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In the long run, does appeasement ever work?
Here's a question: why are the US mobs not completely apeshit everywhere?
Answer: 2nd Amendment.
Gilbert P.
I don't think this can be pinned on Obama in particular. He's just another culturally elite WASP by birth and upbringing with a late-found multicult cover story.
Black flash mobs are just a natural result of PC wending its way through our institutions, including the police force.
Since the riots in the 60s, politicians have increasingly neutred cops to the point where they have orders to stand by idlely while cities burn and citizens get cinderblocks smashed on their heads a la Rodney King roits.
The elite long term strategy seems instead to be to disperse inner city blacks to the cheaper rural interiors. Tear down Cabrini Greens, let the market price blacks out of SF and let Hispanics flood into South Central and displace blacks.
I have been asking the same question.
Where is the outrage!?
Why do we excuse poor behavior when it comes from blacks?
Steve,
When I first started SBPDL, this was one of the first stories of organized mass Black violence I encountered.
http://www.ohio.com/news/akron-police-investigate-teen-mob-attack-on-family-1.142665
It's from July 4th, 2009, where a white family was attacked by 50+ Black people in Akron, Ohio who were chanting "This is a Black world."
These Mahogany Mobs have only gotten more brazen since then, showing that like South Africa, once a Black person is put in the supreme position of power, all Blacks believe their actions will be protected... even encouraged.
i think this is coming from high up top - Remember Eric Holder said he would not prosecute blacks for hate crimes, several whistle blowers who left said he wasn't going to pursue any cases against minorities as 'payback'
He sent a clear message out by dropping the black panthers case.
Obama publicly chastised a white police officer for arresting Gates.
There have been plenty of obvious 'hate crime' cases in municipalities across the country - and departments as diverse as NYPD and local iowa sheriffs did not pursue hate crime charges.
out seattle the cheif of police went as far as to say he wasn't going to arrest blacks for minor crimes... and received widespread liberal praise.
Lastly the media has ignored it but still goes into a frenzy about white college students tossing cotton balls around on campus.
In order to stop/prevent these crimes liberals have to let go of a lot of cherished ideology.. you think that's going happen???
The way it's played out in Africa is that the tribe that gets its leader in power gets to literally stomp on the out tribes, something that's been done since records started being kept. I'm kind of surprised that these liberals are surprised. And these ignoramuses call conservatives ignorant?
"Why are some African American youths using Twitter to form flash mobs to loot stores? Why are some playing 'knockout king' using, among others, white liberal bloggers' heads as punching bags?
My assumption would be: because they can."
And because it's their idea of a good time.
..."because they can"
Surely you mean YES THEY CAN!
Drudge is linking to a feature on the Fox News website: Questions Arise Over Whether 'Flash Mob' Attacks in U.S. Cities Motivated by Race
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/10/flashmob-attacks-in-us-cities-raise-questions-over-possible-race-motivation>
Philadelphi's deputy police commisioner, Richard Ross, who is black, says we can't convict black flash mobsters for beating up whitey because there is no clear evidence the crimes are racially motivated. (Never mind that it's only blacks mobs lynching whites).
'while some witness accounts suggest the attacks are race-based, law enforcement officials say they have no evidence to prove it.
There was “no confession or anything else” to suggest the July 29 attacks in Philadelphia were “racially motivated,” Philadelphia Police Department First Deputy Commissioner Richard Ross told FoxNews.com.
"You can’t just simply look at the race of the offender and the race of the victim and say it’s ethnic intimidation. It may be, but we’re not sure. Does it give us pause? Yes it does,” Ross said.
Without a confession, a witness account or some epithet overheard by the victim, no charges will be filed related to ethnic intimidation or a hate crime, Ross said.'
Yeah, but if blacks stomp on some white guys head enough times it seems unlikely he will remember them saying "Get whitey, he bleeds real nice."
Wasn't voting for Obama supposed to stop this kind of thing?
Actually no. Groupthink ..... "We're number one!" ... You can't do shit to us. Nah-nah na nah-nah!
