One of the least predicted phenomena of recent decades was the emergence of a huge number of people with brilliant technical skills in South India. As far as I know, nobody saw it coming. It doesn't fit either standard cultural theories (e.g., the "center" flourishes at the expense of the "periphery" - until recently, you couldn't get much more peripheral than Bangalore) or evolutionary theories (e.g., cold winters may select for high IQ, but South India is awfully warm).
A young Bangladeshi-American population geneticist named Razib Khan has done one of the few studies in this area, confirming via survey that professors of mathematics in India are disproportionately Southerners. Razib wrote to me:
"South Indians (from my experience) seem to have somewhat of an inferiority complex visa vis the north, especially the Hindi cow-belt. This is partly because of the north's cultural domination. But it's also because southerners are small and darker. If fact, I would hazard to guess that many northern fathers would object to their daughters marrying a southerner purely on racial grounds-backed up of course by traditional caste prejudices.
"This being said-pretty much everyone also agrees the southerners are damn smart. Smarter than the average northerner. Doesn't seem to matter though-the northerners are still higher on the pecking order anyhow. Kind of like High School. Jocks, not nerds, rule.
"By the way, I happen to think there probably isn't much evolutionary advantage in the ability to figure out higher level topology in mathematics. I have to think genetic drift is important in this sort of thing."
Genetic drift (i.e., randomness) might well be the answer, but it's kind of the Theory of Last Resort for when we can't come up with anything else. Of course, I sure haven't come up with anything else other than "maybe it has something to do with caste," which isn't exactly a theory. Does anybody have any other suggestions? What role does caste play in this? (My impression is that caste is essentially Jim Crow-style segregation taken to surrealistic extremes. Does that make sense?) 3/03/02
Why are there so many extremely smart people from the South of India? I mean, there's certainly nothing lacking about the big, fairer-skinned folks from the North of India, but the small, dark-skinned Dravidian-speakers from the South are something.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 534 Newer› Newest»"Translation: These guys are earning such a high salary (heart burn)-why are they are not spending money like us-gaudy clothes, cheap suits may be. It is pure classism based on economic disparity. I feel sorry for this Gujju-Punjabi north indian."
Actually, many US companies exploit H1 visa holders, and they get paid less for the same work many permanent residents receive.
As for their appearances, they largely are unkept, and its easily seen. They don't project or adhere to a professional appearance. As for cheap, many restauranteurs will tell you so as well.
I feel sorry for southies who can't seem to be aware of the trashy image they project.
You should feel sorry, for southies, north indians have been well established in the US for decades before the H1 craze of the late 90's. And many of them are now scowering back to south india.
Nice try sir, but sadly no.
I was on H1 and I am an IT professional let me comment on this.
First and foremost your response does not make any sense.
The H1 visa business model is based on 'Exploitation'. To say that H1 visa holders are being exploited is to state the obvious.
--Once they arrive in America Indians flee the company that brought them in and join another company in very good terms.
--the average h1 salary on arrival is %50k (which is still above the Us median of 46k)
--after this 6 month-they switch to some other company as consultant on a 80:20 basis. That is they get 80 percent of the contractual amount.
--Their salary would then go to 90 to 100k.That is it would jump by 100%.
--To say h1 visa holders are cheap are statements done to fool the kind hearted American public.
--H1 visa companies are evil and they exploit people. They have no business ethics,morality and because of the reagonimic de-regulation craze that exists in America they use the lack of supervision to exploit the poor Indian worker (both north and south indian) but all this only for 6 months.
--Outsourcing is a different ball game altogether and it requires a separate response.
--Do not pass judgment about South Indians being unkept based on anecdotal experience.
---You north indians drool over Aishwarya Rai(a tulu-Tamil speaker), Sri Devi,Hemamalini,Meenashki Sheshadri, Rekha,Shilpa Shetty, Asin -South Indian actresses and you talk about us being unkept.
I do not agree to some of our friends who said that India will crumble but attitude like this will definitely lead to India's disintegration.
Actually excessive de-regulation gradually has almost turned America into a 'communist' like nation. Before moving to USA I spoke to a Doctor relative of mine who told me that I was making a mistake in moving to a country that had no 'labor laws' or 'freedom of speech'.
I was sort of angry with what he said, mistook that he was speaking out of envy that I was moving to the USA.
I spoke to my MBA professor who was also a personal friend of mine. He clarified that what the doctor meant by absence of labor laws is the changes the Reagan Administration made when it came to interpretation of labor statutes that totally favored the 'employer'. Earlier because of McCarthysm 'trade unionism' had been totally destroyed in America. The average US worker private sector was reduced to an automaton expected only to 'work' but not to be heard.
I remember reading a news item of a company in my neighborhood in Denver which fired 120 employees in one go. The day the employees were fired 7 police cars were parked to prevent any untoward incidents. How can the instrument of the state (which the police is) be used to enforce the private corporate decisions-that of firing.
This can happen only in Communist nations where the Public Sector rules the State.
Since Corporate America uses the Police to enforce decisions there is no difference between it and a Communist nation.
In India I can stand alone outside my office and scream my hearts will can I do it here. I will be arrested for 'public' disturbance. --The curfew like silence in this country can be 'disturbing' to an Indian. The human vibrancy, the energy that exists in India is missing in USA. People are reduced to the status of 'zombies' who raise up from the bed, go to work, and come back tired. It reminds one of the famous movie of the silent era 'The Metro' where you can see workers toiling hard and not one opens his mouth.
--Some mt even compare America to the 'land of the living dead'
--The Corporate Communists can do whatever they want and get away with it.
--They hire people using the 'networking' rather than merit
--They promote people who are not deserving again because of networking and not on merit.
--This 'networking' arbitrariness in the matter of recruitment and promotion is what has brought America to its present status.
--Take for example this Mr. Neel T. Kashkari he is an Engineer but appointed as Advisor to the Treasury Secretary(incidentally he is a North indian). What is is Economics background. He is not even old enough. There is no way in Gerontocratic India, an Engineer without an Economics background will be thrown up to such a high level.
--he may be good only in presenting mathematical models-
--incidentally the housing bubble-the mortgage mess has been blamed on the same mathematical models the Wall Street Greeds created,sustained and hoisted on the gullible public.
---I am not against Mathematical models but only saying the Mathematical Models are just that Mathematical Models it could be misused to promote selfish ends. It need not be 'right' though it may seem 'logical'
--The older generation corporate leaders 'died' in the 1980s. America should use 'merit' in its its corporate human resource management
-- 'networking' is destroying this great nation.
--
"--Do not pass judgment about
---You north indians drool over Aishwarya Rai(a tulu-Tamil speaker), Sri Devi,Hemamalini,Meenashki Sheshadri, Rekha,Shilpa Shetty, Asin -South Indian actresses and you talk about us being unkept."
Because all south indians look like the extremely select few you listed right?
Funny, ask yourself how many of those same women you just mentioned are married to North Indians...Or are now having affairs with North Indians.
For the record, I'm speaking of the general mass of southies (diaspora of the last 10 years due to IT jobs). Even professionals look and behave like villagers for the most part. They tarnish the Indian image, and make it seem trashy. If you're in the States, you can't deny this fact.
Maybe you just don't want to accept ths fact, and that's understandable also.
Again, my original point is that it is a very unintelligent comment to assume southies possess any kind of brain power over anyone else. Most of southern india lives below the poverty line and is largely illiterate today.
I'm not bashing them, but not praising them over anyone else either.
Baccha,
I listed those girls just to make the pt that South India is a racial melting pot like North and that this generalization of all southies as "N" is not correct
--I did not say those girls in question are a Bharatiya Nari. They are no paragons of virtue.
They are anything but them.
--No Southern male will marry an actress or model. However good looking they may be. they are not good for the family.
--to drink cold water you buy a cooler for the office and a fridge for the home. You do not buy a fridge for the office and cooler for the home.
--what should be in public should be in public.You will lose mental peace and happiness if you bring them into the family.
--That is why Southern Indians do not marry them.
-- Why you do want to debate and keep losing points. Accept defeat chotta bhai. It is easy for everyone.
America is basically a feudal society. One can see this in the Corporate World.
Employees in America's corporate world are divided into two groups
1) The Management- the foxes.
2) The hardworking -operational bulwork-employee population. We can call them lotus eaters- the rabbits.
--------Due apologies to the great political scientist Wilfrid Pareto,father of the 80:30 rule
Characteristics of the Foxes
The Foxes pay themselves massive salaries. Give themselves successive promotions and pay hikes.
They loot the bonuses.
They use networking to hire fellow foxes.
When a Rabbit becomes a Fox he immediately hires more rabbits so that he could cut off from the day to day activities of the orgn.,
That is the fox he/she wants to spend more time free of the encumbrances of daily headaches. He creates multiple layers of rabbits.
-------Attitude of the Foxes towards the Rabbits
They treat the rabbits with absolute and total contempt. As an Indian I was shocked to see that they do not even acknowledge the Rabbits in the corridor or even speak to them.
You have a 'job' be happy. Otherwise I will fire you kind of attitude governs their relationships towards the rabbits.
They expect the Rabbits to work hard, all the time , smiling with absolutely no complaints.
---Characteristics of the Rabbits
The Rabbits are chicken hearted.
The Rabbits are simple minded.
They work hard -thinking-oh! man I have a job.In this economy this attitude is more reinforced
Since trade unionism does not exist in America (Thanks to Senator McCarthy) they are work alone with no one to speak or support them in the event of a crisis.
They do not question the foxes. They consider them feudal masters.
They work more. learn more about technology or work skill and becuase of that they are pushed more into "Rabbitery"
(ie) they are burdened with more work.
The Rabbits are given certificates for best employee of the department (ie) strangely in an act of contempt huge bunny
rabbits are given to them.The Rabbits work more harder and go more deeper into rabbitery.
--How does a Rabbit become a Fox.
a) First he should master the art of speaking -he should develop the gift of the gab.
b) Second he should do executive MBA and become part of the Fox network(not the TV channel)
c) He should hop jobs / 2 years and be ready to move to any part of the USA.
d) Establish more visibility in the office-NO not hardwork-ONLY visibility.
If a rabbit does not do this he is forever be doomed to work for the foxes.
Hardwork, Dedication,commitment, knowledge, intelligence will never push a rabbit to fox status. In fact these qualities are considered the qualities SHOCKING it may seem as qualities expected in a rabbit.
Man! America is a Feudal nation.
My two cents. Actually you need to add one more category. The super foxes. They are the entrepreneurial geniuses, the Michael Dell, The Bill Gates and Ross Perots.
Let me give an example in the religious world
To be a man of God (pastor, priest and nun) one needs a Calling. But if one were to become a man of God for the sake of economic survival and as a profession then the person in question is a charlatan.
Similarly the foxes as against the Super Foxes are not in “Management’ because of their genius (which they are not) they are simply their because they knew someone who hired them or because they did their executive MBA in the so called Ivy League BS.
Please note I am not against executive MBA or IVY leagues but I am only saying that they are just hype because very few of the top American, India or Europe founder-CEOs did their MBA in these so called Ivy Leagues.
They are not there because of Calling. In the non secular world I would define Calling as the ability to come out with a new business idea and establish an organization that fructifies that idea.
These foxes unfortunately are loud mouth crammers and mug pots. They are they because they knew someone who pulled them in. Having gone in the Foxes live in the shadow of the Super Foxes. Their contribution is laughable to say the least.
Remember Dell went out and came back in when Dell ‘s sales went down. The Foxes are no match to the Super Foxes. Their MBA degree or GLIB talking will not produce Corporate results.
America’s Corporate world’s crisis can be blamed on these glib talking empty vessels who raise up to Top management positions because they pulled the ‘familiarity’ string and not because of merit.
6 of 10 CEO’s and 8 out of 10 CIO’s are good for nothing characters. Believe I have worked with two of them.
The Foxes are arithmatically and mathematically savvy, smooth talking trash bags.
If there was one thing the world respected about India was its strong moral leadership.Presently India has lost its leadership. India is directly and indirectly aiding and abetting the Sinhala Majority run Sri Lankan Government to commit Genocide.
The Present Manmohan Singh is a glorified clerk, it is Italian born Sonia who is calling the shots.
The lady in question is in a vindictive mode for what the rebels did to her husband-that of cruelly killing him.
However can one man's death-however wrong it may be- be used as an excuse to justify the death of a race.
The Obama-Hilary clinton administration should help Tamilians in Sri Lanka by asking it to stop bombing its own people using cluster bombs.
In the name of fighting the rebels the Sinhalas are wiping out a Southern Indian Racial group.
What is happening is a mini Racial War in Sri Lanka. The Sinhalas are from North India.
This Racial war has a religious component in that the Sinhalas are Buddhist and the Tamilians are Hindu-Christian.
India's Ruling elite the Nehrus-the Malayalis -North Indians are openly siding with the Sri Lanka Government.
History is repeating itself because more than 1000 years before King Raja Raja Cholan of South India hearing of similar persecution attacked Chera Nadu(the Malayalis are from Kerala which was called Chera Nadu ) and then he conquered Sri Lanka and put an end to Tamil persecution there.
--Noted Historian Romila Thapar said that Raja Raja Cholan besides conquering the Cheras also put an end to the Arab Settlement in Kerala-Chera Nadu-as they were becomig increasingly troublesome.
--- Because Tamil nadu is part of the Indian Union Today our hands are held tight and we are helpless.
--Brahmins and Malayalees-Nehrus (who are Kashmiri Brahmins) have joined forces with the Sinhalas to wipe out one of the WORLDS MOST INTELLIGENT AND ANCIENT RACE.
An appeal to this blogger:Since you seem to be a great admirer of South Indians please user your influence and stop this Genocide.
You should not allow this 'gene pool' to disappear.
North India is split between Hindu and Muslims.
South India is split between Brahmins and Non Brahmins.
Brahmins are a minority in South so they look up to North India for moral and psychological sustenance.
For example in India girl children are named after rivers.
Ganga, Yamuna,Saraswathi are leading rivers of NORTH India.
You will find girls named Ganga,Yamuna, Saraswathi in every street of North.
NON Brahmins south Indians will never name their girls Ganga, Yamuna or Saraswathi.
Whereas Brahmins of South India name their girls after these three north Indian rivers.
There is in South the River Cauvery the cradle of all Intelligence flowing thro three states.
When a girl says her name is CAUVERY you can safely assume she is a non –brahmin girl belonging to the Backward caste and that she is from South.
Such is the level of dislike the Brahmins show towards South India.
From the names you can identify whether the person is a brahmin or not.
As a South Indian that too a Tamil speaking South Indian let me expound on what I have see in international affairs.
Minority Hatred in International Foreign Policy
Of late minorities living in all parts of the world are in serious trouble. The world is increasingly moving towards Democracy. Democracy actually means majority rule. Majority Rule is not an ideal system.
It means the interest of the largest number is considered as the interest of the nation. Whatever is good for the majority is good for the nation. What nonsense is this?
Any minority attempt at self assertion is looked with suspicion by the majority.
Now this means Minority X in country A is an enemy of the Majority C in country B.
Confusing let us consider two hypthetical nations
Country A
Majority is Y
Minority is X
Country B
Majority is R
Minority is Q
The majority Y and R will hate minorites X and Q.
Russians will hate Tamils, Chinese will hate Tamils and English will consider them Irish because they remind them of their own minority.
Sri Lanka issue is tier III issue for the US government
Tier I issues are
Iran' nuclear policy
Israel-Palestine
China
Russia's ascendance
North Korea
AF-PAK
Tier II are
Rwanda
Cuba
Kashmir.
Tier III
Sri Lanka
Syria etc.,
Now which means the majority members of the Foreign Service Establishment in all these countries will have a field day without the supervision of their bosses to do what they like in countries like Sri Lanka.
The dislike for Obama will convert to dislike for Sri Lanka Tamils.
The dislike for Chechens will convert to dislike for Sri Lanka Tamils
The dislike for Tibetians will convert into dislike for Sri Lankan tamils.
and FINALLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
The dislike for South Indians will convert into dislike for Sri Lankan tamils
The dislike for Irish will convert to dislike for Sri Lanka Tamils in
US,Russia, China,UK and INDIA respectively.
That is why I have arrived at the paradigm that PRESENT DAY foreign policy of all nations is driven by Minority hatred.
WHAT IS SAUCE FOR THE GOOSE IS ALSO SAUCE FOR THE GANDER.
Tamils=Chenchens=Tibetians=IRISH
Tamil Nadu gave 40/40 seats in the 2004 parliamentary elections to Sonia Congress and helped her form the Federal Govt in India. This Italian Usurper is now using this mandate to take revenge on Tamils in Sri Lanka. Indian democracy is strange. Sonia has made a mockery of representative Democracy. Had she been unlucky she would have ended up as a crooner in an Italian Night Club. What is her intellect anyway? She went to London to study English. That too in a community college. There she met this 'baboon' Rajiv Gandhi who went to London with only one purpose to marry a 'caucasian' girl. As seen from these postings. Brahmins of india are secret CAUCASIANS. They suffer from inferiority complex for reasons best known only to them. Rajiv Gandhi was a Kashmiri Brahmin. He considered marrying a caucasian girl the 'height' of his achievement. Today India-Tamil Nadu-Sri Lanka is paying for the Romantic stupidity of that man.
