tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post9112745311656203202..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT: Cut back on LSAT to benefit NAMsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7163143156302608392009-03-17T20:13:00.000-07:002009-03-17T20:13:00.000-07:00"America would be better off if the transatlantic ..."America would be better off if the transatlantic slave trade had never happened, yes or no?"<BR/><BR/>No. What do I win?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38206828099653486812009-03-17T16:44:00.000-07:002009-03-17T16:44:00.000-07:00Let's play a quick game of word substitution:"Free...<I>Let's play a quick game of word substitution:<BR/><BR/>"Free labor is, by and large, an unprofitable production method."</I><BR/><BR/>Let's play a quick game of hypothetical question:<BR/><BR/>"America would be better off if the transatlantic slave trade had never happened, yes or no?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52719609040384793322009-03-17T16:39:00.000-07:002009-03-17T16:39:00.000-07:00I disagree, I would say that blacks fake higher se...<I>I disagree, I would say that blacks fake higher self esteem than whites.</I><BR/><BR/>Some of us actually know, or have know, lots of blacks you know. Just thought I'd point that out. Self-reporting on sociological tests isn't the extent of the data.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64738885351218622762009-03-17T16:36:00.000-07:002009-03-17T16:36:00.000-07:00(and I don't know the actual figures but would gue...<I>(and I don't know the actual figures but would guess that at least as many went to South America as to the territory that became the U.S.)</I><BR/><BR/>I don't recall the figures either, but I do remember that many more went to South America than went to North America.<BR/><BR/>Brazil and the Caribbean were meat-grinders for slaves (plenty of them white, btw).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75582026495461318592009-03-17T15:45:00.000-07:002009-03-17T15:45:00.000-07:00"Truth, you're not even trying any more. Blacks ha..."Truth, you're not even trying any more. Blacks have higher self-esteem than whites."<BR/><BR/>I disagree, I would say that blacks fake higher self esteem than whites.<BR/><BR/>"The slaving ships and their owners were in the transportation business and would have hauled other cargoes had not the produce of the slavers been available;"<BR/><BR/>Then why didn't they?<BR/><BR/>A) because the cargo they were hauling was the most valuable that could be attained at that time.<BR/><BR/>B) Because white people suddenly got smart and learned how to add and subtract in 1830.<BR/><BR/>"<BR/>Chattel slavery is, by and large, an unprofitable production method."<BR/><BR/>Let's play a quick game of word substitution:<BR/><BR/>"Free labor is, by and large, an unprofitable production method."<BR/><BR/>"You'll have to face the reality that the actual folks that deprived men of their liberty, put them into chains, and sold them onward, were, in fact, similarly, black African men."<BR/><BR/>I never once said that there wasn't a large amount of black complicity in slavery. If you'll read my posts...again...you'll see that. However, you are the "smart", "Christian", "less prone to violence", and "civilized" ones in society, right? do you hold your 2 year old and your 9 year old to the same standards?<BR/><BR/>"I don't know the actual figures but would guess that at least as many went to South America as to the territory that became the U.S."<BR/><BR/>And who controlled the South American slave trade? Mestizos? I thought there was only one white race; there is when someone gets killed killed by an African-American, why not when discussing slavery?<BR/><BR/>"slavery could not be considered an "unmitigated evil" for the very simple reason that it was a "step up," offering an alternative to the extermination of opponents, Truth went on to make me out as some sort of apologist for slavery."<BR/><BR/>I think that very statement makes you...drum roll please..."some sort of apologist for slavery." You have yet to admit that it was a bad thing and choose to focus on all of the benefits that coming to this country provided (as though our hard work had nothing to do with these.) That screams "apologist" in my book; and once again, how would you feel if your kids were sold "down the river?"<BR/><BR/>"Evidently, he sees value in perpetuating divisiveness."<BR/><BR/>You are the one perpetuating divisiveness, I am only being logical. Once again, slavery was a bad thing, is that "divisive" or "logical"?<BR/><BR/>"via stories designed just for that purpose (such as that blacks were considered "3/5ths of a person" or that blacks "weren't<BR/>permitted to read," etc.)"