The New York Times quotes an expert:
“It’s shocking to hear anyone in the United States considering a solution that would make it seem more like Colombia.”
Similarly,
In Guatemala, riding a public bus is a risky business. More than 500 bus drivers have been killed in robberies since 2007, leading InSight Crime, which tracks organized crime in the Americas, to call it “the most dangerous profession on the planet.”
Wow, finally, somebody is allowed to point out that all this immigration from Latin America isn't, all else being equal, making America more like America, it's making America more like Latin America, and that's not a good thing.
Oh ... sorry ... this isn't an article about illegal immigration, which, as we all know, is impossible for the government to stop. The undocumented workers will just get 51 foot ladders to climb over any 50 foot fence, as the Obama Administration's Secretary of Homeland Security pointed out.
No, this is an op-ed about how we need more gun control laws so we aren't like Latin America. All we have to do about the 300 million or whatever guns in the U.S. is pass a few more laws and, hesto presto, problem solved.
Except, as the essay mentions, Latin America has tons of gun control laws:
THOUGH many of these [Latin American] countries have restrictions on gun ownership, enforcement is lax. According to research by Flacso, the Guatemalan Social Science Academy, illegal guns far outnumber legal weapons in Central America.
But, these examples of the failures of gun control in Latin America are irrelevant because, presumably, we all know that Latin Americans are, to be frank, incompetent screw-ups. Never mind the failures of Latin Americans, all we have to do is pass more gun control laws, because we can totally stop illegal guns. We're the United States of America, not some banana republic. We've got SEAL Team Six.
In contrast, Latin American illegal immigrants are impossible for the United States government to stop, but not because "enforcement is lax." Instead, it's because the Latin American undocumented workers are so insanely, unstoppably competent that they're like cyborgs from the future in a James Cameron movie, only with 51' ladders.
But, that's great, because America needs more vibrancy. Only that will stop these racist redneck bitter clingerers from murdering everybody with their guns.
In contrast, Latin American illegal immigrants are impossible for the United States government to stop, but not because "enforcement is lax." Instead, it's because the Latin American undocumented workers are so insanely, unstoppably competent that they're like cyborgs from the future in a James Cameron movie, only with 51' ladders.
But, that's great, because America needs more vibrancy. Only that will stop these racist redneck bitter clingerers from murdering everybody with their guns.
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I saw the title of this post on Twitter and got excited because I thought it might be something about Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.
Someday, perhaps.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/12/chuck-hagel-and-his-enemies.html#ixzz2HFEmfJyM
Well, I understand why Conseravtives or Libertarians that only theory now is low taxes like the Latins. A lot of business 'in Latin America are push cart business where you don't pay taxes or have regulations. There is a lot of red tape and paperwork for business above that level in fact California fits the description of Latin America that way a lot of no taxes and no regulations in the underground economy and a lot of red tape and regulation in above ground business.
Hey jody, Josh, the NFL lockout is over! They finally gave up on that conspiracy to keep the worlds greatest natural athletes from making LeBron James look bad!
"According to research by Flacso, the Guatemalan Social Science Academy"
At first glance, I thought the Guatemalan Social Science Academy was called Fiasco.
Spent a lot time in Brasil and I do very much love that country. Wonderful people! However, I wouldn't want some of their troubles here in the States.
For example, before some of the recent "pacification" of the Rio favelas, a fellow dressed as Santa tried to fly in in a helicopter, but was shot at and he decided not to go in. Helicopters mean feds or special forces, so in certain places their presence is discouraged :)
Before the future World Cup and Olympics, Brasil is cleaning up a lot of the bad places. And Brasil can succeed, and Brasil will succeed.
I guess I came all over dyslexic on viewing that post. Anyway, I initially read the name of the Guatemalan Social Science Academy as "Fiasco." My bad.
That depressing photo with the NYT story shows a Guatemalan town now but it also could depict, uh, East L.A. circa 2040.
Or maybe a D.C. suburb in Northern Virginia...the way things are going.
Hell it might be someplace in Iowa.
How about a NFL hbd thread! The angry mob is trying to blame coaches for RG3's meltdown today.
RG3 is the franchise player who blew out his acl in college and still the little tyrant who owns the Redskins bet the farm on the guy, a running quarterback. WINNING.
So....to keep the US from becoming a Latin American hellhole, we need to adopt the gun control policies of Latin America and continue to import more Latin Americans.
Got it!
Back in the day gangs robbing New York City subway cars and even working their way through multiple cars was not unheard of. There is a reason the partially Black jury acquitted Bernard Hugo Goetz aka the subway vigilante.
These days with atm cards robberies like that make less sense economically. I think people had nicer jewelry back then too.
