tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post984199879338578028..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Larry David: Alice in BlunderlandUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82368551668197850582009-06-21T23:17:49.822-07:002009-06-21T23:17:49.822-07:00"I don't know what it is, but I absolutel..."I don't know what it is, but I absolutely HATE Richard Lewis. Something about him really rubs me the wrong way."<br /><br />Could it be his weird combination of smugness and stammering nervousness? Or maybe his unfunny, longwinded, disjointed, and utterly pointless monologues?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-567560129056871082009-06-21T19:25:04.685-07:002009-06-21T19:25:04.685-07:00I liked Seinfeld and never watched Curb Your Enthu...I liked Seinfeld and never watched Curb Your Enthusiasm. So I went out and got the DVD of the first season the other day on Steve's recommendation.<br /><br />Good show. One thing though. I don't know what it is, but I absolutely HATE Richard Lewis. Something about him really rubs me the wrong way.Richard Hostehttp://hbdbooks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8355243662595280302009-06-20T23:07:55.865-07:002009-06-20T23:07:55.865-07:00I don't believe John Cleese is Jewish.
He'...<i>I don't believe John Cleese is Jewish.</i><br /><br />He's of Norwegian ancestry. And yes, I know Kafka wrote in German, and I used the word Czech because I figured "Bohemian" would be misinterpreted. Point is, growing up in Prague, even as a German-speaker, would give one a very different perspective than growing up in, say, Munich would.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65496585067611169622009-06-20T17:39:26.797-07:002009-06-20T17:39:26.797-07:00Kafka was a Bohemian (not "Czech" until ...Kafka was a Bohemian (not "Czech" until the near the end of his life) Jew, but he wrote in German.<br /><br />Contrary to what a couple people above seem to assume, I don't believe John Cleese is Jewish.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7115943965477777092009-06-20T12:22:37.303-07:002009-06-20T12:22:37.303-07:00Anyone who aspired to anything better was derisive...<i>Anyone who aspired to anything better was derisively portrayed as a snobbish fraud and subjected to non-stop humiliation and even occasional physical bullying.</i>===<br /><br />But the two main characters, Frasier and his brother, were such creeps. They were unlikeable no matter their pretensions of class. The father character was simply more likeable, even if he was a "prole." I thought the business of that woman living with them was stupid and stretching things. Who came up with such a dopey plot? I watched episodes of this show only if I were awake at 3:00 in the morning and it was that or infomercials, so I think I got in on its tenth re-run season, never having heard of it during its first run.Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823851448364528821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14262271072069577052009-06-20T08:09:45.798-07:002009-06-20T08:09:45.798-07:00"Do you mean reactionary in the sense that my..."Do you mean reactionary in the sense that my definition of a literary canon should be more expansive?"<br /><br />Yes. You can start in the 13th century with the Stricker tales. There's Hebel, von Hippel, Jean Paul, Rabener, all the way up to Thoma and Falada, who I'm reading now.<br /><br />I'm rushed, so can't give more examples. Wasn't trying to be snarky earlier, but I find that statements about German literature and German humor are usually an Anglo-driven affair, and are accordingly biased. Even Nietzsche cracks wise, far more than any other philosopher I can think of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83595584415077210402009-06-20T00:04:40.250-07:002009-06-20T00:04:40.250-07:00I find some of Kafka darkly humorous but he's ...<i>I find some of Kafka darkly humorous but he's Jewish of course.</i><br /><br />He's also Czech.<br /><br /><i>The perfect American example of this is the sitcom "Frasier". It was so uncomfortable that I could hardly watch it, and eventually stopped doing so.</i><br /><br />What struck me about the sitcom "Frasier" and its parent sitcom "Cheers" was their relentless hostility to anything that wasn't slob prole. Anyone who aspired to anything better was derisively portrayed as a snobbish fraud and subjected to non-stop humiliation and even occasional physical bullying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89411529724473894362009-06-19T13:19:17.710-07:002009-06-19T13:19:17.710-07:00"Till Eulenspiegel" is pretty funny if y..."Till Eulenspiegel" is pretty funny if you like dumb fart and ass jokes. Most of German humor before, say, 1950 is just very crude. There are a bunch of funny jokes about Hitler and the Nazis that used to circulate at the time but Jews probably started most of them.<br /><br />I find some of Kafka darkly humorous but he's Jewish of course.Peter Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29033259140667183672009-06-19T07:37:42.402-07:002009-06-19T07:37:42.402-07:00Blackadder was wonderful. Along with "Yes, Mi...