You can imagine how the Mainstream Media was itching to start typing denunciations of hate-filled white male anti-immigration rednecks when the news came in today that 13 people had been shot dead at an immigration center.
Just like JFK's assassination set off the 1960s triumph of the Left because of the media's instant assumption that some rightwing redneck in Dallas had done it. (It eventually turned out that the shooter had defected to the Soviet Union, where he met his wife, who was then living with her uncle, a colonel in the secret police, but who remembers that?)
Well, it turns out that today's shooter was named Jiverly Voong. So, it's just another immigrant mass murder story that will disappear down the memory hole after some ritual calls for gun control. The VDARE.com blog has the details.
Just like JFK's assassination set off the 1960s triumph of the Left because of the media's instant assumption that some rightwing redneck in Dallas had done it. (It eventually turned out that the shooter had defected to the Soviet Union, where he met his wife, who was then living with her uncle, a colonel in the secret police, but who remembers that?)
Well, it turns out that today's shooter was named Jiverly Voong. So, it's just another immigrant mass murder story that will disappear down the memory hole after some ritual calls for gun control. The VDARE.com blog has the details.
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More bad news: When the authorities think someone might pose a threat, they really don't have techniques for diffusing anger other than an unofficial program of goading and harassment. It seems that though the constitution can be suspended for all practical purposes there are some ridiculously counterproductive rules that the powers that be do seem to follow.
ReplyDeleteBTW, has anyone else noticed that most of these incidents happen in the eastern states?
typical reaction, looking for an approved villain
ReplyDeleteThe totally horrific violent crime rates of Vietnamese living in this country fill me with absolute daily terror!
ReplyDeleteAnd this massacre is the worst in America since the case a few months ago when that Mexican immigrant in Los Angeles dressed up in a Santa Claus suit and slaughtered an entire Anglo extended family gathered for their annual Christmas dinner...
Face it Steve, you were secretly fearing that it was a redneck white guy. Whenever this happens every race huddles around whispering "hope he's not from my tribe 'cause then I'll be tarred by association."
ReplyDeleteSteve, you know we're tight, but ac nailed you there.
ReplyDeleteYou been strangely silent during last FOUR mass shooting in March!
And this massacre is the worst in America since the case a few months ago when that Mexican immigrant in Los Angeles dressed up in a Santa Claus
ReplyDeleteNo, that was some pissed off white dude shooting up his former Mexican American wife.
Yes, of course everyone on the restrictionist -- or even anti-illegal, side was fearing it was some loose cannon white guy whose browser's search history would reveal frequent visits to vdare or lou dobbs (if he has a site). That would be grist for La Raza's mill, calls for an end to hate speech etc. After all, Peter Brimelow describes how the reception to Alien Nation was fairly good until the Oklahoma bombing created the whole 'white wing' neo-nazi meme . This would be history repeating itself.
ReplyDeleteAs it is, I quite expect there will be stories about in the next few days or weeks about how some immigration issue drove this man to kill, maybe frustration with his paperwork or inability to get a relative a visa. Somehow, this will be turned into an excuse to call for some sort of relaxation of immigration controls.
You been strangely silent during last FOUR mass shooting in March!
ReplyDelete"You been"? You know what they say. You can take the negro out of the hood...
And it's perfectly reasonable to focus more on outgroup criminality. Unless you decide to go live out in the woods by yourself, there will always be a criminal element that you have to deal with. Crimes committed by members of your own tribe are just a fact of life.
But we don't *have* to live amongst the Vietnamese, and it's reasonable to discuss whether or not we should want to.
That's where the point of Steve's post comes in. I read the NY Daily News' account of the shooting this morning as it was ongoing. The article failed to mention that the suspect was Asian, so the comments section of the article was filled with denunciations of "suburban gun nuts" and "immigrant fearing rednecks". One poster even compared conservatives to Al-Qaeda.
I've often wondered why it is that these mass shooters are almost always either white or Asian.
