tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7730939837759144545..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "I Love Lucy" v. "I Love Marilyn"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger145125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25057833084158873562012-07-02T06:11:41.732-07:002012-07-02T06:11:41.732-07:00"White" came to mean that there was no M..."White" came to mean that there was no MANDATORY (legally required) discrimination against a group or individual (with the exception of gender discrimination against women, which was both legal and customary). If Hans the German wanted to marry Wanda the Pole, their families and churches might be outraged but the government at all levels was neutral. If Hans wanted to marry that cute mulatto or quadroon from New Orleans, then many states stepped in to tell him that he couldn't do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82511465770297442132012-05-27T01:19:36.719-07:002012-05-27T01:19:36.719-07:00"Anonymous said...
Fool, I don't have ev..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />Fool, I don't have even a single droplet of Spanish blood. Not one. Stop making accusations that make you look stupid."<br /><br />I don't consider calling someone "spanish" an accusation. Perhaps you do. In any case, the only one here who comes across as foolish and stupid, is you.<br /><br />"And the fact is that Spaniards suddenly became "white" after WWII when the country developed. No one regarded Spaniards as white back in the 1930s when Spain was broke and riveted by civil war and had the GDP per capita of a Third World country. Now that is is a rich country, they are suddenly white."<br /><br />And you obviously are stupid, or at the very least, quite ignorant. Even in the depths of the Spanish Civil War, Spain was far above any third-world country in terms of economic development. By the way, the term "third world" didn't exist prior to World War II.<br /><br />You probably didn't realize that.<br /><br />Because you are stupid.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1950994762087893542012-05-26T22:51:57.990-07:002012-05-26T22:51:57.990-07:00All of which explains why Ian Fleming based his fi...<i><br />All of which explains why Ian Fleming based his fictional character James Bond on the Dominican playboy, diplomat, spy Porfirio Rubirosa.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspirations_for_James_Bond" rel="nofollow">False.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82524082961302647192012-05-26T21:41:08.285-07:002012-05-26T21:41:08.285-07:00@Anonymous 6:35 PM
"You're making exce...@Anonymous 6:35 PM<br /><br /> "You're making excellent progress, old man.See how you've gone from talking about race to talking about ethnicity.Pretty soon now, you will have seen the light and recognized the fact that the Spanish and Portuguese are White."<br /><br /> Old man? I am not an old man, and wtf has this got to do with anything?<br /><br /> My point is that Anglos never regarded Iberians as being whites of the same biological value as northern European immigrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75941355957196786942012-05-26T21:36:49.809-07:002012-05-26T21:36:49.809-07:00@Anonymous Moron 6:32 PM
(allowances were alway...@Anonymous Moron 6:32 PM<br /><br /> (allowances were always made for certain outstanding individuals).Oscar Wilde used to go on about how the German could always be detected by his peculiar body odor.Rudyard Kipling used to talk about the disgusting blondness of Germans, how it made then look like overgrown babies (see his story "Mary Postgate").Didn't mean that the Germans weren't White.<br /><br />Many of these same groups wanted to engage in the mass sterilization of Anglos as well, all those groups that were not doing very well ("White trash," "hill billies," etc).Doesn't mean that they did not view them as White"<br /><br /> I should have rephrased what I meant. Let's put it this way: Anglos regarded Spniards and other southern Europeans as an inferior kind of white for.<br /><br /> Whether they regarded them as white or not is irrelevant. They regarded them as a biologically inferior race to northern Europeans. <br /><br /> It was not cultural. It was biological. And I am talking about AMERICAN prejudice against southern Europeans and not the English. Americans never tried to deny entrance into the U.S of Germans for BIOLOGICAL reasons. Their arguments were always cultural. When it comes to Italians and Spaniards, the argument was always that they were INNATELY less capable in intelligence and character and would drag the country down if allowed to enter in large numbers.<br /><br /> I should have use the expression "inferior type of white" instead of simply the word "white". That is not what I meant. They may have regarded them as white, but not the same kind of white that are Anglos are, but an inferior kind. You are playing with semantics.