My Rule of Prohibition is as follows:
Prohibiting the supply of product (X) while demand for X (Dx) is still strong among certain demographics of the population (P) will produce a black market that makes life for the entire population worse than it would have been if the supply of the X was allowed to remain legal.
If X, Dx, and P all meet certain criteria, then it's better not to prohibit X. That's why you can be logically consistent and support a ban on, say, sex trafficking or high-volume shower heads in NYC and not one on, say, drug trafficking or guns. Here are some criteria for each variable if the outcome is to NOT prohibit:
X = can be easily hidden or broken down into smaller pieces for the purposes of transportation; is not overwhelmingly dangerous to every person who uses it; does not have a lot of viable legal alternatives
Dx = especially strong and resilient
P = tend to be the seedier, tattooed/unmarried, "left-side-of-the-curve" types.
Let's look at guns:
X: Guns can be somewhat easily hidden, and can be broken down into smaller parts for the purposes of transportation. Guns can be fabricated at home, but there's nothing quite like one that's been manufactured.
Dx: Americans LOVE guns. It's part of the American identity.
P: The people who like guns may be slightly to the general left-side of "the curve" but really guns are enjoyed by just about every segment of the population except metropolitan liberal whites.
Given all this, I'd say you can say with a fair amount of objectivity that a ban on guns is a bad idea.
impossible for the United States government to stop, but because "enforcement is lax."
Shouldn't that sentence read but NOT because "enforcement is lax"? Or the next sentence (and the irony) doesn't work. I think.
10-20 million illegals = impossible to deport them all. Do the math with how many buses it would take to send them back!
300 million guns = let's use the government to round them all up by force.
This is one of the rare things in which the US could be more like Canada.
Canada, as you mention in the previous post, at least seems to have some kind of selection of more qualified immigrants, while the US just has a "diversity lottery" and
incentives for low-skilled illegal immigrants who get benefits instead of deportation. It is almost as if the US government *wanted* low-skilled labor and voters... Oh, wait...
Regarding RG3, he had no business being in the game after the 2nd quarter. He was clearly injured and unable to play at the level they needed him to
Hey jody, Josh, the NFL lockout is over! They finally gave up on that conspiracy to keep the worlds greatest natural athletes from making LeBron James look bad!
Truth, that has to be one of the worst typos ever.
How about a NFL hbd thread! The angry mob is trying to blame coaches for RG3's meltdown today.
RG3 is the franchise player who blew out his acl in college and still the little tyrant who owns the Redskins bet the farm on the guy, a running quarterback. WINNING.
He is a pass-first QB. And he didn't melt down; he got hurt today. What planet are you on?
Steve, I think the relevant comparison is between NYC, Vancouver, and Los Angeles.
I point you to the following article on Vancouver having much higher rates of burglary than NYC
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/12/16/bc-progress-board-report-crime-poverty.html
Steve, I believe in the 2nd ammendment... that being said, you can't blame the sky high burglary rate in Vancouver on lack of guns. the average home owner in Vancouver is MORE likely to have a gun than the average home owner in NYC. Despite this, Vancouver has more burglaries per capita.
I think the real issue is that if you are a burglar that gets repeatedly caught in Vancouver you almost NEVER go to prison while if you are caught repeatedly burglarizing in NYC you do go to prison. To me it is as simple as that. Could i ask other people to chime in.. do other people attribute the massive burglary rate in vancouver to prison policies?
When you compare the overall burglary rate of Vancouver to the overall burglary rate in NYC you see that Vancouver has a much higher burglary rate.
But when you normalize for the races, the Vancouver rate seems to be at least four times as high as the NYC rate.
Let me explain. It is common knowledge that the majority of burglaries in NYC are committed by blacks and hispanics. Non hispanic whites have a very low burglary rate in NYC.
But Vancouver has essentially no blacks and no hispanics. therefore the burglaries in Vancouver are mostly being done by non hispanic whites. Do the math, if the overall burglary rate in vancouver is 2x that means that whites in vancouver are more than 4x as likely to commit burglaries as whites in nyc.
if anyone else has a different interpretation please let me know.
I think that this is clear evidence that building prisons for burglars makes perfect sense and I support such prison construction.
Enjoyed the tone of this post.
Did you have lunch with Mark Steyn?
Back in the day gangs robbing New York City subway cars and even working their way through multiple cars was not unheard of. There is a reason the partially Black jury acquitted Bernard Hugo Goetz aka the subway vigilante.
Awesome summary of the case here:
http://articles.philly.com/1987-06-21/news/26183421_1_district-attorney-gregory-waples-goetz-on-four-counts-troy-canty/2
Guns didn't blow up the economy in 2008. Gee, I wonder why our regulation of Wall Street gangsters has been so lax.