"They ask: Wasn't voting for Obama supposed to stop this kind of thing?
The answer should be, no, electing Obama was at least part of what started it. Were there violent "flash mobs" before Obama? I don't remember any. The phenomenon certainly has something to do with the technological means by which they are summoned, which didn't exist until recently - but mightn't it also have a connection with the empowerment that young underclass blacks must feel at having a black man in the White House? Obama's attorney-general, Eric Holder, dismissed the voter-intimidation case against the self-styled Black Panthers in Philadelphia, giving a clear signal that the administration would turn a blind eye toward black thuggery against racial and class enemies.
Political violence against whites has been widely tolerated, and in some cases overtly encouraged, by black rulers in Africa, e.g., in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Isn't it curious that Obama has taken no public notice of the flash mob phenomenon? Could it be that he tacitly approves? His silence and inaction are in striking contrast to David Cameron's prompt response to similar violence in England.
To use Sarah Palins phrase "betchya".. that a lot of liberals wish mccain had been elected, then they could be blaming all this behavior or republicans cutting budgets, etc as the lefties in the UK are desperately trying to do now.
Congratulation’s Steve. I was wondering how long it would be before someone made a link between Obama and these roving packs of raceless youths. He could appeal directly to young black men as a fellow brotha but that would kill his Presidency. He can also try and blame whites but this is no longer 1968 or even 1998. Either way he is cooked.
In case some of you are puzzled as to causes: one need only surf the net or turn on conservative talk radio to be informed. According to my sources, the cause of black rioting is.........those liberals again.
You see, liberals have taught the tabula rasa blacks bad values. Yes, put a bad value in a black's head and he'll soon be rampaging.
Conversely, if the conservatives place good values in black brains, they will chill almost immediately.
Darn liberals.
Now Stephen, once agian you are holding black people to a much higher standard than 'your own':
Since when did voting for ANY president result in ANY large-scale social change?
There poor rednecks in this country in 1955, 1965 and 1975, and Dutch's 'pull yourself by the bootstraps' presidency did not make one ounce of difference. There are still LOTS of poor white folks on the dole.
i've gotta agree with u steve. blacks are street wise, if you give them an opportunity they take it and laugh at you if you expected them to be restrained.
No, YOUTH flash mobs. You see, it's Eskimo-American kids who are going around beating up people.
Wisconsin police said the state affair attacks were not racial since blacks fought with other blacks too.
Great logic. I suppose what Nazis did wasn't antisemitic since they killed a lot of Christians too.
I think liberals wanted blacks to get the message of 'if we act nice and stay in school, white folks will accept us like Obama and help us' with the election of Obama.
But I think many among the black underclass got the message, 'a black dude is president? we got the POWER!!'
Mandela and South Africa redux.
THis is justified payback for the brutality of slavery.
"Surely you mean YES THEY CAN!"
Surely you mean, "Yes, WE CAN." Now, where have I heard that before?
I think it's kinda like this:
Housing projects were torn down and black folks were dispersed throughout the city and suburbs. Initially, blacks felt disoriented in new surroundings and cut off from old connections. Since they were outnumbered by whites and isolated from other blacks(and mixed in with new blacks), they were less likely to indulge in crime... at least for awhile.
But as time passed...
1. Blacks realized that white folks(even as majority in the communities)were easy prey and pushovers.
2. Blacks realized that white boys and girls worship black culture and wanna be a bunch of white negroes. Thus, blacks felt greater confidence. They came to feel no respect or fear for white folks.
3. Stranger-blacks placed into new communities forged bonds over time, though initially they'd been suspicious of one another.
4. Social networking allowed disconnected and dislocated blacks to get together again, for crime.
Take Robert Taylor Homes in Chicago. There was a RTH gang-thug community while it existed. But after it was torn down, the residents were separated and sent to different areas of the city. So, the gang-thug community was broken up. And it would have stayed that way. But with myspace, facebook, and twitter, all these kids can contact one another and send messages like,
'yo, what's up, homey? what you been doing? I'm over here and you're over there. And other dudes are in so forth and so on. How about we all have a reunion at such-and-such store and celebrate by looting the place?'
