tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8410289550462899632..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT: The Yellow Peril threatening Harvard's campus culture: or why two Wongs don't make a White in the Ivy LeagueUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26516469926775367642012-12-25T17:54:08.571-08:002012-12-25T17:54:08.571-08:00"Hey guess what Bubba, if your kind starts di...<i>"Hey guess what Bubba, if your kind starts discriminating because they can't compete against us, we'll just up and move and go somewhere that wants to have a competitive edge."</i><br /><br />Please do so. Leave, that is. We'll just have to suffer without you. You can see from your post that you should not be a US citizen, it's just going to lead to trouble. Also, it's not clear that anything you (or your group) claims to have achieved is due to your own merit or is an act of AA, a hail mary hope to find someone with dark/black skin who can provide US blacks with a role model and enable the AA-imposers to point and say, "See! That black one's okay!"<br /><br />You might actually be brilliant, but one can never tell for sure these days and the more experience one gets the more what you describe (all the dept heads!) is usually the government's effort to make AA Halmark cards. Other stuff, like merit, is way secondary.<br /><br />The world is a big place, look forward to the future. On the off-chance that you are bitter about this discussion being in English, about modern technology being developed in the West, and about the history of colonialism in relation to whatever your land of origin, please don't try to impose your bitterness on us or make it our problem. We've got enough problems of our own. Let's see you do a good job taking care of yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69975671450491305512012-12-25T08:23:38.913-08:002012-12-25T08:23:38.913-08:00Ivy schools already have way too many Asians. how ...<i>Ivy schools already have way too many Asians. how many whites go to u. of Tokyo? Shanghai?</i><br /><br />And don't forget the fact that degrees from U of Tokyo or Shanghai are far less valuable than degrees from the Ivy League. I think the best way to ensure reciprocity is to express things in terms of dollars. No, allowing an American immigrant into China does not reciprocate for allowing a Chinese immigrant into America, because the dollar value of the former is far lower than that of the latter.<br /><br /><i>I have a headache already and it's only 5 minutes into your idiotic system.</i><br /><br />Don't worry, we'll work it out. And every system we have on the table excludes <i>you</i>.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24046479927876715642012-12-24T16:50:15.123-08:002012-12-24T16:50:15.123-08:00"But there's nothing better than being a ..."But there's nothing better than being a 6 who is also very bright and driven. For such people the sky is the limit (Obama)."<br /><br />As has been pointed out here countless times (are you new?), B.O. is not "bright" at all, much less "very bright." If he were "bright" (maybe you the teleprompter is bright) -- he wouldn't hide his academic past, he would have actually written a few words on the law, as editors of the Harvard Law Review (normally) are wont to do; or he would have actually taught something at the law school in Chicago, instead of being despised by his fellow professors as a lazy do-nothing.<br />As for "driven" -- I can't even see that, he's so laze. Watches more sports and plays more golf than any president on record. Even Bush II gave up golf in respect for the troops. B.O. gives up nothing for anyone if he can help. Can't talk about anything except the blackness of his self and his reputed father. God what an empty headed nothing.<br />And no, he is not "driven." Others drive. He's passively complicit, and along for the ride. The media is there to make sure he doesn't become totally useless weight.Chloenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14167593547245658132012-12-24T02:49:05.629-08:002012-12-24T02:49:05.629-08:00The Legendary Linda:
No one deviates more from a 6...The Legendary Linda:<br /><i>No one deviates more from a 6 than East Asians (who are a 0), which is why they achieve less money and power than would be expected given their high IQ and conscientiousness.</i><br /><br />Poor old Native Americans at -1 or so....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91303342269879516052012-12-24T02:03:56.629-08:002012-12-24T02:03:56.629-08:00The point here is that the people who started the ...<i>The point here is that the people who started the Ivy League universities</i><br /><br />are a long time dead and they are currently run by Jewish people who seem mainly fixed on recruiting more Jewish people, if you check what Unz's data actually says.<br /><br />Under Unz's data:<br /><br />A half-Jewish half Asian guy who declares as White and Jewish has an advantage, and is disadvantaged by declaring as Asian.<br /><br />A half-"Gentile" half Asian guy who declares as White and a Gentile has an disadvantage, and is advantaged by declaring as Asian.<br /><br />Interesting, hmm? It's what the bulk of the article is about and exactly what Razib Khan and Steve Hsu, for example, completely gloss over.Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15919932750037631822012-12-23T23:40:50.676-08:002012-12-23T23:40:50.676-08:00"So I guess if you're Irish or German and...<i>"So I guess if you're Irish or German and your ancestors came over in the 19th century, no dice - Notre Dame or Georgetown for you..."