tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8627971264266471045..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Lahn: "Let's celebrate human genetic diversity"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67203093054564419092009-10-18T20:32:27.028-07:002009-10-18T20:32:27.028-07:00Svigor, I demonstrated quite clearly above that th...<i>Svigor, I demonstrated quite clearly above that there is no contradiction whatsoever between believing in evolution and believing that there are no strong or significant differences between the races.</i><br /><br />MQ, I believe that you are right about this, that there is no such contradiction. Will you in turn acknowledge that the question remains open, that significant racial differences <i>might in fact exist</i>, and that at least some of the people who believe in those differences are intelligent, reasonable, and well informed people?<br /><br />After all, we are not talking about huge differences, merely a standard deviation or so. In height this is just a few inches, and such differences do seem to exist in the real world. So would you agree that it would not be terribly astounding if there should also turn out to be innate differences of the same order between various continental populations in other characteristics, such as intelligence or temperament?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42919850175364832042009-10-18T15:15:46.901-07:002009-10-18T15:15:46.901-07:00What are you smoking?
Svigor, I demonstrated qui...<i> What are you smoking? </i><br /><br />Svigor, I demonstrated quite clearly above that there is no contradiction whatsoever between believing in evolution and believing that there are no strong or significant differences between the races. The point stands, as no one has made a substantive response to any of the arguments I made. The rhetoric of scientism can be and often is used a smoke screen for just casual stereotyping based on personal resentments of other races. <br /><br />Simple casual observation tells us about some surface racial differences, but does not tell us about most.MQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71107789611835229902009-10-18T06:07:19.252-07:002009-10-18T06:07:19.252-07:00If blacks left the United States, the crime rate f...If blacks left the United States, the crime rate for most crimes would be much lower than if a proportional number of whites left. <a href="http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Color of Crime (PDF)</a> makes this rather clear.<br /><br />Even Jesse Jackson knows it, deep in his heart. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/12/opinion/in-america-a-sea-change-on-crime.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a>.<br /><br />The chances of an older white man being a hunter of Cambodian boys - or a murderer of his wife - are, despite media slanting in the latter case, less than that of a young black male being a hood.<br /><br />What is to be done? According to our status quo lovers, nothing except point a finger at the lower rate (rate: understand that word) of crime among whites and bluster, inaccurately, "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque" rel="nofollow">Tu quoque!"</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17794930661004448582009-10-17T18:51:39.989-07:002009-10-17T18:51:39.989-07:00In what sense are whites second class citizens?
...<i>In what sense are whites second class citizens?</i> <br /><br />In the legal and cultural senses.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42499387447151464652009-10-17T18:49:51.677-07:002009-10-17T18:49:51.677-07:00"Almost all" "highly similar" ..."Almost all" "highly similar" "incredibly similar" ""human traits that are similar," etc. In other words, DIVERGENT.<br /><br />Just read this sentence back to yourself:<br /><br />"human traits that are similar, close to identical, across races is much longer and more significant than the list of traits that differ."<br /><br />You're sorting things into two categories, but each thing can go in either of them.<br /><br />To be more specific, there is no difference between "traits that are...close to identical," or "traits that differ".<br /><br /><i>There is nothing -- repeat nothing -- about evolution in general that tells you that human races must differ in any specific sense or indeed differ at all.</i><br /><br />What are you smoking? Difference is inherent to race.<br /><br />There's nothing - repeat nothing - about playing the lottery that tells you you won't win.<br /><br /><i>It all depends on factual stuff about differences between environments, the extent, level, and duration of genetic isolation, and the initial genetic differences in the founding populations. We do not know this factual stuff,</i> <br /><br />We know it differed significantly.<br /><br /><i>although you can make up a version of it that rationalizes your preexisting conviction that black people are stupid.