The left have enough gall to be divided into three parts:* the stupid, the deluded and the evil. All three parts worked their warm and compassionate hearts out to bring about the vibrant diversity of modern Britain.
I like this West chap's style. Another excellent writer on immigration, population increase and related issues is Anthony Browne, who managed to hold down a prominent role at The Times for several years despite some really quite shockingly crimethinky views. Not heard much from him lately though.
How has "diversity" has become so sacred when we often move ahead by being pointedly non-diverse? E.g.: colleges admit the intelligent and energetic at the expense of diversity from the dull and lethargic. But one wonders sometimes.
The title of this upcoming book, The Diversity Delusion: How Mass Immigration Has Failed Britain, puzzles me.
A couple of years ago, it emerged, as they say, that the Labour party had deliberately engineered its policy of mass immigration to "rub the Right's nose in diversity".
Evidently, the intent of the Labour party was not to benefit Britain with its policy of mass immigration but to spite it. In this, it certainly seems to have succeeded. So where does the failure come in?
It seems to me that a more accurate title would be The Diversity Solution: How Mass Immigration Succeeded In Worsening Britain.
Israel approves funding to block African migrants Sapa-AP | 11 December, 2011 14:29
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attends the weekly cabinet meeting in Jerusalem
December 11, 2011.
...
The Israeli prime minister's office says the Cabinet has approved a $160 million program ...
Using US foreign aid $ ? -- DD ) ...designed to stanch the flow of illegal African migrants into Israel.
The plan calls for speeding up construction to complete within the coming year a border fence with Egypt. It is also meant to keep out Islamist militants.
The program also involves the construction and expansion of detention facilities to hold the illegal migrants. Fines will also be stiffened for employers who hire them.
The prime minister's office said in a statement that the plan, which was approved in principle last year, received funding on Sunday.
Israel says that since 2006, more than 40,000 migrants from Sudan, Eritrea, and other African nations have sneaked into the south of the country through the porous border with Egypt.
I recently bought the book The Diversity Myth: Multiculturalism and the Politics of Intolerance at Stanford David O. Sacks, Peter A. Thiel (1996), after reading about P. Thiel in (of all places !) "The New Yorker". Old stuff, but I did not know the details; and they are quite tragic.
Steve, did you see the Xavier-Cincinnati fight? A white guy, 7'/275, goes down on a single punch from a black guy who has to reach over a crowd and is standing straight up, with no momentum or leg drive. I just love your commenters who insist that whites are as tough as blacks. Oh, I know! Too little data!
I would not be one of those commenters. I freely acknowledge Black superiority in most athletics not requiring skill. Blacks are on average superior to Whites in athletic ability. They just are, the top 100 record holders in the 100 Meter Sprint are all ... Black men. Not a single White guy.
However, no race is one of "Supermen" in either the Kryptonian or Nietzschean sense. The trade-off evolutionary for living in high disease load environments like West Africa is far reduced future time orientation, cooperativeness, intelligence, and lower interpersonal aggression.
Which is the path to wealth for a society, dunking a basketball or designing the SR-72 Blackbird?
"Steve, did you see the Xavier-Cincinnati fight? A white guy, 7'/275, goes down on a single punch from a black guy who has to reach over a crowd and is standing straight up, with no momentum or leg drive."
Yes, he hit a guy who was not only facing away from him but concentrating on someone else. I don't know where you're from but where I'm from, that's known as a sucker punch. I myself dropped a big black guy (6'5", 230 lbs.) to his knees with a sucker punch. BFD.
"I just love your commenters who insist that whites are as tough as blacks."
They aren't, they're tougher. I'll grant you blacks tend to be phyically stronger but that's not the same thing. Blacks tend to travel and attack in packs, which bolsters their nerve but get them in a fair confrontation and they tend to do a lot less posturing and a lot more propitiation.
"Steve, did you see the Xavier-Cincinnati fight? A white guy, 7'/275, goes down on a single punch from a black guy who has to reach over a crowd and is standing straight up, with no momentum or leg drive. I just love your commenters who insist that whites are as tough as blacks. Oh, I know! Too little data!"
Just watched the video clip. Here is the punch in slow-mo. A few observations:
1) There's plenty of momentum behind that punch. Look at the rotation of 34's hips & shoulders. You can't see his feet there, but it looks he jumped as he punched, almost like an MMA Superman punch.
2) Frease doesn't look like he's even fighting. He looks like he was trying to break up the fight, by separating combatants, and then someone grabs his wrists and pulls him forward. With his wrists held, and him off-balance leaning forward, he's defenseless. Doesn't matter how big he is.
