tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8238603979629389870..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Ugly Persian HousesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79704824863107717182012-12-27T10:55:45.696-08:002012-12-27T10:55:45.696-08:00Steve, you are fucking an idiot racist. Why do yo...Steve, you are fucking an idiot racist. Why do you care how other people’s houses look like any way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9079762840818730852012-12-27T10:54:11.007-08:002012-12-27T10:54:11.007-08:00Jealous much? Perhaps you all are very jealous be...Jealous much? Perhaps you all are very jealous because you can’t have a house like that. It’s their house and they can do whatever they want with it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32542598643449421812012-03-14T12:05:02.205-07:002012-03-14T12:05:02.205-07:00The houses look unproportional and wierd, but no w...The houses look unproportional and wierd, but no worse than most of the others built today. They are "post-modern" in that they take features that don't go together or are oversized and jam them together in an incongruous way. But most houses built today have that bizarre toy-like look. Don't see any reason to blame the persians for building their own version of post-modern fake "traditional"...robertwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31058343256508245712012-03-10T10:39:10.911-08:002012-03-10T10:39:10.911-08:00I heard a spot on the radio advertising a new real...I heard a spot on the radio advertising a new reality show called "The Shahs of Los Angeles" or something - about young, fashionable persians.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7209760388031793282012-03-08T17:26:41.458-08:002012-03-08T17:26:41.458-08:00"Some people may have thought I mispelled[sic...<i>"Some people may have thought I mispelled[sic] 'gaudy'. I did not. I was referring to the great Antonio."</i><br /><br />But you misspelled "misspelled".Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86271020682694947792012-03-08T15:51:58.300-08:002012-03-08T15:51:58.300-08:00The palaces in my corner of Sherman Oaks are Israe...The palaces in my corner of Sherman Oaks are Israeli, not Persian. Better looking (Downtown Disney as opposed to Teheran exurban) but shoddier construction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64891518799344045652012-03-08T08:19:57.425-08:002012-03-08T08:19:57.425-08:00"Frankly, for most things, I don't care i..."Frankly, for most things, I don't care if they are functional as long as they look functional."<br /><br />Are your walls unadorned? If you do hang artwork you either:<br /><br />1) have a soul, or<br /><br />2) are engaged in class war.<br /><br />Or both I suppose.<br /><br />PS: Some people may have thought I mispelled "gaudy". I did not. I was referring to the great <a href="http://www.gaudidesigner.com/uk/casa-batllo.html" rel="nofollow">Antonio.</a>idealartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74864119701271454032012-03-08T00:03:08.826-08:002012-03-08T00:03:08.826-08:00south park did a spoof of this exact trend, by the...south park did a spoof of this exact trend, by the way.<br /><br />http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s11e06-d-yikesjodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58026379562264765792012-03-07T20:17:39.016-08:002012-03-07T20:17:39.016-08:00"Columns don't have to do anything."...<i>"Columns don't have to do anything."</i><br /><br />No, but they do tend to look weird when they're just tacked on to a building. Breasts don't have to do anything, either, but I hear plenty of men complain about obviously fake, non-functional ones stuck on some poor woman's chest. Both columns and breasts tend to look better when they look like part of an organic whole. <br /><br /><i>"Plenty of ornamental things got started as functional objects. Insisting that functional things stay that way is stultifying."</i><br /><br />There's a difference between something that's still put somewhere even though it may no longer serves its original function and something put where you can easily see it would never serve any functional purpose in that place.<br /><br />I have a brass door knocker on my front door that no one ever uses because 1) I also have a doorbell and 2) I keep the storm door locked so the dogs can't escape. But I won't remove the brass door knocker just as I wouldn't put a brass knocker on, say, an interior door just to dress it up. The columns in the pictures I saw didn't look as though they were holding anything up so to me, they just looked silly.<br /><br /><i>"What about combat boots for people who live in cities or the burbs? Or camouflage patterns rendered non-functional and purely ornamental outside the jungle?"</i><br /><br />It looks stupid.<br /><br /><i>Some people take function too seriously."</i><br /><br />True, but I'm not one of them. I take design seriously. Frankly, for most things, I don't care if they are functional as long as they look functional. Of course, good design can also have playful, fanciful, non-functional elements to it, which is why I described the UPH as magnificently ugly. But tacked-on, non-functional excrescenses are not usually thought of as elements of good design.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43107471900067952052012-03-07T19:30:09.240-08:002012-03-07T19:30:09.240-08:00The kneejerk blasting of even slight ornamentation...<i> The kneejerk blasting of even slight ornamentation, and the hyperactive tone of voice, suggest a Puritanical and authoritarian streak.