ReplyDelete(In other words, the two racial groups that have the lowest overall violent crime rates also produce the highest number of mass shooters.)
There have been several black people who were involved in mass shootings of this type (the guy on the Long Island Railroad, and the guy who shot up the city council meeting in Missouri) but very few compared to whites and Asians.
I can't think of any Latinos involved in mass shootings like this.
Is that you Truth?
ReplyDeleteYou just got back from visiting John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo in the houghsgow?
Patrick is correct and incorrect.
ReplyDeleteMass murders take some planning.
Something Hispanics don't excel at.
But you overlooked the mass murder in Los Angeles involving a Metrolink train. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendale_train_crash This crash was more opportunistic.
Have you forgotten the Muslim shooter in the Salt Lake City mall?
Virginia Tech?
Immigration aggravates social tensions.
Bowling alone becomes something more than an academic exercise, especially with the economy in a free fall.
I think there will be a number of copycats of the Binghamton incident.
Folks are desperate. And there is not the social cohesion, much less the self-restraint, that existed during the Great Depression.
I live in the D.C. area, and I remember the Beltway sniper shootings back in 2002. The cable shows were filled with "experts" who were perfectly convinced that the shooter would be a redneck who was in to something called the "sniper subculture." They were all primed for some cracker-hatin'. Of course, once the murderers turned out to be a black guy named Muhammad and an immigrant teen, the subject of their origins and motivations suddenly lost relevance.
ReplyDeleteI've often wondered why it is that these mass shooters are almost always either white or Asian.
ReplyDelete(In other words, the two racial groups that have the lowest overall violent crime rates also produce the highest number of mass shooters.)
Actually, I doubt there's much if any white over-representation in these sort of mass-shootings. But since whites are the bulk of the American population, they tend to commit a good fraction of mass shootings.
On the other hand, East Asian over-representation seems absolutely gigantic, given that they're just 3% or whatever of the American population.
I'd strongly suspect it's the "repressed" nature of much East Asian culture, exactly the same factor that contributes to the very low overall Asian crime rates. When they snap, they snap hard!
It's also interesting that a remarkable fraction of the world's greatest mass-killing rampages have occurred in South Korea and (I think) Japan.
The insignificant fact that the murderer was himself a Vietnamese immigrant won' stop the media from turning this into an anti-immigrant rampage. I am not joking. I just heard a reporter say, "We can only hope this was not motivated by anti-immigrant rage."
ReplyDeleteLike I said, I am not joking.
Southeast Asia has a whole cultural tradition of "running amok." It's considered a natural reaction to various social stresses. Most villages have municipal equipment for subduing men who are running amok, such as long poles with lassos on them.
ReplyDeleteToo bad nobody had a big pole with a rope on it to subdue Joe Cassano.
"Binghamton is proud of its diversity." Another reporter.
ReplyDeleteI heard that cops were negotiating for 4 hours with the maniac because they needed a Vietnamese interpreter.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that most of these incidents happen in the eastern states?
ReplyDeleteDo they? I'm willing to bet California leads the nation in mass homicides, if anyone wants to tally those grisly stats.
Malays run amok, not SE Asians in general.
ReplyDeleteCheck out the story of Chai Soua Vang, a Hmog, who shot six deer hunters in Wisconsin more than 5 years ago. see here: http://tinyurl.com/dhbppm
ReplyDeleteI wasn't thinking of Muhammad and Malvo. They were more serial killers than mass shooters of the postal/school shooting type.
ReplyDeleteAnd I forgot about the Metrolink crash (because it wasn't a shooting.)
And RKU is right about similar incidents happening in China, Japan and South Korea. The worst happened in South Korea.
"You been"? You know what they say. You can take the negro out of the hood..."
ReplyDelete"Negros" don't wear hoods, we wear "hoodies" hoods are worn by old white guys in Mississippi.
"You just got back from visiting John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo in the houghsgow?"
That did happen in my lifetime didn't it? I almost forgot it was so long ago.