3) Frease didn't see the punch coming. He's looking at the guy grabbing him at his 12 o'clock and he gets clocked by a guy standing at his 9 o'clock (and later, stomped).
My guess is Frease didn't go to an inner city school growing up. If he did, he'd have known that once the fists start flying in this sort of situation, there's no room for peacemakers, and everyone's fair game. There's fight or get out of Dodge. Frease was at Def Con 4 or 5 in a melee where everyone else was at Def Con 1.
As for generalizing about a whole race's toughness from one member of it getting cold-cocked, Ta-Nehisi Coates might caution you against that, and allude to the complexion of the current roster of heavyweight boxing champs.
Dave: First, with #34 you're seeing something that isn't there. That punch was all upper body, and his feet leaving the floor would just ensure less power delivery than one delivered from a crouch. Second, the punch looked pretty glancing, like it hit the corner of his eyebrow. You're correct about his background, though - he was so startled he went down needlessly.
As to Coates, I dealt with him in the previous thread. Why would you invoke him as some kind of authority on relative black-white fighting ability? So at the time he wrote, a Klitcko held the title, so what? What about the previous 45 years since Marciano? Which weighs more heavily (so to speak)?
Boxing/Fighting really does seem a less than ideal proxy for genetic athletic superiority. Ashkenazis did well, back when they were a poor, tough immigrant minority. Irish too, now they can't catch a break. Blacks dominated until the poor, tough immigrants from Russia were turned loose.
I think Blacks have an edge in boxing over Whites, but I also think that culture really does make a difference; it just isn't a calling for people who have lots of options and come from something other than violence & poverty. But that isn't enough for Mr. Hardon I guess.
you mean the one where they didn't even wait for the game to end, one guy just threw the basketball directly at another guy's head, then when the xavier center was trying to stop people from fighting, a cincinatti player sucker punched him? then when he fell, another cincinatti player stomped on his head?
yeah, i saw that.
he scored 13 points, grabbed 13 rebounds, and blocked 4 shots. all of which contributed greatly to the other team losing.
you just have to know that some of them didn't take kindly to getting beat that badly and went directly for the player they hated racially on the winning team.
i see it all the time in hoops. when the mavericks swept the lakers last year in the playoffs, ron artest and andrew bynum went directly after dirk nowitzki and JJ barea.
pretty much no different than any other sucker punch. i guess lagarrette blount is "tougher" than any white guy on earth because he throws a mean sucker punch as well.
"They just are, the top 100 record holders in the 100 Meter Sprint"
well there was morne nagel, who was a lot faster at the 60 than almost anybody. during his prime when he did his PR, there were only about 5 or 6 guys faster ever, and after he retired, maybe another 4 or 5. and plenty of them were caught using sports drugs later. nagel was definitely a faster short sprinter than any guy who ever played in the NFL or in any soccer league. and lemaitre, but he's been discussed. and he's a 100 guy, not a 60 guy.
but i don't get how this one thing becomes THE defining argument ender in this discussion. especially as the guys who run VERY fast on the track are not great all around athletes. the fastest guy ever in the NFL, trindon holiday, cannot get off the practice squad. carl lewis was pure garbage as a general all around athlete, and all the great decathletes would crush him in any sport. usain bolt is no different. he sucks at ball sports, i guarantee that 1000% percent. that's one thousand percent. not a typo. where are all the great jamaicans in ball sports?
not to say that black americans aren't awesome athletes, they are. but african africans aren't in general. in this common argument about sports, how are they allowed to be quoted on the one single thing they are best at by far, without any other considerations? what about things they aren't even close to the best at, but are much more important in the sports world and pay MUCH, MUCH more than track sprinting?
The comment abut Ashkhenazi and other races being successful fighters at one point is true. If you ever read "A Stone for Danny Fisher", Harold Robbins' first book (and a rather well-written one, surprisingly- the man had talent of a sort when he started his career-) the protagonist was a Jewish kid from Hell's Kitchen who became an amateur boxer and fought his way out of the slums. The book was a very successful best-seller because, not only did it have "racy" sex scenes for its' time (1948) but because the characters rang true- and tough Jewish kids did indeed box in the 1920's and 30's. Read more here: http://www.jewishpost.com/archives/news/when-boxing-was-a-jewish-sport.html
And if you're a fan of the old "Beverly Hillbillies" TV show, Max Baer Jr.'s (Jethro) father was Max Baer, a half-Jewish World Champion boxer (I know, I know- no such thing as a half-Jew religiously, but this crowd is into HBD and genetics).
