tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7935786579581806408..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: How's that coed Navy SEALs thing working out?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66828112688999717482011-05-06T11:13:48.170-07:002011-05-06T11:13:48.170-07:00It doesn't stop the military from sending fema...<i>It doesn't stop the military from sending females out on combat missions, though. They just merely attach them to a unit instead of assigning them and then you get situations like the one involving Jessica Lynch. </i><br /><br />Jessica Lynch wasn't sent out on a combat mission. She was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch#Battle_of_Nasiriyah" rel="nofollow">supply clerk for the 507th Maintenance Company</a> driving in a supply convoy when a number of wrong turns led the convoy into an ambush.Correctionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88975531911960669912011-05-05T19:47:19.218-07:002011-05-05T19:47:19.218-07:00This is a tails vs middle of the distribution thin...This is a tails vs middle of the distribution thing. If you have some job that requires the 99+th percentile of physical ability in men, you won't be able to find any women who qualify. (There are some amazingly strong, fast, talented women out there. But the best female weightlifter or boxer or sprinter is just not able to compete with men in the Olympics.) By contrast, if you have a job that requires the 50th percentile of male physical performance, you'll be able to get a smallish number of women to qualify at the same level.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68491505819105008412011-05-05T13:29:32.235-07:002011-05-05T13:29:32.235-07:00Svigor said...
I'm just waiting for some ...Svigor said...<br /><br /><i> I'm just waiting for some Brit to come along and tell us how much better the SAS is. :) J/K. </i><br /><br />Haha...nah. Heres to the SEALs. Good job well done.<br /><br />In any case FYI, the UK equivalent of US Navy SEALS would probably be the SBS:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Boat_Service<br /><br />And, from what I've read the SBS have had a better (Afghan) war than the SAS.<br /><br />One incident which most readers might remember was the Taliban prisoner uprising at Qala-i-Janghi fort:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Qala-i-Jangi<br /><i> At 2:00 pm a mixed Special forces team, formed with nine U.S. Special Forces and six British Special Boat Service operators, arrived and joined the Afghans firing at the prisoners from the northern part of the fort </i><br /><br />According to my copy of <i> Special Operations Forces in Afghanistan pp28</i> "an American special operator who fought at Qala-i-Janghi recalled: '...a USAF major came along with the ad hoc team to see if they could help out. The SBS really saved the day on the 25th...All were extremely professional, aggressive, and cool under fire'...The US showed its appreciation to the SBS by attempting to have them recognized with US decorations, but British bureaucracy prevented these awards."<br /><br />The commentator on this news clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amV0kMEKXU4&feature=related calls the British special forces (shown here in the battle of Qala-i-Janghi) SAS when actually they are SBS. I believe the soldier seen firing a machine gun from the hip is Sergeant Paul 'Scruff' McGough who tragically died in a hang gliding accident in 2006 - and therefore he can be named and acknowledged.<br /><br />Its all a bit like Call of Duty innit? ;)Un Ros Bifnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67441828782853532652011-05-05T00:44:37.078-07:002011-05-05T00:44:37.078-07:00"'How much of a threat to US citizens/int...<i>"'How much of a threat to US citizens/interests was he?'<br /><br />How much of a threat is Charles Manson?<br /><br />This was capital punishment. <br /><br />I approve."</i><br /><br />I see. I'd thought of it as killing an enemy combatant, not executing a criminal. That POV makes more sense of it.<br /><br />Thanks for explaining.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87921529785408700752011-05-05T00:35:43.003-07:002011-05-05T00:35:43.003-07:00As to the GI Jane thing, I've read that Delta ...As to the GI Jane thing, I've read that Delta Force does have female operatives<br /><br />Not unless they have all joined in the last half year. I saw a quote by Defense Secretary Gates that was dated 9-30-2010, saying that he believes that SF will yield to accepting women in the future, but I haven't seen anything saying they have. Considering how much the MSM likes the idea as Steve as pointed out, I'm sure we would have heard something about it by now if they had been accepted. I'm sorry but the number of women who could physically do that job would have to be literally one in a million or more. Any woman with those physical attributes should be an Olympic or professional athlete.