</i> <br /><br />You're a real charmer.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76901667793580432182009-10-17T18:33:24.320-07:002009-10-17T18:33:24.320-07:00"Most white rape and murder victims are victi...<i>"Most white rape and murder victims are victimized by whites. always have been."</i> <br /><br />Which doesn't answer the question "who's more dangerous (or rape-prone, etc.,), ceteris paribus, a white or a black?" Nor does it answer whether it's safer to live around blacks or whites.<br /><br />Really want to delve into race and crime? Warning: about 3/4 of the people here have cheat sheets.<br /><br /><i>As for rapes committed by military personnel in Japan, where are your stats? I find it extremely hard to believe considering that it's usually white guys who drool over and chase after asian chicks :)</i> <br /><br />Wow, that was rigorous.<br /><br /><i>What about military personnel outside of Japah? Which race of U.S. soldiers commit more rapes globally?</i><br /><br />Proportionately? Blacks.<br /><br />As for Japan, I looked into every such rape case I could a few years back, and they were all perpetrated by blacks.<br /><br /><i>Who more actively participates in the Cambodian pre-teen sex trade? Middle aged white American guys or blacks?</i><br /><br />I dunno, enlighten us. Btw, why limit it to middle-aged white guys vs. all blacks?<br /><br />Who molests children at a higher rate, whites or blacks? Do you know?<br /><br /><i>I noticed that neither of you bothered to explain why Russia and Albania, like most countries in that part of Europe, are also crime ridden.</i><br /><br />I don't know. Why are black populations more crime-ridden everywhere on Earth?<br /><br /><i>I'm done discussing it.</i><br /><br />First bit of honesty from you so far. Funny that your lab partner is "Truth," the guy who avoids discussion like the plague. He never discusses anything, ever.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63242939577071238392009-10-17T06:52:15.451-07:002009-10-17T06:52:15.451-07:00"In what sense are whites second class citize..."In what sense are whites second class citizens today? I mean, looking at income, educational achievement, jail time, etc., we do quite well in this society."<br /><br />Whites do quite well in this country because of their superior abilities and characters. As stated before, whites have fewer legal rights and do not enjoy equal protection under the law in the USA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3732524840279322192009-10-16T22:28:30.741-07:002009-10-16T22:28:30.741-07:00In what sense are whites second class citizens tod...<i>In what sense are whites second class citizens today? I mean, looking at income, educational achievement, jail time, etc., we do quite well in this society.</i><br /><br />In the sense that non-whites have legal privileges that whites don't have. In the sense that whites suffer government aggression that others don't.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45731357151966476752009-10-16T22:03:46.447-07:002009-10-16T22:03:46.447-07:00in a culture with a diversity- and AA-mad academy,...<i>in a culture with a diversity- and AA-mad academy, government, and corporate class, that some prominent persons might not have attained their positions solely on the basis of merit</i><br /><br />God knows political appointments so often trump some sort of meritocratic choice. But under AA not only have we no confidence that the best person got the job, we no longer know whether the best non-white got the job either.<br /><br />Appointment being about so much more than ability, AA makes that explicit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56890986622433358342009-10-16T18:59:43.278-07:002009-10-16T18:59:43.278-07:00Truth said:
"Most white rape and murder vict...Truth said:<br /><br />"Most white rape and murder victims are victimized by whites. always have been."<br /><br />Indeed, and neither David or "Can't believe my eyes" answered my question. I didn't deny that blacks are more likely to victimize whites than whites are to victimize blacks. I was speaking in terms of absolute numbers of people who commit crimes. When you look at it this way, it's clear to see that whites kill and rape each other more often than blacks do, as blacks kill and rape each other more often than whites do.<br /><br />As for rapes committed by military personnel in Japan, where are your stats? I find it extremely hard to believe considering that it's usually white guys who drool over and chase after asian chicks :) What about military personnel outside of Japah? Which race of U.S. soldiers commit more rapes globally?<br /><br />Who more actively participates in the Cambodian pre-teen sex trade? Middle aged white American guys or blacks?<br /><br />I noticed that neither of you bothered to explain why Russia and Albania, like most countries in that part of Europe, are also crime ridden.<br /><br />I'm sure you'll respond with another straw man argument to avoid answering my question, so I'm done discussing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77330443296002626702009-10-16T17:55:10.756-07:002009-10-16T17:55:10.756-07:00svigor:
In what sense are whites second class cit...svigor:<br /><br />In what sense are whites second class citizens today? I mean, looking at income, educational achievement, jail time, etc., we do quite well in this society. Would you honestly prefer to change your skin color to black, in order to have a better life here? <br /><br />It seems to me that a lot of middle-class people are being squeezed in this society right now, but it sure isn't obvious that this is preferentially being done to whites. I'm no economist (and don't have unbounded faith in them), but I suspect much of the cause is captured in Steve's line about "invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world." We have an unprofitable empire funded by deficits, and a domestic labor market kept cheap by endlessly importing low-wage competition from Central America. This worked for awhile, but it's beginning to break down now. <br /><br />In what sense are whites second class citizens?none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82591472894720882982009-10-16T15:57:55.751-07:002009-10-16T15:57:55.751-07:00"It appears that as blacks and whites live to..."It appears that as blacks and whites live together as full citizens, most of the serious problems are coming from blacks. What is to be done?"<br /><br />Most white rape and murder victims are victimized by whites. always have been.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72239623273087693392009-10-16T14:58:23.175-07:002009-10-16T14:58:23.175-07:00It appears that as blacks and whites live together...<i>It appears that as blacks and whites live together as full citizens, most of the serious problems are coming from blacks.</i><br /><br />Whites aren't full citizens.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86345622750435947362009-10-16T10:18:14.480-07:002009-10-16T10:18:14.480-07:00"Can you cite some statistics revealing that ..."Can you cite some statistics revealing that most rapes and murders that occur in the U.S. are black-on-white, black-on-brown, black-on-yellow and black-on-fill-in-the-blank? Seems improbable for some reason."<br /><br />It is astonishing that you would come on this blog and ask this particular question. We are familiar with the FBI crime statistics. Most crime is intra-racial and whites keep away from blacks, but in spite of that, most interracial crime is black on white. Any white person living in a heavily black metropolis could tell you a series of horror stories going back decades, to when their particular neighborhood started to turn black, perhaps after Section 8 housing moved in. Low-crime blue collar neighborhoods quickly became unlivable for whites, even though most,by the 70s, had thought they could live with blacks since many whites were "worst." Turns out, no, they could not.<br /><br />The "Color of Crime" should enlighten you as far as American statistics.<br /><br />Your stories about the low crime rates in Africa sound frankly absurd. Rape is rampant even in Kenya, one of the countries doing somewhat better. What sort of stats are kept in most of these countries anyway? South Africa says it all.<br />Blacks have raised the crime rate everywhere they go, be it Canada, England or an American military base in Japan where most of the rapes committed by military personnel were committed by blacks.<br />Sorry. You don't make sense.<br />Or else you're saying that blacks enjoying the privileges of free education, of first world, immigrating freely to London or Toronto, to white-made countries with tax-payer benefits, are nonetheless more driven to violent crime and abysmal academic performance.<br />Could it be that blacks are not made for first-world civilizations, and their villages in Africa are really where they do best?<br />I'd have believed that a few years ago, before I saw some horrifying documentaries on rape in Uganda and other parts of Africa. Some of the perps were intereviewed and talked about the magic or moojoo that rape provided them and that ANY woman, even their mother according to one pyscho, would do in a pinch. <br />They shot 5 year olds with guns, internally, shattering their reproductive organs and intestines. Each gang would have a different method of shooting or maiming. This wasn't an occasional insanity; it claimed tens of thousands of victims.<br />Well, you get the picture.<br />South Africa is crumbling. Nothing works and crime defines daily life. If this is what the black man, peaceful in his village, achieves when handed the modern world on a platter, to the world's applause, then god help us all.can't believe my eyesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10114830011276795692009-10-16T10:06:45.327-07:002009-10-16T10:06:45.327-07:00MQ: ...