<br /><br /> It is a FACT that the U.S tried to limit southern European immigration on the grounds that southern Europeans were BIOLOGICALLY inferior. They never used that excuse for northern Europeans. Deal with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33164135550870375792012-05-26T20:49:57.807-07:002012-05-26T20:49:57.807-07:00People cared about whether Rubirosa* had Black anc...<i>People cared about whether Rubirosa* had Black ancestry;his White Spanish blood was meaningless.The melungeons merely further ram home the point that the Potuguese were White.</i><br /><br />You appear to be logically challenged. If the mixed-race melungeons were white why did they face prejudice and contempt because of their color? Why did they feel the need to claim Portuguese or Turkish or Amerindian ancestry to avoid being treated like part-blacks? <br /><br />Southern Europeans being considered racially inferior does not imply that they were seen as part-africans. No one is claiming that. That is an absurd strawman you have made up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76387241756507179742012-05-26T18:35:49.558-07:002012-05-26T18:35:49.558-07:00Anonymous Leftist:"Again, you are making this...Anonymous Leftist:"Again, you are making this an issue of culture and not ethnicity. Not true. Germans might have been regarded as culturally inferior, but they were never denied entry into the U.S on the grounds that they were biologically inferior. The concern was whether they could adapt to Anglo culture. Conversely, they wanted to restrict the entrace of southern Europeans on the ground that they were BIOLOGICALLY inferior to Anglos. In fact, several eugenicists societies argued that the immigration of large number of southern Europeans would lead to a permanent decline of the U.S as southern Europeans were inferior in intelligence and hardiness for work which was believed to be a biological characteristic."<br /><br /><br />You're making excellent progress, old man.See how you've gone from talking about race to talking about ethnicity.Pretty soon now, you will have seen the light and recognized the fact that the Spanish and Portuguese are White.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33087409878730547462012-05-26T18:32:45.470-07:002012-05-26T18:32:45.470-07:00Anonymous Leftist:"Again, you are making this...Anonymous Leftist:"Again, you are making this an issue of culture and not ethnicity. Not true. Germans might have been regarded as culturally inferior, but they were never denied entry into the U.S on the grounds that they were biologically inferior. The concern was whether they could adapt to Anglo culture."<br /><br />you might want to poke around a bit, chum.plenty of English people have made noises about the biological superiority of the English vis-a-vis the run-of-the-mill German (allowances were always made for certain outstanding individuals).Oscar Wilde used to go on about how the German could always be detected by his peculiar body odor.Rudyard Kipling used to talk about the disgusting blondness of Germans, how it made then look like overgrown babies (see his story "Mary Postgate").Didn't mean that the Germans weren't White.<br /><br /><br /> Anonymous Leftist:"Conversely, they wanted to restrict the entrace of southern Europeans on the ground that they were BIOLOGICALLY inferior to Anglos. In fact, several eugenicists societies argued that the immigration of large number of southern Europeans would lead to a permanent decline of the U.S as southern Europeans were inferior in intelligence and hardiness for work which was believed to be a biological characteristic."<br /><br />Many of these same groups wanted to engage in the mass sterilization of Anglos as well, all those groups that were not doing very well ("White trash," "hill billies," etc).Doesn't mean that they did not view them as White.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41382865177312924112012-05-26T17:50:45.816-07:002012-05-26T17:50:45.816-07:00@Anonymous 6:36 AM
"Traditional Anglo soci...@Anonymous 6:36 AM<br /><br /> "Traditional Anglo society views everything non-Anglo as inferior.Perhaps you are unaware of the negative feelings that Anglos have for, say, Germans?Again, you are conflating notions of ethnic/cultural superiority with the idea that Anglos did not regard Southern Europeans as White."<br /><br /> Again, you are making this an issue of culture and not ethnicity. Not true. Germans might have been regarded as culturally inferior, but they were never denied entry into the U.S on the grounds that they were biologically inferior. The concern was whether they could adapt to Anglo culture. Conversely, they wanted to restrict the entrace of southern Europeans on the ground that they were BIOLOGICALLY inferior to Anglos. In fact, several eugenicists societies argued that the immigration of large number of southern Europeans would lead to a permanent decline of the U.S as southern Europeans were inferior in intelligence and hardiness for work which was believed to be a biological characteristic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81648934902926649632012-05-26T17:49:56.842-07:002012-05-26T17:49:56.842-07:00Porfirio Rubirosa was a sexual freak by all accoun...Porfirio Rubirosa was a sexual freak by all accounts in that he was sterile and had a member that was always in a semi-turgid state. Dominicans of my acquaintence say this is not rare, although not exactly common, amongst Dominican men and may be a sort of mutation or genetic quirk. Apparently these characteristics sort of go together in the way that people whose organs are a mirror image of the normal arrangement also have another oddity which isn't obviously related.