Another excellent writer on immigration, population increase and related issues is Anthony Browne
Last I heard, Browne was working for Boris Johnson. He appears to have quietly dropped his opposition to mass immigration since joining Johnson's payroll.
The left have enough gall to be divided into three parts:* the stupid, the deluded and the evil. All three parts worked their warm and compassionate hearts out to bring about the vibrant diversity of modern Britain.
ReplyDelete*Lifted from Michael Medved.
Steady on - the concept of diversity does not extend to diversity of ideas. They'll try to burn him as a heretic.
ReplyDeleteI like this West chap's style. Another excellent writer on immigration, population increase and related issues is Anthony Browne, who managed to hold down a prominent role at The Times for several years despite some really quite shockingly crimethinky views. Not heard much from him lately though.
ReplyDeleteI'll give you 100 to 1 that the graunidad review or at least its blog reversion of a review, will compare Ed West to Emma West (the 'tram' lady).
ReplyDeleteBarn door, horse.
ReplyDeleteHow has "diversity" has become so sacred when we often move ahead by being pointedly non-diverse? E.g.: colleges admit the intelligent and energetic at the expense of diversity from the dull and lethargic. But one wonders sometimes.
ReplyDeleteSomething along the lines of an autopsy report, I gather.
ReplyDeleteBritain would have been much better off if it had not opened its doors to third world immigration.
ReplyDeleteHallelujah!!!
ReplyDeleteBy a Telegraph columnist no less.
Now if only we can get a Guardian columnist to write a similar book.
The title of this upcoming book, The Diversity Delusion: How Mass Immigration Has Failed Britain, puzzles me.
ReplyDeleteA couple of years ago, it emerged, as they say, that the Labour party had deliberately engineered its policy of mass immigration to "rub the Right's nose in diversity".
Labour Wanted Mass Immigration For Political Reasons
Evidently, the intent of the Labour party was not to benefit Britain with its policy of mass immigration but to spite it. In this, it certainly seems to have succeeded. So where does the failure come in?
It seems to me that a more accurate title would be The Diversity Solution: How Mass Immigration Succeeded In Worsening Britain.
Israel approves funding to block African migrants
ReplyDeleteIsrael approves funding to block African migrants
Sapa-AP | 11 December, 2011 14:29
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attends the weekly cabinet meeting in Jerusalem
December 11, 2011.
...
The Israeli prime minister's office says the Cabinet has approved a $160 million program ...
Using US foreign aid $ ? -- DD ) ...designed to stanch the flow of illegal African migrants into Israel.
The plan calls for speeding up construction to complete within the coming year a border fence with Egypt. It is also meant to keep out Islamist militants.
The program also involves the construction and expansion of detention facilities to hold the illegal migrants. Fines will also be stiffened for employers who hire them.
The prime minister's office said in a statement that the plan, which was approved in principle last year, received funding on Sunday.
Israel says that since 2006, more than 40,000 migrants from Sudan, Eritrea, and other African nations have sneaked into the south of the country through the porous border with Egypt.
I notice that he links to you occasionally. Pretty cool coming from the MSM.
ReplyDeleteThat depends on what your definition of "Britain" is.
ReplyDeleteThe left have enough gall to be divided into three parts:* the stupid, the deluded and the evil.
ReplyDelete-- Michael Honeyknowledge, via Chiropractic Architect
Does that translate to two fools and a knave, or two knaves and a fool?
I recently bought the book
ReplyDeleteThe Diversity Myth: Multiculturalism and the Politics of Intolerance at Stanford
David O. Sacks, Peter A. Thiel
(1996),
after reading about P. Thiel
in (of all places !)
"The New Yorker".
Old stuff, but I did not know the details; and they are quite tragic.
Steve, did you see the Xavier-Cincinnati fight? A white guy,
ReplyDelete7'/275, goes down on a single punch from a black guy who has to reach over a crowd and is standing straight up, with no momentum or leg drive. I just love your commenters who insist that whites are as tough as blacks. Oh, I know! Too little data!
I would not be one of those commenters. I freely acknowledge Black superiority in most athletics not requiring skill. Blacks are on average superior to Whites in athletic ability. They just are, the top 100 record holders in the 100 Meter Sprint are all ... Black men. Not a single White guy.