Sonia is not qualified to rule India either directly or by Proxy.
I am positive the dmk-congres coalition will face a route in the 2009 parliamentary elections in India.
The spirit of Karma has been the guiding principle of India's foreign policy. Karma means doing only good for all actions good or bad will be come back to a person either in this birth or next. No one can escape from its cycle. Only enlightened souls who have destroyed all desires like Jesus or Buddha have reached the Karmic state.
Gandhi-Nehru who laid the foundations for Modern India were karmic leaders. They would never keep their mouth shut if they see injustice happening.
Sonia cannot be compared to Gandhi-Nehru. Her behavior is consistent with her her background. Can one expect anything better from an Italian Discard who entered 10000 year old India on a tourist visa.
The attitude of the present North Indian ruling elites who rule India that includes Southern India with which they have nothing in common can be traced to the their absence of common gene pool. By that I mean the following.
Unlike the more peaceful south where people where held 'statically' by caste North was subject to numerous invasions. Which means too much 'gene' mix.
The 'static' south split only on Brahmin-Non Brahmin grounds. In North the invaders being Muslims the clash was based on religious grounds.
To escape prosecution Brahmins from Varanasi-Benares actually migrated to South in droves-to the environs of Tanjore in TN during the chola period. They held together tightly in endogamous marriages resulting in great exclusion promoting the WE-THEM attitude. The Tamil expression AVA-NAMMA VA being evidence to such
exclusion.
In the North because of intermarriages (also because of R..p.) between the invaders and the local population the people inherited different hereditary characters unlike the 'frozen' endogamous south.
The same applied to the ruling elites of both north and south. In Japan after the Meiji restoration the women belonging to the Nobles of the Odo Period became Geishas which over period of time became a discredited institution.
The fall of the Mughals led to a similar situation in North India in the 16-17 century. The Women belonging to Mughal courts became Gazal Dancers and Quwali performers because they were reduced to poverty.
These Dancers and their projeny longed for the time when they ruled India. It is said that Pakistan was a brainchild of Fatima the sister of Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah. She hated "India" the Hindus who exploited the former rulers of India. Motilal Nehru the father of jawaharlal Nehru had a full time concubine whose daughter was a top film actress of "Mother India". Even a cursory glance of their facial features will also confirm their Nehruvian ancestory. The Congress party considers it a duty to give this family a MP seat during every election-Blood thicker than water.
Rajiv was the son of Feroze, who was a Parsi from Gujarat. But according to katherine famous book on Indira he was actually a B child of a top female official in UP.
Look at Rahuls 'bio' data. He is considered a parso-gujarati-kashmiri-Italian. His genetic pool is so confusing that he cannot say for sure whether he is a
a) Gujarati
b) parsi (which means iranian
c) Kashmiri (which means Turk)
d) Italian.
The same could be said of most ruling families of North India.
North Indian elites are unqualified genetically to rule India. England is rule by Anglo-Saxons, Germany by Teutons. But India is ruled by some 'mixture' who perhaps may trace their ancestory to
a) Attilla, the hun
b) Timurlane alias Gengiz Khan
c) Sulaiman the magnificant
or may be even the fictional
d) Conan,the barbarian
If someone were to ask a member of the North Indian Ruling elite about their background , be ready to be greeted by a blank smile.
As a South Indian I am ashamed that I am being ruled by people who DO NOT share single splice of DNA with me.
The "Nehrus" claim Royal Family Status in India. Were the Nehrus truly of blue blood.
Gangadhar Nehru the father of Motilal Nehru was a Police 'beat' constable in a Delhi Police Thana (Station). Even today the picture of Gangadhar Nehru hangs in a South Delhi Police Thana.
His job was to roam around Delhi area with a bamboo stick knocking the road at nignt to 'ward off' thieves.
It was during his tenure as Police Constable Gangadhar saw attorney's making a lot money by interpreting the newly passed British-India Land reforms laws. He told his son to study law and the rest is history.
The Nehrus were themselves not from Delhi but from Uttar Pradesh and they lived near a canal (hence the name Nehru which is a corruption of the Persian word Nahar for Canal).
They 'claimed they were Kashmiri Pandits who migrated to Delhi after the fall of the Mughals. The ancestors of the Kashmiri Nehrus migrated from Turkey and this fact was stated by less a person than Jawaharlal Nehru himself.
There is historical proof that that Gangadhar's original name was Ghiyasuddin Ghazi and he changed it to Ganga Dhar when the Mughals fell-to escape persecution by the British. Gangadhar was a sunni muslim.
In short India's ruling family began as a progeny of a sunni muslim Police constable of Turkish ancestory.
Indians should vote for Indians and not for Turks.
Indians are 'racist' Look at the obsession we see here to be identified as "caucasoid." Anyone South Indian or African who has visited Dehhi will tell you that it is the most racist capital in the world.
If you look at the matrimonial classifieds in Indian newspapers you will see an overarching demand for 'fair-wheatish' complexioned boys and girls.
Black is a color there is nothing one needs to be ashamed of about.
Many Indians have a 'secret wish' to l..y a white girl. Rajiv Gandhi the former PM of India proved himself an 'ordinary' Indian by marrying Sonia Gandhi-an Italian.
Sonia's father was so poor he did two jobs a butcher during the day time and a tailor during the night.
There is not even a trillionth chance of Rajiv Gandhi marrying an Indian girl whose dad was a Butcher-Tailor.
Rajiv Gandhi did not care all he cared was to full the average Indians dream of going to b..d with a white girl.
It should be noted that his grandpa Jawaharlal Nehru had many girl friends from the west the most notable being Lady Mountbatten -wife of Lord Mountbatten-the last viceroy of India.
Rajiv just wanted to do 'full time' what Nehru did surreptiously.
When Edwina Mountbatten died in Bornea her bedroom was strewn with letters written by India's first PM Jawaharlal Nehru.
It was Nehru's special relationship with Edwina that ensured India's survival in the Commonwealth.
The Nehrus are 'racist' to the core and the present day young Nehrus Rahul, Priyanka and Varun are equally rotten. Two months before Varun was in trouble when he said that he would cut off the head of all muslims.
Pakistan and Pakistanis need reasons like this to forment trouble and Varun Nehru is offering it in a platter.
China is surrounding India by a strategy called "string of "Pearls".
Under this Strategy China is building ports at
1) Gwador in Pakistan
2) Chittagong in Bangladesh
3) Sittwe in Burma.
4) Hambantota in Sri Lanka
Till Indira Gandhi was alive China dared not mess in India's neighborhood.
---Today thanks to this weak-Kneed Indian PM, Manmohan Singh China is slowly strangling India.
Indians should vote for someone decisive and powerful not a mumbling, bumbling,fumbling apology of a Prime Minister.
--The Sonia Family has no idea of what China is doing. Does she even care?
Friend,
This is old news. The Pentagon,in its 2005 U.S. China Commission report to Congress elaborated very clearly what
China is up to in south Asia with special reference to this "String of Pearls" strategy.
This information is in the public domain and not a big secret.
The war in Sri Lanka wherein massive military aid is pumped in is spart of this strategy.
The Americans are aware of China's long term goals.
Our Economic professor Manmohan Singh has no idea what is going on the neighborhood.
He is Doll in the hands of that 'muff' Sonia and both of them (Sonia and Manmohan) know as much about International Relations
or Geo-Politics as a monkey will know about Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.
This Turban Head will be Prime Minister till Rahul becomes confident enough.
Rahul himself like his father another "cipher".
Expect more foolishness from the present crop of North Indian decision makers.
The Indian electorate have no idea the strategic mistake they are making in electing uneducated members
of the Nehru.
The intelligence of the Nehrus stopped with Indira Gandhi. It is time the Indian electorate realized this and voted for the alternatives who will definitely NOT be as stupid as they are.
Thanks
Veerappan.
Chairman Mao once said that Tibet is the palm Arunachel, Assam, Bhutan,Sikkim and Nepal are the fingers.
The PLA -People's Liberation Army-is building border roads in a war footing along Nepal and Aksin chin areas.
The Chinese troops have already intruded 250 miles into the Sumdorong Chu valley in Arunachel pradesh right
on Indian territory.They have built a massive helipad complex similar to the one we see in James's Bond
movie villain sets.
Chinese spies have entered all the border areas as petty traders and have totally impregnated themselves
in these states of India including Nepal.
The Nepalese government from being pro-India is now speaking of Non-Alignment between India and China.
This when the Nepal-China border is manned by Indian troops and not by Nepalese troops.
The Pakistanis 'donated' certain areas of the Gilgit sector to China to build a military road in areas
that was hitherto in accessible to China.
Manmohan Singh the Prime Minister of India is a stratetegic threat not to China but to India itself.
Yes PM of India is a threat to India. Indians should soundly defeat his party lead by Italian Sonia Gandhi
India’s top weekly “India Today” reported how Prince Regent Rahul Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi, who was Prime Minister then would compete with each other as to who would lay their hands first on ‘Archie Comics’.
Rajiv Gandhi the Prime Minister of India was said to be an avid Archie Fan as was his 12 year old son Rahul Gandhi. He would always make it a point to read the comic first before his son could get his hand on it. Sometimes the son would pre-empt the dad in reading the comic and this created a ‘lovable’ tension between son and father.
Rahul Gandhi , a 12 year old reading Archie Comic was okay. But is it appropriate for Rajiv Gandhi who was the Prime Minister of India to read Archie Comics. These are the modern day Nehrus.
Rajiv Gandhi once claimed he would create history without reading it.
Yes. He did create history by reading Archie Comics at the age of 44 that too as Prime Minister.
I have nothing against Archie Comics,per se, the point is how was the stewardship of a nation given to a person who was interested in the child like escapades of American teenagers. Does not such interests speak of his lack of maturity.
This story would take the cake about Rajiv Gandhi. As a teenage student of Doon School Rajiv Gandhi asked his mom, Indira Gandhi, the next PM of India, to urgently bring some bottles,yes some empty bottles to Doon School.
Since Indira was Nehru's daughter she requisitioned an Indian Air Force plane and flew with two cartons of empty bottles not knowing what her so wanted to do.
On arrival Rajiv Gandhi took the bottles to an empty area of Doon school campus and keeping them in a distance he started throwing stones at them and broke the bottles one by one.
Mother Indira Gandhi was happy to note her son's experiments to disprove the Shroedinger wAve Equation.
Sir,
Both these incidents had been reported in almost most of Rajiv's biography.
So this is common knowledge.This is not the news. The news is the biography of Rajiv Gandhi himself.
Rajiv Gandhi agreed to a "Biopic"
to be filmed by one Simi Grewal.
Who was this Simi? She is the same Hindi actress who way back in 1970's created history by acting nude in movie Siddhartha-yes a Biopic on Prince Siddhartha aka Buddha.
People in India were surprised to note Rajiv's nod to allow a former actress who had acted nude to film his life.
Good blog. The point to be noted here is that Western mind will find it difficult to comprehend Brahminism. It is a strange phenomena wherein it exhibits all characteristics of 'statehood' without the existence of one. It is a mutant kind of statehood and citizenship that students of conventional political science will find it difficult to comprehend.
what are the characteristics of a state.
1) it has well defined geo borders.
2) There is a citizenship
3) There is an expectation of - loyalty to this geo-political unit- patriotism.
Brahminism do not a have geo-political unit but short of that they exhibit features of 2 and 3.
They are citizens of Brahmin state and they are loyal only to members of their 'state'. An exclusive attitude that takes a pathological form of 'social distance' characterizes their relationship with non-brahmins.
The dislike Palestinians and Jews have for one another pales into insignificance when compared to the dislike Brahmins have for NON Brahmins.
This is more pronounced in South India especially in Tamil Nadu. Anyone who has read the Brahmin owned THE HINDU newspaper will tell you that this newspaper is a archetype example of this virtual statehood.
The dislike the Serbs may have had for the Bosnians is a NOTHING when compared to the dislike the Brahmins have for Southern Indians.
The shocking fact is that of these Brahmins using their domicile status of as citizens in the real geo political unit to mislead 'outsiders.
When UN SG Ban Ki Moon visited India Hindu newspaper editor N.Ram,an orthodox brahmin, spoke to him about regional issues and asked him Loaded questions as if he was asking on Behalf of all South Indians.
There is no way 'poor' Mr.Ban would know he was dealing with Brahmins who are members of a virtual state and who have an agenda, attitude,motives different from the members of teh 'real' state whose people make up 97% of India/South India/ Tamil Nadu's population.
It is rumored that Shashi Tharoor will get External Affairs Ministry.
Sashi Tharoor is an orthodox Malayalee. He had a stint as UN Under Secretary General for communications. He competed against Ban Ki Moon and lost-even in the straw vote.
Anyone who has read his books will see this man's passionate love for Kerala and Malayalees.
All his books are filled with encomiums and praise about Kerala-God's Own country.
Sashi Tharoor should not be given the External Affairs Ministry. But since it is M.K.NARAYAN who is De facto PM of India it is certain Tharoor will get it. M.k.Narayanan is a Malayalee like Tharoor.
The spelling bee that ended yesterday 5/28/09 had the following finalist contestants from India.
1) Kavya Shivashankar- South Indian-Tamil from Karnataka-who went on to win the contest
2) Anamika Veerama-South Indian-Tamil
3) Aishwarya Pastapur-South Indian Andhra Pradesh
4) Ramya Auroprem-South Indian-Tamil
5) Tussa Heera-North Indian
6) Neetu Chandak-North India-
The North Indians Tussa and Chandak were thrown out in the first round. The South Indian girls went to the last round and ultimately Kavya prevailed thereby again proving Mr.Steve Sailor's point that South Indians are smart.
Look at all these idiotic comments about south vs north. A westerner again managed to divide Indians like the East India Company did a few centuries years ago. Who is really smart now?
-- From a fellow Indian.
i am a bengali girl and i hav extreamly fair complexion n here in kolkata
many chinese also lives
n bengali grls here looks very good
n chinese boys r cute well ia m glad dat no one hates west bengal i think der r smart people in all states well one thing in which south india is ahead truly n fully is sex ratio they atlest dont kill their daughters before birth lik punjabis e harayanvis n denm dont find ne bride n remain unmarried ..n i gotta say in dis sex ratio west bengal hav very high child sex ratio n over all sex ratio is constantly improving frm 1941 cencus so itsa good sign but east r west we bengali grls looks d best n r quiet smart
I can say that India's success is in unity which has got lost in being S.Indian, tambills(idk how to pronounce)in Rajjikaat, in being Bengali, in being punjabi and not just being an INDIAN
Whether we speak the north Indian language called Hinandi or if we are Pan Joobi, or Bagla, Gukrati we are all Inidans. I am a UP ka beta. I love all languages-all indians are one. I adore Tamil. Hinandi is nothing when compared to tamil.
This Steve Sailor is a KGB-Chinese-ISI man. He is held in great regard by all these 3 'great' agencies-for the wrong reasons.
Hi,
Pakistan and India (North India) coming together is not in the strategic interests of South India. The more the Pakistanis pressurize India( North India) the more they will call us Southerners Bhai (brothers) and stop acting superior in Hindi and racial terms.
The IT revolution has North Indians eat a humble pie earlier they considered themselves superior in business. The more North India-Pakistan fight with each other the better for South India. So Steve is actually doing a great favor. He is not a ISI agent but a Sweet Angel.
--
Veerabaghu Kontapentulu Narasimha Rao
The recent events in China tells us many things.
That the minorities of world living in all nations have only two choices
1) Assimilate
2) Perish.
Western nations want democracy to spread around the world but democracy actually means ruled by the majority.
In countries where there are no adequate safeguards to protect minorities democratisation would forever end up in the rule by the majority. In India North Indians are the majority and they will always rule India. Minorities cannot question this and if they do they are considered a destablising force. Look at pathetic state of Ugigurs and Tibetians in China. These two ethnic groups will face problems even if China becomes Democratic.
How can democracy be a panacea for the problems of minorities.
To minorities democracy would be good thing only if they are in a majority and this possible only if they carve a geo-political unit of their own. The slave like status of India's South Indians, Tibetians, Chechens and Ugigirs makes the so called Democratic Cure for the world's political ills look pathetic to say the least. Bush who propounded this doctrine incidentally was a product of a homogeneous society.
It should be noted that most of the western nations which tout democracy are ethno majority countries.
That is they have carved a geo-political unit in which they are the majority. That way they face no issue of being governed by a larger number belonging to another group.
Sir,
Any person who has traveled by train in India would tell you the shocking difference between the two NATIONS of South India and North India.
In South people buy tickets, the trains stop and leave on time, you cannot see anyone sitting on 'top of trains'. You will find the train personnel well behaved. Once you cross the South Indian border-which I would put at Maharashtra-there is law of the jungle.
