tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7846432739822238048..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Swiss voters fail to heed Swiss bankersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82614911158576026482014-02-10T14:25:50.410-08:002014-02-10T14:25:50.410-08:00Bryan Caplan says that the Swiss vote against immi...Bryan Caplan says that the Swiss vote against immigration proves that there isn't enough immigration:<br /><br />http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2014/02/what_the_swiss.html#comments<br /><br />"The natural inference to draw, then, is the opposite of Tyler's: The main hurdle to further immigration is insufficient immigration. If countries could just get over the hump of status quo bias, anti-immigration attitudes would become as socially unacceptable as domestic racism. Instead of coddling nativism with gradualism, we can, should, and must peacefully destroy nativism with abolitionism."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69294236966895601432014-02-10T14:20:53.701-08:002014-02-10T14:20:53.701-08:00The media instantly rushes to denounce the people ...The media instantly rushes to denounce the people of Switzerland (27% foreign born) as "xenophobic."<br /><br />At what point are the Swiss reasonably allowed to be concerned about too much immigration? When it's 50% foreign-born? 75% foreign-born? 90% foreign-born? Never?<br /><br />Does the demos own the democracy, or does the concept of democracy not really matter much anymore?<br /><br />Switzerland is now home to more foreigners than all but a handful of states, but the Swiss are xenophobic to object.Willisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81126371287390025492014-02-10T14:07:46.326-08:002014-02-10T14:07:46.326-08:00"Fake Herzog said...
And right on cue, Bryan..."Fake Herzog said...<br /><br />And right on cue, Bryan Caplan says the lesson to be learned is that the Swiss need more immigration to cure them of their bias against immigrants:"<br /><br />They should try importing some Somalis and Chechens. That'll do the trick. And while they're at it, they should send a few to live with Bryan Caplan.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78017579873588442692014-02-10T13:24:27.391-08:002014-02-10T13:24:27.391-08:00And right on cue, Bryan Caplan says the lesson to ...And right on cue, Bryan Caplan says the lesson to be learned is that the Swiss need more immigration to cure them of their bias against immigrants:<br /><br />http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2014/02/what_the_swiss.html <br /><br />You can't make this stuff up...Fake Herzoghttp://www.imnotherzog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34427769502603901702014-02-10T10:19:32.001-08:002014-02-10T10:19:32.001-08:00It's like being happy that only 49% of your po...It's like being happy that only 49% of your population voted for Pol Pot. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77744213284373209112014-02-10T08:57:33.654-08:002014-02-10T08:57:33.654-08:00It's always fun to compare the "readers&#...It's always fun to compare the "readers' picks" to the "NYT picks" in the comments on immigration-related articles.<br /><br />Some pro-restrictionists remain a bit unclear on the point of open-borders, though: One writes:<br /><br /><i>"Only an economist would not understand what happens to a rich country when it is inundated...It is a sad situation, but bankrupting wealthy nations and turning them into poor nations is not the solution."</i><br /><br />But my dear chap, it is the solution! Not to your problems, of course, and only coincidentally to the problems of immigrants. "Bankrupting wealthy nations and turning them into poor nations" only means most people in them who used to be not-poor will become poor. It doesn't mean <i>everybody</i> there is going to be poor. And if you're the sort of person who's discovered that just fleecing poor nations hasn't made you as rich as you'd like, what other solution is there but turning your efforts to gutting rich nations? That's where the money is, as the distinguished economist W. Sutton once theorized.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83551939911204976872014-02-10T08:49:10.521-08:002014-02-10T08:49:10.521-08:00Democracy is too important to be left to the peopl...Democracy is too important to be left to the people.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18753390966579553242014-02-10T08:48:40.046-08:002014-02-10T08:48:40.046-08:00"leftist conservative said...