ReplyDeleteHowever, no race is one of "Supermen" in either the Kryptonian or Nietzschean sense. The trade-off evolutionary for living in high disease load environments like West Africa is far reduced future time orientation, cooperativeness, intelligence, and lower interpersonal aggression.
Which is the path to wealth for a society, dunking a basketball or designing the SR-72 Blackbird?
They just are, the top 100 record holders in the 100 Meter Sprint are all ... Black men. Not a single White guy.
ReplyDeleteNot quite correct. There's a white guy.
Google Christophe Lemaitre, who is running the 100m in under 10 seconds. He's times are as fast as Tyson Gay was at his age.
"The Diversity Myth," unreviewed at Amazon. Interesting.
ReplyDelete"Steve, did you see the Xavier-Cincinnati fight? A white guy,
ReplyDelete7'/275, goes down on a single punch from a black guy who has to reach over a crowd and is standing straight up, with no momentum or leg drive."
Yes, he hit a guy who was not only facing away from him but concentrating on someone else. I don't know where you're from but where I'm from, that's known as a sucker punch. I myself dropped a big black guy (6'5", 230 lbs.) to his knees with a sucker punch. BFD.
"I just love your commenters who insist that whites are as tough as blacks."
They aren't, they're tougher. I'll grant you blacks tend to be phyically stronger but that's not the same thing. Blacks tend to travel and attack in packs, which bolsters their nerve but get them in a fair confrontation and they tend to do a lot less posturing and a lot more propitiation.
"Steve, did you see the Xavier-Cincinnati fight? A white guy,
ReplyDelete7'/275, goes down on a single punch from a black guy who has to reach over a crowd and is standing straight up, with no momentum or leg drive. I just love your commenters who insist that whites are as tough as blacks. Oh, I know! Too little data!"
Just watched the video clip. Here is the punch in slow-mo. A few observations:
1) There's plenty of momentum behind that punch. Look at the rotation of 34's hips & shoulders. You can't see his feet there, but it looks he jumped as he punched, almost like an MMA Superman punch.
2) Frease doesn't look like he's even fighting. He looks like he was trying to break up the fight, by separating combatants, and then someone grabs his wrists and pulls him forward. With his wrists held, and him off-balance leaning forward, he's defenseless. Doesn't matter how big he is.
3) Frease didn't see the punch coming. He's looking at the guy grabbing him at his 12 o'clock and he gets clocked by a guy standing at his 9 o'clock (and later, stomped).
My guess is Frease didn't go to an inner city school growing up. If he did, he'd have known that once the fists start flying in this sort of situation, there's no room for peacemakers, and everyone's fair game. There's fight or get out of Dodge. Frease was at Def Con 4 or 5 in a melee where everyone else was at Def Con 1.
As for generalizing about a whole race's toughness from one member of it getting cold-cocked, Ta-Nehisi Coates might caution you against that, and allude to the complexion of the current roster of heavyweight boxing champs.
Dave: First, with #34 you're seeing something that isn't there. That punch was all upper body, and his feet leaving the floor would just ensure less power delivery than one delivered from a crouch. Second, the punch looked pretty glancing, like it hit the corner of his eyebrow. You're correct about his background, though - he was so startled he went down needlessly.
ReplyDeleteAs to Coates, I dealt with him in the previous thread. Why would you invoke him as some kind of authority on relative black-white fighting ability? So at the time he wrote, a Klitcko held the title, so what? What about the previous 45 years since Marciano? Which weighs more heavily (so to speak)?
It seems to me that a more accurate title would be The Diversity Solution: How Mass Immigration Succeeded In Worsening Britain.
ReplyDeleteIndeed. :)
Boxing/Fighting really does seem a less than ideal proxy for genetic athletic superiority. Ashkenazis did well, back when they were a poor, tough immigrant minority. Irish too, now they can't catch a break. Blacks dominated until the poor, tough immigrants from Russia were turned loose.
ReplyDeleteI think Blacks have an edge in boxing over Whites, but I also think that culture really does make a difference; it just isn't a calling for people who have lots of options and come from something other than violence & poverty. But that isn't enough for Mr. Hardon I guess.
by Ed West
ReplyDeleteno relation to Emma?
"Blacks dominated until the poor, tough immigrants from Russia were turned loose."
ReplyDeleteThe Klitschko brothers don't fit too neatly into that archetype. Their father was a general in the Soviet Air Force and both brothers have Ph.Ds.
I can't wait to read Emma West's book on immigration. It should be a real hoot.
ReplyDelete"Steve, did you see the Xavier-Cincinnati fight?"