No tickets, reserved seats becomes a mockery, dacoits with country guns would enter the train, the railway personnel behave like thei Afghan cousins-people sit on top of trains, the toilets stink and finally the trains are stopped and started 'as you like it'.
It is because of South India "India" has earned the image of a Technology Super power. Remove South India is a third rate power.
South Indians are as smart as Chinese or Japanese.
Are we not ashamed of divisions based on region, religion, color, sect and caste, tribe
And what not. Because people are not convinced of what they are writing, they keep themselves as anonymous. Is this Indian culture to call the other with four letter epithets?
Calling the other as thief etc.?Are we not one as Indians? Are we not aware of the rich
Culture and heritage spreading from north to south and east to west? Is there no feeling of oneness in multiple cultures? Can we not call ourselves Human first and Indians next?
It is time that we should stop this rubbish discussion.
We can move to topics on music and dance and other cultural activities which bind us as Indians. Let us move to positive thinking leaving behind negative feeling.
Hi,
You are right. The Government of India should create an organization or some institution that would promote greater co-operation and understanding between North and South Indians. The DMKs,Congress and BJP play the electoral(Lok Sabha) game they do not do anything to promote the spirit of common brotherhood between North and South Indians. In Delhi which is situated in deep north South Indians could be invited on a cultural exchange program so that either peoples could interact and see their commonalities. Similarly Punjabis and Gujarities should be invited South and they should interact with South Indians. This will go a long way to reduce the Hate that exists between the Aryan North and Brainy Dravidian South.
- Fu Manchu
Longue Dueree is a phenomena described by French historians.
Any nation has to address the grievances of its population directly head on.
A majority of the guys who do the posting here are ill read about what is going on in the minds of the upper echelons of India's administrative elite.
Their heart is filled with dislike for Southerners and it manifests itself in the kind of politico-administrative-diplomatic policies they adopt.
They think it is a secret. According to the great Gandhi secrecy is a nonsense. Nothing in teh world is a secret.
I am a student.If I drink, make merry and spend time on fun 'secretly' that reflects in my grades. My fun life is not a secret anymore.
All human beings are the result of a 'secret' action.
If I watch TV , just sleep and eat 'secretly" in the privacy of my home. I end up as a ordinary human being 'who too lived'. My secrecy of lazy life gets exposed in the ordinariness of the life I lead.
The present crop of India's ruling elite think they are doing things 'secretly'.
We can only feel sorry for them.
Friend,
Gandhi's theory of no secrecy was not something new.
It is just an extension of the India's Karmic Doctrine-that all our actions will be paid back-whether good or bad.
We do not have to worry about good actions but our bad actions will come to haunt us back.
Gandhi believed that all bad action
is planned in 'secret' though its execution may be in a) be private or b) in public.
That is why he stayed in ashrams that had no proper doors. he had by his side a British admirals' daughter because the British had nothing to fear from this man.
Unfortunately the present group that is ruling India are anything but Gandhian.
The government of India is planning on introducing UID-Universal identity India's answer to America's Social Security Number.
Heading the project is India's most famous Cyber coolie of international repute Infosys' Nandan Nilakeni.
The UID will raise the epitaph for India's trade union movement.
In India union leaders participate in agitations and get arrested.
With UID such arrests can be recorded which means the leaders cannot hop jobs.
American employees have background check. Because of this background check all employees 'behave' like slaves for fear that the next company will not hire them.
In short everyone works for 'one organization' in America thanks to the SSN.
The SSN effectively destroyed the trade union movement in America though it did help in the matters related to personal finance and keeping criminals at check.
I pity the poor Indian worker. In the USA while the American will draw a line and keep himself in check, in India with the UID the Indians ( who are poor managers when compared to Americans) are going to misuse it.
- The UID will put an end to all trade union activity in India.
-The workers will be exploited
--Blackmail and misuse will be more rampant-even in a technology superpower like America identity theft is common-because you can 'buy' information in India.
-Finding it as useless Indians will switch to the old 'trust' based system
--sorry UID will not work in India.
From a purely ethical point of view I consider it reprehensible to assign a number to a human being.
--With SSN/UID the individual becomes a prisoner in the jail of the Orwellian state.
As a South Indian I condemn both the SSN and UID.
How do you measure smartness and What's your sample space?
Sir,
Your statement that nobody saw it coming speaks of ignorance of the South Indian people. South Indians have always been smart.
--Our Dance form Sathirattam (Tamil for dancing to Music) was renamed Bharata Natyam and it is one of the most graceful forms of dancing
--the rockets that are referred to US' national anthem and used in the attack against Baltimore,MD was technology stolen by British from Tipu Sultan a South Indian ruler.South Indians according to Discovery channel were the first to use Rocket Technology.
--our music Carnatic music that uses a original Swara of Sa Ri Ga Ma Pa(aka Solfage) is any time better than the Western Do Re Me. The 12 note system that is used is best in the world of music. The recent crowing of A.R.Rahman for Oscar music a tamil speaking South Indian is a gradual recognition of South India's music talents.
Also you used the word periphery. To us South Indians California is the end of the earth, you will fall of into outer space-figuratively speaking that is how it looks to us.
--Have you not heard of the expression the center of the earth passes through our town
--South Indians have always been smart for 10000 years,the world did not know about it just like the world did not know that the there are two Indias : North India and South India and they share nothing in common be it culture, intelligence or race and that the Britishers brought these two nations together for their administrative convenience.
According to the great English Jurist Austin the most powerful person in a society by force,might and assertion takes over the position of sovereign. You are right the Anglo Saxons have for all practical purposes taken over the planet. 8 to 9 richest countries are Anglo Saxon. The anglo saxons decide who should not should not have a nuclear bomb. Nations are born, disintegrated, partitioned only if the anglo saxons approve it. Look at the Maps of the Radcliff line, Mcmohan line all drawn by Anglo Saxons.
Is it good for the world. in a way yes.
In a way not good. In this Anglo Saxonination of Earth all minority cultures become 'deviant' and fall on the way side leading to progressive assimilation and whoever opposes this assimilation is considered 'evil' -yes evil.
Call it a skewed political attitude
borne out of the ignorance of the man who calls others evil.
-Adding fuel to this immature attitude is the over reaction of the minorities and this only reinforces the fear.
-Abaya in sanksrit means fearlessnes world leaders should not fear anything or anyone. Because it is fear which is root cause of all problems. Fear serves as a fuel for creation of more problem, it will not douse the fire it will not make it a conflagration.
Mattukara Velan
I gone through half of the comments posted by many.... And what I feel is this blog/post is made by someone who is not an indian or an anti indian, to see how you people respond. It doesnt matter, where i belong to (north or south part of india) but what matters is am an indian. A happy and blessed indian. See, I dont want to respond to such a silly post, but I just want to comment on teh comments made by all others, who doesnt know who the other is, or what is he looking for out of this post? No one can live alone, without south north cant and vice versa. I hope no need of much explanation to this silly post... Thanks
You are wrong. This blog is actually used by people of (South) India to ventilate their grievances. For example take the postings about Hindu N.Ram,a very casteist editor of a very casteist newspaper. Don't you have anything to say about Him. Simply brushing issues under the carpet and saying everything is hunky Dory is fooling oneself. In the Soviet Era we used to get a magazine called Soviet Union. It was a glossy propaganda paper,which school children in India used to cover their school text books. This magazine used to present an image of milk and honey about the Soviet Union to the rest of the world till Gorbachev arrived. We should not lull ourselves into a belief that nothing has gone amiss or live in a false sense of complacency about the ethno-linguistic dissensions and tensions existing in the geographical term called "India".
Hahahahahah! FOOLS! All of you!
What surprises is me how is an american this much knowledgeable about India. I checked his blog photo he does look 'Irish' , European or whatever. Amazing. I salute him, though I do not like some of the postings, which I consider as immature. I liked the postings about Rajiv Gandhi, though immature, he was a good guy.
Here is my opinion about Hindu N.Ram.
Lee Stalk created a comic character called Phantom. This Phantom would live in the Jungles of Denkali and take care of 'white man's burden' that of saving the 'barbarians' He would beat 'evil men' hard and would leave like Zorro a skull mark. He would then call Civilization and identify himself as the Jungle Commander and inform the location of the bad guys.
Hindu editor N.Ram is the Jungle commander. He is the manipulative phantom editor who uses the media to promote casteism. He is an orthodox brahmin who believes India should always be ruled by Brahmins. He calls himself a leftist. He was first married to an Irish woman, he has now taken Keralite Syrian Christian women. He has 7 Alsation dogs at home.Feeding them should cost a fortune.
He is the perfect example of South India's Casteist Brahminism. He is as someone said a 'Aryan' brahmin. He looks so fair that Hitler would allowed to share a table with him. He dislikes dark skinned people. He is a stinking Karpuram Brahmin who still sustains the Naiveidya Brahamanal culture of Mylapore-Kanchi-Kumbakonam brahmins.
He is a pathetic journalist and his English is substandard. He brought down Rajiv Gandhis government by using teh Bofors crisis. He then brought down V.P.Singh's government. He is currently working towards India's disintegration through his stinking Brahminism
Ha ha ha, ohh man....
i never knew some INDIANS hate there country this much...
a foreigner's blog made me realise it...jeeeez...^_=
Ok...M a guy from the state of UP..but m a trueINDIAN to the core. U know there is nothing like South India, North India mentioned in our Constitution..its just some foolish losers who use dese words(i guess u all r smart enough to make it out whom i m referring too :P)..
As far as IAS exams are concerned..they are conducted throughout the country....in the same fashion...Cheating cases might have come into picture once or twice but most f the times the competition is v v v strict...
English and Hindi are official languages of India...and people f India are expected to know both or atleast 1 of them.Btw..people blabbering about different languages of the 4 states must not be knowing that mostly all the Indian states have there own languages...there own cultures...but still people know Hindi or English there...
infact Gujarati,Bengali,Assami etc. are completely different from Hindi but still people know Hindi..
ironically...people of just1 and only 1 particular state in India do not know nor they want to know and learn dis language(i dont think i need to mention the name of the state.. :P)
I dont know why normal public doesnt know this but in Delhi, the original Delhites are minorities now as people from all over INDIA have settled down there...
U name any state and u will get alot f people from that state in Delhi...case is the same for every cosmopolitan city...in INDIA..
and as long as people know any 1 of the official languages, they can easily survive any where in the country...(although u have to bear certain autowallas comments.. :-|, Recently, 1 of them called me bhaiya , gaiya, saiya and said something like Hindi this that..maryada illa...blah..whatever..but he was a bloody illiterate autowaalaa..soo, i didnt mind ;))
shall i blame the whole states people as racists..hahaha..i must be nuts if i do that.. :D
folks...i just read the title of this blog and den came down to see the comments...so, i m not exactly sure what this guy has written in the huge story.but i m happy to see this blog as it has mentioned a cerain group of INDIANS as smart :)
My suggestion to Steve Sailer is this... Check out people from all over INDIA..and i m certain, next time, u Blogs heading will be.. INDIANS are awesome, intelligent and too KooL ;)...
btw, here is the suggestion for free...HINDI is ur own countrys language..instead of humiliating it, try ignoring it , if u dont like it..:) coz people all over India dont hate r humiliate ny other INDIAN language... :D , infact we are proud of our varying cultural heritage :D
Some1 wrote in one f the comments that S INDIANS and N INDIANS can not be friends, wel, i guess u r living on planet Pluto or something..coz m certain that u arent living in INDIA..and if u r living in INDIA, den u must be blind.. Tell u wat, it doesnt matters what caste some1 belongs to, what colour he is, which language he speaks.. if u two share the same mentality, u will be friendzz :)
Eh mah GoD..i wrote a paragraph again... :P
In the end, i l ask u twerps to get a life, stop this hatred aginst ur brothers and sisters.. we are one country and we r happy to be INDIA rather than S and N INDIA ;) ... LonG LIVE INDIA, LonG LiVe INDIANS... JAI HIND JAI BHARAT :)
The last post by a Northern friend{?} could best be described as a pathetic obfuscation of reality, or shall one describe it as a rebuttal that is not based on sound reasoning or logic.
He calls himself a patriot from India's northern state of UP.
He has ended his post with a jingoistic post screaming long live Indians.
The ruling and dominant ethnic group in a nation will always see the country they rule or dominate in a positive light.
The Russians even today yearn for the "Soviet Union" because they called the shots. Ask the Ukranians, the Tajiks,the Georgian what they felt about the Soviet Union.
He has spoken of hatred. That is funny coming from a Hindi speaking UP wallah.
The Taliban destroyed a 2000 year old Buddha statue in Bamyan. Where did the Taliban get their inspiration.
In 1993 marauding hordes of Hindu fanatics destroyed a 500 old Mosque - the Babri Masjid-claiming that Lord Rama was born there in the very spot where the Mosque existed.
Pray! when did this mythological Rama live. In the Treta Yug. whic is approximately 500,000 years before (ie) before the Mesozoic Era.
Ha ha ha ha. The Taliban said that since the Mosque was destroyed they destroyed Buddha-who was an Indian.
See UP's contribution to the world. Hate.
Pakistan is today called Terror Central. Where was Pakistan born. In the campus of Aligarh Muslim University-AMU. where is this Aligarh in UP? Mohd Iqbal and others were UP poets. Like Nietzhe and Karl Gustav did to the Nazis. These UP wallahs by the hate attitude polarized the Muslims leading to the demand for Pakistan.
India was a third rate power till UP was calling the shots. It was a Narasimha Rao, a South Indian, who made India what it is . The state of UP is burden on India. it is only a shade better than Afghanistan.
I am a south Indian myself. I am not defending the post before last.
Please note as you yourself said about Russians being nostalgic about the Soviet Union it is natural for the majoritarian groups to love the nation they rule more than the minority groups.
North Indians who rule “India” will naturally more patriotic than South Indians because the key to the Indian Army is in their hands.
The Han Chinese will be more patriotic and love “china” more than Tibetians or Ujigirs.
Russians will love “Soviet Union” more than the Tajiks.
The English would love England more than the Irish.
Hindi speaking north Indians will love India more than South Indians.
The Solution for India’s North South problem lies in India disintegrating and then integrating-geography and economy will force the latter.
During the Disintegration face the ‘nations’ that constitute India could decide on the kind of relationship they should have vis-Ã -vis the Federal Govt.,
Then the nations can come together as equals and integrate.
This will put an end to all of “india’s Problems
Here is my solution to India's North - South problem.
Shift the capital of India to a place down South. Bangalore may be. Or alternatively a new city can be built in area bordering Kar,AP and TN. It can be called Gandhipur or Gandhibad or Annanagar or Kuvempukotta or Prakasamnagar.Once the capital is shifted south, Hindi speaking "Aryan" North Indians feeling alienated will demand a separate country. In short a solution can lead to another problem. Presently as a South Indian I feel like a foreigner in Delhi-is it Dilli-or Naya Deli-or whatever. I can't stand neither the name nor the place. Delhi is a status/power/money conscious city.
There is a psychological difference between North and South Indians besides racial difference.
When two or three south indians gather in a place and speak in their language(Telugu,Malayalam,Tamil or Kannad) they would immediately switch to English if a Hindi Speaking North Indian joins the conversation:P}
On the other hand if 3 or 4 North Indians are together they would continue to "BLABBER" in Hindi/Gujarati/Punjabi if a South Indian were to join the conversation.
Willingness to accomodate/adjust and cultured conduct runs in the South Indians blood:P}
I would consider South Indians as the world's most decent people. No wonder they learn all languages-from Cobol,Fortran,Oracle to Java and Dot net with consummate ease and produce 67% of the world's software:P}
Long Live South India. The Britishers did a great disservice by putting these two people together:P}
The British Govt should convene a special session of its Parliament and withdraw the Indian Independence Act of 1947:P}
Hi steve
after readig your post i have following suggestion
1) please dont allow anonymous posting.
2) those who have posted already as anonymous : Why are you scared to reveal your identity ?
3) The world is already divided with thick lines for continent, country, state, region ... please dont divide it any more
4) Please dont generalize ... every one has equal importance in this world.
Lets us unite together and make this a better world
Steve,
You should take a decent decision and close this blog.
Thanks
Rasan
What. I can't believe this. How can one group of people be considered as intelligent. South Indians are good linguists. They speak 5 or 6 languages fluently including European languages but to credit them with superior intelligence over other races is not science (be it speaking statistically or psychometricaly). I am from North India. This blog will creative misunderstanding between South Indians and North Indians.
If a Pakistani or Chinese man see this blog they are going to laugh through both their orbicularis oris muscles(lips) and their sphincter muscles. Guys stop this bickering.
I am from South. All Indians are great.
Attila, the Hun
In a High School by chance in one year when there are few brainy students who all end up in Ivy league the entire
school gets a good name. That attracts more brainy students and the trend of getting a seat
in the ivy league continues. Even BTA students are looked at with pride when they say they went
to that particular 'High' school.
similarly South India constitutes India's creme-de-la-creme in Intelligence.
