LONG BEACH — A former high school football star whose rape conviction was thrown out this week plans to sue the state, but will not sue the woman who recanted the rape and kidnapping charge she made a decade ago.
An attorney for Brian Banks, 26, said in news reports that his client will seek $100 from the state for every day he was wrongfully incarcerated.
Only $100 per day? This poor bastard has to be the only honest man in Southern California. (See next posting for comparison).
Banks walked free on Thursday in a dramatic, 30-second hearing in Long Beach Superior Court during which Judge Mark Kim vacated his conviction. Banks spent five years and two months in prison after pleading no contest to forcible rape in 2003.
His accuser, Wanetta Gibson, was a high school sophomore when she accused Banks, then 17, of raping her in 2002 on the campus of Poly High School.
She received a $1.5 million payment from a civil suit brought by her mother against the Long Beach Unified School District for failing to provide a safe environment.
School district officials wouldn't comment this week on whether they would seek repayment of the settlement.
I'm sure Wanetta and her mom socked the $1.5 million away in T-bills for a rainy day, so there shouldn't be any trouble recovering the fraudulently obtained funds.
Prosecutors have said they have no plans to charge Gibson, now 24, with making false accusations, saying it would be a tough case to prove. She could not be reached for comment.
Banks' attorney with the California Innocence Project, Justin Brooks, could not be reached for comment Saturday.
Brooks told the Los Angeles Times that Banks is entitled to $100 a day for every day he was falsely imprisoned under State Law 4900.
If successful, the lawsuit against the state of California would net Banks about $188,500.
Banks, a football standout at Poly, had been heavily recruited by colleges, and had a verbal offer for a scholarship at the University of Southern California.
He told police he had a consensual sexual encounter with Gibson, a classmate — but always maintained that he did not rape her. He pleaded no contest to forcible rape charges to avoid a possible 41-year-to-life sentence in prison if convicted on all the charges, he said.
After accepting a plea deal, he served more than five years in prison, and was required to register for life as a sex offender.
Gibson recanted her story a little more than a year ago after "friending" Banks on Facebook and asked to meet with him.
"I got on my knees and prayed," Banks said this week after his court hearing. "I asked God to help me play my cards right."
Gibson refused to tell prosecutors the truth, for fear of having to repay the settlement. But attorneys with the California Innocence Project were eventually able to record her recanting the accusation. [He wore a wire when talking to Wanetta.]
On Thursday, prosecutors conceded the matter, and the judge immediately vacated Banks' conviction. His record is now wiped clean.
Banks is training six days a week at a gym in Long Beach, and hopes to revive his chance for a football career.
Long Beach Poly sends about one player per year to the NFL (as many as any high school in the country), so his hopes for a pro career hadn't been just the usual teenage pipedream.
I am less sympathetic when you plead guilty.
ReplyDeleteI am less sympathetic when you plead guilty.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like a lot of poor and or dumb people plead guilty when they probably shouldn't.
These days, it's just foolish to plead guilty. The public has a very different idea of rape than our idiotic, feminazi legal system does. Far better to take a chance in court.
ReplyDeleteBut the state should try to get its money back.
A former high school football star whose rape conviction was thrown out this week plans to sue the state, but will not sue the woman who recanted the rape and kidnapping charge she made a decade ago.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds me of Reginald Denny, the white trucker savagely beaten at the start of the Rodney King riots. Later, Denny, who was a Christian, made a big show of publicly announcing that he'd forgiven his attackers. He actually hugged hugged the mother of two of his attackers.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1842&dat=19930829&id=sF0eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VcgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1376,3908723
Later he went on Phil Donahue and shook hands with one of the savages who tried to kill him.
However, his spirit of Christian forgiveness had limits; he sued the city of LA for millions.
Apparently Denny had no beef with four men who tried to kill him, and nearly did so, fracturing his skull in 91 places. Hey, no worries...these things happen. But, say, doesn't the city have access to billions of dollars? Well, I'm certainly not going to forgive the city for not preventing what was really no big deal, something I've already forgiven and forgotten.
