tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8747715415594376361..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Olympic medal counts sorted by sportsmanshipUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77520109547891777592012-08-15T00:57:04.935-07:002012-08-15T00:57:04.935-07:00National sports like baseball and basketball have ...<i>National sports like baseball and basketball have honest officiating and plenty of good sportsmanship.</i><br /><br />I have never heard of the Yankees nor Roger Clemens and the name Tim Donaghy means nothing to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88787177930338687292012-08-13T17:29:45.717-07:002012-08-13T17:29:45.717-07:00and what's that IRI country in 11th position f...and what's that IRI country in 11th position for both male medal counts? Islamic Republic of Iran. No female medals though.Kai Carverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15104699147862191024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87965313808185310882012-08-13T15:45:44.565-07:002012-08-13T15:45:44.565-07:00so the male 2012 Olympics were actually a three-wa...so the male 2012 Olympics were actually a three-way tie between USA, China, and Great Britain (counting only gold medals)Kai Carverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15104699147862191024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90598208884865455242012-08-13T15:41:39.354-07:002012-08-13T15:41:39.354-07:00Olympic medal counts separating men and women:
Go...Olympic medal counts separating men and women:<br /><br />Gold M 17 USA<br />Gold M 17 GBR<br />Gold M 17 CHN<br />Gold M 12 RUS<br />Gold M 8 KOR<br />Gold M 7 GER<br />Gold M 7 FRA<br />Gold M 5 ITA<br />Gold M 5 HUN<br />Gold M 4 UKR<br />Gold M 4 IRI<br />Gold M 4 CUB<br />Gold M 4 AUS<br />Gold M 3 RSA<br />Gold M 3 NZL<br />Gold M 3 KAZ<br />Gold M 3 JPN<br />Gold M 3 JAM<br />Gold M 2 PRK<br />Gold M 2 POL<br />Gold M 2 NED<br />Gold M 2 KEN<br />Gold M 2 DEN<br />Gold M 2 CZE<br />Gold M 2 CRO<br />Gold M 2 AZE<br />Gold M 1 VEN<br />Gold M 1 UZB<br />Gold M 1 UGA<br />Gold M 1 TUR<br />Gold M 1 TUN<br />Gold M 1 TRI<br />Gold M 1 SWE<br />Gold M 1 ROU<br />Gold M 1 NOR<br />Gold M 1 MEX<br />Gold M 1 LAT<br />Gold M 1 GRN<br />Gold M 1 GEO<br />Gold M 1 ESP<br />Gold M 1 DOM<br />Gold M 1 BRA<br />Gold M 1 BLR<br />Gold M 1 BAH<br />Gold M 1 ARG<br />Gold M 1 ALG<br /><br />Gold W 29 USA<br />Gold W 20 CHN<br />Gold W 12 RUS<br />Gold W 9 GBR<br />Gold W 5 KOR<br />Gold W 4 NED<br />Gold W 4 KAZ<br />Gold W 4 JPN<br />Gold W 4 FRA<br />Gold W 3 ITA<br />Gold W 3 HUN<br />Gold W 3 ETH<br />Gold W 3 AUS<br />Gold W 2 UKR<br />Gold W 2 PRK<br />Gold W 2 NZL<br />Gold W 2 LTU<br />Gold W 2 GER<br />Gold W 2 ESP<br />Gold W 2 CZE<br />Gold W 2 BRA<br />Gold W 1 TUR<br />Gold W 1 SUI<br />Gold W 1 SRB<br />Gold W 1 SLO<br />Gold W 1 ROU<br />Gold W 1 NOR<br />Gold W 1 JAM<br />Gold W 1 IRL<br />Gold W 1 CUB<br />Gold W 1 CRO<br />Gold W 1 COL<br />Gold W 1 CAN<br />Gold W 1 BLR<br /><br />All M 45 USA<br />All M 39 GBR<br />All M 38 RUS<br />All M 36 CHN<br />All M 27 GER<br />All M 21 KOR<br />All M 21 JPN<br />All M 20 ITA<br />All M 19 FRA<br />All M 15 AUS<br />All M 12 IRI<br />All M 11 HUN<br />All M 11 CUB<br />All M 11 BRA<br />All M 10 UKR<br />All M 9 CAN<br />All M 8 AZE<br />All M 7 NZL<br />All M 7 KEN<br />All M 7 KAZ<br />All M 7 JAM<br />All M 7 GEO<br />All M 7 DEN<br />All M 6 SWE<br />All M 6 ESP<br />All M 5 POL<br />All M 5 NED<br />All M 5 CZE<br />All M 4 UZB<br />All M 4 TRI<br />All M 4 RSA<br />All M 4 MGL<br />All M 4 IND<br />All M 4 CRO<br />All M 4 COL<br />All M 3 SLO<br />All M 3 ROU<br />All M 3 PRK<br />All M 3 NOR<br />All M 3 LTU<br />All M 3 IRL<br />All M 3 BLR<br />All M 3 ARG<br />All M 2 TUR<br />All M 2 TUN<br />All M 2 SVK<br />All M 2 SUI<br />All M 2 SRB<br />All M 2 QAT<br />All M 2 PUR<br />All M 2 MEX<br />All M 2 LAT<br />All M 2 INA<br />All M 2 ETH<br />All M 2 EST<br />All M 2 EGY<br />All M 2 DOM<br />All M 2 ARM<br />All M 1 VEN<br />All M 1 UGA<br />All M 1 THA<br />All M 1 POR<br />All M 1 MDA<br />All M 1 MAS<br />All M 1 MAR<br />All M 1 KUW<br />All M 1 GUA<br />All M 1 GRN<br />All M 1 GRE<br />All M 1 GAB<br />All M 1 FIN<br />All M 1 CYP<br />All M 1 BUL<br />All M 1 BOT<br />All M 1 BEL<br />All M 1 BAH<br />All M 1 ALG<br />All M 1 AFG<br /><br />All W 58 USA<br />All W 49 CHN<br />All W 44 RUS<br />All W 20 GBR<br />All W 20 AUS<br />All W 17 JPN<br />All W 15 FRA<br />All W 13 GER<br />All W 11 UKR<br />All W 11 NED<br />All W 11 ESP<br />All W 9 CAN<br />All W 9 BLR<br />All W 8 ITA<br />All W 7 KOR<br />All W 6 ROU<br />All W 6 KAZ<br />All W 6 HUN<br />All W 6 BRA<br />All W 5 POL<br />All W 5 NZL<br />All W 5 MEX<br />All W 5 JAM<br />All W 5 ETH<br />All W 5 CZE<br />All W 4 KEN<br />All W 4 COL<br />All W 3 TUR<br />All W 3 PRK<br />All W 3 CUB<br />All W 2 TPE<br />All W 2 THA<br />All W 2 SVK<br />All W 2 SRB<br />All W 2 SIN<br />All W 2 RSA<br />All W 2 LTU<br />All W 2 IND<br />All W 2 FIN<br />All W 2 CRO<br />All W 2 BEL<br />All W 2 AZE<br />All W 1 TUN<br />All W 1 TJK<br />All W 1 SWE<br />All W 1 SUI<br />All W 1 SLO<br />All W 1 NOR<br />All W 1 MNE<br />All W 1 MGL<br />All W 1 MDA<br />All W 1 MAS<br />All W 1 IRL<br />All W 1 HKG<br />All W 1 GRE<br />All W 1 DEN<br />All W 1 BUL<br />All W 1 BRN<br />All W 1 ARM<br />All W 1 ARG<br /><br />From raw data here: <a href="http://projects.wsj.com/olympics2012/london-medal-count/js/fullResults.json" rel="nofollow">http://projects.wsj.com/olympics2012/london-medal-count/js/fullResults.json</a>Kai Carverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15104699147862191024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88717099869866986372012-08-13T05:31:30.861-07:002012-08-13T05:31:30.861-07:00The question is interesting, but I'm not sure ...The question is interesting, but I'm not sure this metric is the right way to go about assessing it.<br /><br />Most countries would drastically change their position in the chart simply by moving one of their medals. Switzerland, for instance, would jump from next to last to middle of the pack if either they'd gotten silver instead of gold in either the triathlon or riding.<br /><br />If you look at just teams with 10 or more total medals, (18 teams) half are within a few % of the expected value of 2/3, and about half of the rest would only require moving a single medal to be very close to the expected value. <br /><br />Only a few teams are solidly outside the close range: Russia, Australia, Korea, Japan and Canada. The first four have gold count above expectation while Canada is (significantly!) below.<br /><br />However, only one of the five is one I'd rather not have as a neighbor, and it's not the odd one out when it comes to ratio of gold medals to total medals.<br /><br />TWAndrewsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31293680961473822122012-08-12T14:40:29.949-07:002012-08-12T14:40:29.949-07:00Nice concept -- in the next iteration, I think you...Nice concept -- in the next iteration, I think you should normalise for the phenomenon known as 'regression towards the mean'. Countries with more medal wins should show a greater tendency towards non extreme performance -- presumably more bronzes than silvers, and more silvers than gold. Smaller countries, fielding fewer athletes, are more likely to be chance outliers.<br /><br />An estimate of the *significance* of the result will, thus, vary by country.<br /><br />Proof of sportmanship or non-sportsmanship should be relative to some scale or metric, setting how significant an outlier is, derived from the model restriction on the null hypothesis: that the outlier is purely due to chance. Wald's distance, since it has the shortest scale factor and the most false positives, is the least interesting metric for your purposes.