June 25, 2012

Not quite as boring as most Olympic track posts

Random notes on the decathlon:

Nobody cares much about the Olympic decathlon anymore, but the competition for the "World's Greatest Athlete" used to be a big deal. For example, Bruce Jenner rode his 1976 gold medal to being Kim Kardashian's stepfather. He says that when he's on his deathbed, he intends to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin.

Here's a picture of Ashton Eaton, who just set a new world's record in winning the decathlon at the U.S. Olympic track & field trials, which, as usual, are being held in Eugene, Oregon, because Oregon is the only place that still cares about t&f.

Eaton is from a small town in Oregon. His mom is a redhead. Dad hasn't been around since he was two.

Dennis Dale recently pointed out in the comments that Obama just barely squeezed through the Novelty Window: Guys with a white mom and a black dad who isn't around have quickly gone from representing Hope and Change to being depressingly common.

My guess is that being part but not fully black is helpful in the ten event decathlon: e.g., Daley Thompson, the British 1980 and 1984 gold medalist, one of the Dave and Dan guys from 1992, and Bryan Clay, the half-Japanese half-black American who won at Beijing.

Anthropologist Henry Harpending has talked about how a racial group that forms out of two larger races will eventually develop a "type," a characteristic look over a number of generations. Most African-Americans look more blended, more like the type than they used to.

I recall watching some Black History Month documentary on PBS and my wife pointed to the sepia toned photos from several generations ago and noted that black people used to look different.

Blake Griffin of the NBA Clippers is an example of a first generation cross who doesn't look well-blended. But this Ashton Eaton fellow doesn't even look black at all, he looks like a dark Asian Indian. But he runs like he's black.

73 comments:

  1. Harry Baldwin6/25/12, 6:31 PM

    Blake Griffin looks like he was generated at Pixar.

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  2. Jenner was a great athlete and now he looks like an old queen.

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  3. Blacke Griffin is a "first generation cross", only in a legal point of vue. The guy is 80% caaucasian, at least...

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  4. I have heard the best decathletes tend to be around 30 years old. Young enough to be close to their physical peak, but old enough to have enough maturity to pace themselves in the various events so they don't get too tired too soon.

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  5. The Decathlon used to be big because it was the only Olympic T&F event that White American athletes could win -back during the cold war. The commies, blacks, and associated foreigners had a lock on everything else.

    Besides general interest in the Olympics has nosed dived in the last 20 years as America has become less patriotic. The whole "I'll root for some Afro Aztec because he has an American citizenship" meme is pretty much gone.

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  6. "He says that when he's on his deathbed, he intends to hold an auction between Coke and Pepsi over who gets to slap their logo on his coffin."

    Based on what he looks like--a pointy-nosed old woman--from all those face-lifts, I'd think neither Coke nor Pepsi would be interested, unless they wish to suggest drinking their product will turn a man into a woman.

    What a mess he is.

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  7. Each of them looks…peculiar. Not their fault. They're simply the result of high time preference matings.

    Here's an example who turned out less ...peculiar. And she doesn't seem the type to throw the maternal branch of her family tree under the bus.

    cipher

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  8. NOt all that long after he won the decathalon, he dumped his wife who worked to put him through school.

    Seems old Bruce was always really about chasing fame.

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  9. "The guy is 80% caaucasian, at least..."

    If so, Mrs. Griffin's got some 'splainin' to do to Mr. Griffin.

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  10. Based on what he looks like--a pointy-nosed old woman--from all those face-lifts, I'd think neither Coke nor Pepsi would be interested, unless they wish to suggest drinking their product will turn a man into a woman.
    WHo can forget his starring role in the village people movie?/

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  11. You're right - the article is only half as boring.

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  12. Ashton Eaton does look like a south Indian. Many mulattoes seem to have this sort of vague Indian appearance when there is more Caucasian than negro admixture. The modern day Indians seemed to have descended from a 4000 year old admixture event between an ancestral Northern Indian population and a darker Southern Indian population. The admixture is universal apparently, but the concentrations of Northern and Southern genes vary from caste to caste and region to region.

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  13. Jenner must be a homophobe judging by the comments. Or maybe a Republican.

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  14. Harry Baldwin6/25/12, 7:34 PM

    Bruce Jenner is one of the most convincing candidates at the Men Who Look Like Old Lesbians site.