<br /><br /> Rubirosa's colossal size is likewise considered only moderately worthy of comment in the Dominican male population. Dominican men are almost universally what would be considered "very well endowed" elsewhere, and I have seen this myself as several have demonstrated. They did so without any implication of homosexual intent or inclination on their part or mine. They seem to regard it as merely a curiosity and don't think it makes them special, as White men with extreme endowment generally do. <br /><br /> Rubirosa was a professional playboy, but he also had a violent past and never seemed the least guilty or repentant of it. I suspect he was something of a sociopath at least by Western standards. It's interesting how High Society can interact with people who have sometimes brutal histories without any apparent revulsion or disdain, as in the "Radical Chic" and "Mobster Chic" documented by Wolfe and others.<br /><br /> Frank Sinatra's best friend was a man improbably named Jilly Rizzo, who was a notorious mob thug and enforcer in his younger days Surprisingly, or not surprisingly, when recently the man whose drunk driving resulted in Rizzo's death twenty-plus years ago came up for parole, the whole SInatra clan turned up to plead he not be paroled.Darfur Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29924836906076627062012-05-26T17:43:45.877-07:002012-05-26T17:43:45.877-07:00anonymous Leftist:"You are looking at it too ...anonymous Leftist:"You are looking at it too simplistically, as if it was just a black and white issue."<br /><br />Was that an attempt at humor?If so, nicely done, as it was indeed a "black and white issue."<br /><br />People cared about whether Rubirosa* had Black ancestry;his White Spanish blood was meaningless.The melungeons merely further ram home the point that the Potuguese were White.<br /><br />Nicely done, sir!You have put the nails in your own coffin, hoist your own petard, condemned yourself with your own mouth, etc.<br /><br />*The Rubirosa as the inspiration for James Bond bit is just the icing on the cake;what better proof of the Whiteness of Spaniards is there than the fact that an old Etonian like Ian Fleming used him as the model for Bond?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82267431026010321422012-05-26T17:33:06.706-07:002012-05-26T17:33:06.706-07:00In the discussion of racial attitudes regarding th...In the discussion of racial attitudes regarding the Spanish, I find the commentary of noted racialist, Classicist, and linguist Revilo P. Oliver most interesting.<br /><br /> In a book published by American Opinion (the publishing arm of the John Birch Society, which threw Oliver out for racism and anti-Jewishism in the late sixties) called <i>An Introduction To The Contemporary History Of Latin America</i> ,Oliver said of Latin scholarship (by which he meant Iberian Spanish), "The Latins, the best of whom are fully equal to the best of our own" (by "our" he meant the English speaking academic world). He went on to praise the Spanish conquistadors when surveying the landscape of Mexico-a country in which he spent considerable time and had a number of Mexican academics as friends and whom he respected highly-White, Spanish Mexicans I would assume, for such were the vast majority of academics in Mexico then and now-b saying, "My God, these were MEN!".<br /><br /> Hey, if Revilo Oliver says you're White, you're White. QED!Darfur Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8072769555967096752012-05-26T15:54:55.097-07:002012-05-26T15:54:55.097-07:00They only cared about Black ancestry.Same thing go...<i>They only cared about Black ancestry.Same thing goes for the melungeons;the fact that they tried to pretend that they were Portuguese proves that the Portuguese were regarded as White. Congratulations!You've refuted yourself! You've proven that people regarded the Spanish and Portuguese as White.</i><br /><br />You are looking at it too simplistically, as if it was just a black and white issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78007846145096538052012-05-26T15:37:10.365-07:002012-05-26T15:37:10.365-07:00Anonymous Leftist:"That doesn't quite exp...Anonymous Leftist:"That doesn't quite explain why immigration from Scandinavia, Holland, Germany and other nordic countries was heavily favored. The doors weren't even opened to southern and eastern europeans until immigration from the nordic nations started drying up."