Thankfully Denny lost his suit against the city. I would have rooted for him to get a big settlement, but not after he forgave his attackers. Don't forgive someone who tries to murder you, and then turn around and sue a third party for not preventing the assault.
Of course, this case is a bit different, as the state did throw this guy in prison for 5 years. But since he's not suing her, he loses a lot of moral authority in my book.
Another benefit of the Email/Cell Phone/Text Message/Facebook Era is the effect it will have/is having on bogus rape allegations.
ReplyDeleteGirl: "Two weeks ago he raped me."
Defense Attorney: "Then why did you keep texting him and Facebooking with him for the next ten days?"
Of course, this case is a bit different, as the state did throw this guy in prison for 5 years. But since he's not suing her, he loses a lot of moral authority in my book.
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Dude, cut him some slack, I think she was a minor at the time and his current attorney probably told him it would be difficult if not impossible to sue her.
And for all you people who frown on plea deals?
You're probably a white person. There are plenty of innocent blk males serving much longer sentences because they refused to cop a plea for a crime they didn't commit.
The same people who balk when I ask them for directions on the street are to be trusted serving on a jury in judgement of me?
When you are as dark skinned as this guy is, you better have some old, gray haired pillar of the community type white people come testify on your behalf.
I hope this story make the rounds because it's a refutation of the Feminist claim that women don't lie. They do.
ReplyDeleteWell, I think it is only fair that every woman gets to sue one man for rape, whether or not they have ever had sex or not.
ReplyDeleteAfter all, they are the superior sex and the fairest sex.
Ummm, Steve, you forgot to mention the race of the accuser and victim:
ReplyDeleteBlack on black false rape claim
What a godawful story.
ReplyDeleteI dont think you can hold someone responsible more when they plead guilty to avoid a super long sentence. If you are innocent, but your lawyer is convinced you will be convicted and spend the rest of your life in prison, the only sensible thing to do is to accept some kind of deal to get a shorter sentence.
He probably did rape her, but it didn't really bother her in retrospect. I remember a story a friend told me in elementary school about a gang rape, which included sodomy with a beer bottle, where the victim bargained not to report it, if the guy she liked married her. He married her, case closed. There's a guy who takes one for the team. Don't know how the marriage turned out.
ReplyDeleteThis bitch needs to do time. Tough case to prove? They got her on tape. How can they let her get away with this? She took almost 6 years of this guy's life and falsely collected 1.5 million. C'mon if anybody deserves to be prosecuted it's her.
ReplyDeleteWhen you are as dark skinned as this guy is, you better have some old, gray haired pillar of the community type white people come testify on your behalf.
ReplyDeleteAnd thus the argument for racial separation is made, far more succinctly than I could have managed.
You're probably a white person. There are plenty of innocent blk males serving much longer sentences because they refused to cop a plea for a crime they didn't commit.
ReplyDeleteLike Henry Watson, the guy who's serving multiple life terms for almost beating Reginald Denny to death on live TV during the LA riots. Oops - my bad - Watson wasn't innocent, but was released after less than two years in prison. Please spare us your silly prevarications.
Holy cow! Putting an innocent man in prison for 5 years and fraudulently collecting $1500000 goes unpunished and our justice system is fine with it? What a travesty of justice.
ReplyDeleteDefense Attorney: "Then why did you keep texting him and Facebooking with him for the next ten days?"
ReplyDeleteThe fact that she kept in touch with him for years afterward and followed him to a new job didn't discredit Anita Hill's claim that Clarence Thomas sexually harassed her, in the eyes of feminists.
The same people who balk when I ask them for directions on the street . . .
Sorry, Derbyshire Rule 10(i).
Whoa, a lot of generalising going on here. Just because some black men get away with crimes or are underpunished is in no way a logical argument that other black males are not overpunished. Of course some people have the horrible choice of plea bargaining when innocent - who is insane enough to think that this doesn't happen?