Why, look at t..."leftist conservative said...<br /><br />Why, look at this beacon of democracy called America--we have grown and grown and grown with this wonderful mass immigration....and look at us...we are more democratic than ever. Our elected politicians are falling all over themselves trying as best they can to carry out the will of the majority. So, there!"<br /><br />Why, our government is so concerned about carrying out the will of the people, that it routinely spies on them, the better to discern that will. They care about us - just like a stalker would.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85288300356147891792014-02-10T08:06:55.973-08:002014-02-10T08:06:55.973-08:00I think it's cute how Swiss banks are all of a...<i>I think it's cute how Swiss banks are all of a sudden immoral. It isn't like three days ago Sailer published a large laudatory post involving Swiss banks.</i> <br /><br /><br />That acid you dropped in the sixties really did a number on you. (Or you're just a pathological liar, but I'm trying to be charitable here)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4008016461526902232014-02-10T07:13:43.899-08:002014-02-10T07:13:43.899-08:00The system designed by the original plutocrats, Ma...<i>The system designed by the original plutocrats, Madison, Jefferson et. al, worked much like the Swiss system, but Lincoln quite consciously destroyed that system…</i>--anon<br /><br />Yeah, right. <br /><br />The Swiss would have put Lincoln's colonization proposal before white voters in the South-- all whites, not just planters and their overseers, who vigo(u)rously opposed it. The fugitive slave statutes and the Dred Scott decision showed that Southern leadership was just fine with federal hegemony and interference when it worked in their favor. <br /><br />The war of 1861 was just as élite-driven as any other. Both sides were fighting for "diversity" against the true interests of the common white man. (Note that the blacker the state, the earlier the secession.)<br /><br />Had Davis prevailed, South Carolina would look like a lot more like South Africa than Inner Appenzell today. <br />Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37025016824431923412014-02-10T04:33:12.727-08:002014-02-10T04:33:12.727-08:00@Anon 11:30,
My bad, I had the intent of the refe...@Anon 11:30,<br /><br />My bad, I had the intent of the referendum reversed. You're right, this is positive motion, not a brief halt in negative motion. <br /><br />But how did the voting break down by age? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25760506345153115572014-02-10T03:08:11.728-08:002014-02-10T03:08:11.728-08:00Seems European liberals now have got yet another d...Seems European liberals now have got yet another disease to fight: the growing Germanophobia.<br /><br />According to Wikipedia:<br /><br />"Since 2007, there have been reports on Swiss xenophobia (or "germanophobia") directed against German immigration....Helbling found that the Germans were the fourth-most disliked immigrant group in Zürich, following the immigrants from Former Yugoslavia (considered as a single group), Turkey and the Arab World."Åsille Olavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16285386936911163788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50834410662856067322014-02-10T02:21:51.555-08:002014-02-10T02:21:51.555-08:00leftist conservative said..
"American federa...leftist conservative said..<br /><br />"American federalism works quite well...for the class of people who designed it--the plutocrats."<br /><br />Apportion blame where it belongs. The system designed by the original plutocrats, Madison, Jefferson et. al, worked much like the Swiss system, but Lincoln quite consciously destroyed that system and we celebrate that achievement to this day through such devices as Steven Spielberg hagiographies. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75985741266610758232014-02-10T00:51:43.313-08:002014-02-10T00:51:43.313-08:00If a vote could have been held to exclude specific...If a vote could have been held to exclude specifically non-white immigrants, that proposal would probably have been passed by a bigger margin.5371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36659699977589710562014-02-10T00:02:06.297-08:002014-02-10T00:02:06.297-08:00Let's get one thing clear. The EU has got abso...Let's get one thing clear. The EU has got absolutely nothing to do with 'free trade' as envisioned by the old-time economists.<br /> Rather it uses 'free trade' in the same way that the mafia runs a 'protection racket' ie "play the game our way or pay heavy consequences".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55827737279521411322014-02-09T23:58:26.874-08:002014-02-09T23:58:26.874-08:00An open immigration arrangement between Switzerlan...An open immigration arrangement between Switzerland and the EU is utter madness.<br /> Notwithstanding the fact that there are literally tens of millions of hungry eastern Euro workers who would just love to have a bite of the Swiss cherry - and move in on Switzerland with their wives and families - also these days with the EU inspired economic collapse of southern Europe, there are millions and millions of long-term unemployed southern European youth who would just love the chance to start out in Switzerland.<br /> And apart from all of that, it gets even worse. The rising ethnic component of much of the 'traditional' EU heartland is black and brown. Disaffected, surly and rebellious black and brown with a chip on its shoulder - and usually confined to god-awful slum ghettoes in England or France. Gosh!, how they would just love the chance to move in on Germanic, anal-retentive, fussy, chocolate-box Switzerland with all of its goodies and geegaws. Beats the shitholes of Brixton and Tottenham hands down all the time. And if the EU had it's way, there's f*ck all the Swiss could do about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69122331950599502282014-02-09T23:30:45.989-08:002014-02-09T23:30:45.989-08:00"50.2%. It'll be back. And next time it&#..."50.2%. It'll be back. And next time it'll win. Half of Switzerland gazes longingly at East LA. That half only has to get lucky once."<br /><br />To what "it" are you referring. The referendum was to reduce legal immigration by taking Switzerland out of the open borders Schengen Zone. "It" - our guys; the good side; the side fighting the immigration insanity which has gripped the West - won.<br /><br />It barely won during a good economy. If times were worse it would have sailed through.