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  15. Steve,
    If history repeats itself, I'll soon be hearing you tell how your wife uttered the the-bunny hop-landing-is-better comment for the third time :)

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  16. I recall watching some Black History Month documentary on PBS and my wife pointed to the sepia toned photos from several generations ago and noted that black people used to look different.

    Actually I've always thought that white people in old photos looked different than from today, and I wondered if it was just fashions or something more. (Never spent much time looking at old photos of blacks).

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  17. Blake Griffin looks somewhat like a black albino. These are always startling to me. The combination of white skin with such rough-hewn features, such vacant looks is unnerving.

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  18. "Guys with a white mom and a black dad who isn't around have quickly gone from representing Hope and Change to being depressingly common."

    But why depressing? Such fellas seem to be winning. It's good for liberal notion that (1)race-mixing leads to superior people --president and decathalon winner-- (2) single-mothers can raise winners in life.

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  19. "Actually I've always thought that white people in old photos looked different than from today, and I wondered if it was just fashions or something more."

    They were a lot smaller and thinner back then. This point is really driven home if you go to a museum where old clothing and old military uniforms are on display. They were built more like gawky teenagers than the big and fat people we have become today.

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  20. Steve,
    Another black/white mix was Michael Smith of Canada. Ranked in the top ten most of the nineties, he is still the best throwing decathlete of all-time.

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  21. "Jenner must be a homophobe judging by the comments. Or maybe a Republican."

    Nah, he's just ugly. It happens to those who don't let themselves age naturally. Hollywood ugly.

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  22. "They were a lot smaller and thinner back then."

    Yeah malnutrition will do that to you. We're wealthy enough a country today (and redistribute income sufficiently) that even our poor people are fat. Back in the Sepia toned ages, even people who had enough calories could suffer from chronic vitamin deficiencies.

    Its a deadlock certainty that not one American in a thousand has ever heard of pellegra ("In the early 1900s, pellagra reached epidemic proportions in the American South"). Otherwise there's no way in hell Aventis would have named its allergy drug, Allegra (ehh, at least they didn't call it AYDS)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayds

    :o)

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  23. I can't believe Blake Griffin was used as an example when there's an even better one in the NBA: Shane Battier.

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  24. Harry Baldwin said...
    "Blake Griffin looks like he was generated at Pixar."

    That's a good one.

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  25. Since the average admixture is ~17%, you find out where the black parent was on that bell curve, and then roll the dice. The odds of seeing a child with a phenotype that strongly favors the white side should be stronger than the opposite. You can see this dramatically with half–Asians (whose Asian parent would not have recent white admixture to enter into the equation)… I know one family where the kids vary from "very East Asian" to "are you sure you aren't just white?".

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  26. Auntie Analogue6/25/12, 10:26 PM

    "[B]lack people used to look different."


    So did white folks. To know how white women used to look one needs only glance at chubby-kneed chorus girls in those 1930's Busby Berkeley dazzle-ganzas.


    White men have changed too. 1930's-40's films show musculoskeletal features of CCC workers, draftees lined up for shots in WWII, and the differences between those white men and today's are unmistakable (same goes for changes in athletes' phsyiognomy - see Leni Riefenstah;s' 'Olympia' and the white men in the 1936 Olympics look quite unlike today's
    "amateurs").

    Casting agencies are as acutely aware of period body types as costumers, prop men, and set dressers are aware of period apparel and gear.

    It's not only black and white body types that have changed. Old films show Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Arabs, and Jews markedly different in appearance from their present-day descendents.

    Of course body type change. After all, there's today's, you know, Age Of Obesity. Who knew!

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  27. he's pretty awesome.

    fortunately track & field is still more interesting than golf, which is horrendously boring.

    "The Decathlon used to be big because it was the only Olympic T&F event that White American athletes could win -back during the cold war. The commies, blacks, and associated foreigners had a lock on everything else."

    said somebody who doesn't know much about track & field.

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  28. Blake Griffin looks very unusual and not at all like a typical 1st generation black/white mulatto.
    His prognathism is strange when combined with his very light skin and hair. There are a few whites who exhibit prognathism so he might have inherited it from both the black and the white side. In order for him to come out so light, the "black" side must have been pretty heavily admixed too, I'd think.