ReplyDeleteCourt cases aren't averages - each one is an individual event. This is blindingly obvious, yet somehow beyond some commenters here.
"The same people who balk when I ask them for directions on the street are to be trusted serving on a jury in judgement of me?"
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that you'd bring up trust. Apparently this guy couldn't trust a "sister" not to put him in jail on a false charge. And then he couldn't trust her to testify for him once she privately admitted the fraud. So much intra-black trust in this story, and in life in general.
If they don't get the 1.5 million back from this girl, then it seems to me that all the male taxpayers in Long Beach Unified SD are entitled to a free go.
ReplyDelete"It seems like a lot of poor and or dumb people plead guilty when they probably shouldn't."
ReplyDeleteWhat part of "41 years TO LIFE sentence" indicates stupidity?
Prosecutors get pissed if you don't accept a plea deal. It's important for anyone accused of a crime to get a good lawyer. If you're stuck with just a public defender, taking the plea may be the best you can get. The thing you should NEVER NEVER do is confess to the cops without a lawyer there. It's really never in your interest to talk to them at all when you may be a suspect.
ReplyDeleteI am less sympathetic when you plead guilty.
ReplyDeleteThis guy didn't plead guilty.
You're probably a white person. There are plenty of innocent blk males serving much longer sentences because they refused to cop a plea for a crime they didn't commit.
ReplyDeleteFor acquaintance rape? I'd want to see the stats.
But I'm not judging him. It would be a horrible position to be in, and there's no easy answer. However, the public is going increasingly rogue on the idiotic laws for acquaintance rape.
What part of "41 years TO LIFE sentence" indicates stupidity?
ReplyDeleteI think its a bit mean of people to be so down on this guy for pleading guilty. Lawers convince innocent people do it sometimes in the name of expedience, and that's the reality. However, I still think its not a good idea *especially* when the accusations are serious. Pleading guilty when you're really innocent is bound to mar future efforts at exoneration. That's what stupid.
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ReplyDeleteI am less sympathetic when you plead guilty."
I have every sympathy for him. His lawyer probably told him to cop, as it was the best deal he was going to get. He was only a teenager at the time - teenagers aren't known for having the best judgement - and he was under duress.
Why isn't the woman who falsely accused him and ruined his life going to be prosecuted? They said it would be hard to prove? Her recantation was enough proof to exonerate him. It ought to be enough proof to convict her.
Poor guy. I hope something good happens to him to make up for the crap he's been through.
I read an article a year or two ago that a high school in suburban Pittsburgh had the most NFL players, which I think was only 5.
ReplyDeleteLong Beach Poly has produced something like 53 NFL players, plus Billy Jean King, Snoop Dog, Tony Gwynn, Chase Utley, Spike Jonze and Cameron Diaz.
ReplyDelete"There are plenty of innocent blk males serving much longer sentences because they refused to cop a plea for a crime they didn't commit."
ReplyDeleteThis is something that is very unfair about our criminal justice system but don't expect Democrats, who are supposedly in the camps of blacks, to say a single word. When it comes to the 0.1% of Americans who want to get gay 'married' (1% of pop gay, 10% of them want 'marriage'), that is worth 50% of all their polical capital. Ditto for the NAACP. WTF?
Meanwhile prosecutors make charges that they know aren't supported by the evidence to get plea deals. That is surely Angela Corey's M.O., only now the world is watching.
Murder II on obvious self defense is absurd; Corey had to insert all kinds of her own thoughts into Zimmerman's mind to justify it. Depraved mind, yes, but whose?
This is probably the first time Corey has to do any actual work. Up until now I imagine she has always insanely overcharged and terrified defendants have copped a plea deal.
For the Corey's crimes as explained by Alan Dershowitz, Corey belongs in jail.
My question is, who has the power or standing to charge prosecutorial misconduct? Someone needs to bring charges against Corey.