"Something Hispanics don't excel at."
ReplyDeleteTyler, TX around 4 years ago, middle aged Hispanic male went on a rampage starting at the court house. He was armed to the gills and wearing a bullet proof vest. I can't remember the numbers though I'm pretty sure it was over his divorce. I think he had a military background.
"Folks are desperate. And there is not the social cohesion, much less the self-restraint, that existed during the Great Depression."
Don't forget the deliberate profiling stupidity; Only whites will be targeted. Everyone else will be offered appeasements so they won't turn on their evil white oppressors. Otherwise, the response will be after the fact so maybe we should all invest in bullet proof vests.
Of note: the local Episcopal high school has managed to find an award for what is probably a Vietnamese student and posted his/her name on the neon marquis for the weekend, wasn't there this morning. LOL. Nothing is worse than racism, NOTHING.
Steve-
ReplyDeleteOff topic, but it looks like Mexico's kidnapping fad has crossed the border.
Planetary Archon Mouse
Am I right in thinking that, that all these immigrants will turn the US into the kind of country they left behind?
ReplyDeleteThat,say, the Mexican areas of the US will become what Mexico is today?
LOL. did somebody just argue that mestizos are not good at massacres?
ReplyDeleteanybody been to mexico? and i'm not talking about the tourist areas. people carry FN FALs and AR-15s openly.
mexicans are so good at massacres that the secretary of homeland security, as well as the attorney general, are actually concerned about it.
can't have those precious mexicans killing each other. we need them to live, so they can vote democrat.
Malays do not run amok!
ReplyDeleteI do.
Signed
The Mayor of Amok
ac said: Face it Steve, you were secretly fearing that it was a redneck white guy.
ReplyDeleteMy first thought was that the shooter was probably an East Asian (Chinese or Korean, not Japanese). Seemed like an East Asian reaction (a *disturbed* East Asian reaction, obviously). Then, when I saw the name I thought maybe that was a Hmong name (what do I know from Hmong names?).
So the guy was SE Asian. Pretty close.
It never occurred to me that it was a white or black or Hispanic or even South Asian guy. Too out of character.
kerdasi amaq said...
ReplyDeleteAm I right in thinking that, that all these immigrants will turn the US into the kind of country they left behind?
YES, obviously. That's the problem. Are you new here? Nice to meet you.
AC and Truth, here's the thing: If the shooter had been the desired racist angry white male, this would have been used as an excuse to further restrict the gun-ownership and free-speech rights of all white males. The fact that it was a an immigrant will not (except among those of us on the fringe) be taken as a reason to reduce immigration.
An example: 9/11 could easily have been used as a reason to reduce Arab immigration to this country. 80%+ of Americans would have supported this. No such thing happened, of course.
You can imagine how the Mainstream Media was itching to start typing denunciations of hate-filled white male anti-immigration rednecks when the news came in today that 13 people had been shot dead at an immigration center.
ReplyDeleteYou are so right. I knew immediately, from the length of the news report, that they were salivating over discovering a disillusioned "white supremacist." Nothing excites the white media more than the opportunity to dump on whites.
Somehow, this will be turned into an excuse to call for some sort of relaxation of immigration controls.
As well as a call for greater multi-language facility among Americans in general. Along with Spanish, will we next have to learn Vietnamese?
Crimes committed by members of your own tribe are just a fact of life.
This is true, especially among blacks. Blacks can no longer even feign shock at the next atrocity, being well aware of the daily ones that never get reported by the mainstream media.
Don't forget the deliberate profiling stupidity; Only whites will be targeted. Everyone else will be offered appeasements so they won't turn on their evil white oppressors.
Yes, it's this fear of retaliation from the coloreds that prompts an immediate response to "understand" their grievances, as opposed to simply kicking the crap out of the white troublemakers.
Roger Chaillet: ...Mass murders take some planning. Something Hispanics don't excel at...