Have been saying this for a couple of years, since these "flash mobs" and other incidents of blacks behaving badly against whites have cropped up more and more since 2009. I think Obama being in office may have inspired a "Mugabe-effect" of sorts, where the simple fact of his being there sends a signal to unruly black youths that they're running the show now and can do whatever they want to whitey.
Blacks are in predator mode because (1) their culture is wild and thuggish (2) they feel morally righteous and enraged (3) they are naturally tougher/more aggressive.
Whites are in prey mode because
(1) they are the weaker race (2) PC forbids them from feeling racial pride or solidarity (3) they look up to blacks as the alpha-race morally, athletically, and musically while constantly deprecating themselves.
When you release a bunch of wolves in a community of deers, what's gonna happen? So many white liberals have that 'deer in headlights' look with all this violence.
They'd long convinced themselves that blacks are not wolves but friendly sheepherding dogs who would serve as moral guides for white people(as PC sheeple) and lead them to the promised land of redemption.
I think liberals wanted blacks to get the message of 'if we act nice and stay in school, white folks will accept us like Obama and help us' with the election of Obama.
But I think many among the black underclass got the message, 'a black dude is president? we got the POWER!!'
I think this is exactly correct. Liberals love an image they have of blacks, that they are the clay that liberals can form in their own image through enough tolerance, education, social programs, and role modeling.
Underclass blacks aren't interested in living up to liberals' expectations of them except when they're attempting to con them, as at parole hearings.
Barack Obama realized he could achieve power and success by appealing to liberals' vanity, but he had the upbringing and intelligence to pull this off. Most underclass blacks do not.
In 2008 I remember a caller to the NPR program "On Point" saying, quite sincerely, that he believed Obama's election would raise blacks' test scores. I think the host was embarrassed not only because the prediction was foolish, but because you're not supposed to notice blacks have low test scores.
Without a confession, a witness account or some epithet overheard by the victim, no charges will be filed related to ethnic intimidation or a hate crime, Ross said.
Even in cases where an epitaph has been overheard, if the victim is white, hate crime charges are not filed. Eric Holder made it clear he won't.
How the white liberal media would think creating an atmosphere where this is ok -and that it won't come back to bite them.. is beyond delusional.
But i see no sign of white liberals facing reality... like the fed and Bush, ect saying everything was sound right up to the day lehman collapsed, they won't recognize reality until they absolutely have to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v27ep3ec0Y
"Obama President naaaaaaaaah!"
When these flash mobs come by, where the hell are the gun owning rednecks and tough union guys? I have a hard time believing that everyone is such a pushover.
Have these flash mobs become more common? Or are we just more aware of them now?
I remember during the 1980s, there were a lot of wildings in the big cities, like New York.
Blacks thought the election of Obama would solve all of their problems. They are demoralized because their problems have not been solved by the anointed one. So, they lash out at the rest of society in frustration.
Maybe Obamamania caused this. I assumed black youth would see the rewards of "acting white" pull up their pants, read, and maybe talk white. It seems the opposite is happening.
As you've noticed, blacks really like being black.
If Obamamania caused this, then black youth are liberated from their previously reserved behavior. This sort of random violence has gone on for a long time in black neighborhoods, and worse. Chicago and NYC used to average 1,000 to 2,000 murders a year. That said, I don't ever recall blacks attacking whites, and getting away with it.
Two or three generations ago blacks had a thousand reasons to fear white brutality, but today other blacks are a much larger threat.
Another possibility is this is a generation of blacks borne to increasingly "alpha" men, like the guys that pumped that Philadelphia bus full of lead. That gun fight erupted over her parenting techniques.
If you think white women avoid beta men, then you should look at black women. I doubt she got pregnant by Steve Urkel.
Truth..
Earthquake in Japan: Japanese bond together, help one another
(Truth response: find isolated case of looting or stealing and say 'look they do it too)
in Hati: Riots and looting..
same population comes to the UK and...riots and looting.
