From the Guardian:
Political correctness not helping, says PM · Community leaders react angrily to comments
Patrick Wintour and Vikram Dodd
Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.
One accused him of misunderstanding the advice he had been given on the issue at a Downing Street summit.=
Black community leaders reacted after Mr Blair said the recent violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by pretending it is not young black kids doing it".
It needed to be addressed by a tailored counter-attack in the same way as football hooliganism was reined in by producing measures aimed at the specific problem, rather than general lawlessness.
Mr Blair's remarks are at odds with those of the Home Office minister Lady Scotland, who told the home affairs select committee last month that the disproportionate number of black youths in the criminal justice system was a function of their disproportionate poverty, and not to do with a distinctive black culture.
Giving the Callaghan lecture in Cardiff, the prime minister admitted he had been "lurching into total frankness" in the final weeks of his premiership. He called on black people to lead the fight against knife crime. He said that "the black community - the vast majority of whom in these communities are decent, law abiding people horrified at what is happening - need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids".
Mr Blair said he had been moved to make his controversial remarks after speaking to a black pastor of a London church at a Downing Street knife crime summit, who said: "When are we going to start saying this is a problem amongst a section of the black community and not, for reasons of political correctness, pretend that this is nothing to do with it?" Mr Blair said there needed to be an "intense police focus" on the minority of young black Britons behind the gun and knife attacks. The laws on knife and gun gangs needed to be toughened and the ringleaders "taken out of circulation".
I look forward to the Prime Minister's pilgrimage to the Al Sharpton radio show to beg for absolution.
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{ Mr Blair said there needed to be an "intense police focus" on the minority of young black Britons behind the gun and knife attacks. }
ReplyDeleteThis of course is almost 8 years after his government branded the police as 'institutionally racist' and severely curtailed their powers to stop and search people, particularly black people.
"Lady Scotland?" Is she married to Lord Northern Ireland?
ReplyDeletePerhaps she's Lady Scotland of Scotland Yard.
ReplyDeleteI guess as a lame duck he figures he can speak the truth. Where was his backbone 8 years ago
ReplyDeleteNot unlike what goes on in America. American Black leaders can rejoice in removing an old cowboy from the airwaves while silent on their community which roils in black-on-black crime.
ReplyDeleteHe still was laying on a plenty of B.S. to help the "truth medicine"go down a little smoother,when he started to go on about how the majority of blacks are fine ,decent people,its just an uhm,minority of the youths who are causing the trouble. Its a start. Yup. A community of fine,nice,decent,wonderful law-abidin' sweeties...marred by a few knife-weilding,gun-totin' nappy-headed ho's!
ReplyDeleteThere is a reason that women are more likely to ignore all indications that all people are not created equal!
ReplyDeleteIf it is true that different races have differing IQs (on average) and different propensities for bad behavior (on average) than what about differences between the sexes?
"...this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids".
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many of these victims are really "innocent", versus actually being a part of the whole gang and violence scene, just on the wrong end of it at the last.
I also wonder if the fact that this is nearly an exclusively black problem will result in changes in British immigration policy.
so blair and his liberal friends open the floodgates of immigration to Briton then wonder why crime is skyrocketing and finally realizes it was a mistake...now what?
ReplyDeleteWow. There's more freedom in England than there is here. Here, no prominent establishment figure, liberal or conservative, dare call a spade a spade.
ReplyDeleteengland deserves whatever it gets.
ReplyDeletethe english have done so many bad things to so many people for so long, literally centuries, that they could never be fully paid back for everything.
if they are merely losing their island, they are getting off easy.
even now, in 2007, with their "kingdom" reduced almost to nothing, they still think they deserve to control ireland.
I wonder about ulterior motives of those who only want to complain about bad things that muslims do.
ReplyDelete"No pressure, no conformity; the media pressures the white constituency into silence, and the white politicians have no incentive to act."
ReplyDeleteGenerally true, but I've sensed something different of late among white liberals. They're not as explicit as Blair, but many of them don't hold the same sentimental attitudes about blacks that they used to.