<BR/><BR/>These are not "stories" they are historical facts, and if you'll re-read that thread you will see that I didn't bring them up, you did.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53315654862345627222009-03-17T07:31:00.000-07:002009-03-17T07:31:00.000-07:00Blode0322:It's useless to attempt a truth-sseking ...Blode0322:<BR/><BR/>It's useless to attempt a truth-sseking discussion with "Truth."<BR/>To cite a recent example, after I'd pointed out that, from a viewpoint encompassing the development of civilization, slavery could not be considered an "unmitigated evil" for the very simple reason that it was a "step up," offering an alternative to the extermination of opponents, Truth went on to make me out as some sort of apologist for slavery.<BR/>Evidently, he sees value in perpetuating divisiveness (perhaps to promote "solidarity" of some sort) via stories designed just for that purpose (such as that blacks were considered "3/5ths of a person" or that blacks "weren't<BR/>permitted to read," etc.). No facts must intrude on his views and, to the extent that they cannot be discredited, they must be denied and their utterer mischaracterized and slandered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75195768574794417062009-03-17T06:44:00.000-07:002009-03-17T06:44:00.000-07:00Further, "Truth," why do you ignore the role of Af...Further, "Truth," why do you ignore the role of African blacks in the trade? Truth would recognize that these were the folks specifically ENSLAVING the unfortunates. I guess "Truth" is your last name (and your first name is "Selective").<BR/><BR/>Chattel slavery is, by and large, an unprofitable production method.<BR/>The slaving ships and their owners were in the transportation business and would have hauled other cargoes had not the produce of the slavers been available; the auctioneers and other middelmen would have had to handle other commodities. You'll have to face the reality that the actual folks that deprived men of their liberty, put them into chains, and sold them onward, were, in fact, similarly, black African men. In other parts of Africa, there were others also involved in such phase but not so much in West Africa, from which most sold into American slavery originated (and I don't know the actual figures but would guess that at least as many went to South America as to the territory that became the U.S.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34995677458589850872009-03-16T15:57:00.000-07:002009-03-16T15:57:00.000-07:00Truth, you're not even trying any more. Blacks ha...Truth, you're not even trying any more. Blacks have higher self-esteem than whites. Do you deny this? Why did you narrow the frame of reference from "slavery" to "American slavery"?B322https://www.blogger.com/profile/18257802768718375656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57760907786172114842009-03-14T10:42:00.000-07:002009-03-14T10:42:00.000-07:00It's possible that these proposed new tests may si...<I>It's possible that these proposed new tests may simply select for inflated self-images, which could be the point.</I><BR/><BR/>Indeed. High black self-esteem, which is obvious to everyone, can be used to create affirmative action as long as everyone denies that blacks have higher self-esteem than average. It's almost as if the relentless talk about how whites are responsible for slavery, which apparently had exclusively black victims and white perpetrators, is hurting white self-esteem. Which is a real coup, given that those ideas are complete lies.B322https://www.blogger.com/profile/18257802768718375656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71114177960787346832009-03-14T06:42:00.000-07:002009-03-14T06:42:00.000-07:00I supposed the "Angela" question I pasted upthread...I supposed the "Angela" question I pasted upthread had inspired "DK" to invent his inane "How many times in the past year were you able to think of a way of doing something..."?<BR/><BR/>Nope. Bottom of page 35 of the <A HREF="http://www.law.berkeley.edu/admissions_study.htm" REL="nofollow">full report.</A><BR/><BR/>Professor Marjorie Shultz of UC Berkeley: immune to parody.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80643884199511171512009-03-13T16:55:00.000-07:002009-03-13T16:55:00.000-07:00I decided that I would also take a look at the rep...I decided that I would also take a look at the report. Here's another one of those example questions from it.<BR/><BR/><I>An example of one BIO item is shown below. We determined that this particular example reflected competency in both Creativity and Problem Solving:<BR/><BR/>How many times in the past year were you able to think of a way of doing<BR/>something that most others would not have thought of?