India's Mathematicians-doctors-architects-Engineers are from South but our 'poor' cousins
from North take the sheen -I would say undeservedly-and go around claiming
they are the 'brainy' Indians forgetting that they share nothing in common
with the true brainy Indians be it race,language,culture or for that matter even religious beliefs.
North Indians however because of their assertive constitution have made their language the official
language and politically they rule India more often making South Indians feel as if
they are slaves.
Hey i am a south indian and lets just say that ASIANS in general are smart because if we, asians, have the oppurtunity to recieve education, we grasp it. Its jsut our culture and we are EXPECTED to be smart. Instead of finding our flaws on our bodies, we study.
North Indians are toughies. I can tell you that. They would just steam roll on you. South Indians are a meek people and frightened lot like a mice. A foreigner can enter South India and collar a South Indian and no one would raise a finger against the foreigner. It is doubtful if you can do this to anyone anywhere in the world. The 10000 old culture and civilization has made South Indians a soft people. If however if you were to go to North India say Punjab or Calcutta and tried this same collaring the consequences for the foreigner would be disastrous.
In Punjab your head will be cut off on the spot and in calcutta you will be beaten so badly that neither your wife nor your mother will recognize you.Period.
Hi Steve,
North Indians and South Indians are living in peace with each other. This is shockingly a great achievement considering how different they are.
By your blog you are actually playing on this difference.
This blog has become the toilet room for Southerners and Northerners to silently pass their fart.
The nasty side of humanity is laid bare here.
India's vulnerability lies revealed here.
Her soft underbelly, her achilles heel stands exposed.
only fools will talk without sense.To all bloggers, Go and do some good things rather than wasting your time here. in this world All are same, nobody is bigger and nobody is lesser
India will disintegrate in due time...
The resulting multi-state system and the explosive economic growth will have ramifications the world over ;)
It is my opinion that most of the postings is done by this Steve.
He has obviously spent a lot of time in India. He must have had a whale of a time in South India, where people are in general soft and hospitable. He must have either been beaten or his pocket picked in North India. Also Northerners are a little tough and abrasive but equally good like South Indians. A north Indian rubbed him on the wrong side. LOL. Anonymous is actually Mr. Steve Sailer. LOL
- Rajesh
One of the most useless discussion you'll ever see in your lifetime!!
Guys on this 140th anniversary of the Mahatma let us shed our hatred for one another and live in Peace. Pakistani and Chinese spies masquerading as South Indians are posting here.South Indians will never post like this. They are too intelligent to do this.
Steve you hit the bull. Your theory has been proved right.
A south Indian Dr. Ramakrishnan, 57, who was born in Chidambaram, Tamil Nadu, India, a senior scientist and group leader at the Structural Studies Division of the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge, England has been awarded the 2009 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
- Nadigavel
South Indians invented Chess, they gave the world Zero, Calculus, Trignometry. Western mathemmatics did not progress as they approached Math throu' geometry. Geometry meant you can have only +space. There cannot be -ve space in geometry. South Indian mathematicians approached Math without Geometry so they dabbled with + and -ve numbers. The West looked at -ve numbers as Evil. After the rennaissance once -ve numbers were accepted Math progressed in West. Much of world's progress in Math can be attributed to South Indians. North Indians contributed "zero" I meant nothing, because Zero was a south indian "invention"
Don't rest too much on your laurels.
Raj Rajaratnam CEO of Hedge Fund Galleon, world's 559th richest man,
a Tamil speaking South Indian has been arrested for insider trading
LOL. You southies are producing the world's top white color crooks too.LOL.
The asses who say Tamils have nothing in common with India should look at their names - Venkatakrishna Iyer
Gopala Ayyangar
Rajagopalan Ramamirtham
Sheshasayee
Muralidharan Ramasubburathinam
Shankaranarayanan
Rangabashyam
They want to believe they have names like Ivan, George, Peter blah blah blah. They hate India, Hindi and Sanskrit, but love English. But their names have words like Raj, Gopal, Murali and Shankar. Their women wear sari and put on bindi, and their men wear dhoti. Still they believe they have nothing common with India. I am ashamed such people are associated with Tamil culture. They should be kicked out of India and their ancestory deleted from Indian records!
Sir,
Anyone who has a basic idea of South Indian name sociology will tell you the the following names are
Venkatakrishna Iyer
Gopala Ayyangar
Rajagopalan Ramamirtham
Sheshasayee
Muralidharan Ramasubburathinam
Shankaranarayanan
Rangabashyam
are pure Brahmin South Indian names.
South Indian brahmins are anti South India and they openly proclaim allegiance to Sanskritic "Arya Varta"(Indo Gangetic Plain-which corresponds to politico-geographical north india).
Which means Brahmins would not oppose the kind of malevolent form of syncreticism being promoted in the name of nationalism and patriotism which is nothing but euphemism for majoritarianism.
That makes one to suspect the genuiness of the the post and listed signees.
As South Indian name sociology will tell you no self respecting Non Brahmin South Indian will have a name with a "Rama" embedded anywhere in it. Because Rama is a symbol of conquest of the South (Asuras-Devils) by the North (Devas-Gods).
So our friend from North is barking on the wrong tree about seeing Rama in the name and therefore claiming their commonality with "Indians"- such a commonality is mythical, it simply does not exist.
On 21st December 2012 as per the Mayan's the world as we see it will end.So why do we have to fight with one another. Let North Indians and South Indians be united.
By our unity we can become the envy of the world.
This Steve is a rascal.
ROFL... ha ha.. can't stop laughing at the comments posted by people. I really wonder when we'll be able to sort out our differences and will realize the fact that there is absolutely no limit to which we can divide and form various communities.
We all need to grow and grow in harmony. Hardly matters what caste you belong to, what's the color of your skin or what language you speak.
Grow up people :)
here's hoping we have a truly secular India one day
South Indian are smart Because they have better education system than north indians. There are more population of educated people compare than north india. Out of 100 people, in South there are 75 % (approx) educated, in North India there are 50 %(approx). This is the main reason South Indian Look smarter But they not in really. Another reason they don't know Hindi
They Know Better English than North People.
Postings like this will greatly jeopardize the lives of South Indians, if it has not already. In Sri Lanka in the name of fighting terrorists more than 40000 people of South Indian origin was killed. The US Congress has indicted the Defence Secretary and the army chief for war crimes. The war was actually conducted by Alok Prasad,a north indian, indian government representative to Sri Lanka. You cannot have a better example than this of the hate North indians have for South Indians. They are actually killing people and guys here from North are posting without knowing what their fellow men are doing.
It was very unfortunate to see barack obama celebrating Diwali in white house. Diwali is the story of Rama's triumphant return after conquering South Indian Ravana.
--No self respecting South Indian will celebrate Diwali, it is a North indian festival.
South Idians are smart because they are focussed,hard working and intelligent than their counter parts i.e, North Indians. I have worked about 16 years in New Delhi. North Indians hardly put efforts for their bread. They never bother about work progress in their office, work places. They almost indulging in parties, entertainment, marriage events, dressing etc.. They give first priority on their dress code, try to impress others in by means of extravanza acts like maintaining car. A north indian guy who joins the job, intitial stage itself he dreams about car, good home. He least bothers on quality of work, progress of work. However south indians are less obsessed.
i absolutely agree with you..i have a tamil boyfriend and he is a genius! haha!..well he's dark bt smart..those northern indians r fair big bt nt as smart as dravidians though they discriminate dravidians the only reason being they are dark..are dark people discriminated everywhere in this world? what if Jesus Himself was dark? would He discriminated?
I don't understand what is the purpose of this south vs north war all the time, a person will fart if she has to regardless being south/north indian or any human being, this is a personal choice. (answer to the very first post)
also being south indians called cultured/ sophisticated and brilliant is not so true. i don't want to comment here on anything but as wel all know south indians are well known for their eating styles.
moreover WHAT is the need to proove who is more superior.
as being part of INDIA, the hindustan we should first respect out national language which is hindi (i know its not INDIA's Official language). Then we can learn and respect and spread our regional languages tamil hindi punjabi etc.
People who don't have a bone to respect their nation are morons and nurds.
I suggest South Indians stop their frustrations and venting on the internet and go out and do something, like the Punjabis. Maybe then they too will feel better about themselves.
As it stands now, Punjab has won best state award for 6 years in a row, awarded by India Today and Outlook, based on infrastructure/law and order/health/poverty/sanitation and water/education/consumer markets. It also holds the lowest poverty rate in India and highest per-capita income in the country, after Maharashtra. Its literacy rate is the same as that of Tamil Nadu, 70%, higher than national average.
Being a computer or IT engineer does not even require an average IQ. Any idiot can become one. So South Indians, please come out of your frustrations on the Internet. Use your "intelligence" to eradicate the horrendous poverty levels (as much as 25-30% in Tamil Nadu) in your Southern states.
And if you are talking about hard work, let me tell you there is no one in India as hard working as the Punjabis...
Steve's Point is proved just by one sentence from our North Indian friend
"Being a computer or IT engineer does not even require an average IQ. Any idiot can become one. "
If you confuse IT with typing WELL then you are right. That shows your lack of both IQ/knowledge.
Dear Punjabi friend Information Technology is not typing.
South India produces 67% of the World's software. Why only South Indians do it. Do you mean to say the nations of the other world cannot type faster.
Typing is a motor skill-which can come my practice.
By trying to score a point against us South Indians you are only ending up reinforcing the opinion this Mister Steve has.
Information Technology needs brains and also Managerial skills. Nigerians are pretty good in programming look where they are because of lack of Managerial leadership. All scam emails come from there.
You Punjabis are ruling India so you are talking of patriotism. For once hand over India to South Indians. You have ruled India for 70 years
Sir,
While the 4 southern states are not given a Metro Railway worth the name news comes that the Delhi Metro has been extended to UP.
And all "Indians" should be proud it seems.Why should we be. Our Income Tax money goes to build Railway lines in a Northern City like Delhi.
I am an Indian and am I not proud of the Delhi Metro.
It is so far away.
-Tx
Boys and Girls,
South Indians are intelligent.
North Indians are assertive.
Intelligence loses before assertion.
According to George Bernard Shaw all progress is due to world filled with unreasonable men.
The Wright Brothers tell us how their good old neighbor of theirs told them to see 'reason' and stick to selling bicycles.
Our friends from North are unreasonable, assertive and aggressive naturally they Rule India.
Being intelligent alone will not help South Indians should act and behave boldly.
Regards
Chandrakanth
Guys... Its sad and frustrating to see some ignorant people from both parts of India throwing a lot of shit on each other and consequently showing their narrowness of mind or rather their ignorance and stupidity on a question that has no meaning. The smartness has no relation to regionalism. It follows a simple rule that is "he who works harder will be smarter irrespective of where he is from." . and you guys here have been slinging mud on each other and generalising your personal views about the other community(so called north and south India). all you guys look like bunch on kids shouting at each other. you guys forget that apart from these trivial issues of nothe and south divide , smartness etc, India has much graver things to look at. We are still a nation where people go hungry to bed in nights. We are the nation where small children go to work while they should have been attending schools. We still are multiplying like anything and consequently increasing th pressure on already stressed and streched resources. and all these problems are there in both north and south India. I am a north Indian and have been living In south India. Have seen a lot around both places.
Stop being racists and try to be more humane and try to create a whole society where such petty issues are replaced by mutual understanding and harmony. This was the idea for which the people who lost their lives to the imperialist while fighting for freedom on mother land. those great people didn't say we are punjabie or tamils when they faced the british bullets.
You guys are a disgrace to those people who lost their lives to the Idea of a free India. They never imagined that their generations will be cutting each others throats for no reason in general.
I fully second the views expressed by the last post.
Every month 15-20 fifteen fishermen from Rameswaram are killed in the murderous war that is going on between the Sri Lanka Govt and the Tamil extremists.
The Govt of India is going to put an end to it after seeing your post.ha ha- LOL LOL LOL.
Dear Northerners go advice the Indian Central Govt to change its attitude towards South Indians before you advise us.
--You guys come to South India, enter IT -an industry nurtured and developed by Southern Indians- and advise us what language to speak or not-
--Mahatma Gandhi said "Be the Change you want to see in others"
-- go and fight with Pakistanis and leave us alone
pardon me for digressing here but with this sort of attitudes, guys, I am pretty sure Britian can rule us for another 100 years using their "Divide and Rule" Policy.
Wake up guys! we are an independant country.
Did someone call a conference of the dumbasses of India here; cos you guys are starting to sound mighty stupid flinging mud at each other.
As a person from Telengana I fully support the division of Andhra Pradesh. I fully welcome the announcement of the Indian Federal Government to form a separate state of Telengana. This state is going to be part of the Indian Union and I consider opposition to the formation of the state as RIDIDULOUS. Long Live Telengana.
"India" is like "Africa" like "Asia" it is a SUB-CONTINENT. How on earth a "continent" like nation can be united as one country is something that defeats me. I am a South Indian I do not accept the harsh words spoken here against North Indians because North Indians are just that North Indians like North Africans you do not dislike someone just because they live in a certain geographical region. Regarding India's survival I doubt it. India's ethnic fissures are so deep that an Yugoslavian like quake can occur any time. The Great Gandhi will be turning in his grave if he comes to know about the ethnic dissensions existing in India. There is not a single leader in India with a 'pan' India reach after the death of the great Indira Gandhi.Personally I am for a United India but... where is the leader I can look up to
This could be one of many possible explanations:
South Indians are supposedly smarter because of years of peace and prosperity. The northern India has been constantly invaded by foreign rulers including the afghans, Mongols, etc. This made life tougher and moreover, most people who were killed in these wars were the ones with the higher fighting skills.
Whereas in the south, the environment was mostly peaceful with a lot of trade opportunities giving way to the natural selection of the intelligent individuals.
Although, I am sure the difference in IQ levels of the north and the south indian people (if any) is not too high.
@Steve Sailer: It would be really informative if you provided us with the actual statistics that Razib Khan observed and perhaps provide us with a link to the published journal.
Thank you.
Hi everyone
I am a 27 year old Keralite woman.Please dont behave like we behaved when the British arrived.Think this way, WHY HAVE THESE WESTERNERS or NON-INDIANS suddenly come up with this study of thiers that SOUTH INDIANS ARE SMART.Yeah south indians do well academically and successful.But the NORTH INDIANS have succeeded in BUSINESS and I feel they have GOOD COMMON SENSE.
THEY ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO DIVIDE US AND PROBABLY WANT SOUTH INDIANS to fight like the Kashmiris and Assamese for liberation WHO KNOWS??
IF ONE OF US IS SMARTER IT IS GOOD FOR US AND IT HAS NOTHING DO WITH YOU NON-INDIANS.....GET A LIFE!!!
The reason why South Indians are academically smarter because we have never been invaded and were not influenced by the outsiders until the British came in. Hence we were busy with music and literature.
At the same time NORTH INDIANS were victims of invasion and wars that they are more OPPURTUNISTIC and COMPETITIVE when compared to us.
Please dont victim for such ANTI- INDIAN campaigns by others.
REMEMBER we have just started and has a long way to go and a lot of problems to solve in our society.
PEACE...JAI HIND
Dear friends
I am from Kerala living abroad.Its really sad to see you guys fighting like this over a study conduted by a FORIEGNER.Its PATHETIC and at the end of it you have shown that WE ARE STILL GOOD AT WHAT WE ONCE WERE- fighting like FOOLS in the hands of some study conducted by a WHITE.
Our country needs effort from every INDIVIDUAL.
South indians are good at academics because we have never victims of conquests and wars and were always into music and literature. While the Northeners are competitive cos they were often invaded
North Indians are INTELLIGENT as well and hence good in BUSINESS,OPPURTUNISTIC and are HARD WORKING. SOUTH INDIANS are ACADEMICALLY BRILLIANT and we have succeded in abolishing the henious effects of CASTE SYSTEM and such PREJUDICES AND ARE PEACEFUL.
Eventhough I am a South Indian I DONT AGREE that North Indians are UNCULTURED.
And friends and folks DONT FIGHT THESE WHITES ARE TRYING TO DIVIDE US N NOTHING ELSE.
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE SUDDENLY STARTED ACKNOWLEDGING US?
Ask them to go to hell.....
i am a malayalii a south indian& dont dare to divide my country (my india) any further u dirty whites.
we have already removed u frm our country now stop interfearing .& my north & south indian brothers do we really want to divide our mother again this is not happening we should not allow this all of us r brothers & sisters of same mother we have lived together for not 100 but for morethan thousands of years we r one & we will be one until theres a planet called earth. if we were really smart we would never had such a unhealthy debate.& never dare to say anything about our national anethem.
jai hindi
&
vande mataram!!!
South Indians are smart because we all are Smart Indians, there is no Much differences with north Indians and south Indians, but still we have a special one to differ among us...
North Indians doesn't like south Indians, but south Indians like all Indians and all nation. we all are just humans with blood and flesh, why do we wanna fight among us.
