terrorist who also used to so it gets a by.<br /><br />A somewhat different sort of "expert concern" is being raised by peely wally northern Europeans about Qatar. They have just noticed that it is warm their and don't believe that nouveau riche Qatar can run all the air conditioning they have promised.<br /><br />And then there are the Russian winter Olympics which we should stay away from because the Russians are corrupt, or likely to be attacked by terrorists, or a bit hevy handed with terrorists or communists or oligarks or something.<br /><br />These damn foreigners - if its not one thing its another. And yes that includes the USA where you are likely to be shot by black people or by white people worried about burglars or the FBI or the TSA or folk who think we talk like Piers Morgan.Neil craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68895323568172271612013-11-23T05:06:15.923-08:002013-11-23T05:06:15.923-08:00Bahia is in North Eastern Brazil and it's the ...Bahia is in North Eastern Brazil and it's the blackest state. Silver is accurate that its homicide rates have exploded.<br /><br />I think the blacks in Brazil, just 7% of the population, contributes to a lot of daily violent criminal activity in Brazil.<br /><br />Kind of like the USA has low crime rates among white, even lower for East Asians, but it explodes for Amerindians and Blacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75590206384662816452013-11-23T05:02:42.701-08:002013-11-23T05:02:42.701-08:00Brazil never had the "one-drop rule" and...Brazil never had the "one-drop rule" and the miscegenation is quite different from the USA.<br /><br />The first mixed people (half-white) were born out of white colonizers and black or Amerindian female slaves.<br /><br />Afterwards, came thousands of white Caucasoid immigrants from Italy, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Lebanon (Middle East), Syria (Middle East) and other zones.<br /><br />Some mixed people stayed and had children with other mixed people.<br /><br />Some of them mixed with the already white people and created quadroons/octoroons.<br /><br />Other white with white families and bloodlines didn't mix.<br /><br />A small sliver came from Japan and Taiwan (Chinese).<br /><br />What happens is that miscegenation created a quasi-Brazilian caste system define by looks, by hair texture, skin color, face/body features and the like.<br /><br />It's like, light is excellent, olive is great, yellow is right, light-middle brown is acceptable, and dark brown-coal black is bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59331706353259495932013-11-22T17:20:02.463-08:002013-11-22T17:20:02.463-08:00The homicide rate in Brazil is largely unchanged o...The homicide rate in Brazil is largely unchanged over the last 20 years, but there have been some very interesting changes in the regional patterns of homicide in Brazil in recent years.<br /><br />Over the last decade parts of the country that had comparatively low rates of homicide have seen homicide rates exploding. For example, the state of Bahia - often referred to as Brazil's blackest state, though it is not too different from other nearby states - had homicide rates under 10 (per 100k population) for much of the 1990s, has seen its homicide rate rise to almost 40 for the past few years. <br /><br />On the other hand, cities with notorious reputations for crime - including Brazil's two biggest cities - have seen their homicide rates plummet over the last ten years. Rio de Janeiro fell from 62.8 in 2002 to 23.1 in 2011, while Sao Paulo's drop was even more spectacular, from 63.5 in 2001 to 11.9 in 2011. That's pretty hopeful.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46630603247783932672013-11-22T16:42:00.081-08:002013-11-22T16:42:00.081-08:00There's something about soccer that just evacu...There's something about soccer that just evacuates crania, mine included. Not only is the sport rarely analyzed, it is rare for anyone to <a href="http://ricochet.com/member-feed/Moneybol" rel="nofollow">think of analyzing it.</a> Thus I must disagree that in Brazil, everything is related to soccer, for Brazilians just don't think about it. It's something you do, not something you contemplate.<br /><br />Anyway, now having read Mr. Phillips's piece in full, I find it makes more sense than I at first thought. Yes, soccer and tourism are and will remain disconnected from those beheadings. Brazil is generally dangerous, but not specifically to me or you. Back in the '80's I read an article in Veja about the homicide rate in S. Paulo, which was huge, something like 6 a day I think, yet almost all these crimes were solved. Assuming (perhaps generously) that the cops really were catching the right people, I could guess most victims knew their killers and both victims and killers lived among lots of people who were full of information about them. The feeling which has informed my own numerous visits to Brazil has been that unless I'm playing cards with these people, and they're drinking, and I'm cheating, and they notice I'm cheating, I'm going to be just fine. As indeed I have been, and as probably will be most World Cup spectators.Johnhttp://www.machine-altaica.com/tales.