    I find multigenerational mulattoes better looking than the 1st generation ones, even if the actual white/black mix is the same in terms of percentages.

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  29. Good point Steve. Meanwhile I suspect the popularity of the Tour de France, F1, Indy Car, NASCAR, the NHL, and other formerly niche sports are because the White audience can see themselves. Not guys who look Black or at best, South Asian.

    That's just as human as Black guys finding Woody Allen movies about adultery in Europe or White Manhattan boring as all hell. And looking on the channel guide for a Martin Lawrence movie. People like to see themselves, not another race, as the heroes.

    BUT, the Kardashians (basically known for being the wives/girlfriends of rappers, Black athletes, etc) are still popular, after Kim realized the disaster of ... marrying a WHITE GUY in the NBA. Now corrected by being photographed with Kanye West. Same with some woman named "Kendra" who appears on the magazine covers at the supermarket checkout counters that were unable to land a Kardashian.

    The Black male/White female pairing fascinates the White female audience, for various self-evident reasons. White guys don't like it so much, the obesity epidemic making even baseline attractive women scarce.

    This may be why NBC is promoting via various channels: NBC Sports, MSNBC, CNBC, USA, etc. all sorts of more obscure sports that White Americans are good at: fencing, shooting, dressage, sailing, etc.

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  30. Guys with a white mom and a black dad who isn't around have quickly gone from representing Hope and Change to being depressingly common.

    An overlooked fact in many of these cases is that it's the White woman that drives the black man away. I live in SF bay area and know at least at 4 interracial couples that ended in single parenthood because the woman was clearly neurotic and mentally unstable.

    Interracial relationship is still a taboo subject and not much research has been done the topic, but I suspect that a higher than normal levels of neurosis exists among those who specifically seek interracial relationships.

    For the record, I am a white male, so I am sure there is some bias in my analysis, but what I am saying here is based on simple observation of people around me. So I am not pulling this info out of my ass or some obscure research paper.

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  31. The Brazilification of America continues. We will have a white/Jewish/Asian overclass and a mulatto/mestizo underclass.

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  32. One of the great moments in sports.

    On the 100th anniversary of the American Decathlon with all the living past champions of the sport including World Champions and Olympic Champions gathered for the centenary, a classy athlete with a great smile breaks the world record in the most difficult athletic event in his hometown and college stadium in front of a record crowd all on their feet cheering him on. Magic.

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  33. "For the record, I am a white male"

    You're a white male WHAT?

    "Male" is an adjective. A descriptor. Just like "white". We can speak of a white male dolphin, a white male terrier, a white male kitty-cat.

    So, you're a white male... what?

    If you're a white male adult human being, then let me cut to the chase for you: that means, in English, you're a white MAN.

    Stop using the language of the enemy, which was designed with a specific purpose in mind. HINT: it wasn't designed to help YOU.

    You're a white MAN.

    Own it.

    Be it.

    Live it.

    Love it.

    White man.

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  34. In a conversation about a mixed-race NBA star, I'm surprised there is no mention yet of Joakim Noah. While there is a question of whether Griffin is less than 1/2 black, there is no question about Noah - he's a solid 1/4th black; the product of a mulatto tennis player and a Swedish beauty queen. One of his four grandparents was from Cameroon - you don't get much blacker than that - and the other three were from Europe. Yet I would still say he looks blacker than Griffin.

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  35. "Blake Griffin looks like he was generated at Pixar." That's a good one.

    In fairness to BG, he also JUMPS [leaps, soars through the air] as though he were generated at Pixar.

    PS: And he was homeschooled by his whitebread Momz.

    PPS: Whitebread Momz needs to crack the whip on his free-throw shooting, though: 500 a day, or no dinner.

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  36. Anon 1:06, I think you're right. My girlfriend works at an urban hospital and gets a lot of white women with their little mulattos coming in for checkups. She maintains that the women usually range from strange to batshit crazy.

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  37. This would be interesting to get more data on. The interracial couples I know don't seem obviously crazier than the baseline, but most aren't black/white (instead they're white/Asian or white/hispanic).

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  38. An overlooked fact in many of these cases is that it's the White woman that drives the black man away. I live in SF bay area and know at least at 4 interracial couples that ended in single parenthood because the woman was clearly neurotic and mentally unstable.