But i have to agree that they are two types of people on this earth one is smart people other is very smart people.
regards
Me
Indian
there are only two types people on this earth one is smart people other is very smart people.... its My India i like all my indians..
all like everybody in this earth, we should not fight for the same blood and for flesh,,
regards
Me
Indian
hey,listen............plssss for the sake of our country dont make divisions like south indians or north indians.....we r all INDIANS hailing from the great country of INDIA.......first of all try to understand that.........and stop writing all this rubbish stuff.
Someone triggered a debate about Indians on 23-Mar-2002. It is a shame that they are racially abusing each other for the past 2 years in this blog on the same topic. This demonstrates how much divided they are. Rest of the world is sitting back and enjoying the dog fight.
No wonder the Mughals and British ruled them for such a long time.
My Fellow Indians,
I do not know who put this question first.
But, remember one thing that you all are Indians and you should not fight like this again, proving all Indians fools as British used to say us in past.
Just remember why these small countries like UK, Spain, Portugal and France could get hold on India?
Beacuse, it was never a united entity in the past. We should always remember that past and learn out of it finally to remain powerful.
That should not be any difference like south Indian or north Indian or any other based on race, language and so on. We got to forget these differences.
It is not necessary to answer the question who is smart and who is not, because the smart will become happy, which will show its smartness.
But, if the smart fight with fool, it will be foolish for both of them, especially for the smart.
As far as language is concerned, I am a Marathi and still I am proud to learn Hindi. Not because I am in Maharashtra, but because I am proud of my nation and I would respect its national language.
And I do not mind if somebody from south India or east India cannot speak Hindi and talks with me in English.
JUST REMEMBER; THE BEST LANGUAGE IS THE LANGUAGE; WHICH JOINS TWO PEOPLE AND NOT DEPARTS.
SO, TRY TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER IN A LANGAUGE WHICH IS COMMON.
Regards,
Keshav Gokhale
All those who boast about South Indians being recipients of great laurels need to move on. That's history and barring Vishwanathan Anand and AR Rahman I don't see any one doing great deeds. The point I am making here is that whatever South Indians are(were) was by great virtue of hard-work and determination- and not by any modern short-cut methods like H1B and stuff. Don't boast about being the creators of 67% of world's Software for masons are never credited for architectural marvels -which you are/were. There are better things to do in life than to waste a couple of hours reading the bullshit which's been blabbered above. You guys aren't smart. The quality of your comments and the hatred you have nurtured is all evident above. Can't say it was an intellectual delight reading the filth above. Get some life folks. Go CREATE a software for a change. I am alive for the next 45 years to see how many patents you guys file. Would be great if you match the count with the number of Nobels they won :)
-A fellow Indian. (And this is no bloody obfuscation of reality as one friend has pointed out in response to one sane post.)
South Indians have some positive and negative qualities
--> + qualities
analytical-mathematical-law abiding-peace loving-civileze
---> negative qualities
casteist-insular-unsocial-individualistic
North Indians too have positive and negative qualities
--> + qualities are
broad minded-united-helpful-bold-enterprising-foresight
--> -ve qualities are
linguistic insularity-superiority complex-abrasive.
So both North and Southies have positive and negative qualities.
Let us combine our positive qualities and let us IGNORE our negative qualities.
--This Steve is the Chief of Intelligence of China (Asia Pacific Region)>
Oh come on....... what is this?????
Are we forgetting that both north and south indians bought freedom to our nation paying their lives as the price?Friends,its not about the south or the north..its all about our precious nation 'INDIA'.
Pls don be racists...
Pls do remember that we are brothers and sisters...
JAIHIND
Sir,
One of the reasons why some top scientists of India-nuclear physicists- opposed the Indo-US nuclear deal is because they did not want India to expose the research done at MAPP(Madras Atomic Power Project-at Kalpakkam). India has a FBTR -fast breedor test reactor their. The research done at this FBTR center is original and the progress made their has no parallels elsewhere around in the world of nuclear physics. That is why renowned scientists like B.K.Ayyangar voiced their opposition.
-- When it comes to Space Research China might be superior in volume of space related work but in terms of sophistication India is much more superior and is next only to USA. Europe's ARIANE, Russia' Soyuz are less sophisticated launch vehicles -shocking it may seem-but it is the truth. India's launch ratio is far superior to any nation.
--All this is due to pioneering work done by scientists from the Southern states of Kerala,Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.
--One person here said sane post and cited two names. World Chess Champion V.Anand and A.R.Rahman.
--one is s sportsman-(though with brains) and another is an entertainer. The fact that he cites entertainers to prove his point shows his knowledge or lack of it of South India. North Indians have no idea about their own nation.
I am a retired scientist and I know what I am talking about.
@ jeyanthi, read my post carefully am not fighting cos i don't like fighting with myself.
i was making very strong that there is nothing called northern India . southern India, its India and it is one nation, and it will be one of peace nation among peaceful earth.
i can tell you Mr.Steve Sailer's isteve blog. made a wonderful topic to comment, but there is a big blender mistake happened.
look at the topic very carefully again///
Why are Indians so smart? it has to be like this..
Not Like
"Why are South Indians so smart?" coz here in INDIA
We Dont have any place caled south india or north india.
@jegaveerapandian.
India is made up of two countries.
North India and South India.
Racially,culturally and linguistically and finally and most importantly in terms of intelligence there are two nations living under the political banner called "India"
-Scholars, linguists, Sociologists and political scientists and even TOURISTS to India will tell you about this.
--The gulf between these two nations is so wide it is a marvel that it is a holding on together as one one nation.
There's a lot of problems in south india as well.... The tamilians' sheer snobbiness and high headedness, keralites' disregard for development and neglect of their state, andhra's politics and karnataka's problem giving regions of coorg, tulunadu and belgaum.
Saying all this, I feel proud that as a Bangalorean and Kannadiga, I have always been able to dream and found that I have enough resources to fulfill my dreams...
There is a shocking sociological irony in India's unity. That is India's unity is because of its disunity. India will survive because the ethno-linguistic groups that constitute are so divergent they will all pull together.
Recently the UK High Commissioner to India praised India for its 'calm and restraint' after the Mumbai attacks praising its maturity.
--The point here is the attacks happened in Mumbai/Marathi land.
--The Gujaratis/Bengalis/Tamils/Oriyas are least bothered about what happened there.
--The present ruling elite of India are from Kashmir/Italy/Punjab/Kerala in that order.
--"India" will react only if any of these constituents are affected notably Punjab because I do not have a good opinion of the 'reactive' capabilities of the Keralites.
--The more India is disunited the more it becomes united.
Here is my equation
U is inversely proportional to disunity, the constant of proportioanality being the Nehru/Congress party
U =[N] 1/DU.
Where N= Nehru and DU=disunity
--As a South Indian from Tamil nadu I support the creation of Telegana in Andhra Pradesh because it increases the DU factor which means India becomes more united.
-- It is my opinion that there is no alternative for the constituents of India to do anything but remain united because their 'peace' and 'survival' depends on 'size'
--The Chinese and Islamic vultures are waiting to fish in the troubled waters that are smaller nations.
-- I support India's unity, integrity and survival as one
nation.
--Regarding this blog
Both North Indians and South Indians are smart. North Indians are cunning+intelligent whereas South Indians are only intelligent- a kind of trait one can see in Westerners. There is a shocking similarity in the mental wavelength of Europeans(I include the Americas) and Southern Indians. Do not know how this came to be. Genealogists should do a DNA study. Do not know if South Indians are Caucasians who became black because of the Tropical weather.
Four years before I went to Cancun, Mexico for an official visit. We went on a tour to a Mayan village. I found people there eating food that was 'hot' as it is in South India. In South India people 'lace' their mango slices with chillies, ditto in Mexico. In South India I have seen people applying chilli powder even on Oranges. Ditto among the Mayans. The Mayans were great mathematicians, builders and established great urban culture. Ditto for south Indians. The temple architecture of both Mayan and South Indians are similar-pyramidal. The main point here is does "chillis" have anything to do with Mathematics.Does hot red chillies open up the neuron pathways in the brains that makes one mathematically savvy. India's best astronomers, Scientists,mathematicians are South Indians.
Too much however should not be read in the similarity because South Indians have a great slant towards vegetarianism and unlike the pre-columbian Mayas South Indians have always considered taking of human life as a deadly act(SIN). Refer to any Tamil works dating back to 2300 BCE you will get my point
I am dumbfounded when I read about the intense dislike North Indians have for South Indians. My suggestion to Northern Friends is try to live in peace with everyone. I was told now that you are now fermenting trouble in Australia. Man, Aussies are a nice people. We South Indians love Aussies. They treat us with great respect. Stop fighting with everyone.
Kunjunni Bhagavathar.
I presume you must be a Christian. Please be a source of peace and unity and not promote enmity. North and South Indians are living in peace with each other do not create artificial divisions. Set up a blog on something more useful subjects. I am a South Indian too.
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I am a north indian girl married to a south indian guy, will wait and watch what my children to be have to say about this.
there is no south india and no north india Its all just India
Are you all from India?? By the comments you appear to be from Pakistan.
Grow up men, Get on with the life. There is only one life, and it is no time to bash up between ourselves.
There is only one India, and all indians as we been repetedly pledging over the years, should be treated at par with your kith and kin.
///Anonymous said Hi,
That South Indians are smart is an accepted fact but unfortunately because of sheer numbers political power is in the hands of north indians.///
You are right bro. India is still poor just because political power is still at north indian's hand.
North indian's main focus is on religion. If they study some useful science books instead of studying BHAGAVATH GEETHA, KURAN and BIBLE then they will be educated.
This is hilarious and shameful both at the same time.Someone writes a blog questioning "Why are South Indians so smart?" and then we Indians start debating amongst ourselves and insulting each other and dividing into two great camps, if people want to go ahead and publicize your knowledge about genetics/history /geography and all that crap , please remember, that you belong to one nation .
South indians who come up in life are mostly the middle class people who are in touch with the higher and lower class equally well.So they have more options to chooce in mind and so the intelligence and smartness comes up well.The northies who comes up are mosly higher class or lower class.The middle class there have more problems and so they are more focused with that i guess.There is nothing regional or genetical ,its just the person and his or her circumstances.
You know what guys. I ran into this article because i was googl-ing for "Why are Indians so smart?".
While doing so one of the suggestions from google was
"Why are Indians so racist?"
Guess this thread shows why (refer to Comments 1 and 5).
Its sad but also one of the ironically funniest threads i've read so far. Keep it up guys. Prove google's point and drive it ALL THE WAY HOME.
South Indains are not smart in doing the work , they are smart in flattering their bosses and the people around them.so in the long run this element of their personlaity takes them to higher positions.they dont know how to sort out the things samrtly but they know very well how to scatter the things.this is my experiecne as an south indian myself.I dont feel ashamed accepting this fact ..
The other day one of my friend told me that these tamilians ladesstarted wearing the clothes just 5 years before only.confirm by seeing movies blouse and peticot.
man still wear lungis.
They dont like to be called themselves as indians.
I have a dream.
I have a dream when North Indians will accept South Indians as their equals.
I have a dream when North Indians will not ill treat South Indians in Delhi because of their dark skin color.
I have a dream when North Indians will learn a South Indian language and not make fun of a it.
I have a dream when North Indians would stop fighting with everyone including Pakistanis, Australians and Chinese.
Mallu Lal Kirupanandan- MLK.
The main reason behind this might be because Northern part of India faced continuous invasion from many people from Alexander to Mughals. So they had been continuously forced to change with culture and so there was no stability there. However still some people trying to follow the Indian Culture. The best example is Mumbai which now totalling rolling towards western culture and many of the families are facing problems because of this culture difference between two generations.
The only intelligent comment made was by Gurl, the rest was ranting and raving by Dravidianists and dumb north Indians
First things first - Razibs statement about math professors in north India being south Indians is incomplete - they are mostly south Indian brahmins
The super intelligent people in south India are south indian brahmins, which is why the other south Indians put up a 70% quota against them
Ramanujam, the Nobel prize winners - CV.Raman, Subrahmanya Chandrasekhar, Swaminathan Venkatraman
Chess Champion - Vish Anand
Vinodini Vasudevan - The only 12 year old with perfect SAT
Pranav Veera - the 6 year old with 176 IQ
Shriram Hathwar- the youngest Spelling bee finalist
8 out 12 members of the Indian nuke blast in 1974
Balu Natarajan, Ragashree Ramachandran - the earliest Indian spelling bee winners
Sridhar - inventor of Bloombox fuel cell
Narasimha Rao, who liberalised the Indian economy
Infosys etc are all south Indian brahmins
For several years, IT was wholly run by South Indian brahmins
Because the demand for H1b jobs exceeded supply the IT companies had to hire non-brahmin south Indians - smelly , not better IQ than whites,
I went to Engineering college in India and the ranking among students was
1. South Indian brahmin
2. North Indian brahmin
3. South Indian upper castes
4. North Indian upper castes
5. South Indian untouchables
6. North Indian peasants
--
At every caste level, south Indians are 5 points higher IQ than north Indians
My thinking is that it is due to islamic havoc in north India, disrupting the caste system
The caste system forces a trade on every one and some trades are highly g loaded
The patels and singhs are dumb as stone, though they work hard
I have seen too many dumb Patel engineers
and definitely the Patels are below white IQ
There are only a few pockets of high IQ north Indians beyond brahmins such as Jains and Khatris, the rest are dragging down the Indian IQ
And the non-brahmin south Indians have a taste for brahmin women, which mostly goes unfulfilled
In silicon valley, south Indian brahmin kids get A, whereas the sikh kids get a C
Y-DNA stats from Dienekes blog
R1A is the Aryan Y marker, found at 50% rate in eastern Europe
South Indian Non-Brahmins
R2 = 3.5%
R1A = 11.8%
L1 = 18.8%
J2A = 2.4%
H = 35%
South Indian Brahmins
R2 = 10.2%
R1A = 28.8%
L1 = 17%
J2A = 13.6%
H = 8.5%
North Indian Brahmins
R2 = 16.3%
R1A = 45.4%
L1 = 2.3%
J2A = 9.3%
H = 13%
North Indian OBC castes
R2 = 18.8%
R1A = 10.4%
R1B = 6.3%
L1 = 6.3%
J2A = 4.2%
H = 35%
Keep up the good work Steve,
this blog is becoming interesting by the day.
Here is my take on this.
American IT companies outsource their jobs to India. Now the Americans think they are smart but the Indian IT companies "act" more smart. I will explain how.
The Indian IT companies 'rate' the American Companies too. Firms whose contractual money is huge and those whom they consider is packed with gullible white American Managers who have no knowledge of India they allocate North Indian service centers like Delhi, Calcutta and Kanpur etc.,
a) If they find the White American Managers smart and knowledgeable about India's North South differences in IQ and programming skills and also
b) If the contractual amount runs to double digit millions they allocate the South Indian Cities like Chennai, Bangalore and Hyderabad where the best of India's HR is available.
The Indian IT companies dole out some excuse as to why they did not allot South Indian cities to these gullible American Managers (gullible in the sense, they are not aware of India's North South differences.
Oracle, IBM, Microsoft will even in their dreams will not open offices in North India. But ignorant American Outsourcing Manager who has no idea of India's racial cultural differences between North and South and differences in intelligence consider whole of India as one nation like say Northern US and Southern US.
I feel sorry for those American companies and their Managers.
half baked programmers, who cannot speak proper English, lacking in IQ are allocated to these American Companies from North India.
The smartie American companies however make sure that their service centers are from South and insist on South Indian centers.
Look this comment in the earliest post
I went to Engineering college in India and the ranking among students was
1. South Indian brahmin
2. North Indian brahmin
3. South Indian upper castes
4. North Indian upper castes
5. South Indian untouchables
6. North Indian peasants
South Indian brahmin(1), South Indian Upper castes(3), South Indian untouchables(4) beat North Indians of the same group.
The shocking revelation being that even South Indian untouchables being smarter than North Indian peasants.
If all South Indian groups are smarter than similar North Indian groups should it not point to the fact there is some common genetic strain (I am no Watson or Crick). among south Indians.
Anyone who has seen a South Indian Brahmin would tell you that he does not 'appear' much different from a South Indian Non brahmin.
The Priestly class spent most of its time honing its memory skills, cramming sanskritic verses. The parents experience becomes their childrens' genetic experience.
In short South Indian brahmins are not much different from South Indian non brahmins. They have the same gene pool. Btw what was the sample space for the R1A Aryan marker?
Also this person said that South Indian non brahmins 'smell'. Well Iyers and Ayyangars smell too especially their woman of Lentil Soup. A know a gynecologist who feared treating Brahmin women because they did not keep their important areas clean when compared to other woman.
Regarding infatuation of non brahmin men for brahmin women-he is right. I admit unashamedly that we like them....hmmm what to do never had an opportunity.