<br /><br />The people of Switzerland have spoken. Now, in the spirit of modern democracy, it's time for their leaders to set to work finding a way to ignore them.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59144344956301593592014-02-09T20:47:29.820-08:002014-02-09T20:47:29.820-08:00"Australia, Norway, Switzerland all voting ag..."Australia, Norway, Switzerland all voting against immigration recently..."<br /><br />The new government in Australia has managed to crack down on illegal immigration since it was swept to power last year. Sadly, legal immigration into Australia continues to run at high levels. Both sides of politics have swallowed the nonsense that immigration is good for the economy (more people equals larger GDP) and therefore Australia should continue to be open to mass immigration from all over the world. They never bother to consider the impacts of immigration on the existing population.<br /><br />Even the current prime minister, Tony Abbott, who has spoken about promoting Australia's British heritage and is often painted as a hardline conservative in the media, seems to think that flooding the country with non-Western immigrants is fine.Mr Drabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61577240908207652802014-02-09T20:09:15.173-08:002014-02-09T20:09:15.173-08:00Somewhat OT, but still on immigration, the All Sta...Somewhat OT, but still on immigration, the All Star panel on Fox News Friday night briefly discussed the poor monthly jobs report and whether amnesty would help or hurt employment opportunities in the US. This is the kind of conundrum that baffles the deep thinkers at Fox: economy created 113,000 jobs in December, US let in 90,000 or so immigrants in same month; possible problem? No one had a clear thought, but the Washington Post's Charles Lane mentioned he had just seen an ad on Fox sponsored by a "conservative group" supporting comprehensive immigration reform. Of course the moron was referring to the Mark Zuckerberg false-flag operation, Americans for a Conservative Direction. These highly paid pundits have absolutely no interest in this issue.Harry Baldwinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35636756575096951862014-02-09T19:28:47.028-08:002014-02-09T19:28:47.028-08:00I think the bankers were offering economic advice ...<i>I think the bankers were offering economic advice not moral advice</i><br /><br />Unfortunately, that "advice" was to undermine Swizz workers in order to benefit the elites of Switzerland.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15812555972041499592014-02-09T19:18:24.470-08:002014-02-09T19:18:24.470-08:00I think it's cute how Swiss banks are all of a...I think it's cute how Swiss banks are all of a sudden immoral. It isn't like three days ago Sailer published a large laudatory post involving Swiss banks. Also shouldn't the enemy of my enemy crowd love them some Swiss banks. I mean I agree it's tawdry how business interests get so involved in these things, but come on Steve's never expressed anything but admiration for Swiss banks until this referendum. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16291253148869869222014-02-09T19:17:52.051-08:002014-02-09T19:17:52.051-08:00"50.2%. It'll be back. And next time it&#..."50.2%. It'll be back. And next time it'll win. Half of Switzerland gazes longingly at East LA. That half only has to get lucky once."<br /><br />Maybe not. According to the article, most of the voters are ruralites, who have more children than urbanites.<br /><br />It ain't over til the fat lady sings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8115247863294765352014-02-09T19:12:36.716-08:002014-02-09T19:12:36.716-08:00""""The referendum on the chan...""""The referendum on the changes to the country’s liberal immigration law was a rebuke to the Swiss government, the banking industry and business leaders who had lobbied against the restrictions, warning that such a move could endanger Switzerland’s prosperity.""""<br /><br /><br /><br />Has Malcolm Gladwell's style been appropriated into world news reporting? Just repeat the PC talking points and that's it?<br /><br />First of all, Switzerland is a tiny nation with a small land mass. The country's size is smaller than the state of Ohio.<br /><br />Second, Switzerland is a global economic power chiefly due to its international banking. The unrestricted immigration was NOT letting in unlimited numbers of Carlos Slim; Mark Zuckerberg; Kagans galore; etc.<br /><br />Third, exactly why is it the NYT business what another nation wants to do regarding its own immigration polic---oh, right. It's the NYT we're talking about and the board of directors probably have their own Swiss accounts.<br /><br />Fourth, that proves the point though. Since banking and high end banking at that is what keeps the country going its not as if these international movers and shakers actually LIVE there. They have their private accounts there and trade on the stock exchange there but aside from that, its not like you really want to live there all yr round.<br /><br />Bottom line: It's the Swiss business and ONLY their business as to what they want to do with setting their own policies. They didn't get dragged into various conflicts over the last century and being told off by NYT isn't likely to dissuade them either.<br /><br />Good for the Swiss! Now if they only made their cheese with more taste and fewer holes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74257118306828771542014-02-09T19:06:33.919-08:002014-02-09T19:06:33.919-08:00"Like any other issue pushed by the left, it ...<i>"Like any other issue pushed by the left, it will continue to be put up for a vote until they get the vote they want. At which point the issue will be settled and can never, never, never again be debated."</i><br /><br />We need to give them a taste of their own medicine on this. Never let up. Keep up the pressure. That's what it takes. A lot of how things have gotten to where they are today is that they always keep it up, like you say, until people say "ok, whatever" and they get their way. Keep saying no, like training a dog.<br /><br />It's like saying yes to panhandlers in a place where panhandlers gather. You've got to get comfortable at saying no, you've got to get good at saying no, you've got to always say no, and you've got to feel good about saying no. It's not hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32113688493235428042014-02-09T19:06:26.365-08:002014-02-09T19:06:26.365-08:00Good for the Swiss. Good for the Swiss. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com