tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post848871128209686043..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "The Most Hated College Basketball Players of the Last 30 Years"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62893448226660214582013-03-22T10:59:26.538-07:002013-03-22T10:59:26.538-07:00The idea that there's something hateful about ...<i>The idea that there's something hateful about less genetically gifted college basketball players succeeding in college basketball through work ethic and teamwork is a popular but curious one.</i><br /><br />Well true, there's nothing hateful about them. But people tend to dislike players who star in college or are hyped in college but underperform relative to their college reputation in the NBA. It's the dislike for the "overrated" player. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38295143619647495242013-03-22T04:55:14.473-07:002013-03-22T04:55:14.473-07:00Troofie, why didn't Thompson recruit Bobby Hur...Troofie, why didn't Thompson recruit Bobby Hurley? He'd have been perfect for Georgetown: a relentless defender, up-tempo point guard and a moron.<br /><br />Mr. Lomez, the brothers resent NO ONE more than Bird, and I think it's because he COULD showtime with the best of them.<br /><br />But Troofie's right about Whiskey's comment. Here in racist Boston, it seems the paler the skin, the more interest in the NCAAs. At my lily-white gym I had to threaten a couple 20-somethings with violence to get one of the TVs switched to the Bruins game. Hockey is the flip side, where the biggest whiny punk in the NHL is the black kid from Montreal, who runs away when the gloves drop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52936664523496228192013-03-22T00:00:15.173-07:002013-03-22T00:00:15.173-07:00I vaguely know a basketball player on a college te...I vaguely know a basketball player on a college team that just won an NCAA tournament game. He's happy to be playing college basketball and getting a scholarship to go to a nice college. That he knows he's not an NBA-level talent doesn't somehow invalidate what success he's had in college basketball, Just as that Vince Young didn't make it as an NFL quarterback doesn't mean he didn't deserve to be the MVP of the two Rose Bowls he won. Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51768835399480490462013-03-21T23:39:15.056-07:002013-03-21T23:39:15.056-07:00Ha, Truth is on fire.
I think there's a bit ...Ha, Truth is on fire. <br /><br />I think there's a bit of an anti-white guy thing going on. But the commentators here are sounding like mainstream conservatives/leftists. Race is just one factor of many when it comes to what players are liked or hated, just as race always matters to some degree in everything. But it probably matters less in sports than it does just about anywhere else.HARnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36163331824768587522013-03-21T22:51:35.573-07:002013-03-21T22:51:35.573-07:00"racist John Thompson, who believed there was..."racist John Thompson, who believed there was no white kid in America good enough to play for his teams."<br /><br />That's a lie, he heavilly recruited Mark Price, and Christian Laetner, they decided to go elsewhere. Danny Ferry said he was only going to play in the ACC. He had a fair number of white players on scholarship during his tenure ate Georgetown, they just didn't excel at his trapping, pressing style of play.<br /><br />http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_white_players_played_under_John_Thompson_Sr_at_GeorgetownTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80877661137125496842013-03-21T22:45:55.315-07:002013-03-21T22:45:55.315-07:00"The idea that there's something hateful ...<i>"The idea that there's something hateful about less genetically gifted college basketball players succeeding in college basketball through work ethic and teamwork is a popular but curious one."</i><br /><br />Curious until you consider basketball's cultural context. "Work ethic" and "teamwork" aren't exactly hallmarks of the hip-hop ethos.<br /><br />Mr Lomezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07043467547490085497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39785472660472206932013-03-21T22:44:47.233-07:002013-03-21T22:44:47.233-07:00"I don't know any of these guys. I'd ..."I don't know any of these guys. I'd say that "hate" of College Basketball White players is a function of White fans mostly moving to NASCAR, or Baseball, or Hockey, or WoW, leaving nothing but Black and Mexican guys."<br /><br />Oh, so the Laker starting five makes $87 million a year off "nothing but black and Mexican guys?"<br /><br />Whiskey, it's a large statement, but you may just be the dumbest Cat god ever gave life. Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11524129844797774312013-03-21T22:40:42.616-07:002013-03-21T22:40:42.616-07:00Shawn Bradley was mocked and ridiculed not only be...Shawn Bradley was mocked and ridiculed not only because he was white, but because, and mainly because, he was different from NBA players in Every conceivable way. He was an 18=year old white Mormon from Utah who was 7-6 and weighed 200 lbs. and he looked...gawkey. <br /><br /><br />There have been a lot of busts in the NBA who are black as well, but the reason that white guys are all ridiculed more is that every one of them confirms the stereotype of the bad, white player, and it is not only a stereotype, because it seems, in EVERY draft, there is a Montross, a Curley, a Fredette, a Morisson, etc. etc. etc, or even a Bargnani type who puts up decent numbers on a god awful team.