</i><br /><br />Interesting that you mention two Catholic schools. In your view are Catholic schools allowed to insist that a large share of their students are Catholic? Is Howard allowed to insist that a large share of its students are black? Is the University of Texas allowed to insist that a large share of its students are Texans? Are Ma and Pa Smith allowed to insist that their savings fund their son, Billy Smith, rather than, oh, Krishna Patel?<br /><br />Under your idiotic system the answer to all of these questions would be "no."Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67085666409519547212012-12-23T23:35:20.999-08:002012-12-23T23:35:20.999-08:00"So Harvard and Yale are just for members of ...<i>"So Harvard and Yale are just for members of the Mayflower Society?..."</i><br /><br />Not really the point. The point is that it's for these <i>private</i> universities to decide. Otherwise what's the point in being private? If they decide they want to limit the percentage of Asians at their school then so be it.<br /><br />In my view, Harvard is not a public accomodation.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57309829813436476042012-12-23T21:32:38.410-08:002012-12-23T21:32:38.410-08:00"Why do all these asians want to go to these ..."Why do all these asians want to go to these white schools? If they were allowed to take over a school then it would become another asian school that asians dont want to go to, just like all those ones back home in asia." - Social networks and status. They know better than anyone else what its like to live in a knowledge based economy: Who you know is how much you get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5455601017774861882012-12-23T18:55:20.646-08:002012-12-23T18:55:20.646-08:00" Ivy schools already have way too many As..." Ivy schools already have way too many Asians. how many whites go to u. of Tokyo? Shanghai?<br /><br /> 12/22/12 6:57 PM<br />Anonymous Anonymous said...<br /><br /> @Thomas Ye<br /><br /> Foreign students are over-privileged dimwits all of the time. The black kid is preferable if only because he isn't the bored son of some third-rate Saudi Prince looking to do something other than rape South Asian guest workers and trip on ecstasy."<br /><br /><br />Nice reply. Unfortunately it was in no way a reply to anything that I wrote about.Thomas Yenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2017401002597859062012-12-23T18:17:20.715-08:002012-12-23T18:17:20.715-08:00....free to attend all the universities in America.......free to attend all the universities in America they founded themselves.<br /><br />So Harvard and Yale are just for members of the Mayflower Society? So I guess if you're Irish or German and your ancestors came over in the 19th century, no dice - Notre Dame or Georgetown for you (unless your people were Protestants, I guess). Or maybe Germans and Irish are OK but Jews and Italians - no way. Where do the French and Belgians fit in? What American universities did they found? What if you are 1/2 Pilgrim and 1/2 Catholic - do you go to Harvard for 2 years and then transfer to Georgetown? I have a headache already and it's only 5 minutes into your idiotic system. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60519349640824020522012-12-23T17:05:14.006-08:002012-12-23T17:05:14.006-08:00"The point here is we don't want the Asia...<i>"The point here is we don't want the Asia to Harvard pipeline displacing Americans, whether they test better or not."</i><br /><br />The point here is that the people who started the Ivy League universities don't have to justify their admissions policies to anyone. Asian-Americans are free to attend all the universities in America they founded themselves, like that one in Cali...no wait, like that one in Massa...no wait, like that one in Ala...no wait, like that one on Washin...no wait, like that one in Neva...oh damn, I can't really think of any. Well I'm sure there are one or two.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52586470592056982442012-12-23T14:45:56.509-08:002012-12-23T14:45:56.509-08:00Re: But, in the long run, Harvard will get away wi...Re: But, in the long run, Harvard will get away with lots of stuff that FDNY wouldn't dream of trying, because it's Harvard.<br /><br />Yes, and maybe if the Republicans identified their enemies (institutions of higher ed) with their potential friends (white blue collar workers) and actually imposed the former's own policies upon them, while slackening them in the case of the latter, they might win elections.<br /><br />You never know...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41738028478127083772012-12-23T10:09:23.585-08:002012-12-23T10:09:23.585-08:00A few time Sailer has suggest that in 21st century...A few time Sailer has suggest that in 21st century America it's advantageous to be black (all else being equal). I would revise this hypothesis to say in 21st century America, it's advantageous to be mulatto (all else being equal). This is the optimum racial status; black enough to benefit from affirmative action, tokenism and white guilt, but white enough to avoid racism, stereotypes and colorism. <br /><br />The majority of African Americans who make it to the top of American life (Obama. Powell, Condi Rice, Eric Holder, Valarie Jarret, Mohammed Ali) seem mulatto rather than black. While this is partly because mulattoes tend to be brighter than blacks, that's probably not the full story. <br /><br />For actual blacks to make it to the top, they have to be spectacularly talented (Oprah, Chris Rock, Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan, Alan Keyes) or make cosmetic changes (Michael Jackson) or adopt white friendly politics (Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes)<br /><br />The further one deviates from the optimum racial status of mulatto (in either direction) the more barriers to success one faces. So just as dark skinned African Americans are too black to rise to the absolute top of America, East Asians face discrimination because they are too white if you will (i.e. too cold climate adapted).