    Interracial relationship is still a taboo subject and not much research has been done the topic, but I suspect that a higher than normal levels of neurosis exists among those who specifically seek interracial relationships.


    That may be true, but what makes you think they'd stick around if the mothers were less neurotic? Their track record with women of their own race undermines your theory.

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  39. Well, the OC failed to get a track person on the olympic team. It hurts when blacks are only 2 percent. But being an ex-swimmer I bet OC will get Chad Latournette or maybe Tyler Clary or Chloe Sutton on the olympic team It's better in swimming the white persons sport with a few black minorities that might make it or maybe two asians one full and the other half-black.

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  40. I must be old. When you mention the Decathlon, I don't think Bruce Jenner. I think Rafer Johnson and C.K. Yang.

    It seems to me that the Ninja Warrior, Decathlon, and World's Strongest Man experience demonstrates that if you adjust your events properly you can tune one of the multi-part athletic competitions to favor one race or the other.

    Foot speed events obviously favors blacks. Whites continue to dominate the World's Strongest Man events. And Orientals do best on Ninja Warrior.

    Tell me which group you want to win and I will develop an array of events that will assure that result.

    It's easy to favor blacks - just put in sprints and sprint like events. In Ninja Warrior tiny Japanese men carry themselves on their hands up and down obstacles that exhaust normal size Caucasians and Africans.

    In the American version of Ninja Warrior they have a wall lift event. The heaviest wall is 100 lbs I believe. In the Japanese version there is a time limit and some can't lift these walls fast enough. In the American version there is no time limit. No American one has ever failed to lift these walls.

    Just double the weight of these walls and Yuri Urusiahara the two time Japanese champ would be finished. Yuri weights 110 lbs and is 5'1".

    Or cut down a couple of the redundant grip strength events and all the winners would be white or black not Japanese.

    Put in an event where the contestant carrys a 300 lb object 10 yards and you will get white winners. Put in an event where the contestant carries a 3 lb object 100 yards and you will get blacks in the victory circle.

    I'm probably overstating this but you get the point.

    Albertosaurus

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  41. "Men Who Look Like Old Lesbians site."

    Lol, the interweb is so great.

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    "The Brazilification of America continues. We will have a white/Jewish/Asian overclass and a mulatto/mestizo underclass."

    The history of this process has been one of groups being added to and then removed from the attacking coalition as and when they were no longer needed so it won't be a white/jewish/asian overclass for long. It might be jewish/asian for a while after that but not permanently either.

    If you believe the main or at least one of the main competitive advantages in this kind of internal ethnic competition is relative clannishness then the odds on how it ends aren't clear at all.

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  42. From Whiskey: "Kim [Kardashian] realized the disaster of ... marrying a WHITE GUY in the NBA."

    From Wiki: "He [Humphries] is of mixed ethnicity – his father is half Caucasian and half African-American while his mother is Caucasian."

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  43. She maintains that the women usually range from strange to batshit crazy.

    From everything we know [or think we know] about her, Stanley Ann certainly fit the bill, back when she got knocked up, at 17, circa November 1960.

    The scary thing is when you ask yourself how much of that batshitness might have rubbed off on her son, who is now followed 24x7 by a military attache carrying "The Football".

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  44. I suspect that a higher than normal levels of neurosis exists among those who specifically seek interracial relationships

    I'm sure you also apply that to white men who seek out Asian women, yes?

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  45. Baldwin's Pixar comment spot on. Anonymous at 7:57 PM is also correct: Griffin looks like a black Albino.

    Poster who mentioned JOakin Noah raises an interesting point. There are a number of quadroons who look just as black as their mulatto parents - think Halle Berrie's daughter. Others, through the genetic lottery, could pass for White. Same thing with White/Asian mixtures. Most are obviously mixed. When you get to 1/4 it varies tremendously - anecdotal evidence only, but I've seen 1/4 Asians who look like a light-skinned Hispanic and others who are tall, muscular, White guys with blue eyes. Anybody with more scientific/genetics knowledge than me care to address how that happens?

    Ultimately, however, they are all obviously mixtures. White genes are recessive, and the one-drop rule was predicatedly, at least partially, on the fact that "blood will out."