See a pattern here? Or is that 'racism'
The threat of violence, like violence itself, is an invaluable political tool.
"Earthquake in Japan: Japanese bond together, help one another"
My memory is fuzzy but I think during the Asian financial crisis, South Koreans and Thailand people bonded together and stuck it out.
Indonesians, otoh, went nuts.
"Maybe Obamamania caused this. I assumed black youth would see the rewards of "acting white" pull up their pants, read, and maybe talk white. It seems the opposite is happening."
What's easier?
'Acting white' and studying for yrs to earn money to buy stuff.
Or.
Smashing and taking then and there, especially if you have shit for brains and can't make much sense out of homework?
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Btw, 'acting white' is almost irrelevant since so many whites go out of their way to 'act black'.
And even whites who do act white publicly put down whiteness as bland, boring, evil.
On facebook, a whole bunch of white liberals(who are successful)usually post black music videos.
Two major reasons why UK-style mob violence is not happening in the United States, where it would be much bloodier, are that a) our white low-lifes are dispersed around the suburbs, small towns and rural areas, where they cannot gather quickly in threatening critical masses, and b) our black low-lifes mostly live in sections of big cities that have very few shops to loot, because no one built long rows of attractive retail shops anywhere near poor black neighborhoods after the late 1960s riots. Wary real estate developers substitute for effective government and civilization.
"THis is justified payback for the brutality of slavery."
But blacks smash Arab, Hindu, Asian, and Mexican businesses too. And blacks seem to be robbing one another in Africa. Well, I suppose Africa had slavery for 100,000 yrs, so blacks must be attacking one another cuz they'd all enslaved one another at some point in the past, and so it's payback.
In order to stop/prevent these crimes liberals have to let go of a lot of cherished ideology.. you think that's going happen???
You have to remember, from a truly marxist standpoint the unraveling and destruction of the system is a success.
"Obama publicly chastised a white police officer for arresting Gates."
No, Obama publicly chastised a white police officer for "acting stupidly", e.g. arresting a law-abiding citizen on his own property..
"Without a confession, a witness account or some epithet overheard by the victim, no charges will be filed related to ethnic intimidation or a hate crime, Ross said.'"
And this is how the hate-crimes legislation was inteneded to work, wan't it?
"Yeah, but if blacks stomp on some white guys head enough times it seems unlikely he will remember them saying "Get whitey, he bleeds real nice."
Of course that would be a hate crime. We all know a black man has never stomped on another black man's head.
"but mightn't it also have a connection with the empowerment that young underclass blacks must feel at having a black man in the White House?"
No, young underclass blacks don't give a shit who's in the White House.
"Great logic. I suppose what Nazis did wasn't antisemitic since they killed a lot of Christians too."
When they brought Jews to concentratoin camps it was 'antisemitic', when they dropped bombs on London it wasn't.
Really, really complicated there.
"same population comes to the UK and...riots and looting...."
Yeah, Whitey did behave an awful lot like he did in Vancouver. But you said it, not me.
"When they brought Jews to concentratoin camps it was 'antisemitic', when they dropped bombs on London it wasn't."
When blacks attack whites, it too is racial. Even if blacks aren't doing it out of ideological hate, it's done for reasons of biological contempt, i.e. 'I can whup the white boy's ass'. Eventually, this feeling of contempt can turn into a kind of racial supremacy: 'We is badass, they is punkass'.
When they brought Jews to concentratoin camps it was 'antisemitic', when they dropped bombs on London it wasn't.
Really, really complicated there.
exactly so when blacks say 'kill whitey' and that they are going 'polar bear hunting' it should be a hate crime but according to eric holder and others, it is not.
Here's a question: why are the US mobs not completely apeshit everywhere?
Answer: 2nd Amendment.
not really , defacto there is no 2nd Amendment in NYC except for bloombergs and other steins's and bergs's bodyguards
Don't forget the White professional female angle. Emily Gruendelsberger was attacked and had her leg broken (she's the Editor of the Onion). Her response, blame it on ... White guys and berate "racist bs."