<br /><br /> On a scale of (functional) genetic distance, where pure negroids are a 10, and East Asians are a 0, whites are about a 3 and mulattoes are about 6. 6 is the optimum number and the further you deviate from 6 (in either direction) the harder it will be too succeed in 21st century America. No one deviates more from a 6 than East Asians (who are a 0), which is why they achieve less money and power than would be expected given their high IQ and conscientiousness. Ashkenazi Jews are probably a 4 (given the middle east's genetic affinity to sub-Sahara) and the combination of being both smarter than white gentiles but not being too white, translates into enormous wealth.<br /><br />But there's nothing better than being a 6 who is also very bright and driven. For such people the sky is the limit (Obama).The Legendary Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37650384512431867182012-12-23T09:33:31.983-08:002012-12-23T09:33:31.983-08:00Asians have dominated academically (Westinghouse/I...Asians have dominated academically (Westinghouse/Intel, etc.) since at least the late 80s, but they have not had the kind of cultural or economic impact you would expect from such performance. Whatever the merits or demerits of their admissions policies, they appear to be headed in the right direction vis-a-vis Asian applicants.<br /><br />Their discrimination against non-Jewish whites, OTOH, is probably more significant. Given an Asian student and a non-Jewish white student with similar test scores and GPAs, the white student is probably far more likely to go on to do something of cultural, economic, political, or even scientific importance.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83679424159907158452012-12-23T08:41:20.663-08:002012-12-23T08:41:20.663-08:00The point here is we don't want the Asia to Ha...The point here is we don't want the Asia to Harvard pipeline displacing Americans, whether they test better or not.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7190183225436396462012-12-23T08:10:46.373-08:002012-12-23T08:10:46.373-08:00Elite universities right now are like vaudeville t...Elite universities right now are like vaudeville theaters at the dawn of the TV era or weekly news magazines at the dawn of the internet - they are dead men walking. Right now they have a commodity that is still valued and they get to play all kinds of fun and unfair exclusion games like every other club in history. (Ivy schools reject something like 9 out of 10 applicants). But that's all about to change.<br /><br />My daughter is just back from her 1st semester at MIT. Here is a data point - she says that a lot of the kids don't bother to attend the live lectures anymore. Instead they watch the recorded lectures on their laptops. These lectures are available not just to MIT students but to everyone on earth thru the Open Courseware system. Not only are the recorded lectures more convenient but they usually record the best professor teaching that course, who is often better than the guy currently teaching the course live. <br /><br />There used to be a whole network of vaudeville theaters in every city in America. If you wanted to hear a comedian or a singer, you had to go to one of those theaters. There were thousands of mostly mediocre acts plus a few stars. Then TV was invented and a handful of the very best vaudeville players made the transition and everyone in America could watch George Burns or Milton Berle in their living room. And thousands of mediocre comedians and singers had to open liquor stores and dry cleaners because all the vaudeville theaters closed.<br /><br />Someone (who is going to make a LOT of money off of this) just has to figure out how to close the loop and offer a verifiable credential and some ancillary services to go with the lectures. You'll watch the lectures on your computer and go to a local Kaplan center or something like that to take the exams. Kaplan will also hire excess PhDs to act as teaching assistants, offer "office hours", etc. You could get a superstar quality education for maybe 10 or 20% of what an Ivy degree costs today. Right there in Iowa and without any stinky exclusionary games.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64314287804428386072012-12-23T06:46:47.050-08:002012-12-23T06:46:47.050-08:00The people in charge of DARPA offices are guys (an...The people in charge of DARPA offices are guys (and women) with names like Woodbury, Bailey, Tompkins<br /><br />http://www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/STO/Personnel/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28210686550583352022012-12-23T03:01:47.723-08:002012-12-23T03:01:47.723-08:00"Did you know 1/4 of the dept heads at DARPA ..."Did you know 1/4 of the dept heads at DARPA are Indians?"<br /><br />And 100% of those departments staffs ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57137066642612230642012-12-23T02:52:34.243-08:002012-12-23T02:52:34.243-08:00That's horseshit. Brighter and more knowledgea...