Making false accusations really paid off well for her and her mother. Perhaps the mother helped drive this case in hopes of turning it into a payday. I wonder how many grifters there are out there who make a living through schemes of false accusation and resultant lawsuits?
ReplyDeleteI see a new rap star arising.
ReplyDeleteInnoCent!
ReplyDeleteI remember a story a friend told me in elementary school about a gang rape, which included sodomy with a beer bottle, where the victim bargained not to report it, if the guy she liked married her. He married her, case closed.
I take it you believe every story you heard in elementary school, then.
What Ben Tillman said. He didn't plead guilty, he plead nolo contendere, or (in post Vatican II form) no contest.
ReplyDeleteAnonydroid at 7:24 pm said: He probably did rape her, but it didn't really bother her in retrospect.
Hunsdon replied: Yeah, that MUST be how it went down. Is the sky in your world the same color as Whiskey's?
More important is how white oppression caused this entire unfortunate affair!
ReplyDeleteJUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!
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"It seems like a lot of poor and or dumb people plead guilty when they probably shouldn't."
ReplyDeleteWhat part of "41 years TO LIFE sentence" indicates stupidity?
Exactly, if the key witness is perjuring herself, how relevant is your innocence?
Why isn't the woman who falsely accused him and ruined his life going to be prosecuted? They said it would be hard to prove? Her recantation was enough proof to exonerate him. It ought to be enough proof to convict her.
ReplyDeleteIf it's not good enough for a criminal charge of perjury, it ought to be good enough to sue for whatever portion of the 1.5 mil she still has.
Seriously, though, how often are false rape accusations prosecuted?
The state should re-coup whatever assets remain from its payout to the not-as-young-as-she-once-was hotass and her feral dam, give it to Mr. Banks, then make-up the difference so that Mr. Banks receives a full, inflation adjusted $1.5 million payout on top of his paltry $100 per day payout.
ReplyDeleteThese days, it's just foolish to plead guilty.
ReplyDeletedepends. If the state wants to crush you they pretty much can. Unless you find a good pro bono lawyer you will pretty much bankrupt yourself in legal fees alone, not to mention the long drawn out legal process.
Why isn't the woman who falsely accused him and ruined his life going to be prosecuted?
ReplyDeleteexactly False accusations should be severely punished - but we have the opposite - we have aggressive lawyers and feminists telling women they were raped because, for example, they had too much to drink and upon more sober thought, regret their actions.
America is truly dysfunctional. - compare this to a case where a cheerleader was raped and then kicked off the squad for refusing to 'cheer' for her rapist.
ReplyDeleteAll sorts of 'star' athletes get away with rape, then an innocent one goes to jail.
This country is a mess.
The Innocence project had many convictions overturned for rape charges.
ReplyDeleteAccording to The Innocence Project: "In about 25% of DNA exoneration cases, innocent defendants made incriminating statements, delivered outright confessions or pled guilty. These cases show that confessions are not always prompted by internal knowledge or actual guilt, but are sometimes motivated by external influences."
Taken from the false rape society.
It's hard for a young man in that situation to understand what he is going through and what the consequences of his actions can be.
Patrick Waring's case
he also made some incriminating comments during investigation.
He pled on the advice of his lawyer because he was looking at a 40 year sentence if convicted (a ploy used by prosecutors to coerce guilty pleas). This sort of thing happens to white men also.
ReplyDeleteWhat a horrible story. I suppose the girl is not being punished in order to encourage other false accusers to come out.
ReplyDeleteAlso, how much do you wanna bet that the liar and her mom are already broke? I've met a girl in college whose mother won a lawsuit. They had a new house with a private movie theater, popcorn machines and all, where each family member's name was engraved on the back of a his/her seat. Mom drove an expensive sports car. They were struggling to pay the girl'd in state tuition.
"Dude, cut him some slack, I think she was a minor at the time and his current attorney probably told him it would be difficult if not impossible to sue her."
ReplyDeleteSo what. He was a minor when he was wrongfully put in prison.