-- every time someone with brown or black ...MQ: <i>...-- every time someone with brown or black skin is credited with an intellectual achievement, you get a horde of commenters here saying that science proves it was due to affirmative action.</i> <br /><br />Really? Who are these posters who claim that "science proves" that no one with "brown or black skin" has ever attained merit-based intellectual distinction? <br /><br /><i>That Sonia Sotomayor could *not* have graduated first in her class without AA is seen around here as a scientific conclusion on par with the existence of gravity, but, well, it's not.</i> <br /><br />Really? See question number one, above. Perhaps you are thinking of the many, many people (both here and in the wider society) who reasonably speculate that, in a culture with a diversity- and AA-mad academy, government, and corporate class, that some prominent persons might not have attained their positions solely on the basis of merit, and who feel no particular reticence about mooting the question. Particularly regarding persons who forthrightly cop to being "AA babies". <br /><br />This is, of course, something entirely distinct from what you're claiming about the "horde of commenters" here. I find it just about impossible to imagine any normal group of human beings who, under such a regime, would <i>not</i> automatically wonder about the qualifications of such persons, any more than they would <i>not</i> wonder about the qualifications of persons with nepotistic advantages.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63207914932377911792009-10-16T09:39:13.831-07:002009-10-16T09:39:13.831-07:00Mr. Anon: And you may find that a lot of people d...Mr. Anon: <i>And you may find that a lot of people develop prejudices as they get older, which doesn't square with them being pre-existing. Like many here, I grew up believing in the blank slate, and viewing different groups of people as fundamentally the same. I came to my prejudices by observing the world around me.</i> <br /><br />If you'll allow me to pick a nit, a "prejudice" is not something one develops from experience and empirical observation. In your case, your initial belief in the blank slate is what one would accurately label a prejudice. Your later views are not samples of pre-judging but of deductive reasoning. (The belief that most people interested in HBD are "resentful racist idiots" is, on the other hand, a good example of a prejudice.) <br /><br />Of course, you may have just been using the word ironically in your response to MQ, in which case, my apologies for being thick. I do see this misuse of the word everywhere, though, and this misuse is not only inaccurate but unnecessarily concedes a point.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87416989572685894812009-10-16T06:55:58.001-07:002009-10-16T06:55:58.001-07:00Anonymous said
> Can you cite some statistics ...Anonymous said<br /><br />> Can you cite some statistics revealing that most rapes and murders that occur in the U.S. are black-on-white, black-on-brown, black-on-yellow and black-on-fill-in-the-blank? Seems improbable for some reason. <<br /><br />Whites outnumber blacks by about 6 to 1 in the US. Therefore, in absolute numbers, violent crimes committed by whites outnumber those committed by blacks.<br /><br />Blacks on average, however, are more violent and dangerous to whites than whites on average are violent and dangerous to blacks. <a href="http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">Here (PDF)</a>.<br /><br />Interracial rape stats are especially instructive on this point. <a href="http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368" rel="nofollow">Here</a>.<br /><br />The problem we're concerned with is race relations. It appears that as blacks and whites live together as full citizens, most of the serious problems are coming from blacks. What is to be done?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15202443288922650052009-10-16T06:45:13.753-07:002009-10-16T06:45:13.753-07:00"Anonymous said...
As far as I can tell, of ..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />As far as I can tell, of all the "black countries" on the planet, only Jamaica, Haiti, and South Africa have high crime rates."<br /><br />Your statistics are probably bogus, such as, for example these here:<br /><br />http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita<br /><br />which shows Switzerland and Japan to be more crime-ridden than Jamaica or India. A nation that doesn't much bother collecting crime statistics is likely to come out favorably in such rankings.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75569327464448984492009-10-15T22:56:06.965-07:002009-10-15T22:56:06.965-07:00Andrea said...