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46362477089758402212013-11-22T16:26:38.932-08:002013-11-22T16:26:38.932-08:00Brazil was ruled by a white military dictatorship ...<i>Brazil was ruled by a white military dictatorship from 1964 to 1985. Nobody ever seems to bring that up.</i><br /><br />It wasn't explicitly white and never made any attempt to advantage whites above other races so your characterization is false. <br /><br />Brazil had a mulatto president as far back as 1910. As has been said a thousand times, as "racist" as Brazil might be, it was never as intensely anti-black as the USA, nor, as the pendulum has swung, is it today as intensely anti-white.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41420578926191326502013-11-22T16:01:27.419-08:002013-11-22T16:01:27.419-08:00Expect NOLA to slide off of those lists as large s...Expect NOLA to slide off of those lists as large sections of it black population moved to Houston and never moved back.<br /><br />As a result the city is going through a SWPL rejuvenation. Having visiting there, I'd have to say it's an awesome town which slightly fewer neighborhoods that merit staying away from.<br /><br />Ironically, the lower ninth was more of lower-middle class 'hood, as you may recall, the home of Fats Domino.dcthrowbacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22210977102505169222013-11-22T15:49:55.783-08:002013-11-22T15:49:55.783-08:00MC said..."I accidentally pulled off the high...MC said..."I accidentally pulled off the highway in East St. Louis, IL once. I will never make that mistake again."<br /><br />So did Clark Griswold. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRJnEbt89w8<br />Otis McWrongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82629509745077070392013-11-22T15:02:50.336-08:002013-11-22T15:02:50.336-08:00According to Wikipedia, over the 24-year period, 1...According to Wikipedia, over the 24-year period, 1986 - 2010, the US government allowed 214,266 Brazilians to legally immigrate to the US.E. Rekshunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50170430787148046992013-11-22T14:52:18.759-08:002013-11-22T14:52:18.759-08:00Brazil still has a large, distinct black populatio...Brazil still has a large, distinct black population (as well as a mixed population, and distinct white and Japanese populations). Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22206007681297198192013-11-22T14:24:32.013-08:002013-11-22T14:24:32.013-08:00"But St. Louis wouldn't have made my top ..."But St. Louis wouldn't have made my top twenty."<br /><br />I accidentally pulled off the highway in East St. Louis, IL once. I will never make that mistake again.<br /><br /><br />Chevy chase secret isteve reader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71911808642011470372013-11-22T13:58:53.522-08:002013-11-22T13:58:53.522-08:00"But St. Louis wouldn't have made my top ..."But St. Louis wouldn't have made my top twenty."<br /><br />I accidentally pulled off the highway in East St. Louis, IL once. I will never make that mistake again.MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77930679062731858672013-11-22T13:35:12.132-08:002013-11-22T13:35:12.132-08:00the U.S. holds down four positions in the Top 50, ...<i>the U.S. holds down four positions in the Top 50, and if I gave you six or seven guesses, you'd probably get all four right: New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, and Baltimore.</i><br /><br />Nope. I'd have picked Detroit for sure, probably New Orleans. Make it ten guesses and I'd likely get around to Baltimore. But St. Louis wouldn't have made my top twenty.Rex Littlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49339156030901017952013-11-22T12:13:32.109-08:002013-11-22T12:13:32.109-08:00Yes, Grantland's statistical gurus like Barnwe...Yes, Grantland's statistical gurus like Barnwell are good, and so is Simmons on tv. Simmons' leftism, though, goes further than where it needs to be for him to simply survive in the media world, and it has the unmistakable feel of not being completely sincere.<br /><br />wiseguyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14246130928497057712013-11-22T11:39:53.546-08:002013-11-22T11:39:53.546-08:00Bruce Dern has always been a fanatical jogger, whi...Bruce Dern has always been a fanatical jogger, which helped his career in the 1970s when jogging was the Big New Thing.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72588870741187159692013-11-22T11:02:24.521-08:002013-11-22T11:02:24.521-08:00"The Empire of Brazil was the largest slave h..."The Empire of Brazil was the largest slave holding society in the history of the world." - The Arabs had them beat on throughput if not total population.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77104800459372659602013-11-22T10:43:11.243-08:002013-11-22T10:43:11.243-08:00Steve, where's the Grantland article you refer...Steve, where's the Grantland article you referred to? I think you accidentally copied-and-pasted an Oberlin student's term paper into your post instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com