<br /><br />Israel has lots of female soldiers, and the IDF kicks ***.<br /><br />Israel has female soldiers, but after 1948, and until relatively recently again on an "experimental basis" women didn't serve in combat roles. I would also be pretty close to certain that the Israelis have no women in their versions of SF either or being used as fighter pilots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66129875117581434212011-05-04T23:14:51.472-07:002011-05-04T23:14:51.472-07:00Of course you won't find the women serving in ...Of course you won't find the women serving in a combat related capacity because they are legally barred from serving in a combat unit. <br /><br />It doesn't stop the military from sending females out on combat missions, though. They just merely attach them to a unit instead of assigning them and then you get situations like the one involving Jessica Lynch. <br /><br />The government loves a good story and it's not limited to females. They tried to spin the Lynch story in the same way they tried to cover up the circumstances of Pat Tillmans death as well. They just want to spin it into a good old fashioned war hero story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73651743420031281532011-05-04T23:11:03.449-07:002011-05-04T23:11:03.449-07:00Agnostic said:
"Did you get shot down by a p...Agnostic said:<br /><br />"Did you get shot down by a pastoralist Mulan type or something?"<br /><br /> No actually - I've dated Manchu and Kazakh girls before, and I'm actually Chinese, if the surname wasn't a dead giveaway. <br /><br /> I just enjoy pointing out your a dope - though you seem to resent it intensely.Alberto Wongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52095763105653304622011-05-04T22:13:48.884-07:002011-05-04T22:13:48.884-07:00"Also time to note that these SEALs were able...<b>"Also time to note that these SEALs were able to wander into Pakistan near its military academy so probably weren't the sons of midwestern farmers but perhaps had a hotel managing father in Michigan or Texas."</b><br /><br />Well, from the bottom of their boots, dangling from the helicopters, zooming by at 120 mph, at 1 in the morning, they certainly <i>looked</i> like Patels.<br /><br />Planning the successful invasion of Normandy (or Iraq) was substantially more difficult than finding and taking out OBL. Of course Roosevelt, Bush and Obama didn't do the planning, but they chose the men who did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50856096023655499982011-05-04T21:14:47.651-07:002011-05-04T21:14:47.651-07:00Alberto Wong, a cyber-stalker I recall from anothe...Alberto Wong, a cyber-stalker I recall from another thread. Did the Mulan reference touch a nerve? If memory serves, you're one of those white dorks who memorized East Asian culture in the hopes of getting one of their women to talk to you.<br /><br />Did you get shot down by a pastoralist Mulan type or something?agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27974407136590333112011-05-04T20:41:09.470-07:002011-05-04T20:41:09.470-07:00I think the Marine Corps has been pretty effective...I think the Marine Corps has been pretty effective in isolating women from men, but the Army, Navy, and Air Force not so much. I don't think any women serve in combat for the Marines. I watched a good chunk of that documentary "Carrier" and although there were some female pilots in the Navy squadrons, I don't recall any in the Marine ones shown on that documentary, also I believe Scout/Snipers, Recon, or Force Recon are currently male-only as well. From that documentary it would seem like women can serve just about anywhere in the Navy except submarines, but I that might have changed. Clearly, Special Forces is still off-limits as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58197463303667131792011-05-04T19:50:25.829-07:002011-05-04T19:50:25.829-07:00Also time to note that these SEALs were able to wa...Also time to note that these SEALs were able to wander into Pakistan near its military academy so probably weren't the sons of midwestern farmers but perhaps had a hotel managing father in Michigan or Texas.