She is incredibly sick to send him there and say nothing for all those years. She needs to be in jail. It's amazing that she isn't.
Maya:
ReplyDeleteAn old friend of mine in college, one of the smartest people I knew in school, had his mother die tragically just before he was to graduate. He got a big payment from this, either from insurance or from a lawsuit. He's in his mid-40s now, and has never worked a steady job. He lives off the interest plus sponging off his wife. This has always seemed more tragic than his mother's untimely death to me--if she's died five years later in the same circumstances, he'd be a first rate engineer someplace with a lot of money in the bank and a really nice house and car, instead of a permanent layabout.
Anon 9:35:
ReplyDeleteI gather a lot of the confessions the cops get are from people who are either not very bright (often with some kind of mental or intellectual disability) or are young and scared and bluffed into saying whatever they think will get them out of trouble.
Worse, there have been a bunch of cases coming out from Chicago where the cops literally beat confessions out of people to solve cases, in the last 20 or so years. (That used to be common, as I understand it.). One case reported on Radley Balko's site had eight guys all confess to the same murder, one of whom was in jail at the time the murder took place. It's real easy to get false confessions with a little torture.
"I take it you believe every story you heard in elementary school, then."
ReplyDeleteThe town, really a small city, one of two on Long Island, was the setting for the Rober Di Nero movie, City By The Sea. It went through a transformative gentrification in the 80s, so the movie had to be made in Atlantic City to reflect the former grittiness. Prior to its gentrification, its whiteness was preserved by very violent white youth, refugees from NYC. Only the locals would remember what a crazy place it was. Why was I inclined to believe the story? It might have something to do with the fact that children at my Catholic school were banned from going home for lunch because they were breaking into abandoned bungalows and drinking. My classmate's brother had killed a bookie, who lived around the block from me, with a hammer, against a white stucco wall, we went to see the scene the next morning, the hair was stuck to the wall, the blood ran out to the gutter and a piece of skull was on the ground - real River's Edge type stuff. The place was a dumping ground for drug addicts, hippies, Vietnam vets (sorry vets, but these guys were only too happy to buy beer for kids, if you gave them a few) and mental patients. I could give you a dozen similar stories from that time. So was I inclined to believe it, yes indeedy - it was consistent with the milieu.
However, the public is going increasingly rogue on the idiotic laws for acquaintance rape.
ReplyDeleteThere aren't any laws "for acquaintance rape". Rape is rape.
Pleading guilty when you're really innocent is bound to mar future efforts at exoneration. That's what stupid.
ReplyDeleteUm, he didn't plead guilty.
As innocent black men are thrown in prison, the SPLC sues school districts for not allowing lesbian minors to broadcast their sexuality in schools.
ReplyDeleteSeems the little lesbian and her attorneys got a bigger payout for that than Mr. Banks, as well. Follow the money, folks. Feminism has become one of the nation's most lucrative rackets, and it would be foolish to underestimate the SPLC's sense of smell where cash is concerned.
Jefferson was right about the judges.
Um, he didn't plead guilty.
ReplyDeleteUm, OK mr. snark I'll address the point you raised.
Already several posters (myself included) have failed to make the distinction. Most people will consider a no contest plee to be very close to a guilty plea. If your innocent, you should plead innocent. Pleading anything else is de facto evidence of guilt, regardless of what the law may say about it.
Its kind of analagous to how refusing to speak in your own defense is also de facto evidence of guilt. Why? Because guilty people (like OJ Simpson) may fear being caught out lying under questionning. Once again, whatever the law may say about it can't negate the scientific logic.
Already several posters (myself included) have failed to make the distinction. Most people will consider a no contest plee to be very close to a guilty plea. If your innocent, you should plead innocent. Pleading anything else is de facto evidence of guilt, regardless of what the law may say about it.
ReplyDeleteWillful ignorance fuels injustice.
Thankfully, I've never been in Mr. Banks' position, but I signed a child support order that was more than I could afford to get my ex to stop accusing me of child abuse.