<i>That's horseshit. Brighter and more knowledgeable students bring alot more to the discussion than dimwits. </i><br /><br />I wouldn't read it that he's saying those skills are useless per se, just that discussions between two rather unimaginative, uncommunicative, low trust, conventional and low self confidence high IQ persons, for example, would not yield useful results. Which I think is not a bad contention.<br /><br />However, like Steve is saying here, there is a lot of difficulty is testing the ability to of individuals to contribute to group work.<br /><br />Take last year's "Group IQ" study which found that the only useful predictor in the quality of group problem solving was not the presence of high IQ individuals <b>but the number of women in the group</b>.<br /><br />And this is solving <b>real IQ test problems like the Raven's</b>, which are treated as the gold standard for g, not some kind of irrelevant problems.<br /><br />But this obviously <b>does not replicate</b> in the real world - <i>society would have noticed if a group of 5 women just had a way simpler time working out e.g. the mechanics for an unfamiliar mechanism or maths problem than a group of 5 men, or if 5 low iq women had an easier time planning a resourcing exercise than 5 high iq men.</i><br /><br />Normal individual IQ tests (which the SAT is really like) are vulnerable to motivation and other situational issues (there is research that found money rewards affects final score within a group, in non-equal ways, i.e. some participants scored relatively higher within group when offered cash rewards) but any group IQ tests are obviously going to be much worse in this regard.<br /><br />So while there might be a contention that Asians of IQ level X have worse social and team abilities than Whites of IQ level X (their societies have some social quirks like extreme levels or at least very different patterns of rudeness and rule boundness and often don't seem to coordinate that well, intellectually), it's hard to demonstrate and even if we had some kind of group IQ type measure, we'd still hear a cry that it was due to team circumstances towards Asians (and it would very difficult to be that confident that this was not the case, even if that wouldn't be a particularly favored hypothesis).Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28207922431214464542012-12-22T20:45:33.840-08:002012-12-22T20:45:33.840-08:00Witness the arrogance of some Asiatic immigrants t...Witness the arrogance of some Asiatic immigrants to the United States and their disdain for the American people:<br /><br /><i>Actually, your comment proves the lack of reading comprehension or understanding of simple stats by some of you "European derived peoples".<br /><br />If you read and understood the article, you would realize that Asians would be represented even more-so in the top 10 if little Billy didn't get in with his oh so pedestrian 2100 SAT score. End white affirmative-action!<br /><br />Ok enough of this, I have to tend to my butler.</i><br /><br />--Raji Raj<br /><br />And this:<br /><br /><i>Hey guess what Bubba, if your kind starts discriminating because they can't compete against us, we'll just up and move and go somewhere that wants to have a competitive edge. You start turning on your best and brightest immigrants, then all your industries that depend on these individuals will crumble. Think Silicon Valley, medicine, NASA, etc. Did you know 1/4 of the dept heads at DARPA are Indians?<br /><br />Now back to what you misunderstood - if we let meritocracy take place, there would be EVEN MORE Asians at these schools, understand?<br /><br />Ok, now I must leave for some beauty rest.</i><br /><br />--Raji Raj<br /><br />http://www.businessinsider.com/ivy-league-discriminates-against-asians-2012-12?pundits_only=0&get_all_comments=1#comment-50d3ae4369bedd741100000fAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2630838203015178842012-12-22T20:26:53.519-08:002012-12-22T20:26:53.519-08:00Bugarin may be Jewish, his name a namesake of the ...Bugarin may be Jewish, his name a namesake of the Bukharin Jews of Central Asia, denoting a descendent of that group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60695587353570824702012-12-22T19:49:35.883-08:002012-12-22T19:49:35.883-08:00Why do all these asians want to go to these white ...Why do all these asians want to go to these white schools? If they were allowed to take over a school then it would become another asian school that asians dont want to go to, just like all those ones back home in asia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12663528413226628782012-12-22T18:58:54.225-08:002012-12-22T18:58:54.225-08:00@Thomas Ye
Foreign students are over-privileged d...@Thomas Ye<br /><br />Foreign students are over-privileged dimwits all of the time. The black kid is preferable if only because he isn't the bored son of some third-rate Saudi Prince looking to do something other than rape South Asian guest workers and trip on ecstasy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48394826811376949472012-12-22T18:57:24.842-08:002012-12-22T18:57:24.842-08:00Ivy schools already have way too many Asians. how...Ivy schools already have way too many Asians. how many whites go to u. of Tokyo? Shanghai?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3040627541261438172012-12-22T18:34:52.171-08:002012-12-22T18:34:52.171-08:00The Harvard admissions committee clearly doesn'...The Harvard admissions committee clearly doesn't believe that two Wongs make a Wright.DaveinHackensackhttp://www.thehackensack.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com