<br /><br />---<br /><br />A theory of Patel domination of SEAL Team Six. Most ethnic desperate post ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85670203027436098972011-05-04T19:45:03.387-07:002011-05-04T19:45:03.387-07:00Our Ships Are Sealed.Our Ships Are Sealed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32085710765177814882011-05-04T19:11:18.286-07:002011-05-04T19:11:18.286-07:00Israel has lots of female soldiers, and the IDF ki...Israel has lots of female soldiers, and the IDF kicks ***.<br />--<br /><br />1. All of them except for those pulling guard duty on the Egypt border are in support. So they aren't real combat troops.<br /><br />2. They fight Arabs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79975997007717732462011-05-04T19:03:30.046-07:002011-05-04T19:03:30.046-07:00"In my time serving in the Army, most senior ..."In my time serving in the Army, most senior officers despised special forces soldiers because they considered them to be an undisciplined problem with no respect for rank or rules and no respect for normal rules of engagement."<br /><br />We tended to see special ops as psychos and weirdos, and often off the rails. But admittedly that was a different time and place. I must admit that looking at today's unilateral aerial bombardment (formerly known as 'war'), it is hard to enthuse about manly warrior qualities. A slightly limp-wristed WWI officer like Robert Graves knew more about courage, duty and selfless sacrifice than some hi-tech robocop of today.<br />Gilbert Pinfold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9816595059350238322011-05-04T18:38:57.722-07:002011-05-04T18:38:57.722-07:00"Maybe only the mediocore ones got shot?"..."Maybe only the mediocore ones got shot?"<br /><br />Touchéstari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71266712635928143262011-05-04T18:31:31.929-07:002011-05-04T18:31:31.929-07:00"Not funny at all. It's common sense and,..."Not funny at all. It's common sense and, I believe, common practice to conceal the identities of those who engage in covert ops. When the operatives in question killed the leader of a fanatical gang of suicide bombers, it's even more sensible. "<br /><br />Also time to note that these SEALs were able to wander into Pakistan near its military academy so probably weren't the sons of midwestern farmers but perhaps had a hotel managing father in Michigan or Texas. And that all these SEALs were necessarily men, I doubt it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29470286207712703802011-05-04T18:16:05.929-07:002011-05-04T18:16:05.929-07:00A lot of the posters, as well as Steve himself, ha...A lot of the posters, as well as Steve himself, have made the odd presumption that the Seals and special forces stalwarts in general are all tall, swaggering, muscle-bound mesomorphs - Brock Lesnars in camoflage gear. From what I recall, however, the soldiers selected for these specialist duties tend to be of small stature and sinewy. The key attribute for special forces soldiers is stamina, and having a huge amount of red meat and muscle bulk diminishes endurance. It's why people are amazed when UFC heavyweights are capable of fighting at full pelt for more than two rounds - it's very hard to do when you're endowed with that much meat. <br /> <br /> This is at least what I recall having read in a few places. I have met one candidate for the Navy Seals who was soon due to go through Hell Week, and he was much shorter and thinner than I am (I'm larger than average but not massive). I've seen documentaries and read a few books about the SAS - none of the guys appear much larger than normal. <br /><br /> I distinctly recall Gary Brecher stating in one of his articles that the ideal modern soldier is actually a small, sinewy guy with a lot of stamina - someone who can go for days and hide in small places. A muscle-laden mesomorph presents a huge target, and is less likely to have good stamina unless he's some kind of freak. <br /><br /> It's perhaps also worth pointing out that one of the recent arguments touted for the greater strength and muscle mass for Sub-Saharan Africans and Polynesians is their inability to develop effective projectile weapons. The selection pressures were for success in melee combat, which favours large frames and muscles. Technological advances negate this preference. <br /><br />"The real Amazons were from one of those pastoral nomad groups from the Steppe, and the basis of the Mulan legend was from a similar group farther east."