I wonder why the media didn't do its job of exposing the crooks.
Instead, media cheered on Obama as he recruited the very gangsters to run the economy.
"Truth, that has to be one of the worst typos ever."
Oops, my bad. Of course I meant "NHL", a sport so demanding of natural athleticism, that RGIII, RWI, etc. could never even hope to play.
[QUOTE]But, that's great, because America needs more vibrancy. Only that will stop these racist redneck bitter clingerers from murdering everybody with their guns.[/QUOTE]
Those racist rednecks that are murdering everybody in Detroit, Flint, Chicago, New Orleans, Baltimore, Oakland, etc look extremely tanned.
They probably go to the tanning salon before they commit their murders.
"Guns don't kill people, peoples kill people. Especially Latin Americans and sub-Saharan Africans."
On the contrary, Old Bean, guns do kill people. Guns do a very good job of killing people; perhaps that's why, for centuries, soldiers have been armed with them, rather than, say whiffle ball bats.
RE: number of guns in Latin America
According to the op-ed article below (favoring gun control...), Brazil has 20 million guns -- and a 21.5 murder rate (per 100.000 inhabitants). Moreover, at least two thirds (probably more) of the guns in Brazil are illegally owned, since the country recently instituted strong laws restricting the use of guns. (Didn't stop the criminals.)
The US has many more guns (270 million on last count), but a murder rate of only 5.1.
Still, even in Brazil authorities want “more gun control”, as if that would help anything over there (drug dealers use Army rifles and grenades, obviously illegally obtained):
http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/opinion-editorial/opinion/brazil-needs-to-double-down-on-responsible-gun-control/
I will write down some more thoughts about it on my blog later on...
"But Vancouver has essentially no blacks and no hispanics. therefore the burglaries in Vancouver are mostly being done by non hispanic whites. Do the math, if the overall burglary rate in vancouver is 2x that means that whites in vancouver are more than 4x as likely to commit burglaries as whites in nyc."
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Vancouver is about 1/3 white, 1/3 Chinese, and 1/3 Sikh. (it was almost 100% white when I was born there in 1955, then Trudeau got elected)
There are burglars in all three groups. The Chinese tend to specialize in home invasions of other Chinese, who apparently sometimes keep cash or valuables in their homes because they don't trust banks, or something.
Sikhs are into gangs.
And the legal system is a complete screw up. It is a revolving door. But I didn't realize Vancouver had a high rate of break ins compared to NYC.
When Canadians complain about our impotent legal system leftist do-gooder types always point out that having long jail sentences doesn't seem to help the crime rate in the US. There is much more crime in the US than in Canada, they say, despite the long jail sentences!
But of course if the US had as few blacks and Hispanics as Canada it would have far LESS crime than Canada.
[QUOTE]The US has many more guns (270 million on last count), but a murder rate of only 5.1.[/QUOTE]
The per capita murder rate in the U.S would be even lower than 5.1 if most of the big cities in this country were as White as Portland, Oregon.
But most big cities in the U.S are predominantly "diverse" and predominantly Non Asian Minority (NAM) "diverse" to be more specific.
Most of the " vibrant diversity" in America's big cities unfortunately look like Trayvon Martin and not Tia Carrere the hot Asian chick from "Wayne's World".
Brazil needs to ban the favelas and the "people" that live in them, not guns.
'Elite Squad' is a movie about corruption and gangs in Rio, if you want a taste.
That flattr button looks lonely - hopefully I'll get around to sending some money Steve's way via these anonymous pre-paid cards you can get in OfficeMax.
"I saw the title of this post on Twitter and got excited because I thought it might be something about Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. "
ah, a man after my own heart.
republicans could learn a thing or two from him,
"The Rock: After three boring minutes The Rock says Know Your Roll and Shut Your Mouth! How dare you little Jabroni come on The Rock's show, and not even have the class to introduce yourself. What is your name?
Chris Jericho: I told you...!
The Rock: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS! "
IT DOESN"T MATTER WHAT YOU LIBERALS THINK OF THE GUN LAWS!
Do the math, if the overall burglary rate in vancouver is 2x that means that whites in vancouver are more than 4x as likely to commit burglaries as whites in nyc."
Most of the homes worth breaking into have doormen.
The city of Vancouver has more burglaries per capita than New York? With a black population of <%1? Very interesting! HBD spin control guys, have at it...I don't know if I can help you out here.
In places with significant white or East Asian majorities - Germany, Poland, the UK, Australia, Canada,Japan, etc. - gun control laws work pretty well. Responsible people are allowed to own guns, and competent police forces generally do a good job of keeping guns out of potential criminals' hands. Of course, as non-white immigration continues into these countries, gun control seems to be getting less effective - as the rise in crime in the UK shows.