<br /><br />All the best -- great concept.Macrobiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09188456616686757899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42082750447361511272012-08-11T23:11:57.576-07:002012-08-11T23:11:57.576-07:00Or, looking at those in eight place from both the ...Or, looking at those in eight place from both the top and the bottom, who would you rather have as your neighbor - Romania (on top) or Great Britain (on bottom)?JInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64484712356559551622012-08-11T18:24:39.214-07:002012-08-11T18:24:39.214-07:00The East German Women's Olympic Team thanks yo...<i>The East German Women's Olympic Team thanks you for remembering their prowess.</i> <br /><br />You did realize that clip was a joke, yes?<br /><br /><i>East Germany was guilty of serious doping, and are considered by many to have invented it.</i> <br /><br />This may or may not be correct, but your link says nothing about doping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71507232297071388552012-08-11T18:17:31.296-07:002012-08-11T18:17:31.296-07:00Being quickest over 10 yards is pretty important, ...<i>Being quickest over 10 yards is pretty important, which is why black players are enormously over-represented at the top levels of UK soccer.</i> <br /><br />Enormously over-represented compared to what? The top levels of UK soccer does not draw players from the UK, but from the whole world. Even if we use a very generous definition of "black" to include all sorts of half-breeds and quarter breeds, the top levels of UK soccer are low on blacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18488337395114450072012-08-11T18:12:49.686-07:002012-08-11T18:12:49.686-07:00Race walking is actually a very intense and punish...Race walking is actually a very intense and punishing event. The 50K is about 31 miles. Walking 31 miles at a fast pace is very difficult and physically and mentally challenging. Many of the athletes collapse and get injured or don't make it through the grueling event:<br /><br />http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/track-and-field/walk-at-your-own-risk.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58740716699427854012012-08-11T18:09:41.472-07:002012-08-11T18:09:41.472-07:00Both the 50K and 20K men's race walk gold meda...Both the 50K and 20K men's race walk gold medalists from the 2008 Olympics have been caught doping.<br /><br />The 50K gold medalist from Italy was caught just before this year's Olympics and didn't participate this year.<br /><br />The 20K gold medalist was actually caught a few months before the 2008 Olympics but for some reason nothing came of it and he was allowed to compete and win the gold:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeriy_Borchin<br /><br /><i>A week prior to the 2008 Summer Olympics, his coach Viktor Chegin admitted that Borchin and fellow Russian walker Vladimir Kanaykin had failed an out-of-competition test in April that year, testing positive for the blood-booster EPO.[6] However, he dismissed the claims, saying he had not given a positive test and he not trained with or spoken to any of the other Russian walkers. Borchin was allowed to compete and won the gold medal in the 20 km race at the Olympics.[7][8] It was not explained why Borchin was allowed to compete – in spite the admittance of a positive test by the Russian Athletics Federation, he did not received a doping ban and was allowed to keep his medal and continue racing.[9]</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18446239978049189432012-08-11T11:44:18.676-07:002012-08-11T11:44:18.676-07:00"Greeks should revive the Olympics only for t..."Greeks should revive the Olympics only for themselves with only the events the ancients played. And they can give out prizes like olive oil as they did long ago"<br /><br />Greeks should make the athletes perform naked, as they did in ancient times. Ratings would be phenomenal. It might pay of the entire Greek debt. They could even reclaim the "Olympic" trademark since, hell, the Greeks invented the idea.