The upper caste dravidian marker is L
L is found in both south Indian brahmins and non-brahmins at around 18%
L originates in south Tamil Nad with some castes at 40% L
L is found in north India at around 6% and extends along the Indian western sea coast at around 12% and even extends as far as Syria at 3%
L may be considered maritime coastal caste
There has been a hypothesis, that the Sumerian civilization , 3000 BC, had a common origin with L
The difference in south Indian brahmins and non-brahmins is R1A and J2A are minimal in non-brahmins
And yes, south Indian brahmins can be distinguished from non-brahmins by somewhat lighter skin, somewhat more caucasoid features and sanskritic dialect
There was a large scale SNP study, and south Indian brahmins came in at 30% European and south Indian non-brahmins at 10% European
R1A is the Aryan marker associated with Lactose persistence and J2A is the wheat farmer haplogroup and extends into Greece and Europe
And yes, if I had to go to an Indian doctor, I would check the caste first
The X factor is haplogroup L1, shared by both South Indian brahmin and non-brahmin of about 17%
L1 is the precise difference between North Indian brahmins at 45% R1A and close to zero L1 and South Indian brahmins at 28% R1A and 17% L1
R1A is the Aryan gene , found in Russians and is associated with lactase persistence
The main food of south Indian brahmins is yogurt rice, which is avoided by the dravidian castes since they cant easily digest yogurt
South Indian brahmins also have 13% J2A, same as North Indian brahmins and Europeans, and J2A is associated with wheat farmers and South Indian dravidian castes eat rice, not wheat and have almost no J2A
J2A extends from North India to Western Europe
The next main difference between South Indian brahmins and the South Indian dravidian castes is that Haplogroup H is present at 35% in both Dravidian castes and north Indian backward castes and just 5% in both South Indian and north Indian brahmins
The need for a persistent 70% anti-brahmin quota does show a genetic gap between South Indian brahmins and South Indian non-brahmins
The 70% quota is not to make up for genetic gap, it is a bullet proof vest that Non Brahmins have to wear to protect themselves from a psycho-pathological form of clannism that Iyers and Ayyangars practice.
Take this debate itself as an example. Do you know of any Russian, Chinese, Japanese social-sub group questioning the intelligence of their neighbors.
Is not Ilayaraja producing the best of tunes? did not abdul Kalam father the IGMDP (Integrated Guided Missile Development Prog).
Are not Anna and even MK smart? U need not agree to their philosophy. Look how brahmin Jeya bungling? She is, as you brahmins say, an ABISHTU.
Can any language be as so advanced in grammar and literature as Tamil. Did not Nehru say in his discovery of India that India is home to two great languages, Tamil and Sanskrit.
Till u have this superiority complex and dislike for fellow South Indians we need this quota.
There is no Quota in USA but non-brahmin Telugus and Tamils dominate the US IT industry. Americans do not mind their smell.
as we "Ava" do not mind ur Paruppu smell and early morning (shameless) screaming of Kausalya Rama by a former Nehruvian Concubine.
Anon wrote - The 70% quota is not to make up for genetic gap, it is a bullet proof vest that Non Brahmins have to wear to protect themselves from a psycho-pathological form of clannism that Iyers and Ayyangars practice.
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This excuse sounds similar to blacks trying to explain away the IQ gap and for maintaining quotas
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and all castes practise clannism
Caste riots in Tamil Nad happen between mid-level dravidian castes and untouchable dravidian castes, no brahmins involved
From gnxp
Not necessary to adopt WASP ethos (whatever that is). The SIB (South Indian Brahmin) community in Canada (or Toronto at least) has formulated their own creed, work ethic, subculture, whatever you want to call it. Very successful, allowing them to maintain most Indian cultural trappings while having very high success rate in the capitalistic culture here. Things such as food habits (vegetarian cuisine), fine culture (music/dance), "mother language", certain aspects of religion as well as "morals" are all maintained - and they fit like a glove into society. If I'm not mistaken they even manage to maintain arranged marriages or at least have a greater percentage of their kids go that route vs. "love marriage".
As far as IT workers go,
many H1B dont even have a BS degree
Many have a 6 month diploma
and many use fake qualifications to get in
Most of these IT workers are 'Goltis' which is a pejorative term used to denote non-brahmin telugu dravidian castes
These IT workers are deeply resented by American co-workers for a variety of sins from fake resumes to intense casteism in hiring to lack of fluency in english to lack of competence and to lack of using deoderants
ITgrunt and other such blogs take off on Goltis
North Indians drive taxi cabs, run 7-11, motels and kwiki-mart and pump gas, whereas South Indians are more found in tech jobs
In productivity driven America it is doubtful if these 'Golts' would be allowed to stay if they do not produce results.
Had they been non brahmins these same fellows would prattle as follows
"They are very smart and have astounded America by their programming skills"
-Actually this person has no idea of IT. Golts are really good, you cannot pass judgment on all Golts because of some stray Golt.
-Also to say all the H1 workers do not even have a degree is just plainly absurd. There was on instance of a Police Constable slipping in but that was a very rare case. The American Consulate in Chennai has been very strict since 2001. They are arrested and sent to jail if they arrive with bogus degrees or resumes.
-Assuming they come with fake resumes how come they are surviving, do you mean to say Americans are dumb.
-I am an IT professional myself and I am from Tamil Nadu and I can say that almost all the Golts I have met so far are smart asses when it comes to programming. Though they may not be good in English as the Tamils.
-Regarding smell. All foreigners smell. South Indian Brahmins emanate a stinking odour, the odour of casteism, Aryanism, clannism, exclusivism, nihilist supremacy that would make Adolf Hitler bow down his head in shame. In prattling propaganda about the so called "non-intelligence" of Non Brahmins they would make Goebbals look like a school child.
These are "internet" lions who use the anonymity of the internet to say waht they like but would behave like holy saints when confronted in person-whited sepulcher- is what they are and this description fits them to a T.
We should feel sorry for them.
razib at gnxp - don't confuse the tamil brahmin community (iyers and their ilk) with the rest, they'll castrate you for it....
For isteve readers, there are 2 aspects to south Indian IQ
The first is labor arbitrage, whether on a cost-performance basis, south Indians can displace the bulk of white Euros
On this angle, South Indian brahmins, merchants and peasant castes can displace most Euro white collar jobs ,
especially low end monotonic tech jobs
Cost-performance means that even at slightly lower IQ, if the labor rates are cheap enough, then outsourcing is feasible
The second aspect is at the high end of the IQ scale, and here the only south Indians capable of replacing whites are SIB
According to the previous posting rocket scientists like Dr.Abdul Kalam, Annadurai(father of India's Moon Rocket),Music Genius Ilayaraja are less smart than Europeans.
Brainless samayalkara Parpanan, (Ghat) Sudukkatu parpanan, Cho, brainless Jeyalalitha only are capable of replacing the brainy White Euros and that includes Rocket Scientists.
South Indian Brahmins have a serioud "intelligence" disorder.
We are intelligent than others attitude. They should be declared persona-non-grata and asked to quit India and go back to the land of their origins, which is Central Asia.
If you look at the highest levels of white euro IQ, such as world chess champion or Science Nobels, the only caste that consistently meets this is SIB and in US diaspora, the Hindus score nearly at jewish levels and SIB stand alone at much higher than jewish levels in SAT
The head of Indian space agency is Madhavan Nair, a caste whose women has been impregnated by SIB men for a 1000 years and virtually indistinguishable from SIB
You also dont understand the concept of IQ bell curve, and standard deviation, every caste will have some individuals on the high end of the IQ spectrum, but higher mean IQ will cause over-representation on higher end
What you have to see is who has consistent over-representation at the top end, and in the 1974 Indian nuke blast, 8 out 12 scientists on the team were SIB
Ilayaraja is a musician and there are plenty of low IQ black musicians who do just as well
And as far as going to Central Asian Origins, let me point you to
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19158816
The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* ( Aryan gene ) substantiates the autochthonous ( indigenous ) origin of Brahmins and the caste system.
Sharma S, Rai E, Sharma P, Jena M, Singh S, Darvishi K, Bhat AK, Bhanwer AJ, Tiwari PK, Bamezai RN.
National Centre of Applied Human Genetics, School of Life Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, India.
And you do know that the anti-british freedom movement in south India was led by SIB, whereas the dravidianist leaders were collaborators of the british
You Genius Intellectuals from JNU said " And you do know that the anti-british freedom movement in south India was led by SIB, whereas the dravidianist leaders were collaborators of the british"
How come you conveniently forgot the attempts made at such collaboration by Brahmins of Bengal and Aryavarta (Indo Gangetic Plain) who created the Arya Samaj and Brahmo Samaj to mollycoddle with Britsh imperialism.
Unlike the Mughals the British refused to assimilate and did not allow them to enter the Ruling elite as Bahadurs and Divans. The Indian Independence movement was a direct result of this rejection. Had the Britishers allowed Brahmins to enter the ruling elite (one of teh first demands of the INC started by AO Hume was the reform of the Civil Service and allow more Indians to become Collectors/Distric Magistrates) the brahmins would have called Gandhi a traitor.
- No Less a person than the son og Gandhi Devdas moaned how the Brahmins killed Gandhi. Gandhi's other son (Hiralal) was so disgusted with Brahmins that he took to Islam.Did he not?
--Motilal Nehru misused Gandhi's soft and good nature to promote his son Nehru by promising to align with him to defeat the English speaking Congress elite (One of whom was Jinnah).
--Can anyone forgot Brahmins lining before book shops in Chennai trying to learn German during the Second World War so as to play fiddle to the Nazis claiming R1A Genes (Ha ha ha).
--So disgusted were the Britishers with Brahmin Chameleon trait that they started promoting South Indian Backward Classes giving them titles like Rai Bahadur, Divan Bahadur. Huge number of Backward Caste members were conferred the ICS and IP (now IPS) title and made collectors and Police officers.
---Your Bell Curve argument still does not convince me. You are again comparing 1000's of castes against one caste.
--Even if you take Ilayaraj's caste and pair it against Brahmins and if the curve is loaded against Ilayaraja's and judge how successful his Social Group when compared to Brahmins the missing factor will be Clannism and We Group that his group may be missing and not lack of IQ.
--If Brahmins are indigenous then where did the come from Brahma's mouth and we Shudras from his foot.
The varna system, a Procrustean frame of reference, used to justify casteism lacks scientific validity, was an invention of a maniac called Manu and his stupid Smritis. and it needs to be given a decent burial by you Genius intellectuals of JNU.
The only paragraph that deals with caste in the Rig Veda - 2000 BC
Purusa-suktam or creation hymn
From His face (or the mouth) came the brahmanas. From His two arms came the rajanya (the kshatriyas). From His two thighs came the vaishyas. From His two feet came the shudras
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If you ask the orthodox brahmins this is what they will point to as to origin of caste - note no word about Aryan or dravidian
At the time of this text, caste had already been long established and there is only a creation myth to try to explain caste
As far as R1A, the germans dont have it, just 10%, only the Russians have it at 50%
The word Arya exists only in India and Iran, the Germans hijacked it along with the swastika in about 1880
The Arya Samaj was founded by a non-english speaking Gujurati in 1850, before the west even became aware of the word Aryan
and many Arya Samajists were martyred by the british
As far as WW2, Savarkar, (SIB), ( mastermind of gandhi assasination for muslim appeasement ) who had earlier organised assassinations of English officials in 1910, and spent 10 years in hard labor, recruited 2 million Hindus for the British Army. Of course he had ulterior motives in planning to use these 2 million soldiers against the british after ww2
The british favor to the dravidianist justice party began in 1921, well before ww2
Rama describes Buddha as a Fraud in one north Indian version of Ramayana because Buddha wanted a casteless society. Caste is a social division of labor which became discredited over a period of time. The lazy bums assumed superiority just because they were doing occupation that did not involve manual labor.
Bell curve and other thoughts:If you conduct an IQ contest of people in Ilayaraja’s caste and create a sub-caste with those with IQ > 120 and repeatedly in breed them (endogamy) for thousand years you will get a Mean that is higher than the mean of Ilayaraja’s parent caste. India must have tried with eugenics long time before. I never said Brahmins are not intelligent I only said Brahmins are South Indians who are intelligent. And they are superior in intelligence because they are south Indians.
You said The Arya Samaj was founded by a non-english speaking Gujurati
Response: The Arya Samaj was founded by a Brahmin from Gujarat and therefore makes him too a secret Aryan Supremacist . Hans F. K. Günther, Alfred Ploetz, Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer Nazi Idealogues and believers in Pure Race theory were influenced by the writings of Dayanand Saraswatif, who had authored more than 60 books on the subject. It is through his writings too that they learn about Indian astrological tradition. Dayanand is the ORIGINAL NAZI
You said: as far as WW2, Savarkar, (SIB), ( mastermind of gandhi assasination for muslim appeasement )
Response: You still justify the killing of Gandhi the greatest Indian after Buddha and the greatest human being after Jesus and Buddha. Savarkar along with this disciple Godse (the Gandhi killer) was a criminal in the eyes of Indian Govt and the people of India. Do not justify the acts of the vilest person after Judas and Brutus. Sorry we South Indians like good North Indians do not like the Gandhi killers.
You said : The british favor to the dravidianist justice party began in 1921, well before ww2
Response The British love for BCs and conferment of ICS and IP started only in 1935 that too 5 years after the publication of the Simon Commission report in 1930. No marks for you.
What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Do you understand the question-"Why are South Indians so smart?" so instead of finding an answer to this question you guys are just mud slinging on each other, please don't show this cheap attitude towards your brothers and sisters on a powerful media like this, remember the world is still looking for an answer not your non-sense.So can we have some brilliant answers or theories please..
Adam Strong.
Let me venture to answer this question. South Indians are smart because of syllable called "ZH" . This 'Zh" exists on in Tamil and Malayalam. Tamils and Malayalees constitute the core of South Indian Intelligence.
This "ZH" is defined as a retroactive reflexive and does not exist in any language of the world. There is no way a non Tamil-Malayalam speaker can pronounce this most peculiarly sounding syllable. It is not pronounced Zeee-EEH as in English, but comes closer to EL but the tongue has to be twisted to bring out a "ZZ" similar to ZZ in Schwarsnaggars' name.
Now how does this improve intelligence. Well the pronounciation of this syllable is said to wake up the neurotic pathways in the brains that stimulates the cortical areas -the thinking areas-.
Repeated usage of ZH on an everyday basis in their language makes Tamils-Malayalees (both Brhamin and non brhamin) smart asses.
Guys I read all the comments and this situation makes me sad. It wont take too long when a country like China will invade us because our country is still fighting over petty matters. Lets think of everyone as just an INDIAN. We are all educated people and we should not get influenced by these stupid politicians in our country. Let us respect everyone and be a united country otherwise outsiders will take advantage of the divide.
Indian
guys this is one of the form of "Divide and rule"
please don't worry guys every body on earth are intelligent; but every body are not Ramanujam, subash chandra bose, nehru
and don't forget we are INDIANS (means one/united and ready to smash others if provoked)
I don't think Indians are smart. If they were indeed smart as they claim to be, why is that the country is in shambles. You can claim to be the new economic tiger but that claim rings hollow because Indians cant build one decent road in the country...all because they are a little too smart (receiving bribes etc.) Indians may be quick thinkers but that does not mean they are wise.
I am South Indian descent. Born and raised in South Africa. thankfully, we in SA have never followed any caste or divided system. We are friends with tamil/hindi/gujurat/black/white/brown. India's caste system is a curse to itself. When I visit India, my heart is open to everyone regardless of origin/colour/langauge. THAT my friends, is the foundation of Indian history and philosophy.
WE ALL ARE HUMAN AND ONLY THAT MATTERS AS FAR AS I AM CONCERN . IF I COULD UNDERSTAND AT 13 YEARS OF AGE WHY ALL OF YOU CANT? DID YOU HEARD THAT ANYONE BREATH CARBON DI OXIDE?
In my opinion it is North Indians who are smart. If you compare North Indians and South Indians in Corporate America, you will find North Indians are in top Managerial jobs whereas South Indians will be in Technical jobs.
How this came to be.
Well For one, South Indians when they try for their job look for
a) Fortune 500 company
b) With a market capital of 50 m- to 50 billion
c) They look for high salary > $75000
d) They look for employee strength of > 5000.
In contrast North Indians do not do this
a) They look for designations with "Manager" nomenclature.
b) They simply give up all else.
The result is, North Indians move horizontally from Fortune 10000 to Fortune 1000 and Fortune 500 as Manager, Senior Manager and Director.
Vertical mobility is not that easy in Corporate america as horizontal mobility.
The foolish South Indian who started his job as a Technical Wizard will after 10 years go for another Technical wizard job-as say a senior programmer.
While in terms of technology,and raw intelligence Southies could beat Northies in terms of worldly wisdom Northies beat Southies and after 10 years Northies will be Directors or vice presidents earning twice the salary of South Indians.
Also North Indians are very social unlike Southies who are socially awkward.These might be over-generalizations but in Corporate America where success is dependent on
a) Communicative ability
b) Networking
Northies win hands down.