Gun control works in Europe because your ordinary low IQ person who needs to knock over a convenience store or mug someone to finance a fix is too lazy and unorganized to do the work necessary to find a gun in a country like Germany. Most crime is committed by people who don't plan ahead. The culture of street gangs in places like Brazil, Mexico or Columbia (or inner city Baltimore or LA) undermines this rationale for gun control - street gangs have motivated organized individuals who acquire guns for their own purposes and then make it easy for even low IQ people with a criminal bent to get firearms.
Vancouver, WA has pockets of lower-income slums in the city. They tend to be responsible for quite a bit of the crime.
Truth - in the UK too burglary tends to be a white thing, often by underclass/addict types. Like Canada, UK has weak sentencing for such crimes.
Where black youth predominate street robbery seems to be modus operandi - it tends to attract prison sentences where the perpetrators are adults, but it's mostly teenagers.
For both burglary and mugging, teenagers are most unlikely to be imprisoned, because the authorities daren't risk them becoming habitual criminals ;-)
A few of you have quoted the US homicide rate at 5.1/100,000. It isn't. It's 4.1/100,000.
If Heartiste was reading this blog, he would I am sure pick out "Truth" as an exemplar of platinum level game. Truth has an air of bemused detatchment. In effect, Truth is communicating that he is "poolside" Good job, Truth.
I all honesty, The rate of burglary and many other crimes is dramatically higher in Vancouver than in NYC. For non violent property crimes, the rate in Vancouver actually exceeds places like Los Angeles.
Not only does vancouver have essentially no blacks, it also has essentially no hispanics. What vancouver (and I am talking about Vancouver British Columbia) demonstrates is that if you set up a society where there are very few consequences to breaking in to parked cars or burglarizing houses, huge numbers of white teenagers will engage in those crimes.
Sort of like Lord of the Flies
I am not an expert on Vancouver, but my recollection is that the whites in the city are very heavily segregated by income / wealth / education
that is to say, West of downtown is generally occupied by educated, high iq, civilized, polite, higher income whites and East of downtown is generally occupied by whites that exhibit the opposite characteristics.
Also, there is a train system that runs East of downtown but no train at all West of downtown.
A visitor to Vancouver that stays in all the many neighborhoods west of downtown all the way to UBC will see very few violent prole whites, but a visitor to vancouver that visits all the many neighborhoods East of downtown will see thousands of slovenly prole whites, of the sort of white people that rioted and destroyed the downtown of vancouver recently.
Could I ask anyone that knows vancouver a little better than me to clarify this thank you
And Vancouver's long standing reputaton as the the heroin capital of Canada doesn't help in terms of burglaries either.
Fracking is used a lot in Kern County, naturally the enviromentalists are up in arms. Granted, California has problems with a water supply and the Frackers don't always recycle and Kern is salty water but the farming industry is complaing. Personality if fracking could get rid of the farms in Bakersfield that would be a good thing, since the farms hire illegal immirgants while the drilling hires the native born.Kern County like counties in So Calif could say good bye to farming. The oil companies could buy out the farms.
"Nostalgic Futurist said...
The US has many more guns (270 million on last count), but a murder rate of only 5.1."
Moreover, the murder rate of white America is only about 1.5 per 100,000 - about the same as Canada or Belgium. And the majority of those 270 million guns are owned by whites.
Wow, and the ethnicity of the author is surprise, too.
Thanks to that traitor Trudeau, Vancouver is now a largely non-white city. So don't blame whites for its crime rates and burglaries. Much of its violent crime is Asians, the brown ones not Orientals.
As commented above, the US has far more guns per capita than any Latin American country, and yet a far lower gun homicide rate:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list
My mistake. I thought we were talking about Vancouver, WA, which is a pretty white city with elevated levels of crime. My comment about Vancouver WA having quite a few pockets of crime-prone underclass whites is valid. You don't need NAMs for crime.
Spokane city is also fairly white and has quite a bit of both violent and property crime, mainly due to the large white underclass in the inner city. Everett, WA has a crime problem despite few blacks.
Generally speaking, NAMs tend to perpetrate the overwhelming bulk of the urban crime. However, remove them from the population, and you get a lot of low-income/substance-abusing whites who come in and create lots of mayhem themselves. Their problems center more around drugs, alcohol, addiction, domestic abuse, property crime. Violent crime occurs, yes, but to a lesser extent than a black ghetto - and tends more towards assault/robbery rather than homicide and shootings. They're not as scary as NAMs, but they're in much worse shape actually, thanks to their rampant alcohol and drug problems. They also have a strong tendency towards nihilism. Observe their music (insane clown possee, Metal music, Grunge) and compare it to black music (rap, hip hop). Blacks are ostentatiously materialistic and violent, but underclass whites are really messed in the head.