So many people have no idea what it's like to be manhandled by the courts. Basically, they ask you whether you want it with or without lube, and you generally get what you chose.
Maybe we should ask Cameron Todd Willingham, who refused to cop a plea, whether it was worth it. Oh wait... He was executed after rejecting a guilty plea...
Too bad for him.
this story is f'ed up. this guy went down for total BS. the false rape accusation happens somewhat regularly. how can this problem be fixed?
ReplyDeleteSimilar case in New York a couple of years ago. Spanish (?) lady got drunk at a bar. Good samaritan (a young White construction worker) drove her home. She missed a date with some friends and claimed it was because she was raped by the guy. She got religion after he served 4 years and came forward and recanted. She was sentenced to up to 3 years for lying earlier this year.
ReplyDeleteYou can read about it here:
Biurny Peguero, Fake Rape Victim, Gets Up To 3 Years For Sending ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../biurny-peguero-fake-rape_n_473890.ht
The problem with aggressivley arresting and sentencing rape victims who recant is that it discourages others from coming forward to recant.
I suppose some might disagree and claim that it serves as a deterrence that disccourages the original fabrications.
To me, providing disincentives for doing the right thing and coming forward and telling the truth doesn't seem like the best policy.
You want to encourage people to do the right thing, no? A long prison term would discourage them.
Why create a penalty for telling the truth ... even if it is late and after the damage has been done by the lie?
Sad troubling dilemma.
I hate these stories. Naturally you can break down the responses by anxieties according to gender. Many women who really are raped never report it because of the attitudes here. That is what "feminism" had intended-- which was much needed at a certain time, decades ago--to help those who really needed it. I was almost raped and would probably have been murdered as well. The perps were chased away. The would-be perps were black and the heros were white, for the record.
ReplyDeleteIf I'd just been assaulted and managed to get home, would I have reported it? I really don't think so. In fact, I can't imagine it.
Fortunately by that time you could get shots for vd, and abortions if you needed them, no questions asked.
You only see your side as potential falsely accused. Not really too likely in the course of life, but I do understand your concerns.
I see myself as the rape/murder victim I almost became. But even with "feminazis" protecting me, I don't think I'd have had the courage to come out. It would have compounded the nightmare. As far as acquaintance rape, I just don't see how you can prove it. Mostly they come from lack of common sense. You don't find yourself alone with black football players if you can help it. You may need to be very careful of white ones, but they never came up in the news as much. My father stopped watching football because to him, the sport just became full of repulsive thugs. He didn't mention the race angle.
All that said, false accusers should be criminally prosecuted. That is just common sense in my opinion.
Prosecutors have said they have no plans to charge Gibson, now 24, with making false accusations, saying it would be a tough case to prove.
ReplyDeleteHuh? If it is really "tough" to prove that she made a false accusations, why is Bank's out of jail? Some judge somewhere must have believed that she made false accusations.
Prosecutors have said they have no plans to charge Gibson, now 24, with making false accusations, saying it would be a tough case to prove. She could not be reached for comment.
ReplyDeleteGibson refused to tell prosecutors the truth, for fear of having to repay the settlement. But attorneys with the California Innocence Project were eventually able to record her recanting the accusation. [He wore a wire when talking to Wanetta.]
So his conviction was thrown out because they have a recording of her recanting her testimony, but it would be just too darn tough to convict her of giving false testimony?
This country is run by idiots and lunatics.
The problem with aggressivley arresting and sentencing rape victims who recant is that it discourages others from coming forward to recant.
ReplyDeleteThe solution to that is to stop sending people to jail on little (sometimes on zero) evidence.
There was zero evidence that Biurny Peguero was raped, or had any sort of sex at all. From a story on the Peguero case:
"Through three long interview sessions with the Manhattan District Attorney's Office it then became clear why they had never been able to link McCaffrey's DNA to the victim. The rape kit came back negative."
