tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post934275928911981337..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Myers-Briggs: Sensing v. IntuitionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62545336774950107802013-05-29T15:13:21.367-07:002013-05-29T15:13:21.367-07:00I have the same problem... nice to find out I'...I have the same problem... nice to find out I'm not the only one.... everytime I take the test I am either an ISTP or an INTP always leaning only 1% either way. I see a lot of both personalities in me... positive and negative, and I too drive people nut trying to understand me TreeGoddesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07742644516964165715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81753817355518625752013-02-05T18:01:08.663-08:002013-02-05T18:01:08.663-08:00What's up to every body, it's my fіrst gо ...What's up to every body, it's my fіrst gо to ѕее of this wеbpage; this blog contains aweѕome anԁ genuinely fine stuff in support of visіtors.<br /><i>Here is my page</i> ... <b><a href="http://ipadrepairkualalumpur.com" rel="nofollow">iphonefix</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20137017807247383332012-12-18T18:31:55.622-08:002012-12-18T18:31:55.622-08:00Mittens=ISTJ
No wonder I liked him!
@Truth:
You...<i>Mittens=ISTJ</i><br /><br />No wonder I liked him!<br /><br />@Truth:<br /><br /><i>You are certainly an "n" brain type, as am I, Whiskey, Svigor, Mr. Anon, and the overwhelming portion of your readership, because "S" people, generally speaking would simply not be interested in this material.</i><br /><br />I have heard this before, and it always seems that the sites I enjoy are populated heavily by INTJs - and yet, I *always* score ISTJ, which theoretically is supposed to mean that I should not be "interested" in these types of discussions. I don't think my test results are wrong - the way everyone describes "intuiting" always seems to me like an utterly foreign way to think - so I don't know why I am such an oddball ISTJ.Samson J.http://samsonsjawbone.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27734676073935183782012-12-18T18:27:17.999-08:002012-12-18T18:27:17.999-08:00isteve is a strong N-type, probably on the order o...isteve is a strong N-type, probably on the order of 90%+N. the problem with most personality typing is that the convoluted explanations and descriptions make it almost impossible to develop a real understanding of the critical concept. (it's possible that elite academics in psychology created an atmosphere of impenetrable abstruseness, the better to disguise certain realities and selectively promote falsehoods, establishing an implicit assumption/frame about psychology discourse that was then embraced by that "next class down", with the result that the S/N distinction, while absolutely critical to an understanding of people, is somehow not entirely clear to many smart people who have studied Myers-Briggs, even at this late date). The S/N difference is the most important Myers-Briggs distinction, being omnipresent and unappreciated.<br /><br />The basic S/N difference is that the S-type is experience-driven, while the N-type is a theorist. The N-type mental universe is filled with underlying factors linked by theory to predicted outcomes. The S-type universe has very little of this in favor of a set of learned procedures, inherited wisdom, and especially observations about what worked and didn't work in the past (when I swung my stick at a slightly different angle, I got a better sound off the cymbal; during Clinton's second term, the economy improved). S-types are 75% of the population. <br /><br />The S mental world emphasizes tools and procedures, and ideas for creative use of tools and adjustments to procedures. Jazz musicians, by and large, are procedures-executing S types (variety seeking ones), which may explain why they evolve technique persistently over time, revisiting the same standards over and over, but struggling to compose new works or even explain their work from a compositional standpoint. Ss love to relive experiences such as acting out favorite movie scenes (a dead giveaway of S nature). As an N, you will just shrug, "yeah, that Jon Stewart bit was pretty funny", but you won't feel it with the same bonding intensity of Ss sharing the experience and re-recording it to their hardrives. A strong N and a strong S cannot be close friends, and many other relationships may seem off due to an inability to bridge the S/N chasm. <br /><br />S-types are reluctant to act against experience, so there's not much point in trotting out predictive theories about the future when they deviate from past experience. S-types make terrible investors, since investing rewards contrarian ideas and unobvious theories, and Ss will choose stocks or managers primarily on the basis of past experience and performance. (N: "I know internet shares have continued appreciating, but they're selling for 10x revenue, 40x tangible investment with no competitive advantage and the fed is pulling the liquidity plug to avoid misallocation of resources. " S: (prior to riding his portfolio value down 70%) [blank stare]. <br /><br />The media serves an S-type eager to know what happened and record that experience, and doesn't discuss very coherently how today's factors predict tomorrow's good and bad realities.