<BR/><BR/>a. Almost never.<BR/>b. Seldom.<BR/>c. Sometimes.<BR/>d. Often.<BR/>e. Very frequently.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>It's possible that these proposed new tests may simply select for inflated self-images, which could be the point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78800659423777358502009-03-13T16:14:00.000-07:002009-03-13T16:14:00.000-07:00I'm interested in how this new test creates a perf...I'm interested in how this new test creates a performance distribution without a white/asian performance advantage. It goes against the joke of the jewish kid still getting the highest grade in a black studies class. Please post more details on this particular aspect.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully Anonymous<BR/>http://www.hopeanon.typepad.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69163574719915033312009-03-13T12:33:00.000-07:002009-03-13T12:33:00.000-07:00Ben Tillman:Methinks such protest unavailing. And ...Ben Tillman:<BR/><BR/>Methinks such protest unavailing. And that it's age even more than education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56812411930363122902009-03-13T12:27:00.000-07:002009-03-13T12:27:00.000-07:00AMAC:Go on--you can spell it out:i-n-f-ibulated. B...AMAC:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Go on--you can spell it out:<BR/>i-n-f-ibulated. But, for the life of me, I can't see what possible good that would do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89591508697298705102009-03-13T12:22:00.000-07:002009-03-13T12:22:00.000-07:00Unlike in fields such as computer programmer where...<I>Unlike in fields such as computer programmer where job applicants are grilled with technical question, for some reason the law firm interviewers NEVER try to test your knowledge of the law.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually many interviewers for programmer positions also fail to ask any technical questions. The reason is simply that the interviewer is embarassed when the interviewee can't come up with an answer. To avoid that pain many with hiring authority rely on paper credentials.<BR/><BR/>At an Internet startup I had to hire a new programmer. I simply asked one question, "What is Third Normal Form?" Everyone said they had heard of it but no one quite knew what it was. It was a very painful process. After 26 interviews I finally found someone who could answer my question. The Personnel people of course thought I was crazy.albertosaurushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209465319904999278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50483687392116588662009-03-13T10:56:00.000-07:002009-03-13T10:56:00.000-07:00"And exactly how many law firms have you interview..."And exactly how many law firms have you interviewed with?"<BR/><BR/>I'd say around 20.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81812633052860248802009-03-13T08:26:00.000-07:002009-03-13T08:26:00.000-07:00That's right, Truth, no lawyers who have applied f...That's right, Truth, no lawyers who have applied for jobs ever comment on this blog. Stupid troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41858550725716942402009-03-12T21:48:00.000-07:002009-03-12T21:48:00.000-07:00The Law School Admissions Council, which administe...<I>The Law School Admissions Council, which administers the LSAT, helped finance Professor Shultz’s research, which has not appeared in any scholarly journals.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't understand how the LSAC benefited from funding this study. Do they intend to have greater revenue from a longer test? Or are they just committed leftists, like so many of the others in this society?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75335650075971299002009-03-12T19:34:00.000-07:002009-03-12T19:34:00.000-07:00Further to Ivy's admittedly off-topic post, this i...Further to Ivy's admittedly off-topic post, this is the sort of thing which casts doubt on Richard Lynn's scientific integrity, and thus on his widely quoted IQ-by-country numbers:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://pyjamasinbananas.blogspot.com/2007/10/sex-and-iq.html" REL="nofollow">Sex and IQ</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9143027474755354112009-03-12T19:21:00.000-07:002009-03-12T19:21:00.000-07:00Also Turkheimer finds:"found a massive dependence ...<I>Also Turkheimer finds:<BR/><BR/>"found a massive dependence of the broad-sense heritability on IQ on status, running from nearly zero at low status to about 0.8 at high status."