What the hell was the Manhattan District Attorney's Office doing prosecuting somebody for rape when the rape kit came back negative?
And what the hell was the jury thinking of in convicting a man with zero evidence against him?
Those are the problems here. If we lived in a sane world then Peguero's claims of rape would have been checked out, and then quickly dismissed.
I'm a little surprised that everyone seems to be treating consensual sex as unambiguously distinct from rape. The real world of human sex is much less binomial.
ReplyDeleteGo onto any BDSM dating site and you will see hundreds of ads by women where they beg for a man to come along who will tie them up, beat them and take them forcefully. Many women of course want to be seduced by some smooth talking Roissy-like player they meet in an upper end bar. Many women want to engage the man in a complex pre-sex negotiation where everything everyone does to the other is defined in some detail. Many want no sex at all before marriage. But there are other tastes too.
I've never been attracted to the rape fantasy sites but I've met many women who are. Some of these women have been clearly disappointed that I wasn't prepared to engage in a rape-like bedroom scene.
If you ask, you will also find women who are looking for a man to take them to a sex club and have them be gang raped. Am I the only one who ever meets these kind of women? I think every man meets these kind of women occasionally but never suspects the truth.
Real rape in my opinion should be a death penalty crime. There are men who lurk in the bushes or break into houses so as to sexually attack women who are strangers. I say kill them ASAP. But the feminists want to broaden the definition of rape to include "date rape" which too often is simple "buyer's remorse" for a normal date that resulted in normal consensual sex. Real rape is a brutal crime and the populace should simply eliminate real rapists. I think the evidence is that real sex criminals can not be rehabilitated. Just put them to sleep humanely.
But you never read anything about the range of sex preferences of real healthy women. Real women are lusty. Many of them want to be "taken". For example, many women like their man to slap them. Women have told me stories about how they were thrilled and turned on the first time they were slapped. Then they confessed that they they were frustrated thereafter in their ability to find such a man again.
To understand black rape and this particular case you should look at porno sites. There are many sites which feature black men in sexual congress with white women. There are no sites with white men having sex with black women. Asian men are also never featured. The pornographers know the market.
The public - both men and women - see black men as potent sexual aggressors. So I can well believe that there are a disproportionate number of black men who have been wrongfully imprisoned for rape. A rape jury will carry their prejudices about black men and sex into the courtroom with them.
White men often envy the real or imagined sexual power of black men. I'm not surprised that this poor fellow was railroaded into prison for rape. This is an example - a real example - of racial prejudice.
A sensible civil rights advocate would argue that black men accused of rape should be given the benefit of the doubt in marginal cases.
Albertosaurus
Given that the burden of proof is on the prosecution, it should be hard to convict someone of rape on a woman's say so alone.
ReplyDeleteWhite men often envy the real or imagined sexual power of black men.
ReplyDeleteOh God, we have another Whiskey wannabe.
Speaking as a white man, I do not "envy the real or imagined sexual power of black men".
if you do, then go ahead and say "I envy the sexual power of black men". But stop projecting your own hang-ups and insecurities onto me.
"I'm a little surprised that everyone seems to be treating consensual sex as unambiguously distinct from rape. The real world of human sex is much less binomial.
ReplyDeleteGo onto any BDSM dating site and you will see hundreds of ads by women where they beg for a man to come along who will tie them up, beat them and take them forcefully. Many women of course want to be seduced by some smooth talking Roissy-like player they meet in an upper end bar. Many women want to engage the man in a complex pre-sex negotiation where everything everyone does to the other is defined in some detail. Many want no sex at all before marriage. But there are other tastes too."
Albertosaurus, come on. Of course consensual sex and rape are the exact opposites. When a women with a fetish acts a rape fantasy, she isn't being raped because she consented to the act. She might have given consent just that one time or let her partner know that she's up for being jumped and handled roughly anytime, but she still consented. There is nothing confusing about that.