If you look at New Urbanism, which is both lily white and exquisitely progressive, its effects (if not its stated goals) are to make urban housing more expensive and fashionable - which often means getting rid of the poorer blacks who live there now.
The same with the current environmental faddism, which is almost entirely white and, when it gets what wants, has the effect of making housing, energy, and transportation more expensive - often to the detriment of the poor. Sure, there's lip service to "environmental racism", but that's usually just an obligatory throwaway line for your typical Sierra Club types.
And, regarding affirmative action, Steve and others have documented that it's not poor black Americans who are getting most of the choice minority slots at prestigious universities. It's the children of African and Carribean elites.
And the quickness and prominence with which most MSM outlets published the name of the Duke lacrosse accuser further indicates that the old narrative template of black victimization doesn't have the resonance it used to.
Blair's just the first one to say it - but I suspect that the attitude is probably more widespread than many of us think.
The Black community is about as ready to address its own gangsta problem as Swedes are open to discussing Scandinavian sexual mores, or Germans to discuss their compulsion for Bismarckian over-regulation.
ReplyDeleteAt some point one realizes that there is no "discussion" on these matters. People are who they are, and the best are those who don't disappear in a few generations.
Jody, Jody, Jody. Your post summarizes why the Irish are useless in the moral imperative to defend the white Christian West. The Irish are willing to lie in bed with anti-Westerners, and even champion their causes just to stick it to England.
ReplyDeleteI never said I think Bush has a spine. I think he is a worm. I would say Blair has more backbone than Bush. Now that he has said " intense police focus".God bless the Queen. Neal 4th generation Texan.
ReplyDelete"The Black community is about as ready to address its own gangsta problem as Swedes are open to discussing Scandinavian sexual mores, or Germans to discuss their compulsion for Bismarckian over-regulation.
ReplyDeleteAt some point one realizes that there is no "discussion" on these matters. People are who they are, and the best are those who don't disappear in a few generations."
That is golden!
My ulterior motives vis a vis Muslims is self-preservation.
Here's one of Britain's leading black intellectuals (no, honestly):
ReplyDeleteTrevor Phillips, Britain's high profile black politician and Greater London Authority chairman, is sceptical about the study [revealing high black self-esteem] but fears its implications: 'If true, it implies that the orthodoxy that blacks fail in school because of low self-esteem is not true. The tendency has been to blame black families for not giving black children confidence.
'You can conclude that either black children are essentially stupid, which I don't think is legitimate, or there's a lot more discrimination than we thought.'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,4025363-102285,00.html
Not legitimate. It might be true, but it's not legitimate all the same
"Your post summarizes why the Irish are useless in the moral imperative to defend the white Christian West."
ReplyDeletei have no idea what this means.
one thing i do know is that england has no business in ireland, just like it had no business in the dozen other nations it invaded over the last few hundred years.
the english sound like morons and hypocrites to me, complaining about foreigners in england. they have the least room to talk out of any people on earth. england is still, today, in 2007, occupying various lands that various locals don't want them to occupy.
maybe if they dissolved the united kingdom they would have the slightest bit of room to complain about foreigners ruining london. otherwise it's a basic case of turnabout being fair play. england will be muslim, and that sounds good to me.
It's unfortunately the same in Montreal, Toronto and maybe even Paris, in light of the recent train station events. As with in England, we have the usual community leaders imbeciles going on and on about various combinations of the following :
ReplyDelete"black youth are no more likely to be involved in this than other youth"
Sure, everyone knows that the media just hides the public shootings by jewish or chinese youths and they just publicize the ones by black youth, right ?
"why the media doesn't care when it's a black youth being killed and they care about a young white girl being killed ?"
I'say that if we take the media to represent "white, mainstream society" then they can be commended for caring about what happens to young white girls. Why are the black community leaders expecting strangers to care as much about black youth than about their own young ? Moreover, when mainstream media figures or politicians do express concern for black youth a part of society, they're rebuked and reminded that they're outsiders. As usual the impotent black community leaders want it both ways.