The New York Times noted that life expectancy among white high-school dropouts has fallen quite a bit, while black/Hispanic dropouts are living longer. Contrary to what many here might think, a white ghetto is much more unhealthy place than a NAM ghetto.
Anonymous said..."My mistake. I thought we were talking about Vancouver, WA, which is a pretty white city with elevated levels of crime. My comment about Vancouver WA having quite a few pockets of crime-prone underclass whites is valid. You don't need NAMs for crime.
Spokane city is also fairly white and has quite a bit of both violent and property crime, mainly due to the large white underclass in the inner city."
What is it with the Northwest? The whites seem to be a notch below other places. Whenever the TV show "Cops" realizes all they've been showing is blacks in places like Kansas City, For Lauderdale, or wherever getting locked up, they'll diversify and head to Portland or someplace like that and show lots of long-haired white idiots getting locked up. Meth, beating up their women, shooting the neighbor's dog, that sort of stuff. And for some reason, they're always walking around shirtless. I've been to Portland, its not particularly warm. Maybe its the meth...
Spent a lot time in Brasil and I do very much love that country. Wonderful people! However, I wouldn't want some of their troubles here in the States.
For example, before some of the recent "pacification" of the Rio favelas, a fellow dressed as Santa tried to fly in in a helicopter, but was shot at and he decided not to go in. Helicopters mean feds or special forces, so in certain places their presence is discouraged :)
Before the future World Cup and Olympics, Brasil is cleaning up a lot of the bad places. And Brasil can succeed, and Brasil will succeed.
As a Brazilian and Carioca(RIO liver) I can attest Brazil is more dangerous and violent than its ever been. Don´t believe the statistics or the claim that they´re clearing out the riffraff.
"The city of Vancouver has more burglaries per capita than New York? With a black population of <%1? Very interesting! HBD spin control guys, have at it...I don't know if I can help you out here."
Guatemala and Honduras have ~2% black population as well, and yet have high murder rates. New Guinea also has negligible numbers of blacks. This proves that having a high percentage of blacks is not a necessary condition for having a high crime rate. If any of you live in Detroit, this fact should be a big relief to you.
"In places with significant white or East Asian majorities - Germany, Poland, the UK, Australia, Canada,Japan, etc. - gun control laws work pretty well. Responsible people are allowed to own guns, and competent police forces generally do a good job of keeping guns out of potential criminals' hands. Of course, as non-white immigration continues into these countries, gun control seems to be getting less effective - as the rise in crime in the UK shows."
I don't see much evidence for gun control having any effect. Homicide rates of countries of similar ethnicities cluster together. In low homicide countries, gun control functions much like elephant repellent, with the identical argument - few homicides/elephants around: "See, it works!".
" Truth has an air of bemused detatchment. In effect, Truth is communicating that he is "poolside" Good job, Truth."
Thank you very much, my friend. I actually like Heartiste's writing; and I did write a few posts last year from the Fountainbleu in Miami.
" Contrary to what many here might think, a white ghetto is much more unhealthy place than a NAM ghetto."
I'm not sure I'm ready to go that far.
I have to wonder if Vancouver police are exceptionally incompetent. It took the Vancouver police about 20 years to apprehend Robert Pickton, and the brass there were in denial about the existence of a serial killer there in the early stages, while the women were going missing.
"Moreover, the murder rate of white America is only about 1.5 per 100,000"
I'd like to see your source for this, or your workings. I've worked it out as 2.1/100k, but that's using a figure for Hispanics that I'm not sure is valid for the entire USA. A rate of 2 for white America is well within European norms, considering that in the USA you have a mix of the different Europeans, the less violent Western, Northern Germanic, Southern Europeans... and the more violent Eastern and Baltic Europeans.
This is interesting:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6001a14.htm
Also, the US intentional homicide rate is listed as 4.8 here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
As a Brazilian and Carioca(RIO liver) I can attest Brazil is more dangerous and violent than its ever been
Enough of this nonsense. The mere fact of living somewhere in no way endows you with any special ability to "detect" the rate of violent crime.
The simple fact is homicide is down significantly in Rio over the last ten years. And if the general pattern of violent crime correlating with homicide holds, other violent crimes are likely down significantly too.
Violent crime is generally down in the more industrialized southeast of Brazil, but has been skyrocketing in certain, previously relatively peaceful, northeastern cities. See mapadaviolencia.org.br
Part of Vancouver's problem is that it attracts a lot of drug addicts and people with mental health issues from every other region of Canada because of its mild winter climate - at least by Canadian standards. The Downtown east side in Vancouver, is Canada's poorest postal code.