"Suppose there's an as ye...Andrea said...<br /><br />"Suppose there's an as yet unpopulated island. Knowing what we know about racial differences, would it be ethical to pretend all races are equal and bring in 1000 Nigerians and mix them up with 1000 Cambodians? The much stronger and more aggressive Nigerians will beat up the Cambodians. Most of the assault and murder will be black-on-Cambodian. Nearly all of the rape will be black-on-Cambodian. Is it really much different in the US? Look at inter-racial violence stats, and it's overwhelmingly black-on-white, black-on-brown, black-on-yellow, black-on-fill-in-the-blank?"<br /><br />Can you cite some statistics revealing that most rapes and murders that occur in the U.S. are black-on-white, black-on-brown, black-on-yellow and black-on-fill-in-the-blank? Seems improbable for some reason.<br /><br />It's no secret that blacks commit violent crime in the U.S. at much higher rates than any other group, but this alone doesn't indicate that the majority of rapists in the U.S. are black.<br /><br />Furthermore, Nigeria has a relatively low violent crime rate. The same is true for Senegal, Ghana and most countries in West Africa. Most Carribean nations also have low violent crime rates. I'll post the statistics upon request, if any one is interested.<br /> <br />As far as I can tell, of all the "black countries" on the planet, only Jamaica, Haiti, and South Africa have high crime rates. Obviously most African countries are plagued by social/political conflict but the people who live there are no more prone to violent crime than Russians, Albanians or Colombians; And the standard of living and average IQ in those countries is greater than in any part of Africa.<br /><br />Kind of weird when you think about it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70386424823573704112009-10-15T20:47:23.683-07:002009-10-15T20:47:23.683-07:00Ashley MontaQueue wrote:
All human populations ha...Ashley MontaQueue wrote:<br /><br /><i>All human populations have evolved in environments with heavy cognitive demands....</i><br /><br />Mice and dogs and cattle and many other species evolved in the same environments with humans -- are you claiming that the intelligence of these species matches that of humans?<br /><br /><i>All human populations have evolved in environments with heavy cognitive demands....</i><br /><br />Environments with cognitive demands and ONLY cognitive demands? Of course not. Intelligence is EXPENSIVE. It has benefits and COSTS, and the environment determines whether the benefits of a certain level of intelligence outweigh the costs. Since environments vary, the optimal level of intelligence varies.<br /><br />This is elementary.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16256615146604724172009-10-15T20:13:34.427-07:002009-10-15T20:13:34.427-07:00"MQ said...
Pure silliness, as you would kno..."MQ said...<br /><br />Pure silliness, as you would know if you were actually concerned with thinking scientifically about evolution as opposed to arguing that black people are stupid."<br /><br />I said no such thing.<br /><br />"The effect of evolution on isolated populations depends on the environment they evolve in, how much time they are isolated, and how isolated they are."<br /><br />This is not news to anyone.<br /><br />"All human populations have evolved in environments with heavy cognitive demands,"<br /><br />Which is why all humans are smarter than apes. But it does not follow that different populations of humans would be equally smart, on average.<br /><br />"almost all humans today are descended from populations that were not completely isolated, and in any case the period of genetic isolation is limited compared to the full time span over which humans evolved."<br /><br />Given that creatures exist on all seven continents, it's safe to say that no population is completely isolated. So? One cannot deny , for example, that American Indians lived apart from people in Asia - let alone Europe - for anywhere from 10 to 20 thousand years - a not insignificant amount of time in the history of human evolution.<br /><br />The time that has elapsed since Dolphins evolved from some land-dwelling forbearer is limited (to use your term) compared to the amount of time since mammals as a group diverged from reptiles. Does it then follow that Dolphins are no different than reptiles?<br /><br />"The effect of all that on today's genotype is a very open question."<br /><br />And will remain so indefinitely if one never entertains any possible answers.<br /><br />"One can add to this that humans evolved physically to be heavily culturally, not just genetically, influenced."<br /><br />And so it is impossible for those cultures themselves to be different?<br /><br />"Most commenters in the HBD-sphere aren't interested in pursuing scientific truth, they're interested in confirming certain pre-existing prejudices about certain groups."<br /><br />Overall, your logic is insipid and wrong.