<br /><br />Ss in general don't embrace the Myers-Briggs, which is a set of theories about psychology that Ns embrace easily. The S/N distinction is used prominently by e-harmony, and psychological typing along Myers Briggs has been used by some companies going back into at least the mid-80s; I have never seen the 5 personality factors used anywhere. It's possible that elite psychologists decided to reject Myers Briggs because the typing made people seem convincingly different, rather than the same, while at the same time the framework resulted from a threateningly democratic idea development process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87358761777281262002012-12-17T12:34:17.919-08:002012-12-17T12:34:17.919-08:00This thread is dead, but I would like to point out...This thread is dead, but I would like to point out that I don't think Jung referred to these things as personality types. He referred to them as functions of consciousness, they were different ways to get information, and that people leaned on some ways more than others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63574667425789892562012-12-17T01:15:29.485-08:002012-12-17T01:15:29.485-08:00You do realise ,don't you ,that you have lost ...You do realise ,don't you ,that you have lost a lot of credibility when you start talking about the MBTI<br /><br />It belongs in what used to be called "womens magazines "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60508940141602516162012-12-16T17:31:50.517-08:002012-12-16T17:31:50.517-08:00There is nothing wrong with devoting your whole li...There is nothing wrong with devoting your whole life to one thing as long as it is a good thing. It is better to do one thing than nothing, which is what 99.999% of humans on earth ever did to change anything in a material way. <br /><br />Vendikarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50210354440145882632012-12-16T15:09:31.620-08:002012-12-16T15:09:31.620-08:00I though this was pretty funny.
http://wikka.mo...I though this was pretty funny.<br /><br /><br /> http://wikka.moreawesomethanyou.com/index.php?title=Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicatorehnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46273187835465012002012-12-16T14:44:22.734-08:002012-12-16T14:44:22.734-08:00INTJ! Along with Hitler, Marx, and Ted Kaczynski. ...<i>INTJ! Along with Hitler, Marx, and Ted Kaczynski. Hurray!</i><br /><br />And Krugman.helene edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2016443123408922642012-12-16T11:47:44.144-08:002012-12-16T11:47:44.144-08:00"INTJ! Along with Hitler, Marx, and Ted Kaczy..."INTJ! Along with Hitler, Marx, and Ted Kaczynski. Hurray!"<br /><br />The upshot being that they all focused their lives on a single cause celebré and worked at it day and night until they had, on some level achieved it. Similar to the way Sailer after working a few years decided to devote his career and life, to the discussion of HBD.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53422254260223647302012-12-16T06:21:01.461-08:002012-12-16T06:21:01.461-08:00"Truth said...
...For instance, HBD is a con..."Truth said...<br /><br />...For instance, HBD is a concept it is not processable through sensory manor on a simple basis although you may say to yourself; "geez, those blacks sure are dumb", this is not the same as saying "water is wet.""<br /><br /><br />The hell it's not, you can see, hear, and smell that on display near practically any gathering of blacks. And if you get too close, you'll feel it, too.<br /><br /><br /><br />"... I would say the chances of you being an INTJ are probably majority, with a possibility of you being an INTP or the remote chance of an INFJ. I would say the chance of you being any of the other 13 types is so low as to be statistical noise.”<br /><br /><br /><br />INTJ! Along with Hitler, Marx, and Ted Kaczynski. Hurray!<br />Nero Sandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39576291813044022252012-12-16T06:05:18.768-08:002012-12-16T06:05:18.768-08:00"Truth said...