Northies win hands down. Southies will be grand success in South India because the 'culture talk' enables understanding but in America where the average top American bosses are ignorant of India's North-South divide, all Indians are seen as smart and Northies use this sheen earned by Southies to their advantage.
Also let us make this blog a place for healthy debate and not a place for ventilating immature, emotional outbursts.
c)
Though I am from North but i have to agree that yes south Indians are smarter.
I happened to be in a job at mumbai for 12 years and i came to know that even in offices a south indian goes ahead in terms of promotion than others.
I tried to find the reason behind it. and i found that in Mumbai they have a weekly meeting of all south Indians and there they are taught how to go ahead of other staff in offices. This was some 20 years back.
Obviously all Union leaders or people in establishment/Hr are all south indians.
Why mostly all banks Union leaders are south indians or bengalies
Hey open your eyes man..I am staying in South India for past ten years and what I have found is Tamilians are cold. No energy at all.. No good will.. Just jealous on every north indian..If we are rocking here in all sort of business is because we are open minded and cool. Watch out your irritating,untolerable movies. It shows the origionl face.Thats what you are. Idiots, narrow minded, stinking and extrem selfish.. Thats what majority of you are. I do respect the way you have carried culture. But product like you are given by tamilians only..Stop getting jealous. You will improve a lot.Shame on you, pepole like you brings embarrassment to whole comunity.. What your elders have earned get spoiled in seconds.. go die somewhere.
Hi,
came to know lot of hidden facts like disintegration of India and blah blah... LOLZ...
some comments were interesting, some were funny whereas some were annoying...
I am Punjabi, but It was very very disappointing to see such mutual hate... we should understand that we all belong to same nation and we all should live peacefully respecting each others values and traditions....
@south indians - Look guys, north indian never hates south indians. so get stereotyped by hearing few people comments... Rajnikant is bascially Maharastrian and we never call him AN ORDINARY south indian actor...we know he is god there.. personaly i love watching telugu and tamil movies...
@sardar who called SIs as monkeys: you ass, you really need to think what you are calling others? They are not monkey, actually you are donkey....
@very first comment: you are biggest ass hole... your language was good, but you became inspiration of another asshole dude...
India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all.
William James Durant (November 5, 1885 – November 7, 1981) American writer, historian.
Sir,
This year too a South Indian Tamil speaking Non brahmin girl Anamika Veeramani has won the US 2010 Spelling Bee championship.
Congratulations Anamika.
Its funny I had two instances of north indians starting to preach me about different race and stuff.. I am fairer than them and some one asked me if I am really Indian.. I think this thikning arises from inferiority complex of feeling inferior and trying to identify themselves with whites, aryans to feel better. Its shameful behaviour....
what north indians and south indians ... we are busy fighting with each other ... Go and ask mumbaikars and delhities about bihari and UP babus.. At same time a telugu guy , tamil guy and kannada guy are all different although we share similarities.... Every state is unique in India....
First things First. It is confirmed fact by brain researcher that learning multiple languages or being bilingual makes people more intelligent due to linkages in the brain & its resulting development. Taking that into account you would see an average South Indian has learned more than 2 languages. They have accepted English education while some of them have tried to shun the language itself. Even now South Indians prioritize issues such as Education, Health care and Infrastructure unlike ayodhya or ram temple. The entire states of South India carry the economy of the entire country in their shoulders without agriculture North India is just a burden on India. You may also consider that all South Indians are of Dravidian origin who have their origins in India, South Indians because of the fact that they were pushed down and had to settle in the South where thankfully they didn't have to worry about security & stability internal nor external hence they evolved to be mellow, humble & friendly traits of an intelligent person. South Indians are definitely more intelligent. I am a south Indian muslim & I thank South India and India as whole for being drastically & intellectually superior than other muslim counterparts in North or Pakistan. On the contrary north Indian are settlers of Indo-Aryan origin from Russia, Iran & other northern Countries. Due to safety & security disturbances they were not able to develop themselves as much as South Indians, However due to same reason the North Indians are found to be driven and aggressive again important traits due to which they fare well in business. They are like Master of One where as South Indians may be Jack of all. Some Text and refernces I read in College where either a Sharma or Mehra or Khanna or Chopra or Dutta or Pandit & not many Swami. You can also observe that there are greater technical colleges & universities of repute in South whereas higher edu like business schools are at north. So you may say that a graduate or undergraduate is more employable than his counterpart of same age in North India. I would also say that North India are unwavering and less likely to be fooled. They would kill & die for gods but not for film actors, politicians unlike the case in South.
Hi all,
First of all I want to introduce me as a south indian, non-brahmin telugu born and brought up in tamilnadu, married to a tamil born and brought up in mumbai. I find the whole issue worthless which will only yield ill will and animosity amongst us. Since i grew in tamilnadu i very well the mentality of the people.
First about the so called brilliance of tamils over their counterparts in the north: Every human brain has immense potential but we only use upto 10 percent or less of it in the absence of external stimulus. Down south the society is very strict and only academic achievement is appreciated and celebrated. becos of this mentality the kids get prepared from a very early age to learn and learn and learn. any other activities are not much appreciated. girls are not allowed to dress up well since they might disturb the opp sex and the guys also are more conservative in their thought and are quite chaste and morally strict. all these help them in concentrating in their studies becos they know only their achievement can make them free from overbearing parents and the society in general. So they perform better in their exams.their dull looks are also another factor that doesnt distract them from their target.
Northies on the other hand tend to celebrate life and enjoy life which ultimately affects their performance at school and college.
As far as these comments made by some tamils about brahmanism and brahmins i think they are in badtaste. brahmins have tolerated injustice meted to them and appear cheerful. that doesnt mean we can can bullshit them. mind you shortsighted pro dravidian tamils....the brahmins have to wait their turn patiently until all the other caste students were satisfied and given seats and finally they are given one or two seats. in spite of that they top academics and other fields and it is mainly becos of the brahmins' contribution that the tamils get the name and fame. infact viswanathan anand is a tamil brahmin who is the present world champion in chess. you take most of the world famous tamils occupying enviable positions inthe economic as well as It world. If you do a simple census you will find that most of them are brahmins. I am a non-brahmin but i have seen how mean these pro-dravidian tamils can be and this forum is a classic example for one.
I cant bear to see this forum softly advocating separistism by dividing the south and the north. The south should learn to live with the whole india along with its diversities. the tamils who voice their opinions against brahmins and others are pro-dravidian athiests and we shouldnt give in to their ideologies. Thank you.
India should be divided into two nations North India and South India. I am from North India and I support this division. We Northies have exploited South Indians a lot and i can understand how the Southies feel.
The differences between North and South exists even in Ancient Philosophical literature. While the content in Sanskrit literature the language of Ancient North is mystical, religious and very philosophical ancient South Indian literature is rational,logical,secular and pragmatic.
This in a way explains why religious tolerance is high in South India.
In the Southern State of Kerala, where I come from, one street has four places of worship all in the same street.
India at the moment has high representation of people from my state in the Central Govt., We have never had it this good in India's 60 years of independence.
- Biju
Had South Indian been an indepedent country it would have long before overtaken Japan,China and the SE Asian nations. It would have become a 'developed' nation in 1970 itself.
Since India's nuclear physicists are all South Indians, it would also be a Nuclear power. North Indian leaders imposed a Socialist philosophy on India and it took a South Indian like P.V.Narasimha Rao once he became PM put India on the path to development. the present PM Manmohan Singh was brought in by Rao as Econmic advisor. India will shatter not because someone will do it but the inherent contradictions, diversities are so mind boggling it will soon crumble under its own weight.
I'm south Indian (Karnataka) and I find Rizab Khan's work and your question (with all its caste and skin colour connotations) pretty inane and obviously formulated by someone who doesn't know India at all. It's also obvious to any Indian that people bad mouthing North/South Indians are just trolls. I'm doing a Phd in Math from a top Ivy but my cousin dropped out of college and was unemployed for some time. There's no logic to it. The impression is that South India is better developed in RECENT years, for which equal credit must go to the many smart hard working Indians who migrated from the north, east and west and started businesses here. Even this is a fallacy because the Richest states per capita GDP are still Maharashtra, Gujarat, Punjab, Haryana which are all "North". FYI most of us don't even think of ourselves and others as "South Indian" and "North Indian".
There is a difference between how North and South Indians perceive "India". North Indians perceive "India" in a positive light because they hold the keys to the Indian army in their hands. South Indians feel alienated because of this. A north indian language is artificially made the national language, their film actors are "national" actors the rest are considered 'regional' -semantically has a narrow connotation. Indian's ruling dynasty, are North Indians.A lot of Northerners migrate South because of the comparative efficiency in South India. In South India trains arrive on time, people buy tickets in public transport, there is more conscientiousness in job and work culture-factors that are missing in North.This forces businessmen from North to move South. As stated by the gentlemen in the previous post they are successful because they moved South. By money alone one does not become successful you need people, the best of Human Resources, these North Indian investors have this in South and hence they have become successful. North Indians however stick to Old Economy, the New Economy are all led by South Indian business leaders.
Ha..ha..Haa...
Steve actually started this post for some intellectual discussions..
But people are vomiting things , which they or their race were carrying for centuries!!...
I am a Malayalee.(from Kerala South India).
I have seen people hate people/races without even talking or understanding the other side.
I have seen Muslims hate Jews, even without interacting with a jew in life time.
I have interacted with Arabs,Pakistanis,Pushtuns when i was working in KUWAIT.
I worked with Chinese,British,French and Dutch people.
I also talked to Jews...
These interactions confirmed me one thing..NEVER EVER FALL into a GENERALISATION about these RACES!.
In every race there are Good & bad people.
I have been to DELHI also...i interacted with JHATS and other North Indian Cousins!!..
Everyone has a strength and weakness of his own..that's for sure...
When i was in Kuwait Arabs called me a 'MALABARRI'..where as malabar was just a northern portion in Kerala.
When i was in North India, North Indian friends called me a 'MADRASSI', where MADRASS(now Chennai) is just a name of a place in TAMIL NADU, which is 500 km away from my place!!...
Normally i smile and tell them..hey buddies get it your Geographical knowledge right...then talk"..:-)
As a Keralites, we never oppossed HINDI as a language...When i was a child i learned Hindi separately apart from School education..
After 2 decades when i happened to work in New Delhi..this HINDI knowledge helped me a lot.
I also love Tamil..which is considered as our Mother (root) language from where Malayalam originated.
Why we hate a language?...
Why we are so narrow minded
i would like to learn Hebrew /Arabic also, if that will help me to produce good friends!!...
Come to the point...Why South Indians are Smart...
I think North Indians are Smart as well...
Since i am a s/w engineer, i can tell my experience..
South Indians especially Mallus(from Kerala) are back bench phobiacs!!..
Even they are technically sound, they will not show or shy to perform in front of a crowd..
They will create miracles when they are left alone.
North Indians are very good at presenting something in a very cool manner...that i have seen many times.
Normally in India BIHAR is considered as one of the backward state...but majority of the people gets IAS is from BIHAR..and i have worked with some really smart Bihariz!!..
In mallu there's a proverb like.."Pattaril Pottanilla"...Means There's not a single dumb person in Patter(spl Brahmin race).
When Britishers were ruling,all the great Judges,Advocates,Accountants, Ministers and advisers to Kings were Brahmins.
I think that is only because,they were the only educated race at that time....
There's another race called 'NAIR's ' in KERALA.
Brahmins counted them as only as 'Shudras' under the 4 divisions under 'Kshathriyaz'.
But Now look at NAIRS!!..When they got education they have defeated all those Brahmanical superiority with its education and modesty.
1) ISRO(Space Agency) chairman( Last 2 chairmans as well)
2) India's National Security Adviser
3) Powerful Home Secy.
4) Prime Minister's principal Secy.
5) India's Foreign Secy
6) Former UN's Under Secy ( Mr Shashi Tharoor)
7) India's Left party's Secretary(Mr.Praksh Karat)
8) 2 Members of their powerful Politbuero.
9) TAMIL NADU's most powerful CM in History Mr.MG Ramachandran
10) Singapore's former PM and Opposition leaders( Mr.Kannann NAir & Devan Nair)...etc
This has nothing to do with their DNA'.
As some of my Tamil friend has wrote Malluz are just born from ARABs in Dravidian Girls...this has nothing to do with DNA's ..
It's because of CULTURE+EDUCATION.
When u combine both..it's alwaqys paves path to succeess...
Since, for Success there's no SORTCUTS by friends!!..
The North South Divide was recently revealed in how either regions "handled" Film actor Rajnikanth's movie "Robot". Filmed at a cost of $35 million it was India's first Sci-Fi film. It is running to packed houses in South India and has so far within 10 days collected 1 billion Rupees. The same movie released in North in a Hindi version collected only 70 million rupees. North Indians preferred a stupid Romantic comedy by ugly looking actor Ranbir titled Anjanaa Ajanaba. A south indian friend saw this movie and told me that the movie was just bad.
In contrast when I saw the South Indian Robot movie (Enthiran). I found it fantastic. I already seen it twice would see it again. The Human Imagination is used to the hilt by the South Indian film Director Shankar.The music and audio is by Oscar Winners, South Indians A.R.Rahman and Roosal Pookutty. Everyone should watch Robot also titled Enthiran.
Well! The same castes are there all over India like Chandravamshi:Rai(Karnataka)/Rayudu (AP)/Mudaliar(TN), Bunt(Karnataka)/Velama(AP)/Vellala(TN), Nairs(Kerala), Suryavamshi:Malla/Pallar, Agnivamshi: Billava/Balija, Naik/Naidu, Mooppanar, Udaiyar. Why hide behind colour or under a North-Indian banner when every caste has a presence all over India under different names? Definitely, the Agnivamshis, and Suryavamshis of North India can't claim to be superior to the Chandravamshis of the South, can they?
our country is INDIA.why do we divide into two??????it is not south indians or north indians.We are Indians.smartness of the people doesn't depends on the place they belong to.Stop spilling ur own country people with hurting words like "MONKEYS".don't u know monkeys are smartter than other animals.learn to respect ur country,respect ur own country people.if u don't do that how other country people will respect us?
Calling South Indians as monkeys is very bad. India's top scientists, physicists, mathematicians are monkeys. India's top IT companies, software companies were founded and led by monkeys. It because of Monkeys India has earned this much glory,fame around the world. If we south indian monkeys quit India and establish our own nation the truncated India, which will be north india will become another basket case, a banana republic like Afghanistan, Pakistan or North Korea.
-- A Monkey
Steve, as a South Indian, I feel proud of you. I am planning on recommending your name for the Nobel Peace Prize. Very few Westerners are aware of the huge gap that exists between India's north and south.
How come the Southern Sudanese get an opportunity to vote and separate. When will this opportunity be given to India's South.
South Indians are smart? Haha. Who do you think caused this recession? In 1998 when white Americans were running Silicon Valley the economy way booming.
Companies ruined or almost ruined by Indian labor
Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Dell - call center (closed in India)
Delta call centers (closed in India)
Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
United - call center (closed in India)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).
Your litany of allegations actually confirms Steve's Sailor's point that South Indians are smart. It is a left handed compliment. You have praised the intelligence of South Indians without knowing you are doing it. I never knew South Indians dominate the IT field this much. The Dead make no mistakes.You have selectively listed failures what about the successes. The Indian economy is ticking at 9%. South Indian at 12-13%, greater than China.
Unlike China Indian GDP numbers cannot be manipulated the economy (so to say) is in the "public domain".
Taking pride in India's progress brought about by Dravidian Speaking South Indians.eh! If we are a failure why move to South India. Stay back in your Basket (economy) northern states.
Also remember a A representative sample is something that also has frauds,incompetent but they cannot be the sample. First learn basic statistical principles before pointing mistakes. Also Alukah Kumar and Arun Sharma and his wife are pure HINDI speaking North Indians. Are you from Pakistan? Because you do not know the difference between South Indians and North Indians.
because I am a south Indian
i know that indians r intelligent but it is also true that indians r most recist and hypocritic country
When candidate goes from Hindi North and Non Hindi South before the Civil Service Interview board based in Hindi Delhi-North India, the following is the difference in the kind of questions posed to them
-- To the North Indian Hindi North Indian
( a history candidate)
UPSC Interview Board Member:
Who is Mahatma Gandhi.
Gandhi is the person who got India independence, He is called the Father of the nation.
Hindi speaking Northern Interview Board Members:
How brilliant, how intelligent,how smart
Now let us say a south indian candidate goes before the same interview board. let us say he too is a history student
Interview Board Member:
Can you tell how the Schoedingar wave equation was used to prove the Newtonian Law of Dynamics.
candidate; Sorry sir, I do not know
Board Members: how stupid
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Let us say a North Indian Physicist student goes to the interview
Board: Who gave the famous equation e=cm2
candidate: albert einstein
To a South Indian Physicist student the question would be
Can you inform how the fall of Constantinople galvanized European aristocracy to seek sea routes to india.
candidate:sorry sir. do not know
How stupid
No wonder the indian civil service is dominated by Hindi speaking north indians
hi to all,
As per I know that intelligence varies person to person not area wise or region wise.