</I><BR/><BR/>Steve actually did address that particular study back in <A HREF="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/07/nyt-on-two-iq-studies-one-good-and-one.html" REL="nofollow">July of 2006</A>:<BR/><BR/>"Turkheimer's paper isn't terribly persuasive because it seems disingenuous. It's particularly frustrating to read because, as far as I can tell, it refuses to tell us what were the average IQs of the children tested, or most of the other most interesting basic facts about the data."<BR/><BR/>"A few years ago I emailed Turkheimer asking him to reveal these numbers, but he never responded. Later, I got an email from a friend of Turkheimer's chiding me for criticizing his paper. When I explained that I needed to know these basic facts about the study, he agreed, and offered to ask Turkheimer for the numbers, but then I never heard anything more."<BR/><BR/>"This is important because psychometrician <A HREF="http://dissectleft.blogspot.com/2003_08_31_dissectleft_archive.html#106268548616599130" REL="nofollow">John Ray</A> has put forward a plausible-sounding alternative suggestion:"<BR/><BR/>"Full publication of the study has not been done as yet but from what we know so far it seems that what they found was in fact much simpler than that. They found that if you separated out low income respondents (mostly black) and studied them alone, the role of heredity was less important in explaining IQ differences. That does sound like a real finding but it is in fact what statisticians would call a 'restriction of range effect.' In other words, if you take ANY group and select out a subset that is relatively homogeneous with regard to some variable, differences in that variable will tend to have less importance in explaining other differences. Since socioeconomic status and race are substantially correlated with heritable IQ, that is precisely what these researchers have done: Selected a group that is relatively homogeneous in genetic inheritance for IQ and then said: 'Hey! Differences in genetic inheritance are not so important here!' Statisticians would call the finding an 'artifact'--i.e. something created by the research procedure rather than a genuine finding about the world."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57235596368235823722009-03-12T16:51:00.000-07:002009-03-12T16:51:00.000-07:00Silver lining, people.Wouldn't it be great for the...Silver lining, people.<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be great for the US if bar exams were altered to help dumber people become lawyers?<BR/><BR/>I can see a series of only good ramifications coming from such a change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10715963586569711572009-03-12T16:31:00.000-07:002009-03-12T16:31:00.000-07:00"Death Bredon"AKA Lord Peter Wimsey in disguise. B..."Death Bredon"<BR/><BR/>AKA Lord Peter Wimsey in disguise. But your incognito shall be pierced when you are unable to suppress completely Europe's most outstanding oenophilic palate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10619437387950910692009-03-12T15:51:00.000-07:002009-03-12T15:51:00.000-07:00You learn that a co-worker, Angela, who you helped...<I>You learn that a co-worker, Angela, who you helped train for the job, copied some confidential and proprietary information from the company’s files. What would you do?</I><BR/><BR/>It's "whom", not "who", and it's "do", not "would" (if you insist on using the present indicative in the first sentence).<BR/><BR/>These people teach at Berkeley?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40886953513680625502009-03-12T14:42:00.000-07:002009-03-12T14:42:00.000-07:00I agree that the test is completely vulnerable to ...I agree that the test is completely vulnerable to being prepared for.<BR/><BR/>It looks to me like they basically created a test which has an element of randomness in it since the answers are somewhat debatable. <BR/><BR/>Here's a better way to eliminate racial bias in the tests without that sort of vulnerabilit: Just assign scores at random.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82406933921953920662009-03-12T14:02:00.000-07:002009-03-12T14:02:00.000-07:00The answer that will guarantee your ascension to t...<I>The answer that will guarantee your ascension to the top tier of white-shoe firms, is--surprisingly--to have Angela inf</I><BR/><BR/>Sorry to have to cut that final paragraph short. Since I can't be sure that readers of these comments have the desired demographic characteristics, it wouldn't be proper to continue.AMachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08872008617279528583noreply@blogger.com