</i><br /><br />Please explain to us why Puritanical and/or authoritarian streaks are bad, Mr. Kultur Leftist. Don't merely say Puritanism and authoritarianism is bad, say why.<br /><br /><i>The buttons on the cuffs of most men's suits, jackets, and coats are totally non-functional. They once used to have functioning button-holes to fasten up the cuff, but now they're completely decorative.</i><br /><br />I once met anti-radical chic writer Tom Wolfe up close. He was wearing a canary yellow suit, including vest. His suit jacket had functioning button holes.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27923706469391222432012-03-07T19:18:44.974-08:002012-03-07T19:18:44.974-08:00Houses designed to scare Santa Claus away even in ...Houses designed to scare Santa Claus away even in low visibility conditions.<br /><br />Gawdy gold chains, huge bottles of cologne, track suits.<br /><br />The Shah's hostile elite arrived here en masse after the Ayatollas took over. They immediately bought a million gas stations. No media coverage at the time. I wonder how many savvy gold chain "refugees" are arriving now on our shores due to the Arab Spring.<br /><br />Diversity Sucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22913738948464915062012-03-07T17:01:25.088-08:002012-03-07T17:01:25.088-08:00So Henry Doelger's finally off the hook?So Henry Doelger's finally off the hook?alonzo portfolionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60631806354198511582012-03-07T16:58:00.440-08:002012-03-07T16:58:00.440-08:00Thanks for the Isherwood piece. The Horizon people...Thanks for the Isherwood piece. The Horizon people referred to that (month's?) issue as "the number," a usage I've never seen before.helene edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23950495926509219882012-03-07T14:19:02.274-08:002012-03-07T14:19:02.274-08:00These look like the same homes that many affluent ...<i>These look like the same homes that many affluent Irsaeli's build.</i><br /><br />No way. Anybody who built a home like that in Israel would be considered to have "Arab taste" (a grievous insult).IHTGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543091238926738309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20961366469630991182012-03-07T13:40:42.009-08:002012-03-07T13:40:42.009-08:00“I bet that Alexander the Great's guys already...“I bet that Alexander the Great's guys already thought of the Persians as gaudy.”<br /><br />After Marathon and Plataea, the Greeks made a fortune taking gold jewelry from the Persian corpses. And yes the Greek perceived the Persian use of gold/silk to be gaudy and unmanly.<br /><br />Herodotus writes:<br /><br />“the Greeks dispersed themselves about the Persian camp and found tents furnished with gold and silver, and beds overlaid with gold and overlaid with silver, and mixing-bowls of gold, and cups and drinking vessels [i.e., rhytons]. They found also sacks laid upon wagons, in which there proved to be caldrons both of gold and of silver; and from the dead bodies which lay there they stripped bracelets and collars, and also their swords if they were of gold”<br /><br /><br />“I thought non-Ashkenazi Jews were all basically of average intelligence.”<br /><br />Since to my knowledge no one has I.Q tested Iranian Jews, we simply don’t know. Murray is probably right and Cochrane wrong about non-Ashkenazi Jews. <br /><br />According to Census, among Iranians living in L.A. 24% have Graduate or Professional degrees compared to 10% for the U.S average. Due to selection, this group almost certainly has above average I.Q. <br /><br />The only quibble I have with Sailer’s review is that he doesn’t point out that “A Seperation” is, ever so gently, a subversive movie which criticizes the regime (by showing how hard day to day life is for middle class people, and by showing Islam in a negative light). This is an important reason why Iranians like the movie. <br /><br />/VictarionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81657618795520882032012-03-07T12:23:28.308-08:002012-03-07T12:23:28.308-08:00Columns don't have to do anything. Plenty of o...Columns don't have to do anything. Plenty of ornamental things got started as functional objects. Insisting that functional things stay that way is stultifying.<br /><br />Not that some of those purposeless columns don't look weird in their arrangement, but most of the pictures don't.<br /><br />The buttons on the cuffs of most men's suits, jackets, and coats are totally non-functional. They once used to have functioning button-holes to fasten up the cuff, but now they're completely decorative.<br /><br />Same thing with shoulder straps on a jacket or coat -- it used to hold military decoration, or keep the over-the-shoulder part of a Sam Browne belt from riding up onto the neck. Now they're decorative only.<br /><br />What about combat boots for people who live in cities or the burbs? Or camouflage patterns rendered non-functional and purely ornamental outside the jungle?<br /><br />Some people take function too seriously.agnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967177967469961883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25107348668091788652012-03-07T12:08:42.498-08:002012-03-07T12:08:42.498-08:00my house has nonweigh-baring columns. they look gr...my house has nonweigh-baring columns. they look great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55662629880425666492012-03-07T10:17:31.802-08:002012-03-07T10:17:31.802-08:00"there is no frozen in time version of LA. or..."there is no frozen in time version of LA. or any city."