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  46. Blake Griffin obviously has two copies of the "ginger" gene, a mutation in MC1R which disables melanin production. This mutation is so potent that it will override even the genes which produce very dark pigmentation in Africans. The mutation is most common in Scotland where it occurs in 40% of the population, but is not totally absent in African populations. Blake Griffin looks white because skin color provides the strongest cue about race and tends to make us overlook other more subtle racial differences.

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  47. @Anonymous 4:58 AM

    LOL! First it was the whole fat/ugly charge. Then it was that they're crazy when, through daily observation, the previous position became untenable.

    The (beta male) rationalization hamster just spins on and on. :-)

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  48. An overlooked fact in many of these cases is that it's the White woman that drives the black man away

    Are black males known for otherwise sticking by their women after the birth of children?

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  49. "one of the Dave and Dan guys from 1992"

    I was working room service at the host hotel for the 1992 Olympic Trials in New Orleans. Dan was all over the place signing autographs, getting photographs with the staff and public at meet and greets, ordering club sandwiches at all hours of the day and night, hanging out with his attractive mulatto girlfriend, and seemingly using the his time there to maximize self-promotion opportunities.

    There was a buzz among the mostly black hotel staff concerning his readiness for the competition since he was spreading himself so thin. He was well-liked by everybody there, but the hotel staff was not surprised when he didn't qualify. Reebok obviously counted it's chickens before they hatched. I couldn't tell you if Dave was staying at the same hotel.

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  50. This may be why NBC is promoting via various channels: NBC Sports, MSNBC, CNBC, USA, etc. all sorts of more obscure sports that White Americans are good at: fencing, shooting, dressage, sailing, etc.

    And curling.

    How many of you Yanks even heard of curling?

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  51. She maintains that the women usually range from strange to batshit crazy.

    These whores obviously need more ritalin, prozac, lithium, fluoride, shock treaments, and lobotomies. But not sterilization. Only Nazis sterilize.

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  52. "Male" is an adjective. A descriptor. Just like "white".

    "Male" is also a noun. Just like "white" is also a noun.

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  53. BUT, the Kardashians (basically known for being the wives/girlfriends of rappers, Black athletes, etc) are still popular, after Kim realized the disaster of ... marrying a WHITE GUY in the NBA.

    Kris Humphries is black. He is some sort of mulatto or quadroon like the others discussed in this post and thread.

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  54. Want to see some real strange mixtures. Look at Zana's children.

    http://gaizy.hubpages.com/hub/Mystery-Files-The-Story-of-Zana-Do-Neanderthals-Still-Walk-Amongst-us

    http://www.hominology.narod.ru/zanai.htm

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  55. looks like justin gatlin and lashawn merritt are cheating again, winning the 100 and 400 after serving long suspensions for being on sports drugs.

    gatlin in particular is certainly using something, as he's running as fast as ever now. it's simply a matter of how good his drug regimen is and whether it's sophisticated enough for him to not get caught.

    amazing nobody in the US sports media even questions that he could come back and run 100 meters in 9.8 like it was nothing. please give me a break. they are so transparent in how they look the other way when it's africans on drugs.

    yohan blake was by far the most obvious drug user of all-time last year, we'll see what he does this year. his 200 meter run was a disgrace and he knew it. instead of bursting with elation and joy when he looked at the clock and saw he ran the second fastest 200 meters ever, he quickly looked away, skulked off the track, and got the heck out of there, realizing he had run way too fast, giving his drug use away.

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  56. I recall watching some Black History Month documentary on PBS and my wife pointed to the sepia toned photos from several generations ago and noted that black people used to look different.

    My 81-year-old, basketball loving father has remarked on this for years.

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  57. I suspect that a higher than normal levels of neurosis exists among those who specifically seek interracial relationships.

    I think this is accurate for certain interracial crosses, but not all. From my observation (mostly from Northwest US) I see White/Asian pairing coming from higher IQ and introverted types, whereas the White/Black pairings are from the lower IQ and more neurotic end of the spectrum. In the long-run however, it might prove that losing crazy White women to race mixing as having a positive effect in improving White genes by removing the unfit from the gene pool.

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  58. Some of you guys sound like the Asian dudes at the Asia's Finest forum.

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  59. amazing nobody in the US sports media even questions that he could come back and run 100 meters in 9.8 like it was nothing. please give me a break. they are so transparent in how they look the other way when it's africans on drugs.