Truth has an air of bemused detatchment. In effect, Truth is communicating that he is "poolside" Good job, Truth.
He plays cool, but inside he is seething. Why else troll a hbd blog with (typically highly nonsensical) anti-hbd snark?
Can anyone help me out here? I know that whites in Vancouver are more than 4x as likely to choose to burglarize my house than whites in Los Angeles or NYC.
Are there substantial numbers of white male teens that grow up upper middle class on the west side of vancouver that decide to burglarize houses, or is it almost exclusively the low IQ "prole" whites from east vancouver that do the burglarizing?
"What is it with the Northwest? The whites seem to be a notch below other places. Whenever the TV show "Cops" realizes all they've been showing is blacks in places like Kansas City, For Lauderdale, or wherever getting locked up, they'll diversify and head to Portland or someplace like that and show lots of long-haired white idiots getting locked up. Meth, beating up their women, shooting the neighbor's dog, that sort of stuff. And for some reason, they're always walking around shirtless. I've been to Portland, its not particularly warm.
I'm less familiar with Portland, to be honest. In Seattle, there's a problem with drug-adddicted white transients, but the general white population is well behaved. In Washington, white slums tend to proliferate in a lot of the outlying cities (Everett, Bremerton, Port Angeles, Spokane, Vancouver) with few blacks.
Underclass whites are known not so much for homicide and gangland shootings. More for drugs, alcohol, domestic situations, property crime, and random stupid stuff. On the surface they may seem like harmless idiots, but their substance abuse is severe. I recall that one study found that residents of white urban ghettos tended to be more estranged from mainstream society than those in black ghettos.
Overall PNW whites are incarcerated at a pretty low rate, but there seems to be a tendency for some of our rifraff to drift to the cities (except Seattle and south King County).
Maybe its the meth..."
The Pacific Northwest has lots of meth users. Snohomish County (north of Seattle) and Medford, Oregon (often called "Methford") are infamous for meth labs. Lots of that meth seems to up flowing beyond Washington and Oregon, and into the other PNW states.
Meth is to underclass whites what crack cocaine is to underclass blacks.
"I'm not sure I'm ready to go that far."
Life expectancy dropped substantially among white high school dropouts, but rose for Hispanic and black dropouts. You almost never hear anything like that happening in first world countries. There's got to be something really bad going on among low-income whites.
As I stated above, my guess is the drugs, alcohol, and unhealthy culture. I should add in tobacco too.
Lower-income blacks have a culture which revolves basketball, rap, and hip hop. It's a violent and crassly materialistic culture, but it's at least a culture. It also has some more wholesome aspect to it too (reverence for the black Church, pride in being black, using sports and music as a tool for upward mobility, etc.) Lower-income whites have no such culture.... it's just a lot of jugaloos (google this word), pill popping, fume inhaling, tweaking, meth, and drunkenness. No sports or musical aspiration, no white pride, no local charismatic Al Sharpton-type minister, no solidarity with successful brothers who "made it out". It's a really nihilistic existence and, in my view, mentally unhealthy.
Compare Eminem to 50 Cent. Mr. Cent has been shot quite a few times and has baby mamma drama going on, but he's at least enjoying the ride. In comparison, Eminem is just angry, bitter, and pyschologically messed up. Eminem also disses his mama a lot, which is something blacks don't do.
Here are my thoughts, in case anyone cares:
http://nostalgicfuturist.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/the-war-on-guns/
It seems to me that Rio (preparing for Olympics and Soccer games) may have reduced its crime with more police presence in the favelas, but the criminals didn't just disappear, they ran away to other States and now they are robbing banks with explosives in the previously more quiet Southern states:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/brazil/121230/brazil-thieves-take-9-hostages-attempted-jewelry-robbery
Yes, explosives. Maybe what we need is "explosive control".
Mexicans also like Meth, that why it started in Frenso.
Not certain about blacks but low income hispanics out live upper middle class whites. So, certain group of minorites live longer anyway.
La/Orange/San Diego have a small white underclass because its expensive to live that's why stealing is worst in London.
Truth has an air of bemused detachment.
You must mean amused.
Bemused: 1. To cause to be bewildered; confuse. See Synonyms at daze. 2. To cause to be engrossed in thought.
It's a common mistake. Wait, since you like Truth so much, make that "It's a common mistake, sport."
The culture of the Pacific Northwest is extremely liberal, so I am not surprised that there is a high percentage of White trash drug addicts in that region.
Liberalism does not judge and look down people who decide to become drug addicts. It is not very libertine to have a negative opinion of drug culture. If it feels good, do it.
I don't see much evidence for gun control having any effect. Homicide rates of countries of similar ethnicities cluster together.