In particular for that class of women, Alpha is everything. And nothing is more Alpha than beating a White guy's head in.
so when blacks say 'kill whitey' and that they are going 'polar bear hunting' it should be a hate crime but according to eric holder and others, it is not.
Exactly. Politics is not about fairness and moral consistency.
I know that this is a very difficult concept for some people to grasp.
It just struck me that 95% of blogosphere-class political debate consists of accusing politicians of being hypocrites. Some people never seem to work past that basic fact of life.
"When these flash mobs come by, where the hell are the gun owning rednecks and tough union guys?"
They're generally where blacks are not to be found. They're less afraid of a confrontation with blacks than they are of having the book thrown at them if they get into such a confrontation.
My husband fits your descriptions. We live in a small town that is over 90% white. He carries when he has to go to the nearest big city(which is routinely in the Top 10 most dangerous big cities). He's a burly guy most people instinctively give a wide berth to and with good reason. But he also stays out of black areas, doesn't frequent bars, clubs, etc. and avoids trouble while remaining prepared and equipped to deal with it.
trashiness is the glue that will unite all races
I would love to be able to hack into the network and play a few tricks on these hoods. Send them two counties over into some corn field in the middle of hunting season. Tell them election day is on a Wednesday next year.
In particular for that class of women, Alpha is everything. And nothing is more Alpha than beating a White guy's head in.
Whiskey, as a Scotch-Irish, your tribe is about as alpha as it gets.
Guys; here's a depressing story that should put a damper on all of your evenings.
Another High-IQ, Brevikian genius who will never have a chance to procreate:
White Paaaaaaaaaar!
"My husband fits your descriptions. We live in a small town that is over 90% white. He carries when he has to go to the nearest big city...He's a burly guy most people instinctively give a wide berth to and with good reason. But he avoids trouble while remaining prepared and equipped to deal with it."
And his name...is Carter
His silence and inaction are in striking contrast to David Cameron's prompt response to similar violence in England.
Cameron has at no time singled out blacks in the current riots. For him, the rest of the elite and the MSM the looters are a wonderful rainbow of ethnicities. All parties concerned are outdoing each other in pretending not to notice the bleeding obvious.
While at the same time attacking anyone foolhardy enough to point out the reality.
Guys; here's a depressing story that should put a damper on all of your evenings.
and truth, why does CNN make an issue of the 'race' of the accused teens, but when blacks do it it's 'youths' and no mention of race.. and why does the media downplay black on white attacks..
I think you know, and i also think you know that you have it great under white guilt liberalism.... so you have to keep playing the race card..... and keep hoping whites will keep feeling guilty.
Have these flash mobs become more common? Or are we just more aware of them now?
I remember during the 1980s, there were a lot of wildings in the big cities, like New York.
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In the 80's it was a lot easier for the media to cover up the fact that the wildings were being done by blacks. With YouTube that changed. Also people can now discuss the issue on anonymous forums such as this whereas in the 80's there was no way to have anonymous discussion with like-minded people.
this might be happening even if Mccain had won. and then people would be saying blacks are angry cuz white folks didn't give a black guy a chance to be prez.
there's always an excuse to excuse black behavior.
I'm with anonymous, well one of 'em, on whether the flashboons are actually new. Whites were not happy when the youth gang raped a pretty young woman, then tried to beat her to death. In the youfs defense, they maybe just found her beaten unconscious and exercised groided morality by raping her instead, of calling an ambulance like human beings.
Neway, the media clan was not happy with how white people felt. There was certainly a blackout on other wildings. Social media leave a trail that the media clan and their dusky shocktroops can't deny. Cell phone video and youtube get the reality of blacks to people who didn't seek it out.
Demographically, the current 13?-23? year olds of the youth hasn't passed through the filter of the criminal justice system removing the savagest of them.