<br /><br />And you may find that a lot of people develop prejudices as they get older, which doesn't square with them being pre-existing. Like many here, I grew up believing in the blank slate, and viewing different groups of people as fundamentally the same. I came to my prejudices by observing the world around me.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30500251443382385832009-10-15T18:32:59.334-07:002009-10-15T18:32:59.334-07:00This doesn't render "silly" the post...<i> This doesn't render "silly" the poster's observation, that evolution practically demands divergence, at least at the default starting point in the absence of certainty. What are the odds that populations would develop identically vis-a-vis traits under selection? </i><br /><br />I truly have no idea what you're talking about here. Almost all important human traits are under selection, and almost all have ended up highly similar across races. Place a human being next to a chimpanzee, the closest mammal to us evolutionarily, and every physically healthy human in every race looks incredibly similar in the capacity to develop sophisticated language. The list of human traits that are similar, close to identical, across races is much longer and more significant than the list of traits that differ. <br /><br />There is nothing -- repeat nothing -- about evolution in general that tells you that human races must differ in any specific sense or indeed differ at all. It all depends on factual stuff about differences between environments, the extent, level, and duration of genetic isolation, and the initial genetic differences in the founding populations. We do not know this factual stuff, although you can make up a version of it that rationalizes your preexisting conviction that black people are stupid.<br /><br /><i> The existence of gravity (loosely understood) was never controversial. The components of the theory of gravity were.... <br />Likewise, everyone not cloistered or below his majority is aware of the fact of Human Biodiversity, loosely understood. What's controversial is any more precise description, and the science behind such a description. </i><br /><br />Exactly. We can all see that human populations are biologically and genetically diverse in some ways (and also very biologically similar in other ways). The question is how diverse. The fact that black people have darker skin is not in question. The contention that black people are genetically suited to be faster sprinters is a little more complex/controversial, but plausible and within the mainstream nowadays. The contention that it's pointless to educate black kids because they're biologically unable to learn is maybe a little more controversial. Not around here, but generally.MQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69637796333121999262009-10-15T17:46:19.497-07:002009-10-15T17:46:19.497-07:00Most commenters in the HBD-sphere aren't inter...<i>Most commenters in the HBD-sphere aren't interested in pursuing scientific truth, they're interested in confirming certain pre-existing prejudices about certain groups.</i><br /><br />P.S., this isn't true of me. One of my values is facts before beliefs. That's a great part of what drew me to this ball of wax, the disdain for "pretty lies."<br /><br />I can make just as strong a case for ethnic nationalism without the IQ issue. In fact, if anyone bothers to check, I don't really use the IQ issue vis-a-vis ethnic nationalism except as hors d'oeuvre. I do find malice in the confluence of exhortations to miscegenation, the media blitz to whitewash blacks, and the establishment taboo against HBD, and point it out; shouldn't people know the implications for their progeny?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13817499238851622052009-10-15T17:27:32.142-07:002009-10-15T17:27:32.142-07:00Most commenters in the HBD-sphere aren't inter...<i>Most commenters in the HBD-sphere aren't interested in pursuing scientific truth, they're interested in confirming certain pre-existing prejudices about certain groups.</i><br /><br />P.S., this isn't true of me. One of my values is facts before beliefs. That's a great part of what drew me to this ball of wax, the disdain for "pretty lies."<br /><br />I can make just as strong a case for ethnic nationalism without the IQ issue. In fact, if anyone bothers to check, I don't really use the IQ issue vis-a-vis ethnic nationalism except as hors d'oeuvre. I do find malice in the confluence of exhortations to miscegenation, the media blitz to whitewash blacks, and the establishment taboo against HBD, and point it out; shouldn't people know the implications for their progeny?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64939554276261840622009-10-15T17:16:15.211-07:002009-10-15T17:16:15.211-07:00OneSTDV - link still doesnt work, but in a differe...OneSTDV - link still doesnt work, but in a different way to the last time.<br /><br />I even had a look in the HTML, just in case...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com