Conversely there is no evidence that widespread gun ownership has any relation to "liberty" or reducing crime in general - that also seems to depend far more on ethnicity. Both the pro- and anti-gun advocates are far too emotionally invested in the idea of guns being something special, whether for good or evil. The whole gun debate is a destraction from the issue no one wants to talk about - HBD.
"Conversely there is no evidence that widespread gun ownership has any relation to "liberty" or reducing crime in general - that also seems to depend far more on ethnicity."
You are correct on the crime. As far as liberty goes, it seems as if we have become more and more boiled-frog like in terms of liberties removed from us. I do think the widespread existence of guns keeps the government from doing anything too egregious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gwLQAuHJv8
He talks like michael jackson.
and humble unlike rappers.
What if marvin gaye, hendrix, otis redding, wilson pickett, ray charles, and stevie wonder had been born in 1990. would they have been rappers?
As for drugs there just as many conservatives hook as libeals. There are a lot of sober libreals its just the liberals favor legalizatoin more. For instance a lot of the hippies in the 1960's came from average joe backgrounds and their parents opposed drugs. Conservatives are manily in the south and blacks and hispanics have there probelms as well. Personality I would rather live in Oregon than Texas since it would be nice to be in an area with less Mexicans.
"He plays cool, but inside he is seething..."
LOL, Deep, deep, DEEP down inside.
"Anonymous said...
""Moreover, the murder rate of white America is only about 1.5 per 100,000""
I'd like to see your source for this, or your workings."
I got it from gun watch:
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com
I was unable to find the specific article in a cursory google search, but it's in there somewhere. He arrived at this number using data from the seventy-five most populous counties in the US. He used the county-wide data as it broke out non-white hispanics separate from whites, which the national FBI statistics don't (or at least, didn't used to). This represented about half the murders in the US, so it is a sample, however a large one, and not unrepresentative. However, the number you quoted, of 2.1 / 100,000, now makes me wonder.
Thanks for the link you posted. I intend to look into this in greater detail myself.
I guess I came all over dyslexic on viewing that post.
*Hands Dyslexic a sanitary napkin*
The city of Vancouver has more burglaries per capita than New York? With a black population of <%1? Very interesting! HBD spin control guys, have at it...I don't know if I can help you out here.
This cracker feels compelled to admit he'd strongly consider burglary if it wasn't punished with imprisonment.
If Heartiste was reading this blog, he would I am sure pick out "Truth" as an exemplar of platinum level game. Truth has an air of bemused detatchment. In effect, Truth is communicating that he is "poolside" Good job, Truth.
And practicing game on a bunch of dudes definitely ain't gay.
What's with all the semi-literate posts from Anonymous, lately?
Take your meds, Anonymous.
"Homicide rates of countries of similar ethnicities cluster together."
On that note, I believe Jared Taylor claimed once that the crime rates of Japanese and Japanese-Americans are basically the same, even though America is awash in guns and Japan has some of the strictest gun control on earth.
[QUOTE]What if marvin gaye, hendrix, otis redding, wilson pickett, ray charles, and stevie wonder had been born in 1990. would they have been rappers?[/QUOTE]
Most likely, because almost every Black male music artist of today's generation is a rapper.
Most Black male music artists who are not rappers, are over the age of 50.
Gun control is working very well in Mexico. Invite gun control, become the third world.
@Steve Sailer
"Wow, finally, somebody is allowed to point out that all this immigration from Latin America isn't, all else being equal, making America more like America, it's making America more like Latin America, and that's not a good thing."
The same could be said about Irish or Italian immigration in the late 19th and early 20th century. You act like those were highly civilized, First World societies infinitely better than Mexico. Ever heard of the Cosa Nostra? What about the Irish? They were dirt poor and with a serious tendency towards violence. They came to América because tbey were starving at home due to the Potato Famine. Evr see the film "Gangs Of New York"? The Irish were at least as violent and probably more than current Latin Americans.
Following your line of (stupid)logic, Irish and Italian immigration should naver have been allowed to the U.S, since that would make America more like those societies in those times, which is definitely not a good thing.
There is no logical correlation beween the level of economic development of the countries that immigrants come from and how well they will fair economically in the U.S. This is obvious since Americans of Socilian desent are today 100 X wealthier than their ancestors back in the 19th century, and more than twice as wealthy as contemporary Sicílianns. América has a diferente econimic system than most countries, one which allows much grater social and economic mobility than what is normal.
"Are there substantial numbers of white male teens that grow up upper middle class on the west side of vancouver that decide to burglarize houses, or is it almost exclusively the low IQ "prole" whites from east vancouver that do the burglarizing?"