There are many example of this like.
If you go state wise the it depend up on % of educated people in that not due to South and North.
i m from North-eastern India. I believe south Indians are really smarter than other Indians. When i was at school, i had tamilian, malayalam and telegu friends. Most of them are hardworking and pretty smart. South Indian colleges, schools etc. are very famous here. All of the high-tech cities Bangalore, Hyderabad and Chennai etc. are also situated there.
One pinjabi crackhead says South Indians are black monkeys.
South Indians are famous for their looks.
Aishwarya Rai - A South Indian
John Abraham - A South Indian
Sri Devi - A South Indian
Shilpa Shetty - A South Indian
Deepika Padukone - A South Indian
I can list a lot more bollywood bigwigs who are South Indians.
And bollywood is just plain BS. Tamil, Malayalam, Telugu & Kannada movies account for 70% of the movies released in India annually. And bollywood takes credit for that saying its the biggest film industry.
South India's GDP growth rate is 15%, compared to that of 4-5% of north India. South India could have become an Europe by now if all the four Southern states Unite.
wow, I see only abt 5% of intelligent comments in this stream of comments flowing since 2002, ..certainly shows the intelligence of Indians (south as well as north) !
Thanks Mr Steve, for showing to the world, how hollow and full of hatred are 95% of these Indians, for each other and that they are so narrow minded and can't think beyond regionalism and racism.
The 2011 Pan India civil service (one of the world's toughest exam) was topped by a South Indian Chennai born girl Divya Darshini. It is through this highly competitive exam (100 candidates out of 250,000 are selected to India's top bureaucratic positions. They are the Steel Frame that keeps India united. The first male candidate was also a South Indian (Tamil).
If south indians are discriminated as some of the postings say then who come these two South Indian Tamil speaking candidates were allowed to top the exam. I am from North India and it is my opinion that South Indians are more cerebral but North Indians are dynamic and enterprising.
India is perceived as a soft state this can be attributed to the Kerala/Malayalee domination of the Indian Foreign Service. Malayalees/ Keralites never challenge authority. Being a minority confined to a small stretch of land in South West India they have to leave their state to survive. They learn Hindi/Tamil for that reason to survive. They are assimilative due to compulsion. because they they are timid by nature when they are given authority to run or govern a nation's foreign policy, the nation's foreign policy also becomes timid/frightened. It should noted that it was when Krishna Menon defence the chinese invaded India. There was another Menon,the dad of present NSA, Shivshankar Menon, who was ambassador to China. The indian foreign policy establishment needs tough speaking Punjabis/Tamils and Bengalis not weak need members of a linguistic group who are proverbially known for their submissive nature. If india is to establish the image of a great nation and regional power it should DE-keralise its foreign policy establishment.
u people are soo bleady racist..living undrer 1 roof, n each one of u'l are discriminating one another by showing its own supeority. this attitude if u peop keeps going on, its only guno kill urself up n u guyz can actually forghet about indians development..no matter ur south or north, YOU ARE ALL INDIANS DAAMMN IT! so jz shut up and appreciate it morrons.
A moron is calling Indians morons. The word "Indian" is a geographical term like "European".
There are no Europeans only French, Russians, Germans, Spanish and Italians.
Applying your Moron Barometer then these people are morons to call themselves French or German and Irish.
Well if you celeberate Patrick day well then that makes you a moron because all Europeans do not celebrate Patricks Day.
By celebrating Patrick's Day you are calling yourself "Irish" . Hey what on earth is that? Are you not European.
What is that Irish.
This blogger is one of the few guys in the West who seems to understand that India is made of multi linguistic -racial
subunits like Europe and that "India" is nothing but Asia's Europe made of different nations brough together
by Britain for adminitrative convenience.
Do not reveal your ignorance by calling us Morons and if you celebrate St.Patrick's day that would make you
a moron because St.Patrick's Day is not a "European" festival.
If Irish/German/Scots call themselves inventive that is moronic because all Europeans are inventive
and did I say Belgium has few mathematicians.
i do not know anything about indian been smart but one thing i know about this country that is so absurd is the way the treat other human beings. you are here dabating on who is smarter than the other when your country is been look at as uncvilazed. becuase of the so call untoucable issues. how can you dabate and call each other names when there is a time bomb ticking and ready to explore. you should be dicusing you caste system and it't cruelty towards dark skin indians.
really...we are all going to fight over this? calling each other names? forget about we being intelligent or smart-we are not even nearly human.Take a break.
Hey this is the old method "Divide and rule",once it implemented on us now not possible , becouse All INDIANS are smart.No specification and no separation needed . We are INDIANS all are smart than others.
And proud to be an INDIAN
why all u r fighting. steve posted this article specially to start fight between Indians like britishers did. bloody britishers
u have forgotten 2 states of east and west-i mean bengal and maharashtra.the first one as intellectual and cultureal capital -the bengal province has produced best scientist of east-two of all time great-jc bose and sn bose-the second one was rated in top ten physist of all time by greatest science author and nobel prize winner-lev landau.and the first one the real inventor of radio(1998 iee publication)andthe first man in the world to show plant has life.one of the gratest literury genius of 20th century-tagore and apolymath who got popularity along with tolostoy and yeats(may be more).the man who established hinduism in world map-swami vivekananda.mother teressa-bbcx rated him top 3 prsonality of 20th century,asias only economics nobel prize winner-amartya sen,satyajit roy-one of the greatest directors of all timewhose 5 movies had been listed in worelds greatest top 100 movies by various magazines(Source-wikipedia)and the greatest asian composer ravishankar-whose association with the greatest music entity of 20th century-beatles and his impact on george harrison and beatles.there are many more like fazlur khan,ronald ross,jayed karim,md.yunus-the whole page will be finished-actually more than 70 percent of people most popularly known in west(eg in england or us)are fom the undivided bengal province-with total of 6 nobel prize winner(after tokyo and kyoto of japan)from asiaSHould have been more if first two should won-who desreved it most.and the second one has produced more freedom fighters and some good indian cricketers and creative person(but not internatinally known).these two states are more inflential tan south or north etc.
i absolutely agree with sampan-i am not a bengali or from bengal but this stste has produced maximum intellectuals in india till today.maximum freedom fighters,literury genius-to name a few-tagore,arundhuti roy(booker prize winner),jhumpa lahiri(first indian ethnic to win pulitzer),ramon megasy winner literury genius-3 bengalis,indias national song writer bankimchandra and many more in english literature-to name a few nirad.c .chaudhuri.indias maximum classical and hindi playback singer is also from bengal.they shines in creative field.and some reknowed scientist,mathematician,economist etc. marathi activitist bg gokhle once said-what bengal thinks today,india thinks tomorrow.
I was surprised by your title.. I never expected it to say 'south indian'. I am a tamilian. I do not have the statistics, so i wouldn't know the veracity of the topic. And I don't intend on humiliating anyone here.
I'd just like to share one incident, which I'd like to share with you guys..
My friends and I were on a bike trip to Kasauli and stopped on the way to get a drink. We took off our helmets and were waiting to cross the road when an auto-rickshaw guy pulled over and asked where we wanted to go.. We were confused but it was hilarious. We were carrying our helmets with us when he asked and we even showed him! The knuckle head didn't get it and was swearing when we didn't reply! :D That's when my friend said that there are many such morons there.
I am not sure about the credibility of the sardarji jokes.. but such incidents do seem to lend credence.
I don't mean to be bragging but I do think that south indians are smart, i don't intend smartER.
Friends,I agree that South Indians are smart.But please don't underestimate the North as well as East Indians.I believe that Bengalis have achieved more in educational fields than that of the Tamilians and the rest.Satyendra Nath Bose,Jagdish Chandra Bose,Meghnad Saha etc.My state has given birth to greats like Rabindranath Tagore,Subhash Chandra Bose.Today,Indias's Finance Minister is Pranab Mukherjee.There are numerous Bengali Scientists at NASA.The first IIT was opened at Kharagpur.Amartya sen is also a Bengali.
Friends,I agree that South Indians are smart.But please don't underestimate the North as well as East Indians.I believe that Bengalis have achieved more in educational fields than that of the Tamilians and the rest.Satyendra Nath Bose,Jagdish Chandra Bose,Meghnad Saha etc.My state has given birth to greats like Rabindranath Tagore,Subhash Chandra Bose.Today,Indias's Finance Minister is Pranab Mukherjee.There are numerous Bengali Scientists at NASA.The first IIT was opened at Kharagpur.Amartya sen is also a Bengali.
I love to watch South Indian movies and I love South Indian Culture.I love Nagarjuna,Prabhas,Prakash Raj,Chiranjeevi and Rajinikanth.But being a Bengali,I can say that we are strong enough to compete and beat the South Indians on the basis of our mental strength.The greatest scientists and the philosophers were born in our state.But still I love South India!!!!Long Live India!!!!Long Live South India!!!Long Live Bengal!!!
Bengalis are of two kinds. The majority who are good ones and are pro South Indian. There is a microscopic minority of Bengalis who are Aryan Purists. They invariably are the "jees"- Chatterjee,Mukherjee-Banerjee. North Indian brahmin Pandits the Chattopadyaya-Mukhopadyaya-Bandhopadyaya become Chatterjee-Mukherjee-Banerjee in Bengal country. Bengalis are very smart alecks. They are as smart as South Indians. This is because during the reign of Vijaya Sena (1097 to 1160 C.E), brahmins from Tamil Nadu were brought to Bengal, who integrated themselves with the varendra barhmins and came to be known as Dakshinatya vaidika barahmins. Bengali brahmins share the same gene pool as South Indian Tamil Brahmins. That is why India's only Nobel Laureates are only Bengali and Tamil Brahmins. Bengalis respect South Indians it is only the recent migrants from North( the "jee" ) named Bengalis who are anti South Indian.
This is the way English guys divided the India and ruled. Divide and rule. Indians are smart...but they seems to be fool to fall in this trap and start fighting with each other on the basis of caste, religion, state, street....and name it. So grow up who all gave the comment on that South Indians are smarter than north Indian and vice-a-versa. Indians are smart.
wow... 6 paragraphs triggering 3yrs+ of hot-headed comments of one-up-manship...
i think a study of the comments would tell more on why somebody is smarter or not...
Loss of identity is always a bother that ousth indians face... recognition is sth that indians in general want to establish, reulting in such propaganda... (as with any pompous developing nation)
You may be right about South Indians being smart. I am a Martial Arts student. I visited the famed Shaolin Temple in China. I was shocked to hear that it was a Tamil speaking South Indian from the temple town of Kanchipuram who is said to have taught martial arts to the Shaolin monks. The South Indian Monk went by the name of Bodhidharma. Numerous Chinese historical sources authenticate his existence. He almost played the role similar to Nostradamus in the Chinese courts. Chinese legend has that this South Indian monk's mind was so disciplined and unfazed that he traveled the yellow river on a reed. All the manuscripts in Shaolin attribute the Art of martial arts to Bodhidharma.
Oh My God! This blog and the comments are so divisive. All Indians should remember that the Aryan/Dravidian divide, North/South divide were colonial constructs as part of the divide and rule policy. This blog explains why India is still a third world country - there is no unity, no patriotism, no loyalty towards countrymen. God help India!!
This so sad-- we are Indians. From the Sanskrit‘Drava’ means "flowing / watery" --southern India is surrounded by sea on three sides. The English word Dravidian was first employed by Robert Caldwell. This brought division-- so the colonials could rule India. The Dravidian race does not exist (it is only used in India)--genetic testing has proven all of India shares the same genetic lineage. I have seen very fair and tall Indians in the south like Kerala and very dark and short Indians from the norhern state of Punjab. Be proud of India's successes. Intelligence is seen when we are determined to succeed and that is what we as a people have done over centuries.
Being a South Indian I have seen all of India to me people of different parts of India are smart different areas. For e.g. Gujaratis/ people of west are smart in doing business and making money; Punjabis and Delhiites are stunningly smart in power politics and their great sense of dress, food and flamboyance; Bengalis smart in assertive nature, their arguments (calling a spade a spade without wasting words) and their fine tastes of culture and music; people of cow-belt are very smart in their survival skills, jugaad and innovation in the face of impossible difficulties; lastly Southerners are also smart in maths, engineering and are reliable as service staff (clerks, nurses, duty doctors, software writers), skills that require focus, precision and continuity. Lastly as a nation people from different regions of India just complement one another in skills and are complete only as a team. Any team with with the right combination could prove to be deadly one to the competitors!
Steve, I went through the 2011, California National Merit Semifinalists.
There are 133 Desis,
The Y-DNA breakdown is as follows
R1A ( Aryan gene ) = 122
L1 ( dravidian gene ) = 11
H1 ( backward caste North Indian / caribean Indian / gypsy ) = 0
Since H1 is the majority in North India, North India is more backward
Of this 133,
54 are South Indian brahmin
12 are North Indian brahmin
36 are North Indian merchants
4 are South Indian dravidian merchants
5 are North Indian scribes
There is 1 Tamil non-brahmin
heyy man just forget that south indians are smarter than north indians. u should focus that our india has ranked in global competition in intellligence
and our whole INDIA is intelligent
just we need to eradicate poverty
and set up an good adminstrator
how much stupid south indian are can be understood from their shameless stupid boasting.
historically bengal had produced best scientist,literature,physician,economist,musician.movie maker from entire asia.
satyendra bose,jc bose,rabindranath tagore,physician subhas mukherjee,sir ronald ross are all best in their own field in asia.
and how you can you forget satyajit roy or ravishankar?
in last 10 years out of 3 indian,2 bengali had won pulitzer prize including the youngest ever by jhumpa lahiri.
what does it matter if you are succeeded in other country using the resource of others?
bengalis had done all of their working in kolkata and produced all those luminaries-the trend goes from jc bose to dr subhas mukherjee-what rest of indian had done in their own states?
american are very much obsessed with indian immigration-and even in usa where bengalis are only 2.5 percent amongst indian diaspora and still they win most of those prestigious awards.
so steve,i hope you will agree with me on this aspect that producing genius in your own country is more important than using the resource of others.although no body had been able to produce the class of satyendra bose or jc bose even here in america?
and calcutta has more nobel,dscar,grammy than other city from entire asia.
steve,
i will add few more things with my previous post.the reason there are so many south indian engineers is because of huge number of private engineering colleges(mostly 3rd category)in south india.
in bengal there were not a single private engineering college till 2000.if bengalias are equal in number in usa,they will outperform all other indian communities added together.most of my classmates who are capable of getting any top us universities are working in india(only few of them have migrated and all of them are in top 20 national unversies including mit,princeton stanford etc.
if south indian are so smart then tell them to produce an engineer like amar bose or einstein of structural engineering bangladeshi fazlur khan or you tube co founder like jayed karim.
the fact of the matter is what bengal had done so far,all rest of india or south asia added together will take few more hundred years to match those geniuses.
in fact the first economist in the world who had been elected as fellow of royal society of britasin sir partha dasgupta is also bengali.there are tow heads of nasa are bengali compared to only one other person from rest of india.
steve,
rather than concentrating on your comments or the comments made by all those deluded fools from north and south,let's take a look what neutral people who ruled this country for hundred years say about india.
recently in england the only scientist from asia whose bust was created and being kept beside darwin and english poet milton is bengali polymath sir jc bose(christ college,cambridge university).in 2011 the only asian and probably only 3rd non british whose bust was created in street of london rabindranath tagore is also bengali.
10 years ago bbc made a survey of 20 greatest bengali-they did not make a survey of 20 greatest indian or south indian-why?because they know when british came renaissance happened only in bengal.
those tamil who are boasting for science nobel,they have forgotten that 2 of them had won with us nationality and cv raman won from kolkata-why he had to come in kolkata.
and look satyendra bose-father of 9 nobel prize winners-and most renowned physicist from asia in current world.the biggest research happened on higgs boson-the theory was laid out by satyendra bose.and in various ranking list he featutres in top 20 list.not a single tamil nobel prize winner even feature in top 100.
one of greatest science author and physicist lev landau made a list of physicist in logarithmic scale-the highest point was awarded to newton,einstein came at second,at 3rd place came historical giants like eugene wigner,satyendra bose and all fathers of quantum mechanics like bohr,schrodinger,heisenberg and dirac.
so enough said all you south indian-first you produce a class of sn bose or jc bose,then i will hear all your words.
beside the height of mont everest was calculated by bengali mathematician radhanath sikdar in the year 1852.similarly indus civilization was discovered by bengali historian rakhaldas banerjee.
and ar rahman is no way near to the class of ravishankar or his daughter norah jones.the beatles was influenced by ravishankar and norah had already won 9 grammy awards.
read what one of the greatest journalist of the current world jonathan power say about kolkata-oh!kolkata-the past and future!!
I accept your thought .. We are Indian. But you know lot of genius told that if anyone like to write a India history star from south. Otherwise no one shouldn't write true India history. We have original culture not a north India because north Indian people are not a true Indian they're mixed with aryan's .. This is history .
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