"black youth are turning to crime because of low self esteem and racism"
The low self esteem hypothesis looks debunked and it never made much sense to me even on a personal level. I just do not see that pervasive low self esteem among black people. As for racism , i think it can be defused or reinforced, depending on the behaviour of the group targeted by that racism. Guess what black youth are doing ? Hint : they're doing nothing to lessen racism.
Jody
ReplyDelete"england is still, today, in 2007, occupying various lands that various locals don't want them to occupy."
Would you be so kind as to name these various lands for me?
To be fair, you may mean the United Kingdom, which off the top of my head has 5 overseas territories in the Caribbean plus 2 in the Atlantic and one or two other desert islands in the Pacific and of course there is Gibraltar. As far as I am aware in all cases the locals do not want independence.
The only exception to this is Diego Garcia which is leased to the US Military, who it seems, do not want the locals to get it back.
Yes there are British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan but they are there because our American allies asked for British help.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if so, please name all the occupied territories that I am blissfully unaware of.
Salamirushdie about the self esteem thing honestly I think that the less intelligent that a person is the more that he thinks of himself but I have one son who is intelligent and does well in school but who is very uncoordinated and so does poorly in sports and I have another son who does poorly in school but does well in sports. One day a heard the intelligent son tell the other son that he would rather be better at sports than at school the other son nodded with pride. Evidently at least to my boys sports are more important than intelligence and this could be a contributing factor to blacks having higher self esteem.
ReplyDeleteI have heard that prisoners have high self esteem and why not they are in their own eyes some bad ass dudes.
Low self esteem may make you want to work hard. What good can come from high self esteem?
ireland and scotland do not want to be part of england and do not want the english to tell them what to do. several hundred years of nearly constant violent resistance contradicts anything any moron here says otherwise.
ReplyDeleteafter several centuries of getting killed, having their land taken, and all that good stuff, the majority figure it's just plain easier to let england run the show than resist anymore.
do american indians want europeans to tell them what to do? of course not. but they're outnumbered and beaten down after several hundred years of resisting. they go along with whatever the US tells them to do at this point. it's simply easier.
every nation that succesfully resisted the english are not part of their empire anymore, which is why it's small and weak now. should we list all the places that england invaded?
the english are idiots and hypocrites. if they lose their island it's no big deal. all that will happen is that they will know what imperialism is like.
That's all we need. A thick mick with a chip on his shoulder.
ReplyDeleteJody keep posting, plastic paddies are funny.
ReplyDeleteJody, keep posting then we can all have a laugh!
ReplyDeleteIreland is not ruled by England and hasnt been for over 80 years. Really, where do you get your information?
If Scotland wants to break away from England they are perfectly free to do so. They havnt voted for it yet. The demise of the UK is not here yet.
If anything its England that wants independence from Scotland. The aristocracy is heavily Scottish, so is the royal family. Many Prime Ministers for the last centuary have been Scottish or of Scottish descent.
Tony Blair is half Scottish. Gordon Brown who would replace him is Scottish. David Cameron, the Tory leader is of Scottish background. The leader of the Liberal Democrats is Scottish, as was the guy he replaced as leader. Blair replaced the deceased John Smith (Scottish) as leader of the Labour party.
There have been 19 PMs in Britain 1902-2007, of those, 7 were Scottish or of Scottish ancestry. Thats more than a third, out of a population who only make up @ 10% of the UK.
(not forgetting a Welsh PM, Lloyd Gorge and a half American - Churchill. The English dont get much of a look in really)
It's also fun to watch how a slav can worm his way into a WN leadership position while still maintaining his pan-slavic bonafides.
ReplyDeleteJews aren't the only whites with dual loyalites.
I have to confess that while I'm mostly German, the history of the English-speaking peoples is possibly the greatest story ever told. The rationality and pragmatism of the English world (at least until recent decades) has always impressed me relative to the nonsense that so enamors continental Europeans.
ReplyDeleteJody — yours are truly the stupidest opinions ever expressed in Steve's comments section. You clearly have not the faintest idea of English history, and I wonder what you possibly *could* know about given your woeful ignorance of this topic. Go back to school, and leave the grown ups to discuss the decline of the only true ally America has ever had.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 4/14/2007 12:14 AM
ReplyDeleteWhat makes you think that Svi is of Slavic origin? His name?