I have high hopes for white liberals coming around. They were willing to try anything to make the country a better place, and when they realize that strategy didn't work, they'll switch to separation. Look at the pictures of London riot cleanup: stunningly pretty white girls wearing clothes that are an inch from realtalk. How many nons are cleaning up and coming together to rebuild?probably a whole 2 or 3. Once the whites put some effort into fixing what the diversities did, and look around and see that the diversities wallow in it, well, they'll be capital P progressives soon enough.
Boy, "Truth" really gets defensive whenever we have one of these incidents of black people behaving badly and white people noticing it.
You'd think he was out wilding himself. It's not easy being a cartoon.
Her response, blame it on ... White guys and berate "racist bs.
do you really think she had any other choice, our resident scotch irish rocket scientist? mentioning a hate fact makes you a hater monger/racist/white supremacist.
thats a large part of the reason white liberals are liberals they literally have no other choice.
I should point out that these mob attacks occur in the very places where carrying a concealed weapon is illegal AND you have lots of blacks: Illinois, Wisconsin, England, and major U.S. cities. (Yes, Wisconsin passed concealed carry, but it doesn't go into effect until November.)
In the Obama years the black homicide rate has fallen much faster the white homicide rate and some criminologists are thinking that it might be an Obama effect.
It's useful to follow international news a bit to get a handle on this. Social media has made it much easier to organize in all sorts of ways. In the US, we have flash mobs, but also the Tea Partiers, who initially organized by doing an end run around a lot of traditional gatekeepers, though they seem to have been largely co-opted by the Fox crowd since then; similarly, look at the protests in Wisconson. In Spain, there are massive protests (google for the "indignados" and the movement of 11-M), the Arab Spring riots/protests follow a somewhat similar pattern, and similar things have happened in Israel, and earlier the "Green Revolution" after the Iranian government retained power in a crooked election. This is a change in technology, which let's people organize faster and more effectively than used to be possible. It's silly to attribute it to Obama, whose only relationship with this technology is that his campaign used it to help him get elected.
Like any social change, partisans map it onto their favored conflict--the riots are black alphas kicking the asses of liberal white betas, or the Arab Spring is Al Qaida taking control of these countries so it can destroy Israel, or the riots are the result of social services cuts and theiving banksters. But really, the social forces haven't changed, just the technology and the example of other people using them in ways that are relatively easy to copy.
"I should point out that these mob attacks occur in the very places where carrying a concealed weapon is illegal AND you have lots of blacks:"
In St Louis, an elderly man was killed by black thugs playing the "Knock-Out Game". Missouri has conceal/carry, I don't think St. Louis City has any laws against it.
Then again, black thugs are stupid but they don't lack animal cunning. They select their prey carefully. The kind of person who has a CCW tends to carry himself in a way that wards off confrontation.
The whole point of conceal/carry is not to draw your weapon at the first hint of trouble but to have it to use defensively as a last resort. In other words, guns are not just for cutting short confrontations in one's favor, they are for use in zero option situations. They are the last line of defense, not the first. If you don't understand the distinction between the two, you shouldn't be carrying.
Kylie = The anti-Whiskey
In addition to CCWs, it wouldn't hurt middle-class peope if they did some bodybuilding and learned to fight. Knock out one thug and the rest will run.
"My memory is fuzzy but I think during the Asian financial crisis, South Koreans and Thailand people bonded together and stuck it out.
Indonesians, otoh, went nuts."
Because they were already the poorest and were getting screwed even worse, hence riots. Nothing to do with religion or race - the Jakarta Chinese were targeted for owning so much of the country's wealth (google cukong).
Flash mobs.I can't wait until they start acting up here. The feds just got done shoving it up my towns a**. Forced us to build low income housing and intergrate the town. I live between the new housing and the liquor store. The residents walk by all the time looking over MY prorerty on their way to buy booze. BTW how many of these projects are there in HYANNISPORT? The Kennedys started all this. Look up the stats for Hyannisport. 97% White 3% Hispanic ( gardeners & maids) 0% other. Good enough for me but not the Kennedys
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