<i>Blackadder was wonderful. Along with "Yes, Minister," it too is my favorite Brit sitcom. With "Fawlty Towers" coming in third. Did gentile Brits create any of the great sitcoms? I wonder.</i><br /><br />Are Jeremy Lloyd and David Croft gentiles? Roy Clarke? John Sullivan?ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7666193556677630602009-06-19T02:37:00.715-07:002009-06-19T02:37:00.715-07:00"Of all the great literary canons of Europe, ...<i>"Of all the great literary canons of Europe, the German one must be the only one with no humorous works in it."<br /><br />That's a sentence that's both reactionary and uninformed</i>.<br /><br />Care to elaborate? Do you mean reactionary in the sense that my definition of a literary canon should be more expansive, or what?<br /><br />As to my being uninformed, that's a distinct possibility, but could you tell me some names of funny German classics? When one thinks of classic English literature, names such as Chaucer, Swift, and Sterne come to mind. In Russia, there's Gogol, in Spain Cervantes, in France Rabelais, Diderot, Voltaire, Laclos, etc. In Germany, there are Goethe, Schiller, Mann et co., who may have their lighter moments, but who are not a merry bunch overall.THnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83067751756791198832009-06-18T22:43:43.628-07:002009-06-18T22:43:43.628-07:00Steve asks
"What are Larry David's Seinf...Steve asks<br /><br />"What are Larry David's Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm actually about?"<br /><br />Jews.<br /><br />Jesus, that was too easy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88014645843309163322009-06-18T21:01:56.767-07:002009-06-18T21:01:56.767-07:00I love you kudzu bob!I love you kudzu bob!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45615585246465461532009-06-18T20:08:26.110-07:002009-06-18T20:08:26.110-07:00"North Korea plans "fireworks" for ..."North Korea plans "fireworks" for the Fourth of July -- shooting an ICBM at Hawaii."<br /><br />When I saw this, I wondered how Testing keeps up with all this - he must be a real foreign policy buff.<br /><br />Then I saw Drudge Report....Chief Seattlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74652003716505626702009-06-18T19:41:44.496-07:002009-06-18T19:41:44.496-07:00And as David pounded home in his notoriously uncom...<i>And as David pounded home in his notoriously uncomfortable script for Seinfeld’s final episode (in which Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer are sent to prison for treating a crime victim as a source of observational humor rather than as a fellow human in need), morality meant little to the characters. </i><br /><br />Very good. Notwithstanding the episode in which Jerry chides Kramer about getting along with the other humans, it is a show about solipsism.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30283210519440200102009-06-18T18:31:44.844-07:002009-06-18T18:31:44.844-07:00"Not only is humor very rare in Hebrew litera..."Not only is humor very rare in Hebrew literature before the 19th century (and is only found during few periods, in countries where the Jewish upper class was relatively free from the rabbinical yoke, such as Italy between the 14th and 17th centuries or Muslim Spain) but humour and jokes are strictly forbidden by the Jewish religion - except, significantly, jokes against other religions. Satire against rabbis and leaders of the community was never internalised by Judaism, not even to a small extent, as it was in Latin Christianity. There were no Jewish comedies, just as there were no comedies in Sparta, and for a similar reason."Israel Shahaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46769178027952230662009-06-18T18:21:38.679-07:002009-06-18T18:21:38.679-07:00"North Korea plans 'fireworks' for th..."North Korea plans 'fireworks' for the Fourth of July -- shooting an ICBM at Hawaii."<br /><br />Let's make a sitcom about you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63309811908721122212009-06-18T17:18:09.379-07:002009-06-18T17:18:09.379-07:00I just find his constant name dropping to be utter...<i>I just find his constant name dropping to be utterly insufferable. </i><br /><br />But this is the essence of the appeal of Taki. He's like a throwback to another era, when a different set of rules prevailed. There could not be anyone more removed from my lifestyle and background, but I feel that I've known his character through literature. I first encountered his column a decade or so ago in the weekly newspaper, The New York Press, and I loved it. He seemed like a mysterious character, and I wondered who in the world he was. His depictions of the high lifestyle he lived seemed totally authentic, and his politics appeared to be based in common sense.Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823851448364528821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87977691382214659782009-06-18T17:16:35.767-07:002009-06-18T17:16:35.767-07:00Blackadder is set in various historical periods, a...<i>Blackadder is set in various historical periods, and much of the humor is about making fun of class distinctions and etiquette.