<br /><br /> I'd also like to point out in passing that Agnostic is a credulous fool.Alberto Wongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88363259760041897412011-05-04T17:36:36.300-07:002011-05-04T17:36:36.300-07:00Funny that there has been no photos nor mention of...<i>Funny that there has been no photos nor mention of any of the actual SEALs who were risking their lives.</i><br /><br />Not funny at all. It's common sense and, I believe, common practice to conceal the identities of those who engage in covert ops. When the operatives in question killed the leader of a fanatical gang of suicide bombers, it's even more sensible. <br /><br />As for complaining that Obama is taking credit for the raid, well, that's what Presidents do. And he DID order it, and the men who carried it out DO work for him, so some credit is due. <br /><br />FDR didn't personally invade Normandy, but he was responsible for leading the men who did.<br /><br />It's possible to think Obama is a lousy President and still acknowledge that not everything he does is wrong.steve woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63135537213615768722011-05-04T15:04:54.795-07:002011-05-04T15:04:54.795-07:00Didn't you guys see Robert Redford's lions...<i>Didn't you guys see Robert Redford's lions for lambs?</i><br /><br />There's something wrong with that dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47155407481813083282011-05-04T15:03:56.648-07:002011-05-04T15:03:56.648-07:00Anyway, him failing his goal made us appreciate th...<i>Anyway, him failing his goal made us appreciate the Navy Seals that much more because he is so powerfully strong.</i><br /><br />From what I understand, it's more about brains than brawn. You know, mental toughness and being on the ball, as it were. And motivation. They starve you for a week. And <i>drown</i> you a couple times, too, or they did last I heard. Obviously you need to be in shape (endurance is probably a lot more important than strength here), but if you have your shit together upstairs you'll get into great shape long before you try out for the SEALs.<br /><br />I'm just waiting for some Brit to come along and tell us how much better the SAS is. :) J/K.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80324254749342858132011-05-04T14:20:19.366-07:002011-05-04T14:20:19.366-07:00"How much of a threat to US citizens/interest..."How much of a threat to US citizens/interests was he?"<br /><br />How much of a threat is Charles Manson?<br /><br />This was capital punishment. <br /><br />I approve.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72196905623564009532011-05-04T14:18:02.053-07:002011-05-04T14:18:02.053-07:00Didn't you guys see Robert Redford's lions...Didn't you guys see Robert Redford's lions for lambs?<br /><br />The two US special forces heros trapped in the Afgan mountains were <a href="http://www.filmcritic.com/reviews/2007/lions-for-lambs/" rel="nofollow">Hispanic and Black</a>.<br /><br />Look at the photo in the above link - white guys are obviously the lesser half of any US elite military force.Lions for Lambsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47005273006069518632011-05-04T13:37:54.921-07:002011-05-04T13:37:54.921-07:00"He is also one of the most muscular men I..."He is also one of the most muscular men I've every known, however"<br /><br />I don't know if the whole Brock Lesnar thing works so well when you have to swim a mile in the ocean with your hands cuffed.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41575044690700687762011-05-04T13:36:59.263-07:002011-05-04T13:36:59.263-07:00"Oh, my. Judging from the list of Navy SEAL c..."Oh, my. Judging from the list of Navy SEAL casualties, they seem to be sorely lacking in Diversity. It's almost all white men, with one Asian."<br /><br />Maybe only the mediocore ones got shot?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27651127676779911772011-05-04T12:24:21.015-07:002011-05-04T12:24:21.015-07:00I have a relative by marriage who tried twice to g...I have a relative by marriage who tried twice to get into the Navy Seals. He just couldn't hack it. He is also one of the most muscular men I've every known, however, he is short. I tend to think that handicapped him. Anyway, him failing his goal made us appreciate the Navy Seals that much more because he is so powerfully strong.<br /><br />I looked at a lot of the pictures on the memorial site linked to above and most of the guys didn't stand out to me as being beefy, but rather normal-sized.Dahlianoreply@blogger.com