tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post9180891425771242415..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Genes being incorporated in federal longitudinal social studiesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16397876712442743492009-01-08T21:32:00.000-08:002009-01-08T21:32:00.000-08:00I imagine capturing and storing data at the base p...<I> I imagine capturing and storing data at the base pair level is impractical today. </I><BR/><BR/>Not impractical at all. <BR/><BR/>ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genomes/H_sapiens/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11467659090353096422009-01-08T16:26:00.000-08:002009-01-08T16:26:00.000-08:00The important point is that we are slowly developi...<I>The important point is that we are slowly developing the tools to answer nature-nurture questions fairly definitively. </I> <BR/><BR/>Not slowly. Rapidly. And the rate of progress is increasing exponentially.Markkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459969689345560778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74344266333581063842009-01-08T12:11:00.000-08:002009-01-08T12:11:00.000-08:00How is the genetic data represented? All DNA sequ...How is the genetic data represented? All DNA sequences are made of up four bases of which two complement two others. Therefore DNA encoding is discrete and digital.<BR/><BR/>If we were to represent DNA information at the base pair level we could use the database as a resource in the future to study genetic patterns of which we are currently ignorant.<BR/><BR/>If the data is encoded at a higher level we will be restricted to patterns of only those genes identified to date. <BR/><BR/>I imagine capturing and storing data at the base pair level is impractical today.albertosaurushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209465319904999278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67415790463014678692009-01-08T12:08:00.000-08:002009-01-08T12:08:00.000-08:00To borrow a phrase from your favorite philosopher,...To borrow a phrase from your favorite philosopher, I believe we'll reach a "tipping point" after which the elites will decide to ride the tiger rather than shoot at it.<BR/><BR/>We sort of have a context, because this egalitarian dogma originally defined gender as strictly environmental. Shortly after the botched circumcision experiment disasters and laughably obvious data about gender differences piled up, they got very silent about it and have largely went along with it.<BR/><BR/>That's what happens when you're up against people who use science and reason as weapons. They fall back, they regroup, they move to higher ground.<BR/><BR/>While they've quietly accepted defeat on gender sameness, you'll notice that they've successfully managed to keep all the policy changes which were enacted during the mass delusion. So they won.<BR/><BR/>You still have a male and female military. You still have affirmative action for females. You still have Title IX. That's how it will likely be with this new wave. They'll let us win the debate but refuse to accept the results in formulating policy.<BR/><BR/>We'll eventually win this debate, but it will be like Napoleon taking Moscow. As long as we continue refusing to name the opponent, as long as we keep being distracted by their proxy battles, we'll continue losing.Matt Parrotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00794652979966181081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74366700050812493782009-01-08T11:02:00.000-08:002009-01-08T11:02:00.000-08:00ummm, the data will eventually be publicly availab...ummm, the data will eventually be publicly available and anyone can use it. Steve could use it. You could use it. The Federal data infrastructure is an unambiguously good thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38248678093493076442009-01-08T08:54:00.000-08:002009-01-08T08:54:00.000-08:00Will the raw data be openly available? If so, othe...Will the raw data be openly available? If so, others can investigate questions from a scientific, open-minded point of view.RobertHumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03913525250329418444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81237075855727143692009-01-08T05:47:00.000-08:002009-01-08T05:47:00.000-08:00Blank slate Creationists? Most Creationists would...Blank slate Creationists? Most Creationists would agree that humans are flawed from birth due to original sin. Other than that, fascinating post, Steve!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84518898395155035252009-01-08T03:38:00.000-08:002009-01-08T03:38:00.000-08:00"I said he must have Native American ancestry, and..."I said he must have Native American ancestry, and the two women sociologists let me have it."<BR/><BR/>Humorless academics, but then I repeat myself . . .Black Seahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16347464061061628147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39826274634989265332009-01-08T02:12:00.000-08:002009-01-08T02:12:00.000-08:00Honest genetic reasearch AND publication coupled w...Honest genetic reasearch AND publication coupled with guys like Steve applying it to real-life situations, drawing policy conclusions and explaining it to the unconcentrated avg joes like us will go a long way. But in the end the internal logic and math of the elite needs to change before we see new laws. As long as the Kennedys, the Bushs, the Boxers, the Gates make a buck out of the current system, all this new development will not will pass them by like fog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12002533245571201832009-01-08T01:56:00.000-08:002009-01-08T01:56:00.000-08:00Ron Guhname:"and the two women sociologists let me...Ron Guhname:<BR/>"and the two women sociologists let me have it."