BTW; I am a certified Myers-Br..."Truth said...<br />BTW; I am a certified Myers-Briggs practitioner, and know more about the field than many of the so-called "experts.""<br /><br />-So, Truth peddles pseudoscience for a living. Explains a lot.Hobartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13110214505241652592012-12-16T00:02:03.057-08:002012-12-16T00:02:03.057-08:00Wobbly Guy,
Wouldn't how 'draining' it...Wobbly Guy,<br />Wouldn't how 'draining' it is depend on the sort of feedback one gets from it? It seems to me that if the interactions are pleasurable -- they affirm the worth of the individual, say -- it would be much less draining than if the interactions 'confirmed' to the individual how useless and hopeless he is in social situations, and that people are right to want nothing to do with him. <br /><br />Also, I've found for myself (and I bet this holds true for othes) that the background mood I'm in can be decisive in how I socially 'perform.' Five or so years ago when I first began reading and thinking serously about HBD, it felt like a constant stream of bad news (it's <i>the</i> dismal science) and I fell into a bit of depressive funk for a while. I was certainly no fun to be around in those days. My introversion became far more pronounced. Lately, I have found a ton of reasons to feel positive about the future and I have been on a hot streak socially. Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24294182122643255102012-12-15T23:50:07.767-08:002012-12-15T23:50:07.767-08:00Cail Corishev,
Those are good points. It's fa...Cail Corishev,<br /><br />Those are good points. It's fairly easy to tell what the test is looking for and skew your answers appropiately. The best tests rate you as strong/mild/weak (or give you a percentage) across the various traits, so it's best to answer the question as specifically as possible, even if you know what the question is getting at. If the test has a broad enough array of contexts/scenarios then if you answer as specifically as you can (you refuse to skew) you'll get the most accurate reading.<br /><br />The last MB test I did (yesterday) gave me a 'slight preference' for introversion (11% I think it was), overwhelming inclinations towards N and T, and a slight preference for J over P. That seems about right.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48428973864681088912012-12-15T23:40:21.230-08:002012-12-15T23:40:21.230-08:00You were willing, even eager, to take action in th...<i>You were willing, even eager, to take action in the present but didn't get nearly so energized at the thought of acting at some point in the future.</i><br /><br />No, I think the other poster nailed it. The parking place is an obvious affront, but I couldn't imagine any chef purposely preparing a bad meal.<br /><br />The reasons I am loath to complain are:<br /><br />(1) I am the furthest thing from a gourmet so I am insecure about my evaluation. Even if I truly don't like the food, what if I'm 'wrong' and it would actually be rated 'very good' by those who know these things? Then I'll look like an idiot. Not that they'd tell me that to my face, but they'd crack jokes about it after I left. Shouldn't bother me, but ah, it does.<br /><br />(2) I get these visions of the staff giving me stern looks of disapproval for my complaints. I don't believe there is any serious likelihood of this happening, but the mind plays tricks and it 'feels' like a real possibility. That would be quite upsetting if it occurred so I avoid it.<br /><br />(3) I don't want to make the chef feel bad. Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84359235294665002822012-12-15T20:44:07.474-08:002012-12-15T20:44:07.474-08:00MBTI is just crap. Yes it can be useful in genera...MBTI is just crap. Yes it can be useful in general and in the right hands, but so can half a dozen parlor games.<br /><br />The PAI is the unofficial successor to the MMPI - which is also good for uncovering pathology, BTW - and is drawing rave reviews from the people who use it.<br /><br />http://www4.parinc.com/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=PAI Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69264962144998634982012-12-15T17:06:38.675-08:002012-12-15T17:06:38.675-08:00Another way to explain the Introvert vs Extrovert ...Another way to explain the Introvert vs Extrovert part is that Introverts CAN socialise, but it drains their energy and after a while, they need to withdraw back into isolation to recharge. Come to think of it, that seems to describe Obama almost perfectly.<br /><br />Extroverts, on the other hand, GAIN energy from being around other people, and can just go on and on. The extreme example is the all night party goer.The Wobbly Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38739276109089435432012-12-15T16:24:26.557-08:002012-12-15T16:24:26.557-08:00As a question-based test, the M-B suffers from the...As a question-based test, the M-B suffers from the fact that, if you have any idea what the test is looking for, it could cloud your answers. If you think of yourself as an introvert, for instance, and you like that image of yourself, you're going to answer all the "at a party, do you prefer to be the center of attention or talk in a small group" type of questions in the I way, whether it's objectively true or not. If you don't like being an introvert (though you are), maybe you skew the answers toward E. It's only as accurate as your self-awareness and your ability to be honest about yourself.