ReplyDeleteRKU: On the other hand, East Asian over-representation seems absolutely gigantic, given that they're just 3% or whatever of the American population.
A couple of years ago, La Griffe du Lion wrote a piece about why you would expect this to be the case:
WHY MOST SERIAL KILLERS ARE WHITE MEN
Volume 9 Number 2; May 2007
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm
To be a serial killer, you have to be way out at the far end of the criminality bell curve, but the black & hispanic bell curves are strongly clustered around their means and fall off much more rapidly than does the Caucasian bell curve.
Which, in some perverted way, is probably related to IQ, and that, in turn, would help to explain the Asian phenomenon [e.g. this guy in Binghamton and the Hmong deer hunter in Wisconsin].
Bottom line - in general, the blacks & the hispanics just aren't intelligent enough to be an Ernst Blofeld or a Hannibal Lecter.
Or a Bolshevik, for that matter.
PS: The thing that's disturbing about the case of John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo is that the "planning" was done for them in the form of the Koran and the Hadith.
PPS: This is one of the reasons that I'm not all that worried about Obama's totalitarian proclivities [his obeisance to the King of Saudi Arabia notwithstanding] - the guy just isn't smart enough to pull off the really evil stuff.
With Obama, we'll get Mugabe-esque levels of incompetence, but we won't get the systematized monstrosity of the Bolsheviks [unless Axelrod & Soros & their ilk start calling the shots].
"Am I right in thinking that, that all these immigrants will turn the US into the kind of country they left behind?
ReplyDelete"That,say, the Mexican areas of the US will become what Mexico is today?"
Yes, you are right in thinking that. There already *are* many communities and large parts of other communites that look like villages in Mexico.
Come to California if you want to see this in action. You will pass, going in the opposite direction, those Baby Boomers who are recently retired and on their way OUTTA HERE. We are thinking about joining their ranks.
The whole thing is totally out of control and it pisses me off that the idiots who make the policies and those who are their ardent supporters live ensconsed in gated communities or in counties in which only the very rich or affluent can afford, like say, Marin County.
Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer--all from the SF Bay Area, all from the most affluent areas of it too. They never really see how their policies affect the average Joe and Jane.
Hell, they don't even stick around their home towns or nearby rich bastions long enough to see the annual Sadomasochism Fair in SF or the Gay Pride Parade, both of which grow in numbers every year and both of which celebrate and promote, not the rights of gay people, but pure weirdness couched in "gay rights."
What we fear most right now is that those fleeing Michigan will flood CA to seek easy welfare, as if we don't have enough problems with our budget.
So, yeah, want to see illegal immigration run amok, weirdness of all kinds celebrated? Buy your ticket to CA but be sure it's a round-tripper.
What we fear most right now is that those fleeing Michigan will flood CA to seek easy welfare, as if we don't have enough problems with our budget.
I'm not certain that the dissolution of America isn't already well underway. Only this morning another story of a mass shooting, this one in Pittsburgh killing 3 cops and wounding 5 more.
ReplyDeleteEssentially to have a multicult society you have to start crossing out lines from the bill of rights and that's exactly what is happening.
We have for several decades now lived in a country where the government's non-constitutional "obligation" to fight discrimination have superceded rights explicitly guaranteed by the Constitution. Even conservatives seldom dare challenge that change. The Constitution is a dead letter.
Am I right in thinking that, that all these immigrants will turn the US into the kind of country they left behind? That,say, the Mexican areas of the US will become what Mexico is today?
What, dare to suggest that people shape a nation more than it's geography? Why, everyone knows that white Australia and New Zealand are just like the Aborginal and Maori Australia and New Zealand that preceded them.
kerdasi amaq, obviously you need to be shipped off to a reeducation camp.
ReplyDeleteAnd as for the rest of you: all of the Sailerites will be gulag-ed in the North America District of the NWO.
A future of Total Information Awareness has been meticulously planned and its fruition is right around the corner.
Roger Chaillet:
ReplyDelete"Have you forgotten the Muslim shooter in the Salt Lake City mall?"