<br /><br />One might also note that the "Nordic" countries that you name, barring Germany, were all majority Protestant and closer in culture to the USA than countries from Southern and Eastern Europe.<br /><br />Anonymous;"It is futile to argue that racism against southern and eastern europeans was never an issue when even American Presidents openly expressed nordicist sentiments:"<br /><br />So, now you've gone from arguing for the all-pervasive racially based hatred of Southern Europeans to saying that it was merely "an issue." Good, we are making progress.Pretty soon now, you will be all grown up and ready to face reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75120257568157533392012-05-26T15:15:55.340-07:002012-05-26T15:15:55.340-07:00Hey, Anonymous Leftist, since your feelings have b...Hey, Anonymous Leftist, since your feelings have been all bent out of shape by the fact that the English have regarded themselves as better than everyone else, why don't you soothe your fractured psyche by reading Giuseppe Sergi? I'm sure that his theories on the superiority of Mediterranean peoples would be just the ticket to make you feel better about yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59123264851684253312012-05-26T15:14:15.836-07:002012-05-26T15:14:15.836-07:00Obviously, immigrants from societies that were les...<i>Obviously, immigrants from societies that were less similar to the USA (Russia, Italy, etc) would be harder to assimilate than immigrants from societies that were more akin (England, Scotland, etc).</i><br /><br />That doesn't quite explain why immigration from Scandinavia, Holland, Germany and other nordic countries was heavily favored. The doors weren't even opened to southern and eastern europeans until immigration from the nordic nations started drying up.<br /><br />It is futile to argue that racism against southern and eastern europeans was never an issue when even American Presidents openly expressed nordicist sentiments:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#In_the_USA<br /><br /><br />".... admixture was "race suicide" and unless eugenic policies were enacted, the Nordic race would be supplanted by inferior races. Future president Calvin Coolidge agreed, stating "Biological laws tell us that certain divergent people will not mix or blend. The Nordics propagate themselves successfully. With other races, the outcome shows deterioration on both sides."[55]<br /><br />The Immigration Act of 1924 was signed into law by President Coolidge. This was designed to reduce the number of Eastern and Southern European immigrants, exclude Asian immigrants altogether, and favor immigration from Northern and Western European countries such as Britain, Ireland and Germany."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67045510104835463022012-05-26T15:08:08.266-07:002012-05-26T15:08:08.266-07:00Anonymous Leftist:"Note that Rubirosa was des...Anonymous Leftist:"Note that Rubirosa was described as "nut brown" in the sun-exposed part of his body and "cafe au lait" where the sun don't shine. Yet while there were always suspicions about his black heritage he was still renowned as a Latin Lover.<br /><br />Note also that the tri-racial melungeons of the South passed themselves off as Portuguese. <br /><br />I think it is quite amusing that James Bond, the greatest modern-age fictional hero of the motherland of the nordicist american WASPs, is based on a real-life swarthy mixed-race playboy, diplomat, sportsman, assassin from the Carribean...."<br /><br /><br />And this does what to your theory about Spaniards not being regarded as White?If it does anything, it actually undermines it, as nobody cared that Porfiro Rubirosa was of Spanish descent.They only cared about Black ancestry.Same thing goes for the melungeons;the fact that they tried to pretend that they were Portuguese proves that the Portuguese were regarded as White.<br /><br />Congratulations!You've refuted yourself! You've proven that people regarded the Spanish and Portuguese as White.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88037489435917877412012-05-26T14:58:47.027-07:002012-05-26T14:58:47.027-07:00Anonymous Leftist:"And the fact is that Spani...Anonymous Leftist:"And the fact is that Spaniards suddenly became "white" after WWII when the country developed. No one regarded Spaniards as white back in the 1930s when Spain was broke and riveted by civil war and had the GDP per capita of a Third World country. Now that is is a rich country, they are suddenly white."<br /><br />You know, just saying something over and over again does not make it true.Looks like another leftist has swallowed Ignatiev's cool-aid.<br /><br />Anonymous Leftist:"As for the U.S.A, the economic success of Spanish-descended immigrants is the ONLY reason why they are regarded as white. It must be really painful that Cuban-Americans are wealthier than Anglos, huh? I am really sorry to hurt your feelings."<br /><br />Yeah, things like skin color and phenotype and European ancestry don't matter;it's all about how much money you make....Remind me again about how you are not a Leftist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18823415369863300192012-05-26T14:54:14.059-07:002012-05-26T14:54:14.059-07:00Please note, "Rumors of his negro blood."