<br /><br />It's probably more useful as a sort of shorthand when dealing with other people who know the lingo. If I tell you I'm an ISTJ and you tell me you're an ESTP, that quickly gives us both a general idea where we might be compatible and where we might conflict. It's vague, but a useful starting point.<br /><br />Also, as others said, each of the pairs is really a score on a range. So you're not really an I or an E; you're a score somewhere between -100 (I) and +100 (E), with 0 being right in the middle. (I don't remember how the numbers worked; that's just an example.) An ISTJ with scores near the middle might be more similar to an ENFP who's also near the middle than to a fellow ISTJ with extreme scores.<br /><br />Theoretically, someone could be 50/50 on each pair, and probably be the most boring person in the world.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11059415297212382022012-12-15T15:38:51.007-08:002012-12-15T15:38:51.007-08:00re: one's point in five dimensional space -- ...re: one's point in five dimensional space -- should be possible to measure the "distance" between any two individuals.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22093999695113236572012-12-15T15:37:51.265-08:002012-12-15T15:37:51.265-08:00Right, each of these opposites needs to be on a sc...Right, each of these opposites needs to be on a scale. One's personality would be a point (blur?) in five dimensional space.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87179304773115759412012-12-15T15:00:44.080-08:002012-12-15T15:00:44.080-08:00"Seems to me that your two different response..."Seems to me that your two different responses were cued into your two different perceptions of time. You were willing, even eager, to take action in the present but didn't get nearly so energized at the thought of acting at some point in the future.<br /><br />I'm kind of the same. I avoid verbal confrontation like the plague but have more than once refused to back down from a physical confrontation, even though I knew it meant I was going to get my lights punched out."<br /><br />Actually, I'm the opposite. I avoid physical confrontations (because I know I'll lose), but I'm always up for an argument.<br /><br />Culture of critique?SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41856208388328356832012-12-15T12:51:04.015-08:002012-12-15T12:51:04.015-08:00Silver makes a good point. As much as i despise As...Silver makes a good point. As much as i despise Asian culture the concept of face is one that Americans should become more acquainted with. Trying to steal a parkinf place from someone is a type of affront a bad meal isn't. its like how people get mad at people with flat tires for holding traffic up rather than saying there but for the grace of god. Nobleas oblige is seen as a purely upper class phenomenon, but it seems to me there was some real trickle down effects to it that we have lost.<br /><br /><br />o a certain extent it shows what a threadbare impact the therapeutic culture had when you move from analyzing self esteem (which has leaped bounds) to analyzing empathy which should be a byproduct of the TC. There America has became far more eager to criticize each other. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10240440479769185462012-12-15T12:47:53.145-08:002012-12-15T12:47:53.145-08:00>>Obama is probably an ENTP. Romney is an ES...>>Obama is probably an ENTP. Romney is an ESTJ - an ENTJ would have shown more interest in ideas (Bill Gates is an ENTJ). Clinton is probably an ESFJ. Bush Jr. might be an ESFP, although the reports that he reads tons of books have always been a little baffling. Hillary is probably an ISTJ. Reagan an ENFJ. Bush Sr. an ESTP.<<<br /><br />Obama=INFJ<br />Mittens=ISTJ<br />HR Clinton=INTJ<br />Reagan=ENFJ<br />Bill Gates=INTPBone Daddy Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875466587598200902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37852368272392118622012-12-15T12:45:27.066-08:002012-12-15T12:45:27.066-08:00Steve--you absolutely _scream_ NTP (either INTP or...Steve--you absolutely _scream_ NTP (either INTP or ENTP--have not read enough to be certain here) which makes your Oswald-Shot-JFK claim such a mystery. You're NOT that bad at seeing obvious patterns as to seriously claim such a thing.Bone Daddy Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875466587598200902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17256660069604917992012-12-15T12:28:47.870-08:002012-12-15T12:28:47.870-08:00Truth actually posted something constructive; I...Truth actually posted something constructive; I'm numb with shock.Marknoreply@blogger.com