Just a quibble, but he was a Bosnian, and thus, like it or not, he was white. Hell, look at the guy. That's no 'person of color'.
UH OH!
ReplyDeleteA white guy in riot gear just shot up some cops in Pittsburgh (Unless it was a black guy named Poplowski).
Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer--all from the SF Bay Area, all from the most affluent areas of it too. They never really see how their policies affect the average Joe and Jane.
ReplyDeleteBecause their goal isn't to help the average Joe and Jane, but to keep them on their toes, too worried about their own precarious financial situations to grasp the big picture. The elite need middle class whites and Asians because they're the only two groups in this country that create wealth they can steal. They need to enable blacks and hispanics to harrass the average Joes and Janes, so that they never threaten the elite's power. Illegal immigration, forced busing, affirmative action, Section 8 vouchers, you name it - all tools in the toolbox.
"If the shooter had been the desired racist angry white male, this would have been used as an excuse to further restrict the gun-ownership and free-speech rights of all white males."
ReplyDeleteThey can do that without restricting the rights to gun-ownership of everyone else? We must have skipped over that page of the Bill of Rights in the 6th grade.
"I'm not certain that the dissolution of America isn't already well underway. Only this morning another story of a mass shooting, this one in Pittsburgh killing 3 cops and wounding 5 more."
ReplyDelete"Dissolution of America" huh? Funny, no mention of the race of the shooter here. You must be one of those liberal journalists.
"Bottom line - in general, the blacks & the hispanics just aren't intelligent enough to be an Ernst Blofeld or a Hannibal Lecter."
Yes, it takes a certified genius to kidnap little boys off the street, cook them and have them for dinner.
"Which, in some perverted way, is probably related to IQ, and that, in turn, would help to explain the Asian phenomenon [e.g. this guy in Binghamton and the Hmong deer hunter in Wisconsin]."
Yup, those brilliant Hmong; I understand his hobby was building an atom particle smasher in his backyard.
"PS: The thing that's disturbing about the case of John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo is that the "planning" was done for them in the form of the Koran and the Hadith."
Really, I didn't think they had automatic weapons during the prophet Muhammad's era.
"PPS: This is one of the reasons that I'm not all that worried about Obama's totalitarian proclivities [his obeisance to the King of Saudi Arabia notwithstanding] - the guy just isn't smart enough to pull off the really evil stuff."
PPPS: He isn't smart enough to pull off the really evil stuff, but he is smart enough to become the "most powerful man in the world."
You, on the other hand, spend your time on a website trying to convince people about sexy flautists you slept with in the 9th grade.
Actually there was a lot of shooting during the Depression era in America.
ReplyDeleteRecall the the '30's were the 'golden age' (if you can call it that) of the violent bank robber gangs. Bonnie and Clyde, Pretty Boy Floyd, Ma Barker, John Dillinger, Baby Face Nelson,and more.
Of course in those days you apparently shot people for money and fame
ac - Face it Steve, you were secretly fearing that it was a redneck white guy. Whenever this happens every race huddles around whispering "hope he's not from my tribe 'cause then I'll be tarred by association."
ReplyDeleteTruth - You been strangely silent during last FOUR mass shooting in March!
Evidence of the fallacy that if a non-white killer goes on the rampage a white one hangs up his boots and stays home. ie there is some natural rate of mass murder and if a Chinese guy commits one then a white guy doesnt.
No.
Lets assume we would have had those four shootings anyway but this Chinese/Vietnamese thing would not have happened if he had been back home. His killing spree is a bonus derived via the immigration process.
That's right Truth, according to La Griffe, white guys have about half the chance of being serial killers that your people do.
ReplyDeleteIntimidated?
Jun and Lucius,
ReplyDeleteComing from Wisconsin, home of - yes, that homicidal rampage that killed 6 people and wounded 3 others - the majority of the 300,000-500,000 Hmongs that the United States has imported, my first thought was, "He's either a redneck white dude and Eric Holder will be on the air in an hour calling for gun confiscation, or he's a Southeast Asian, probably Hmong, dude."