</i><br /><br />Blackadder was wonderful. Along with "Yes, Minister," it too is my favorite Brit sitcom. With "Fawlty Towers" coming in third. Did gentile Brits create any of the great sitcoms? I wonder.Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823851448364528821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75277208384650751562009-06-18T17:14:13.212-07:002009-06-18T17:14:13.212-07:00I was never sure if I ever "got" the poi...I was never sure if I ever "got" the point of the Seinfeld series, but I did find the characters intriguing. Wasn't the idea to mock these utterly spoiled, self-centered, worthless people, so totally into themselves and their superficial values? I thought that final episode was brilliant, in wrapping up the essence of each character and showing what empty vessels they were.Victoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06823851448364528821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85791257723185259582009-06-18T16:02:18.007-07:002009-06-18T16:02:18.007-07:00Well done, Steve. But I'm wondering if Cheryl ...Well done, Steve. But I'm wondering if Cheryl (Larry's wife) and, by extension, you, have it right when you think that David's rules are idiosyncratic. I think, rather, the appeal of David is that his rules, while not exactly ours, for sure, are either just a slight tweaking of ones we have or whose existence we've pondered. For instance, the 'cut off' for calls at night and his hilariously demonstrated rule about pretending to reach for the 'door open' button on the elevator as someone approaches get to us precisely because they are <i>not</i> idiosyncratic but are a natural conclusion of rules we either adhere to or wish we had the guts to.Deckinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33437346187115821682009-06-18T14:09:36.394-07:002009-06-18T14:09:36.394-07:00Laugh it up Kudzu. North Korea plans "firewor...Laugh it up Kudzu. North Korea plans "fireworks" for the Fourth of July -- shooting an ICBM at Hawaii.<br /><br />Which brings to mind the whole point of Larry David's work -- it's a closed universe. Nothing in Seinfeld, or Curb, has anything to do with anything outside the narcisstic world of David. It's all about him. Which is funny, but always the same joke. <br /><br />David's a great observer of the Yuppie social scene, including it's bubble mentality. When the gang goes to India in the backwards episode, it's all about THEM and not India.testing99noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68188585196187502992009-06-18T12:27:36.224-07:002009-06-18T12:27:36.224-07:00"In British and Anglo-American cultures that ..."In British and Anglo-American cultures that traditionally valued maintaining a stiff upper lip, however, it was natural to extract humor out of formal social situations that are collapsing into chaos while the mortified participants try to retain their genteel dignity."<br /><br />The perfect American example of this is the sitcom "Frasier". It was so uncomfortable that I could hardly watch it, and eventually stopped doing so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77950298483998385712009-06-18T08:30:55.101-07:002009-06-18T08:30:55.101-07:00Interesting column, Steve, but one correction: Dav...Interesting column, Steve, but one correction: David's alter ego on Seinfeld, George Costanza, did not live anywhere close to as well as David's eponymous character on Curb Your Enthusiasm does. Costanza was living with his parents during many Seinfeld episodes, while David lives in a humongous ocean-front house in Curb Your Enthusiasm. You do bring up an interesting point about the lack of servants in Curb Your Enthusiasm. <br /><br />The one area where the characters (not just David, but celebrities/frequent guest stars such as Ted Danson) show their wealth in Curb Your Enthusiasm is their large houses (and, less often charitable donations, which were written into a show or two). But none of them have household servants or drivers. E.g., David runs into the actress Lucy Lawless at his dry cleaner, as if Hollywood actors usually do their own errands. Maybe this is related to a comment David made once, that the downside of being obscenely rich is that you aren't allowed to complain anymore, and only by having his character exposed to some of the friction of daily life can he find anything to complain about. <br /><br />Anyhow, glad to see you sprung for cable (or bought the DVDs). What was your favorite episode so far?Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76898778972718201542009-06-18T07:10:32.945-07:002009-06-18T07:10:32.945-07:00Does this mean that the characterization of George...Does this mean that the characterization of George Costanza as "Humpty Dumpty with a melon head" has some hidden, social-commentary meaning I'm not aware of?Geoffrey Falkhttp://www.spiritonthebrain.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25620396711628320512009-06-18T05:38:56.454-07:002009-06-18T05:38:56.454-07:00"Of all the great literary canons of Europe, ..."Of all the great literary canons of Europe, the German one must be the only one with no humorous works in it."<br /><br />That's a sentence that's both reactionary and uninformed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com