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29667907441301379902012-08-11T11:34:53.281-07:002012-08-11T11:34:53.281-07:00"The country which used to really punch above...<b>"The country which used to really punch above its weight in the Olympics was East Germany. In the 1988 Olympics, the last in which East Germany participated, it won more gold medals (37) and more overall medals (102) than did the United States (36 golds out of 94 medals). And it did it with a population of just 16 million people!"</b><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4EtaayUHWs" rel="nofollow">The East German Women's Olympic Team</a> thanks you for remembering their prowess.<br /><br />East Germany was guilty of serious doping, and are considered by many <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany_at_the_1988_Summer_Olympics" rel="nofollow"> to have invented it</a>.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43204891282050135422012-08-11T10:42:12.729-07:002012-08-11T10:42:12.729-07:00The country which used to really punch above its w...<i>The country which used to really punch above its weight in the Olympics was East Germany.<br />In the 1988 Olympics, the last in which East Germany participated, it won more gold medals (37) and more overall medals (102) than did the United States (36 golds out of 94 medals). And it did it with a population of just 16 million people!</i><br /><br />If drug testing in 1988 were as sophisticated as it is today, East Germany's medal count would have been a lot lower.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04266094188872421777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62265075482015410122012-08-11T10:12:52.918-07:002012-08-11T10:12:52.918-07:00The WSJ has something like this that GB is winning...The WSJ has something like this that GB is winning because they also have most of the last placed finalists as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76420797877271653722012-08-11T08:01:42.638-07:002012-08-11T08:01:42.638-07:00"the decathlon guys are, obviously, the best ..."the decathlon guys are, obviously, the best athletes in the track & field world. the best decathlon guys run faster than almost any cornerback in the NFL, throw further than any quarterback in the NFL, and jump higher than any wide receiver in the NFL. "<br /><br />Really? Then uh, stupid question here; WHY AREN'T THEY PLAYING IN THE NFL????Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58949976747626945112012-08-11T07:33:29.118-07:002012-08-11T07:33:29.118-07:00"Soccer is not a sport which plays to West Af...<i>"Soccer is not a sport which plays to West African strengths. To the limited extent soccer is like a race, it's a long distance race and not a sprint."</i><br /><br />Not so. Being quickest over 10 yards is pretty important, which is why black players are enormously over-represented at the top levels of UK soccer. No matter what your endurance, if you can't get the ball you're in trouble.<br /><br />(Having said that, the best team in the world - Spain - is not terribly black. And the UK soccer Olympics side, where black players featured prominently, were very poor.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46434981821132683372012-08-11T06:15:52.678-07:002012-08-11T06:15:52.678-07:00"There's offsides in soccer. So speed doe..."There's offsides in soccer. So speed doesn't help you that much. "<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehmUJahl-s" rel="nofollow">it's kinda awesome when it does</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64556258445725597112012-08-10T18:59:03.705-07:002012-08-10T18:59:03.705-07:00Soccer is not a sport which is plays to West Afric...Soccer is not a sport which is plays to West African strengths. To the limited extent soccer is like a race, it's a long distance race and not a sprint. Soccer is not a game in which the team with the biggest-strongest-fastest guys automatically comes out on top. Maybe that's why Americans can't wrap their heads around it as a sport. American notions of sport have become very Afro-centric.