“There have been few studies of the race and ethnicity of serial killers, but the handful that have been done suggest that black serial killers occur in roughly equal — or even slightly greater — proportion to the number of blacks in the population. These studies estimate that between 13 and 22 percent of American serial killers are black. ”
ReplyDeletehttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9503E1DD173FF93BA15753C1A9649C8B63&sec;=&spon;=&pagewanted=2
"That's right Truth, according to La Griffe, white guys have about half the chance of being serial killers that your people do.
ReplyDeleteIntimidated?"
I-I'm s-so i-in-intimidated, I c-can b-barely w-write this e-entry!
b-but according t-to L-Lucius sih-sih-sih-synopsis , he is s-saying, j-just the o-opposite!
"Have you forgotten the Muslim shooter in the Salt Lake City mall?"
ReplyDeleteHe was a white man from Bosnia wasn't he? Bosnian Muslims are white people no?
"Which, in some perverted way, is probably related to IQ, and that, in turn, would help to explain the Asian phenomenon [e.g. this guy in Binghamton and the Hmong deer hunter in Wisconsin]."
ReplyDeleteNeither Hmong nor Southeast Asians in general have high mean IQs. Many Southeast Asians in my neck of the woods are in gangs and aren't stellar academic performers.
"PS: The thing that's disturbing about the case of John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo is that the 'planning' was done for them in the form of the Koran and the Hadith."
How are the Koran and Hadith substitutes for actually mentally planning serial killings? How does that work? Could it not be the case that the two were of average or above average intelligence?
Thanks everyone, you've confirmed my worst fears. I suppose the liberal mass-immigrationists(let them all come, regardless of the consequences) don't read this blog.
ReplyDeleteHell, they don't even stick around their home towns or nearby rich bastions long enough to see the annual Sadomasochism Fair in SF or the Gay Pride Parade, both of which grow in numbers every year and both of which celebrate and promote, not the rights of gay people, but pure weirdness couched in "gay rights."
ReplyDeleteOK, you have a point about using gay rights, or any sort of rights, as a cover for an agenda. But there is such a thing as constructive (or at least non-destructive) weirdness. When was the last time an S&M freak went on a shooting spree?
It is often the straights, and the hyper-militant straights at that, that commit such massacres. Not the open, honest, type of weirdos.
The story is about a sicko who snapped. The only interesting thing is the spin the media may put on it, and the fact that more Asians seem to be represented among the ranks of mad shooters. Immigration? The more people move here, the more violence we'll have.
ReplyDeleteSuspicious that so many shooting are happening. The Poplowski shooting is being linked to support for the First and Second Amendments.
"How are the Koran and Hadith substitutes for actually mentally planning serial killings? How does that work? Could it not be the case that the two were of average or above average intelligence?"
ReplyDeleteGood point....I think Malvo had a Doctorate in Particle Physics
Patrick:
ReplyDeleteA number of factors combine to assure that mass (and serial) murderers are white many more times than of any other group.
But none of those factors has anything to do with predisposition to murder anyone, let alone many.
The plain fact is that, other characteristics being generally similar, a black man is at least twice as likely as a white man (and maybe even more--3 X, 4 X, perhaps, though that isn't clear) to kill, whether one person or several. Keep in mind that, although we're talking about several different types of offender (what we call a "serial" killer is different from a mass killer, etc), the initial qualifier is the low bar of killing at least one (you can't get to kill two or more without killing one in the process) and here, blacks have a many-times-greater "advantage." Some things to consider: it generally involves more planning to carry out and get away with more than the single killing, leading to disqualifying the lower-abled among both populations. But blacks, starting off at about only one sixth of the white population, are further whittled down (in likelihood) by
having a far greater proportion of their population in the below-the-cognitive-cut-off-point for multiple murdererhood.