<br /><br />Black players are not associated with a stereotype of black players being bad, because there is no such stereotpye. <br /><br />It's no different that the way you clowns extrapolate a black man doing something wrong to every black man in America being a loser, now, is it? <br /><br />Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88093941789110973572013-03-21T22:30:44.818-07:002013-03-21T22:30:44.818-07:00"here's shawn bradley's best season: ..."here's shawn bradley's best season: 13 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks. that was his average, for a SEASON. has hasheem thabeet even done that ONE TIME?"<br /><br />The problem is, Shawn Bradley never did that for a season ONE TIME either. As usual you are lying.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69896376453855257232013-03-21T22:25:00.272-07:002013-03-21T22:25:00.272-07:00"Then they came for me, but because street cr..."Then they came for me, but because street crime and White collar crime was down 95% they were so happy that they decided to forget about me and so they left me alone...."<br /><br />...And I was able to complete my 16 hour days of forced landscaping labor on the golf courses in peace...Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20919347523215062562013-03-21T22:20:04.482-07:002013-03-21T22:20:04.482-07:00"Black genetics forms only about 10% of the a..."Black genetics forms only about 10% of the ancestral-pool of the Duke bracket. (Parents of the players: 14 Whites and 2 Black-Americans [assuming the Black-Americans have 80%-Black-genetics], i.e. .125*.8, equals 10%)."<br /><br />dude, I think a nice, time-consuming hobby is in order.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9941787883083556102013-03-21T22:18:20.745-07:002013-03-21T22:18:20.745-07:00"Calling Bill Curley and Eric Montross stiffs..."Calling Bill Curley and Eric Montross stiffs is absurd,"<br /><br />In the NBA they were stiffs.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87091713326634978362013-03-21T22:02:16.330-07:002013-03-21T22:02:16.330-07:00The idea that there's something hateful about ...The idea that there's something hateful about less genetically gifted college basketball players succeeding in college basketball through work ethic and teamwork is a popular but curious one.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37960214962613979842013-03-21T21:58:07.815-07:002013-03-21T21:58:07.815-07:00Most Duke stars, black and white, have underperfor...Most Duke stars, black and white, have underperformed in the NBA relative to their success and hype in college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54143690190774879362013-03-21T21:15:54.896-07:002013-03-21T21:15:54.896-07:00Karl Malone was not very popular or considered coo...Karl Malone was not very popular or considered cool even though he was one of the greatest players of all time. Duncan is another great player who is not that popular or considered cool. <br /><br />After his deal with LA Gear, Malone had an shoe endorsement deal with APEX shoes, a shoe company nobody has ever heard of:<br /><br />http://solecollector.com/news/pe-spotlight-karl-malone-s-apex-mailman-shoes/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73536161773229833662013-03-21T20:37:25.601-07:002013-03-21T20:37:25.601-07:00Story about Grant Hill's background:
When his...Story about Grant Hill's background:<br /><br />When his father, Calvin Hill, was at Yale in the 1960s, the other football players looked to him as their leader in their search for easy classes. On the first day of classes, Calvin Hill led a pack a football players into the back of a class. They looked around uneasily trying to decide, until Hill said (AFAIK), "Look, there's George Bush! He's taking it, so it's got to be a joke class."Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49563115937576551052013-03-21T17:24:27.056-07:002013-03-21T17:24:27.056-07:00You're right. Karl Malone was so popular that ...You're right. Karl Malone was so popular that despite being the 2nd highest scorer of ALL TIME, his biggest endorsement deal was with LA Gear.<br /><br />Tim Duncan, too, is so beloved that <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2003/06/the_7foot_square.html" rel="nofollow">Slate wrote ran this article</a> explaining why Michael Finley (who?) sold more jerseys than Duncan did during the Spurs second run at the NBA Finals.<br /><br />And anyway, the point stands: nobody hates white players because they're white. They hate white players who can't 360 reverse dunk or throw behind the back alley oops. But any white guy with a little street in him (Chris Mullen, say), or a little jazz (Ricky Rubio), will be embraced with open arms.