    In many major Olympic sports like track and field and weightlifting, everybody uses drugs and it's understood by the authorities. The goal of drug testing in these sports isn't to eliminate drug use, but to try to make sure everyone is using about the same amount and type of drugs.

    You can't just take drugs. You still have to be naturally athletic and train very hard to benefit from drugs. Olympic weightlifters take drugs so they can lift to max attempts 3, 4 times a day, rather than just once a day.

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  60. Blake Griffin looks white because skin color provides the strongest cue about race and tends to make us overlook other more subtle racial differences.

    He doesn't look white, just like black albinos don't look white.

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  61. Bruce Jenner looks like someone who has survived a horrible accident and surgeons have rebuilt his face to make him resemble a human being again.

    Seen from that point of view, they've done a reasonable job.

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  62. Blacke Griffin is a "first generation cross", only in a legal point of vue. The guy is 80% caaucasian, at least...

    His father is a dark-skinned black man. Google "Blake Griffin" and "father" and view the Images tab.

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  63. I didn't realize how GAY this blog was until I read the comments on Jenner's looks.

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  64. Sheila:"Ultimately, however, they are all obviously mixtures. White genes are recessive, and the one-drop rule was predicatedly, at least partially, on the fact that "blood will out.""

    This is a common fallacy.. Americans are simply more alert to Caucasoids who exhibit non-Caucasoid facial features than they are to the reverse.

    Syon

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  65. 10 events is really diffcult since few people can do track and field events good. Field events are upper body while track events are lower body.

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  66. Field events are upper body while track events are lower body.

    The upper body motions in field events are also lower body ones. When you throw a shot put, discuss, javelin, etc. you begin by generating force with your legs. Leg and hip strength are the most important part of those movements and contribute the most. You don't throw them lying down on your back.

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  67. Steve, apparently there is a runner, Oscar Pistorius of South Africa, with "two" artificial legs who may quaify for the Olympics.

    Prosthetics have come a long way and artificial legs may actually now in some ways surpass human legs it appears.

    The article reminds me of the MIT
    presentation a couple of years ago I watched of artifical arms they created for veterans. How strong the arms were and how nimble made me think that it was only a matter of time before some people with these arms would start to compete in professional sports.


    Obviously, this is going to create a huge controversy just like performance enhancing drugs.

    Next will probably be the issue of genetic enhancements.

    The case kind of reminds me of the golfer who was permitted to use a golf cart (an artificial form of assistance) except it is now an artificial limb.

    Here is the link:

    news.yahoo.com/blade-runner-still-subject-scientists-debate-0619558...

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  68. Jody, I threw the shot and discus in high school, and I follow the shot at the Olympic level. I can't remember the last time the final eight had anybody totally clean, especially the Athens games, where all eight had been suspended for PEDs at some point in the previous 5 years.

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  69. Note to all the T&F fanboys. No one cares. You can criticize Americans for a lot of things but their boredom with Track and Field isn't one of them.

    How can any intelligent person, even a sports fan, give a rip about the 220 High hurdles or the hammer-throw or which black man can run the 100m .01 seconds faster than 10 other black men?

    Now that the USA no longer considers itself in a "cold war", we no longer care who wins the women's 1500m run. Thank God.

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  70. When the verdict was read, Robert Kardashian was standing in front of O.J. Look at it again, this time watching Kardashian's face when he hears the words "not guilty." He was O.J.'s long time friend and his attorney. Does he look happy? No, because he knew his client was guilty. Interesting, that O.J. outlived both Kardashian and Cochran..

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  71. "My guess is that being part but not fully black is helpful in the ten event decathlon: e.g., Daley Thompson"

    LOL.. you mean not being fully WHITE helps, because I only see this guy destroying all the other competitors who happen to be white from various parts of Europe. All of the best decathlon athletes have all had a mixture of black ancestry.. Even the former biracial black/Japanese champ. If Ashton Eaton was beating black athletes I would agree but he isn't because blacks have no interest in the decathlon because there's barely any $$$$$$ for the winner, and you know this.

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  72. I don't know why they choose to display interracial ads on TV. It's so typical or the societal norm for dark skinned men to attemp and cockblock white males to physical destruction in pursuit of white females. You never see white males or ads with black females. I don't value people who try to get sponsorships using their relationship like ashton eaton. The decathlon is only watched every 4 years during the olympics.

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