ReplyDeleteyou mean the one where they didn't even wait for the game to end, one guy just threw the basketball directly at another guy's head, then when the xavier center was trying to stop people from fighting, a cincinatti player sucker punched him? then when he fell, another cincinatti player stomped on his head?
yeah, i saw that.
he scored 13 points, grabbed 13 rebounds, and blocked 4 shots. all of which contributed greatly to the other team losing.
you just have to know that some of them didn't take kindly to getting beat that badly and went directly for the player they hated racially on the winning team.
i see it all the time in hoops. when the mavericks swept the lakers last year in the playoffs, ron artest and andrew bynum went directly after dirk nowitzki and JJ barea.
pretty much no different than any other sucker punch. i guess lagarrette blount is "tougher" than any white guy on earth because he throws a mean sucker punch as well.
"They just are, the top 100 record holders in the 100 Meter Sprint"
ReplyDeletewell there was morne nagel, who was a lot faster at the 60 than almost anybody. during his prime when he did his PR, there were only about 5 or 6 guys faster ever, and after he retired, maybe another 4 or 5. and plenty of them were caught using sports drugs later. nagel was definitely a faster short sprinter than any guy who ever played in the NFL or in any soccer league. and lemaitre, but he's been discussed. and he's a 100 guy, not a 60 guy.
but i don't get how this one thing becomes THE defining argument ender in this discussion. especially as the guys who run VERY fast on the track are not great all around athletes. the fastest guy ever in the NFL, trindon holiday, cannot get off the practice squad. carl lewis was pure garbage as a general all around athlete, and all the great decathletes would crush him in any sport. usain bolt is no different. he sucks at ball sports, i guarantee that 1000% percent. that's one thousand percent. not a typo. where are all the great jamaicans in ball sports?
not to say that black americans aren't awesome athletes, they are. but african africans aren't in general. in this common argument about sports, how are they allowed to be quoted on the one single thing they are best at by far, without any other considerations? what about things they aren't even close to the best at, but are much more important in the sports world and pay MUCH, MUCH more than track sprinting?
"usain bolt is no different. he sucks at ball sports, i guarantee that 1000% percent. that's one thousand percent. not a typo."
ReplyDelete"guarantee", huh? What are you using for collateral?
"especially as the guys who run VERY fast on the track are not great all around athletes."
ReplyDeleteWhat about Herschel Walker? Or Darrell Green? Super-fast, and great football players (Walker has now, in his forties, taken up MMA competitively).
The comment abut Ashkhenazi and other races being successful fighters at one point is true. If you ever read "A Stone for Danny Fisher", Harold Robbins' first book (and a rather well-written one, surprisingly- the man had talent of a sort when he started his career-)
ReplyDeletethe protagonist was a Jewish kid from Hell's Kitchen who became an amateur boxer and fought his way out of the slums. The book was a very successful best-seller because, not only did it have "racy" sex scenes for its' time (1948) but because the characters rang true- and tough Jewish kids did indeed box in the 1920's and 30's.
Read more here:
http://www.jewishpost.com/archives/news/when-boxing-was-a-jewish-sport.html
And if you're a fan of the old "Beverly Hillbillies" TV show, Max Baer Jr.'s (Jethro) father was Max Baer, a half-Jewish World Champion boxer (I know, I know- no such thing as a half-Jew religiously, but this crowd is into HBD and genetics).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Baer_%28boxer%29
What never ceases to amaze is that TS Eliot boxed in a rough Boston gym.
ReplyDelete"carl lewis was pure garbage as a general all around athlete"
He did get an Olympic gold for the long jump.
he sucks at ball sports, i guarantee that 1000% percent. that's one thousand percent. not a typo. where are all the great jamaicans in ball sports?
ReplyDeleteLOL, Jamaica is a country of only 7million people.
Patrick Ewing was born in Jamaica.
Blacks beat whites hands-down in the Sucker Punch and Mob Riot categories of the Diversity Olympics. Some athletes.
ReplyDeleteAnd if you're a fan of the old "Beverly Hillbillies" TV show, Max Baer Jr.'s (Jethro) father was Max Baer, a half-Jewish World Champion boxer
ReplyDeleteWhich didn't stop Hollywood from making him a disgusting, lecherous villain in "Cinderella Man"!
Pat Hannagan, where is your appreciation?
Another excellent writer on immigration, population increase and related issues is Anthony Browne
ReplyDeleteLast I heard, Browne was working for Boris Johnson. He appears to have quietly dropped his opposition to mass immigration since joining Johnson's payroll.