<BR/><BR/>Tough company to hang out with. Find some engineers. They even get funny after a few beers. Of course you need some tech knowledge yourself for it to work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55173588566442601232009-01-07T21:18:00.000-08:002009-01-07T21:18:00.000-08:00On the one hand it's encouraging to see some socio...On the one hand it's encouraging to see some sociologists take genes seriously, but really it's the wrong discipline conducting these expensive longitudinal surveys. Sociologists simply cannot be trusted. <BR/><BR/>It's clear from the article that one major motivation is to use these data to show that genes are not the powerful force that people fear they are. They cite findings showing how environment nullifies the impact of genes. <BR/><BR/>And I'll bet a stack of money that they will repress, distort, and outright lie about unwanted findings. Only findings which do not threaten cherished beliefs will be published. <BR/><BR/>The sociologists involved have refused to even look at race. They absolutely will not be honest about these topics. I am speaking of the discipline and not a rogue researcher. <BR/><BR/>Having sociologists do these kinds of studies is like putting fundamentalists in charge of investigating the truth of the Bible. They are zombified ideologues.<BR/><BR/>Just the other day I got chewed out by a couple of them for telling a joke. One prof drove our rental car and had an uncanny ability to find our destinations in a strange city. I said he must have Native American ancestry, and the two women sociologists let me have it.Ron Guhnamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421460508647618774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39926054903701475862009-01-07T20:03:00.000-08:002009-01-07T20:03:00.000-08:00I wouldn't get too sanguine, guys. The Catholic Ch...I wouldn't get too sanguine, guys. The Catholic Church squashed astronomical research for how many years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78330896109472229992009-01-07T17:35:00.000-08:002009-01-07T17:35:00.000-08:00I hope to live long enough to experience Bell Curv...I hope to live long enough to experience Bell Curve War II. The strawmen , the ad hominem, the turgid obfuscation, it will be delicious. Right now there is some nascent Steven J. Gould waiting to explain to layman that the genetic tools developed in the previous 30 years are rubbish and that human equality is a historical fact of human contingency (or something like that).Statsquatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17817921893921527627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90764750578625729172009-01-07T16:14:00.000-08:002009-01-07T16:14:00.000-08:00"What has led to the new genetic turn in sociology...<I>"What has led to the new genetic turn in sociology, at least among a minority?"</I><BR/><BR/>What has led to the new the-Earth-is-round turn in geography, at least among a minority?<BR/><BR/><I>"...but it appears that they will have to do both genetic and IQ testing ("cognitive") to answer their questions, such as whether chronic exposure to insecticides hurts cognitive function.</I><BR/><BR/>Sticking with the analogy, this is like the true shape of our planet being accidentally confirmed as a side effect of an exhaustive world-wide search for pots of gold at the rainbows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37231635744148185942009-01-07T15:54:00.000-08:002009-01-07T15:54:00.000-08:00"Various findings on the influence of genes, such ..."Various findings on the influence of genes, such as The Gene for Not Getting Any, but I don't like to trumpet early research on behavioral genetics since so much of it doesn't pan out."<BR/><BR/>Steve, I recommend that you read through your comments at least once before you hit the "Submit" button.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78179915584698118042009-01-07T14:42:00.000-08:002009-01-07T14:42:00.000-08:00Why are you kidding? There may well be genes that...Why are you kidding? There may well be genes that code for proclivity to participate in research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31662849129885149992009-01-07T14:34:00.000-08:002009-01-07T14:34:00.000-08:0021 years is a long time, and I expect everything w...21 years is a long time, and I expect everything will be in the open before then.<BR/><BR/>If we get another 2 years of progress in DNA sequencing cost-reductions, it will make economic sense for national militaries to collect genetic sequence data on all their soldiers (for medical reasons alone, even ignoring the military advantages of using genetic variation to improve personnel allocation). They already have the IQ scores and outcome data.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68998424634642386492009-01-07T13:26:00.000-08:002009-01-07T13:26:00.000-08:00Steve what happened to the idea of giving special ...Steve what happened to the idea of giving special status to those of us that donate more than $500 a year? Just have us get a login that makes our posts appear in a different color - something subtle like that - it could have a real impact on the $$ of donations that come in each year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40575597502219547142009-01-07T12:41:00.000-08:002009-01-07T12:41:00.000-08:00How about the Gene For Being Interested In Genetic...How about the Gene For Being Interested In Genetics, which most of us who hang out here seem to have? Or the Gene For Denying The Influence Of Genetics, which our enemies seem to possess in such abundance?John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.com