tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8665775349551378334..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Does Constitution's double jeopardy ban protect Zimmerman?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32387713871801658752012-04-14T09:15:20.718-07:002012-04-14T09:15:20.718-07:00It's clear to me that we can cut back on the n...It's clear to me that we can cut back on the number of police beatings that happen in a bunch of ways:<br /><br />a. When confronted by the police, be nonthreatening and polite even if they're assholes, which they can get away with being. Just like if you were detained by the police in Russia or Mexico, your rightness and wrongness don't come into whether you emerge from the confrontation with all your teeth.<br /><br />b. For applied statistics reasons, men can be threatening a lot more easily than women, young men more easily than old men, young black men more easily than young white men, anyone dressed ghetto more easily than anyone in a suit and tie, etc. If you are a hulking bad-ass in a leather jacket with tattoos all over your body, you'll want to be completely calm and polite and friendly, without a hint of menace, because scared people with guns and clubs can be dangerous. Similarly, if you're a 55 year old Chinese lady in formal businesswear, you can probably curse the cop out without risking much more than him writing you the ticket instead of letting you off with a warning, though you'd be smarter not to. <br /><br />c. Police should only be put into high-adrenaline situations when there is a good reason. For individuals, that means don't do stupid shit like high speed car chases. At a policy level, that means we need to stop usung SWAT team raids for small-time crap like poker games and drug possession or small-time dealing arrests. <br /><br />d. Police who are inclined to lose it and beat the hell out of somene when sufficiently pissed off and scared need to be gotten off the police force, and into some other line of work. Dash cameras and letting the public videotape police in public, and not protecting cops who beat people up, all probably help decrease the number of cops inclined to do that stuff.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89464831010472069592012-04-13T07:35:35.610-07:002012-04-13T07:35:35.610-07:00An intelligent and interesting question. Also an i...An intelligent and interesting question. Also an irrelevant one. There are of course only two relevant questions. They are "who?" and "whom?".Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18549635190042477312012-04-12T21:19:59.761-07:002012-04-12T21:19:59.761-07:00"Anonymous said...
Zimmerman had no reas..."Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Zimmerman had no reason to go meddling with some kid. Then, why did Obama meddle in Libya? What did Gaddafi do to him?"<br /><br />Dude, whoever you are, please place all of your computers, home, work, mobile, including your smartphone in a box, and deposit in in the nearest lake. I don't think you're worthy of the privilege of chatboard discussion. Thank you.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83041094320233025662012-04-12T12:44:47.642-07:002012-04-12T12:44:47.642-07:00"If more people were like me, you wouldn'...<i>"If more people were like me, you wouldn't come here to find the unusual ideas I come up with, because they'd be everywhere."</i><br /><br />I think you're underestimating your personal charisma here.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58585569171486551842012-04-12T12:08:02.392-07:002012-04-12T12:08:02.392-07:00Steve-O, you "forgot" to mention OJ'...<i>Steve-O, you "forgot" to mention OJ's double jeopardy.</i><br /><br />Are you referring to the civil suit?<br /><br />If that's double jeopardy, then we could easily see triple jeopardy for George:<br /><br />1.) State criminal case<br />2.) Federal criminal case<br />3.) Civil suit brought by Mr. "child abandonment" Martin, Sr.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51304257195877946862012-04-12T12:05:50.947-07:002012-04-12T12:05:50.947-07:00Very nice post. I come away thinking the second Ro...<i>Very nice post. I come away thinking the second Rodney King trial result probably was correct. Jurors scared of riots don't have to look at each frame of a movie to decide.</i><br /><br />What drivel. Absolute, complete bullshit.<br /><br />Agonizing over minutiae in a desperate attempt to find something to "justify" one's foregone conclusion is <i>precisely</i> what people with heavy consciences do.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45699772381647877472012-04-12T12:01:22.320-07:002012-04-12T12:01:22.320-07:00Why is that turn of mind a virtue? Please explain....