...<i>Please note, "Rumors of his negro blood." Nobody cared about his Spanish ancestry.Further proof that Spaniards are White.</i><br /><br />Note that Rubirosa was described as "nut brown" in the sun-exposed part of his body and "cafe au lait" where the sun don't shine. Yet while there were always suspicions about his black heritage he was still renowned as a Latin Lover.<br /><br />Note also that the tri-racial melungeons of the South passed themselves off as Portuguese. <br /><br />I think it is quite amusing that James Bond, the greatest modern-age fictional hero of the motherland of the nordicist american WASPs, is based on a real-life swarthy mixed-race playboy, diplomat, sportsman, assassin from the Carribean....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17505095602694448672012-05-26T14:51:22.207-07:002012-05-26T14:51:22.207-07:00Anonymous Leftist:"Nordicism is not about con...Anonymous Leftist:"Nordicism is not about conserving "cultural" homogeneity, is it?"<br /><br />Actually, it was; they were deeply concerned about preserving the cultural integrity of the country, and they were intelligent enough to realize that large numbers of immigrants would jeopardize that project.Obviously, immigrants from societies that were less similar to the USA (Russia, Italy, etc) would be harder to assimilate than immigrants from societies that were more akin (England, Scotland, etc).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6932779779086807952012-05-26T14:46:40.661-07:002012-05-26T14:46:40.661-07:00Anonymous leftist:"the southern Baptists may ...Anonymous leftist:"the southern Baptists may have been rejected on grounds or religion, and the poor whites from New England may have been rejected on the grounds of economic status, but if they had money and were, say, Episcopalians, they could be accepted by elite WASPS. Conversely, the Italians could convert to Episcopalian religion and even if they did that and became rich, they would never be regarded as white. Why? Because they were regarded as reacially inferior, and not northern European stock. They could be regarded as white, buut that's redundant, as they were still regarded as a lesser type of white. Stop trying to debate me or you'll get owned over and over again as I am smarter than you."<br /><br /><br />Yeah, the Taliaferro family have really suffered from Anglo prejudice over the years.I mean, they were only ranked as one of the First Families of Virginia.<br /><br />Heck, one can only imagine how Ernst Fenollosa (1853-1908) somehow managed to attend Harvard and intermix with the elite of Cambridge/Boston society.<br /><br />I do enjoy watching leftists like yourself digging holes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11989978766015557172012-05-26T14:24:04.444-07:002012-05-26T14:24:04.444-07:00Yeah, it was just awful that they wanted to conser...<i>Yeah, it was just awful that they wanted to conserve the cultural homogeneity of American society</i><br /><br />Nordicism is not about conserving "cultural" homogeneity, is it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17490156641899710722012-05-26T14:13:47.915-07:002012-05-26T14:13:47.915-07:00Truman Capote described it thusly: 'an 11-inch...<i>Truman Capote described it thusly: 'an 11-inch cafe au lait sinker as thick as a man's wrist'......Length and girth - a deadly combination...</i><br /><br />Perhaps Truman and Porfirio just happened to be in the gym locker room at the same time, but I don't know, this description sounds a bit more detailed than such a casual encounter would warrant.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04266094188872421777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12442034781692397592012-05-26T11:28:55.322-07:002012-05-26T11:28:55.322-07:00"And you think Jews somehow were entitled to ..."And you think Jews somehow were entitled to more than 20% of the spots in that class at a university that was created by a competing group?"<br /><br />Harvard has morphed several times in its 376-year history. It was founded with the intention of supplying literate Puritan ministers to the New England colonists, then it became a provincially elite college for the Boston Brahmins and social peers in the Northeast. Its administrators and alumni developed higher aspirations for the school beginning in the late 19th century, and that set it on the path to seeking international prominence. Meritocratic admissions, of course with hiccoughs during the administration of A. Lawrence Lowell (1909-1933), was a byproduct of that. That's my take as an alum, FWIW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23797840017106536682012-05-26T10:54:33.014-07:002012-05-26T10:54:33.014-07:00"some Kantian ideal of einem Klasse"
Th..."some Kantian ideal of einem Klasse"<br /><br />That would be <i>einer</i> Klasse, but loanwords don't inflect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com