Well guess what - my real name isnt 'Anonymous' and Im willing to bet yours isnt either.
wonder about ulterior motives of those who only want to complain about bad things that muslims do.
ReplyDeleteMy ulterior motive is: I despise Islam.
Hey,"David Hume" why dont you lighten upa little on the anti-Irish screed,uhm-kay? Yes,britain is our ally,as are the other English speaking countries--(and we might be better off if we focused on an English speaking nation trade partnership,and less on enriching China)--but they did do a few bad things to the Irish,as you might have heard;or maybe you were absent that day! PS: And really..."David Hume" as a moniker? A little pretentious there,arent we,son? :)
ReplyDeleteDear Josh
ReplyDeleteSorry that you don't understand the difference between reading and reading-into-whatever-the-hell-your-fervid-imagination-come-up-with. Take a look back at what I wrote and you will find no mention of the Irish at all. Nothing. Nada.
Sorry that your life skills are so poor, man, and wish I could help.
All of these people piling on jody- are you serious? The English colonized Ireland. They stole the land from the native Irish and gave it to non-Irish. They imposed the Penal Laws on Catholics (the vast majority of native Irish) which kept them from owning land, receiving education, etc. Why wouldn't native Irish hold a grudge against the English? I assumed readers of Steve Sailer would not be so ignorant of history.
ReplyDeleteThe English colonization of Ireland was more brutal than what happened to the Native Americans in the US.
why hasn't this story been covered at all in the main stream media? the story about the german army is all over the place
ReplyDeleteOMG — the insanity of the American Irish is beyond belief.
ReplyDeleteLet's agree that the English rule in Ireland was not a happy one and that Cromwell's army committed atrocities against the native population. Does that make you happy? Can we now return to the topic at hand?
Now here is something for you to consider: warfare in Ireland, between the Irish, was always a brutal affair. What the Irish did to one another was far worse than what Cromwell did. But because the level of brutality and bestiality was far greater (remember the phrase "beyond the pale"), an invading army was almost forced to change its tactics accordingly. Subduing a native population, and bringing some measure of order and stability means acting so that the population takes notice. If the Irish had not been continually fomenting, backing, and providing a launching point for a Catholic takeover of England the English would have left them alone to a large extent.
Now Joshrandall I have given the "screed" that you mistakenly thought I had given earlier. Maybe you have the second sight!
I'm sure we can now look forward to a tedious thread devoted to the Oirish resentment of the English — the most boring white people on the planet shaking their little potato fists at the most intellectually productive.
"David Hume," go fuck yourself.
ReplyDeleteRight back at you, Anonymous. Go learn something.
ReplyDeleteDavid Hume is right: the Irish are the middle-Easterners of whites: when anything happens to them it is never their fault, it is all 'an unprovoked attack on us poor wee folk who never harmed a soul in our lives'. The Irish complain about the British in the way that Iraqi Sunnis complain about the American occupying forces: as though they did nothing to deserve it. Ironically, this Irish whining view of history seems to have much less popularity in Ireland than it has in Boston or New York or Sydney, so perhaps it has something to do with trying to defuse the tension of not living in the country you claim to love SO ( —Oh SO! —) much.
ReplyDelete— fsa
Aye, 'tis true, the poor wee Oirish did never hurt so much as a fly, to be sure.
ReplyDeleteExcept of course, the Oirish Scoti tribe who invaded Scotland from Ireland and gave that country its name. They wiped out the indigenous people of Scotland, the Picts, they did to be sure. Genocide it twas, to be sure.
And there was the sad case of St Patrick, stolen from his Welsh homeland by Oirish raiders and sold into slavery. Poor wee lad.
Aye.
And then there was the Oirish colonialists who invaded and colonised Pembrokeshire. Effigies of the ancestors/relatives of that great Oirishman Sir Terence Wogan can still be seen in St Davids Cathedral. Tis' funny to think of Terry Wogan as a descendent of oppressors of the Welsh, it is, to be sure.
For the poor wee peace loving Oirish are all descended from Peace loving Elves and Pixies. They are, to be sure.