<i>Why is that turn of mind a virtue? Please explain. Tell us why being judgmental, retrospective, and moralistic is wrong.</i><br /><br />Typical judgmental projection: assuming he was saying it's wrong.<br /><br />:) (I'm a "judger" myself: INTJ)Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13421104108911829872012-04-12T11:58:04.328-07:002012-04-12T11:58:04.328-07:00The chokehold doesn't close off the windpipe, ...<i>The chokehold doesn't close off the windpipe, it closes off the carotid arteries. Just a minor technical point.</i><br /><br />It's really easy to try one and get the other. They're about two inches apart.<br /><br />Of course, if you do the carotid choke properly, the subject should be unconscious in about ten seconds, IIRC.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66229631209250851602012-04-12T10:26:58.673-07:002012-04-12T10:26:58.673-07:00But you can't let criminals escape just by dri...<i>But you can't let criminals escape just by driving away fast. So, the best thing to do is to discourage criminals from, in the first place, trying to get away by driving 100 mph. How? By making sure they almost always get caught.</i><br /><br />Or, by whomping them?Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6972428451208792532012-04-12T07:38:41.024-07:002012-04-12T07:38:41.024-07:00(Plus, they'd been chasing him at 100 mph, so ...<i>(Plus, they'd been chasing him at 100 mph, so whomping him just seemed like a good idea at the time.) </i><br /><br />At the time the Rodney King video first made news, an acquaintance in law enforcement in a major East-Coast city told me that certain elements of the population lack the ability to connect present behaviors(crimes) with future consequences (jail 6 months from now). Therefore, they benefit from immediate negative reinforcement (beat downs)of undesirable behaviors. <br /><br />Just like you wouldn't punish your dog next week for peeing on the carpet today.Paul Mendeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11286419493286859442012-04-12T06:34:09.497-07:002012-04-12T06:34:09.497-07:00Have you ever come down from a real adrenaline hig...Have you ever come down from a real adrenaline high and laughed? I have, even the thing I did was frightening rather than fun. I think a little laughter is a normal response to something like a fight when you emerge without injury.<br /><br />Somebody needs to right a book on these sorts of psychological and verbal reactions and idiosyncrasies that can get misinterpreted in legal cases. It's especially important now that every word and deed is recorded somewhere.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09148369137917100380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69294379508770775722012-04-12T02:43:26.962-07:002012-04-12T02:43:26.962-07:00"Why is that turn of mind a virtue? Please ex..."Why is that turn of mind a virtue? Please explain. Tell us why being judgmental, retrospective, and moralistic is wrong."<br /><br />I didn't say the way I am is a virtue. But it is the way I am. If more people were like me, you wouldn't come here to find the unusual ideas I come up with, because they'd be everywhere.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20338908813413157662012-04-12T02:09:57.164-07:002012-04-12T02:09:57.164-07:00Steve-O, you "forgot" to mention OJ'...<i>Steve-O, you "forgot" to mention OJ's double jeopardy.</i> <br /><br />The plaintiff there was Fred MacGoldman, so it didn't count.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53390805653199641712012-04-12T00:23:15.307-07:002012-04-12T00:23:15.307-07:00As we all know, the American legal system is based...As we all know, the American legal system is based on that of England, and 'double jeopardy' was an ancient right enshrined in the English common law dating back to the time of the Norman kings.<br /> It stood the test of centuries - that is until Britain's god-awful, fascist, dictatorial, nation wrecking, economy wrecking, New Labour regime took power.<br /> The right no longer exists - a defendant can be tried by the Crown an infinite number of times on the same charge now.<br /> Ironically this was due to the lefties of New Labour responding to another media whipped up black martyrdom, the Stephen Lawrence case.<br /> The case gainst Lawrence's murderers is so weak and flawed that they are bound to be released on appeal in the near future to the considerable embarrassment of the British state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44118926772382249852012-04-11T22:45:58.084-07:002012-04-11T22:45:58.084-07:00Truth-O, are you REALLY unclear on the difference ...Truth-O, are you REALLY unclear on the difference between a criminal trial and a civil suit?Truth = blab first, form premise laternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6758290434503981502012-04-11T22:44:09.302-07:002012-04-11T22:44:09.302-07:00There's a spike strip patent from 1972:
uspto....There's a spike strip patent from 1972:<br /><a href="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3652059.PN.&OS=PN/3652059&RS=PN/3652059" rel="nofollow">uspto.gov link</a><br />-but I actually don't recall ever hearing of their use in the early 1980s. (and high-speed automotive chases were quite the staple of the late night news, not just in Hazzard County mind you)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11389158530024798752012-04-11T22:01:55.184-07:002012-04-11T22:01:55.184-07:00Yes, it's extremely off-topic but I let it thr...<i>Yes, it's extremely off-topic but I let it through because he's right: it's a terrific movie.</i><br /><br />Personally, I don't mind the off-topic comments. I just noted it because there seems to be this guy who always makes them here and on other HBD blogs. Similar style.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9096263373599702552012-04-11T21:52:45.023-07:002012-04-11T21:52:45.023-07:00Steve-O, you "forgot" to mention OJ'...Steve-O, you "forgot" to mention OJ's double jeopardy.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61275524993515741242012-04-11T21:52:12.642-07:002012-04-11T21:52:12.642-07:00Very nice post. I come away thinking the second Ro...Very nice post. I come away thinking the second Rodney King trial result probably was correct. Jurors scared of riots don't have to look at each frame of a movie to decide. And it is correct to convict if the criminal is subdued and the policeman decides to whomp him an extra time unreasonably --- and for a unanimous jury to have to decide it was unreasonably. <br /><br /> I was foreman of an LA jury, in a cocaine case back in 1988 or so, and was very impressed with the earnestness of my highly diverse fellow jurors. Maybe it was because jury duty was essentially optional--- I think if you didn't respond to the letter, nothing bad happened to you.Eric Rasmusenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01609599580545475695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-670252907678111552012-04-11T21:47:06.263-07:002012-04-11T21:47:06.263-07:00It would seem that Zimmerman has done everything i...It would seem that Zimmerman has done everything in his power to become a martyr for the White cause. <br /><br />Perhaps the media is to blame of helping him along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41592879979429008662012-04-11T21:40:48.832-07:002012-04-11T21:40:48.832-07:00re: car chases--We talked about the Fitch barrier ...re: car chases--We talked about the Fitch barrier on that economist/foodie's site; anyone know if a version of the spike strip existed before the 90s (the proof-of-concept seems to be Donald Kilgrow's with the Utah state troopers)? In retrospect seems like a "well duh" invention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30800422008268536532012-04-11T21:27:27.269-07:002012-04-11T21:27:27.269-07:00The chokehold doesn't close off the windpipe, ...The chokehold doesn't close off the windpipe, it closes off the carotid arteries. Just a minor technical point.Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-346372310801778682012-04-11T21:21:42.693-07:002012-04-11T21:21:42.693-07:00It didn't do much good for Demanjuk either. Wh...It didn't do much good for Demanjuk either. When they couldn't get him for being Ivan the Terrible, they got him for something else. <br /><br />This is not a nation of laws but nation of lawyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77061636053205483442012-04-11T21:17:39.802-07:002012-04-11T21:17:39.802-07:00Zimmerman had no reason to go meddling with some k...Zimmerman had no reason to go meddling with some kid. Then, why did Obama meddle in Libya? What did Gaddafi do to him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72807242493362638242012-04-11T20:44:51.147-07:002012-04-11T20:44:51.147-07:00"My turn of mind is probabilistic, future-ori...<i>"My turn of mind is probabilistic, future-oriented, and technocratic."</i><br /><br />Why is that turn of mind a virtue? Please explain. Tell us why being judgmental, retrospective, and moralistic is wrong.<br /><br /> <br /><i> Cinema is not dead. Top-notch. Bravo.</i><br /><br />He's trying to pretend that the Zimmerman-Martin case is only a movie. An attempt to deny reality ... unhealthy and not clever or witty.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.com