<br /><br />Even a buffoon like Brian Scalabrine will get some love if he's got a good personality.Mr Lomezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07043467547490085497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49363321968207516392013-03-21T16:49:07.055-07:002013-03-21T16:49:07.055-07:00Some of the most hated on that bracket chart are u...Some of the most hated on that bracket chart are understandable. Like Adam Morrison. Morrison started crying on the court after UCLA went ahead by 1 pt. with 2 seconds left in the Sweet 16 game. The after the buzzer sounded and the game ended, he collapsed in the middle of the court and kept crying. Then he made this commercial:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NoeH_RkmcA<br /><br />He was drafted 3rd by the Charlotte Bobcats - incidentally, Michael Jordan made the decision to draft Morrison and said that "Adam Morrison is the future." Jordan has been a terrible manager and executive in his post-retirement career. Morrison ended up being a huge flop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31885921499363977792013-03-21T16:31:36.825-07:002013-03-21T16:31:36.825-07:00Lomez, read closer. White audiences had no problem...Lomez, read closer. White audiences had no problem with Malone or Duncan. And by the way, what did Birdman Andersen subvert, besides good taste? helene edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13721899558960105452013-03-21T14:36:00.945-07:002013-03-21T14:36:00.945-07:00"What it might boil down to is that basketbal...<i>"What it might boil down to is that basketball is perceived to be about grace and style, and most guys on that list are perceived to lack it."</i><br /><br />This point nails it. How could anyone possibly argue that sports fans hold a special animus for white players due to PC coding, or whatever asinine logic you want to apply? What a joke. Really, Shaun Bradley was vilified? Was he treated any better or worse than Greg Oden? Kwame Brown? Manute Bol? These comments are as juvenile and ill-founded as any microaggression witch hunt.<br /><br />In ALL sports, fans seek out those players who best embody the physical ideals of that sport. In basketball, those ideals happen to be those which are perfectly suited for African genes: the unique combination of length, explosive strength, and improvisational agility. Not to mention that basketball, because of its natural fit for Africans, has largely adopted the black urban culture, which itself values bravado, style over substance, and free-form over structure. Hence, the objection to slow, scrappy, intellectual players like Wojo, who disrupt the natural flow of the game.<br /><br />If anything, fans will go out of there way to embrace a white player who subverts these racial expectations. See: Jason "White Chocolate" Williams, Chris "Birdman" Andersen, or even in the old days a flashy scorer like Pistol Pete.<br /><br />On the other hand, as has been noted, black players who don't fit this ideal, like Karl Malone or Tim Duncan, receive the same antagonism as their white equals. Mr Lomezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07043467547490085497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65906685442000471782013-03-21T13:00:26.740-07:002013-03-21T13:00:26.740-07:00racist John Thompson, who believed there was no wh...<i>racist John Thompson, who believed there was no white kid in America good enough to play for his teams.</i> <br /><br />That's actually refreshingly candid, unlike the Stanford track coach who insisted he'd find the "great white sprinter," and told me to get back under "the rock you crawled out from" when I told him it couldn't be done. mel bellinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13975838729046593712013-03-21T12:22:55.427-07:002013-03-21T12:22:55.427-07:00they never ridiculed the goofy, clumsy, or just pl...<i>they never ridiculed the goofy, clumsy, or just plain bad black players with nearly as much verve or ardor</i><br /><br />Greg Anthony's going to be a U.S. Senator!"not a hackernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17235834457577135542013-03-21T11:23:53.683-07:002013-03-21T11:23:53.683-07:00Being really into college basketball at the time, ...<i>Being really into college basketball at the time, I thought alot of the Shawn Bradley hate was the fact he got a monster NBA contract for essentially being 7'6".</i><br /><br />He wasn't just mediocre as a center, he was mediocre as a super-giant center i.e. taller than 7'2". Gheorge Muresan had better stats than him. Bradley did not put up stats like the good super-giants like Rik Smits and Yao Ming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48375185083826957912013-03-21T09:56:58.640-07:002013-03-21T09:56:58.640-07:00I don't know any of these guys. I'd say th...I don't know any of these guys. I'd say that "hate" of College Basketball White players is a function of White fans mostly moving to NASCAR, or Baseball, or Hockey, or WoW, leaving nothing but Black and Mexican guys. The Laker Riots, when they win, are filled with nothing but Black and Mexican fans.<br /><br />White QBs like say, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady are sure popular. Fans have not embraced Michael Vick (despite the media push) nor say, RGIII or that guy in Carolina. Meanwhile NASCAR racers like say, Dale Earnhardt Jr. have their own "Junior Nation."Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76007346557282148322013-03-21T09:50:43.970-07:002013-03-21T09:50:43.970-07:00Ben Tillman, a Duke alum used to be a member of my...<i>Ben Tillman, a Duke alum used to be a member of my gym, and he'd occasionally wear a t-shirt proclaiming "Duke: the Harvard of the South". He seemed offended when I asked him why there were no shirts for sale at the Harvard Coop saying "Harvard: the Duke of the North".</i><br /><br />At least the folks at Wofford take a more sophisticated tack: Their shirts read, "Harvard: The Wofford of the North".ben tillmannoreply@blogger.com