<br /><br />I know what you're saying, but there are older areas of LA that have lots of greenery and Spanish Revival buildings. Some small parts of Glendale, Pasadena and Hollywood do actually seem frozen in time.Carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31720850616552987172012-03-07T08:59:14.286-08:002012-03-07T08:59:14.286-08:00"The kneejerk blasting of even slight ornamen..."The kneejerk blasting of even slight ornamentation, and the hyperactive tone of voice, suggest a Puritanical and authoritarian streak. Again they never say what their idea of nice buildings are, but you can be sure that they wouldn't look "charming".<br /><br />I've been following this Persian House blog for some time, and sometimes I feel guilty that I really don't get why they are supposed to be so "ugly." Some are. Too much extraneous matter that has no function. Way too busy, busy, busy. And definitely too much of a muchness. Still, there is a gaudy beauty to some. Victorian gingerbread, and other fancy-pants architectural styles have been held in derision for their overdoneness. This quasi-Persian style actuall sort of fits stylistically in this mileu. 100 yrs from now, should they escape vengeful wrecking crews, they'll be in demand and protected as historic residences.<br />Give me UPHs over the US interpretation of Bauhaus anyday. The U.S. hasn't had a strong aesthetic architecture since Art Decco. Where I live, in the past 25 yrs, they have been using some elements of that to make the new buildings more interesting, more something on which the eye would wish to linger in appreciation and contemplation. <br />I wonder what the locals had to say about the temples in Athens when they first went up? Ruining the neighborhood with those fancy schmancy columns, yada yada yada.Charlottenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48635355079062088422012-03-07T08:35:06.056-08:002012-03-07T08:35:06.056-08:00I've been dealing with some of these monstrosi...I've been dealing with some of these monstrosities in the DC area. Dolphin fountains everywhere. The problem with these homes, besides their aesthetic hideousness, is that they will never be re-sold once they are foreclosed. Most of these homes are in older, modest suburbs and no normal person will buy these giant 800,000 dollar houses surrounded by traditional 450,000 dollar houses.<br /><br />These homes prior to being foreclosed on were always occupied by Mestizo or SE Asian Clans.Davisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46748389878417931012012-03-07T08:11:36.251-08:002012-03-07T08:11:36.251-08:00When I first looked at the UP yellow house and the...When I first looked at the UP yellow house and the UP condo, I didn't like them at all. The second time, I realized that I didn't like the oddly shaped arches over either entrance or the color of the stucco. To my eye these are design flaws ruining what are otherwise beautiful structures. <br /><br />I have decided that when I win the lottery I'll purchase both buildings make the relatively quick fixes that will make them stunning and sell them to non Iranian Jews for a substantial profit. The yellow house would be easiest. Simply make the arch above the entry level with the roofline and and paint the facade a more subtle color, light brown for instance. The arch could also be reconstructed so that it has the same curve as the upstairs windows. The condo intrigues me most, however. It looks like someone's unfortunate mix of gothic cathedral and adobe mission. Yet the only renovations necessary would be to remove that misshapen trefoil above the entrance and to paint the terra cotta parts the same shade of grey as the background on those patterned sections. What you'd be left with would be closer to the gothic cathedral while also being very modern.dogzmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12150594676883791552012-03-07T08:08:34.428-08:002012-03-07T08:08:34.428-08:00Just imagine what happens to those Persian condo b...Just imagine what happens to those Persian condo buildings 50 years from now when they're not maintained very well anymore, and turn into low-income NAM housing...Camlostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12630230399690644162012-03-07T08:05:27.069-08:002012-03-07T08:05:27.069-08:00"IMO, Berlin has really screwed up Leipziger ...<i>"IMO, Berlin has really screwed up Leipziger Platz."</i><br /><br />Good god, yes. That is truly horrible, far worse than the UPH, which are ugly in a rather magnificent way. The latter look playful, as though they were designed in Legos by a hyperactive child. The Berlin crap, by contrast, is horrid in a humorless, soulless Le Corbusier "machines for living" way. Truly horrible. I can't even joke about it, the crime is too serious.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60441785844777028782012-03-07T06:39:11.846-08:002012-03-07T06:39:11.846-08:00I've only been to LA twice but these buildings...I've only been to LA twice but these buildings don't see so out of place from my recolections.<br /><br />Where did you get your demographic data? Everything I've read about Tehrangeles indicates they are mostly Muslim or former/irreligious Muslims. Other fringe religions (Mizrahi, Bahai, Christians) are just a small fraction.Lisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63425159124313274032012-03-07T06:30:46.385-08:002012-03-07T06:30:46.385-08:00Heh. In NJ it's Indians. They build saffron-...Heh. In NJ it's Indians. They build saffron-colored stucco palaces next to white clapboard farmhouses.<br /><br />East Indians. You knew that.Ellinoreply@blogger.com