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27884878282258039802012-08-10T18:45:19.234-07:002012-08-10T18:45:19.234-07:00The country which used to really punch above its w...The country which used to really punch above its weight in the Olympics was East Germany.<br /><br />In the 1988 Olympics, the last in which East Germany participated, it won more gold medals (37) and more overall medals (102) than did the United States (36 golds out of 94 medals). And it did it with a population of just 16 million people!<br /><br />So far in the 2012 games, the unified Germany has 10 golds and 42 medals of all sorts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76963112696399245982012-08-10T18:35:05.383-07:002012-08-10T18:35:05.383-07:00All? Only you, jody. In your own head and I think ...<i>All? Only you, jody. In your own head and I think it's more a confused buzz than actual laughter.</i><br /><br />There's offsides in soccer. So speed doesn't help you that much. You can't just sprint past everyone for a pass like a wide receiver in football. And he's too old to develop the skills. <br /><br />This is just hype like with Jordan and baseball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36643988258025833602012-08-10T17:37:01.421-07:002012-08-10T17:37:01.421-07:00"Or because Chinese aren't particularly w..."Or because Chinese aren't particularly well-suited to wrestling?"<br /><br />Ummm, their racial cousins the japanese are doing very well with 3 gold medals and 2 bronze. South Korea has won a gold as well. So obviously it can't be a racial handicap.<br /><br />China is the leading nation in weightlifting by the way, with 5 gold medals. North Korea is 3rd with 3 gold medals....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84246623360955329982012-08-10T16:40:49.665-07:002012-08-10T16:40:49.665-07:00jody sez:
why we all have a good laugh when usain...jody sez:<br /><br />why we all have a good laugh when usain bolt asks soccer teams for tryouts.<br /><br />---------------------<br /><br />All? Only you, jody. In your own head and I think it's more a confused buzz than actual laughter.Haciendanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14690117711189315402012-08-10T16:32:05.335-07:002012-08-10T16:32:05.335-07:00anon-
"Greeks should revive the Olympics onl...anon-<br /><br />"Greeks should revive the Olympics only for themselves with only the events the ancients played. And they can give out prizes like olive oil as they did long ago"<br /><br />Or perhaps they could give out Euros like olive oil, as they did for the last ten years?BigNoniePhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671756632077615986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83177555862141298732012-08-10T16:05:41.048-07:002012-08-10T16:05:41.048-07:00as far as what is the least expensive, least resou...as far as what is the least expensive, least resource intensive sport, both soccer and boxing cost less and require less to get into that track & field. but african africans don't dominate those sports. and they're big money sports too, so there's the extra motivation of millions of dollars for success. in fact, poor eastern europeans, especially ukrainians, who make only about 4000 dollars a year on average, have good track, soccer, and boxing programs.<br /><br />that's the thing which the american boxing commentators never talk about. they always attribute part of mexican and african boxing success in the US to mexicans and africans being poor and coming from dangerous cities. but eastern europeans are far poorer and come from actual war zones. nobody in the US is making 4000 dollars a year and facing machinegun fire and aircraft bombing runs like novak djokovic was when bill clinton was bombing his country at the same time djokovic was trying to become a better tennis player.jodynoreply@blogger.com