Sure, there are all kinds of tastes out there. Some people are into BDSM, some like to put on furry suits and rub against each other, some see a foot as the primary sex organ and the possibilities are endless. God bless 'em all, as long as they aren't hurting anyone (against their will). But all of those types of people are a small minority. That's why you go on special sites to meet them. In your full post, you went from suggesting that a certain taste exists to claiming that it's common. It's not common. And interracial sexual preferences among women aren't common either. There is plenty of all kinds of interracial porn, and it's mostly geared towards men. Real women ARE lusty, but a clear majority of us (I think I read it's 2/3) isn't capable of getting turned on by watching strangers' bodies slap against each other. If it's true that there is more interracial pornography based on couplings involving black men, it's probably to cater mostly to the black men themselves and the lonely white men who obsess over black male sexuality. These two groups are probably more likely than anyone to watch porn anyway. Yes, i'm sure there are some white/asian/hispanic girls out there who can't get enough of those videos, but they are not representative of their general populations.
Oh, and do you not count women who are into love and long term relationships as real women? In my humble experience, women who are looking for a man to love and share their life with are neither into violence nor into sleazy smooth talkers, even when these women are young, vivacious and lusty ;)
Anonymous tells me I'm a Whiskey wannbe. I'm not quite sure what that means. He also says I'm projecting my insecurities onto him.
ReplyDeleteMaybe all that's true but I thought I was merely stating an obvious and well accepted fact. Rather like asserting that the sun will come up tommorow.
I just googled "Black Man Sexual Power". It got seventy million hits.
Albertosaurus
I thought I was merely stating an obvious and well accepted fact.
ReplyDeleteInstead you were expressing your own subjective view of yourself and extrapolating it to the world in general.
"I just googled "Black Man Sexual Power". It got seventy million hits."
ReplyDeleteWhat's your point?
I just googled:
"All white men are gay"-409,000,000 hits.
"All black men are gay"- 122,000,000 hits.
"White men love black women"- 24,900,000 hit.
"Black women are the most beautiful"- 67,300,000 hits.
"I like dog meat"- 23,800,000 hits.
So? Besides, just because something has sexual prowess, doesn't mean all its targets view it as sexy or desirable.
The commentary here about Banks's guilty plea ignores the most salient fact about postmodern juries. Any big-city prosecutor will tell you that, as a result of "Law and Order" type shows, juries expect to be shown physical evidence. They're thinking, 'no DNA, no crime.' Isn't it true Banks's case involved no physical evidence? If so, how in hell does any experienced defense lawyer advise a guilty plea? Plus, a Long Beach jury pool would have plenty of blacks and hispanics in it. Plus, for that black commenter above with the reflexive 'racism' plaint, why wouldn't white jurors look askance at a black girl? Any good racist would place black teen girls at the bottom of the veracity pyramid. l
ReplyDelete>If we lived in a sane world then Peguero's claims of rape would have been checked out, and then quickly dismissed.<
ReplyDeleteBut where in that would be the opportunities for making coin and exercising power?
>Um, OK mr. snark I'll address the point you raised.<
ReplyDeleteMr. Snark was correct. Stop whining, thank him sincerely, and move on; it turns you into the winner.
Is conservative Orange County responiable for our illegal immirgation messed. The OC Register favored using illegal immirgants since its libertarian philosophy preached you can hire anyone you want. Before 1980, it was mainly Texas conservatives that pushed the use of illegal immirgants but the OC join aboard and lots of little factory jobs in Santa Ana and resorts in Anaheim started to hire them in mass. Maybe, OC is an example that conservative counties can also do damage and that's why conservative states like Texas that copy the OC model are growing poorer and poorer.
ReplyDeleteThe Orange County connection in Texas. Chuck Devore left the OC for Texas and Devore was always changing his mind on the illegal immirgant issue. He went to work for Rick Perry.
ReplyDelete"I just googled "Black Man Sexual Power". It got seventy million hits."
ReplyDeleteClearly you did not google "White Man Sexual Power" because that gets a lot more than seventy million hits.