If you had read the comments you would know that many of the whites that burglarize homes/cars are drug addicted/transient whites that have settled there from other parts of Canada. There is also a substantial amount of burglary/home invasion done by South Asians and Natives there. There are actually very few whites, especially young whites, in east Vancouver left. There is a group of drug addicted whites though in the downtown eastside of Vancouver that has existed for decades. It is basically an open air drug market.
Reply to Corn said..
Actually Japanese-American crime rates are only about 40% of what they are in Japan. Both groups are very low overall.
What makes the total higher in Japan is the presence of the Yakuza - Japanese criminal syndicates, which have never really established themselves in the USA.
"Following your line of (stupid)logic, Irish and Italian immigration should naver have been allowed to the U.S, since that would make America more like those societies in those times, which is definitely not a good thing."
As an American citizen who's ancestry is half-Irish, I'm glad America did permit Irish immigration in the mid and late 19th century. However, if Congress had chose to limit or curtail it, I fully recognize that as their right.
And not to be too insensitive, but let's be honest. As Michael Barone pointed out in "The New Americans", if the Irish started to show up in your town in the 19th century, it was bad news. It meant more poverty, street crime, and in those days before modern sanitation or antibiotics, maybe even an outbreak of cholera.
Gangs of New York is not History.
I'm pretty much completely Irish by descent, and in the 19th century we were BAD NEWS.
Which goes to show you America works if it's allowed to, it's not being allowed to...however I'll say this for the Irish Americans. They seem to love the place more than A) certain other immigrant groups that seem to feel America - and everyone else - must pay for the sins of the Tsar and his Cossacks and B) certain High Church WASPs.
Nick Diaz said,,,,
"Ev[e]r see the film "Gangs of New York"?
Sorry to rain on your parade chap, but a fictional Hollywood film is hardly an example of real history.
You do understand this was a movie right? You do understand there are differences between Hollywood films and historical documentaries right?
By the way, America was under no legal or moral obligation to accept Irish immigration at that time. It was wise of the USA to do so, since Irish people have assimilated very well into American society. Nor did they get any of the things handed to them via the American taxpayer as immigrants and aliens now do. But the USA would have been ENTIRERLY within its rights in turning off the tap if it had wanted to.
[QUOTE] The Irish were at least as violent and probably more than current Latin Americans.[/QUOTE]
I doubt very much that the Irish were ever more violent than current Latin Americans.
Latin American nations dominate the list of countries with the highest per capita murder rates in the world.
Compare the per capita murder rate in Ireland to that of Latin American countries like Venezuela, Mexico, Colombia, Puerto Rico, El Salvador, Brazil, and Honduras for example.
Latin Americans are not exactly known for being Model Minorities.
You would have to be on crack if you believe people in Dublin are on average more violent than people in Caracas which is considered one of the murder capitals of the world.
Anonymous 8:06 PM
"Sorry to rain on your parade chap, but a fictional Hollywood film is hardly an example of real history.
You do understand this was a movie right? You do understand there are differences between Hollywood films and historical documentaries right?"
I used "Gangs Of New York" as an example, because it is a very realistic film that is merely semi-fictional. My example stands: the Irish in late 19th century América were considered poor, uneducated and violent.
"By the way, America was under no legal or moral obligation to accept Irish immigration at that time. It was wise of the USA to do so, since Irish people have assimilated very well into American society. Nor did they get any of the things handed to them via the American taxpayer as immigrants and aliens now do. But the USA would have been ENTIRERLY within its rights in turning off the tap if it had wanted to."
MY POINT EXACTLY. The Irish immigrants in the late 19th century caused the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS that Latino immigrants cause today, exept more. And just like the Irish assimilated and became more afluent and less violent with time, there is no evidence that this won't ocur with Latino immigrants as well.
"Life expectancy dropped substantially among white high school dropouts, but rose for Hispanic and black dropouts. You almost never hear anything like that happening in first world countries. There's got to be something really bad going on among low-income whites." - There is. Their society turned against them. restore pre-1960s conditions, and you'll see universal employment and marriage amoung this demographic.
"Following your line of (stupid)logic, Irish and Italian immigration should naver have been allowed to the U.S, since that would make America more like those societies in those times, which is definitely not a good thing." Irish/Italian immigration was shut down after a relatively short period of time, never so much as approached the solid percentages we have from Mexico today(immigration came from large swaths of europe, no single nation was in a position to dominate it), and the people therein were in effect totally divorced from their own culture. Don't compare apples and oranges here, Mass mexican immigration is different from what has passed before in more ways than simply race, though as per HBD, it is absurd to pretend that demographics/regression to mean isn't central to what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen.
"Which goes to show you America works if it's allowed to" - Left of bell curve Irish immigrated, their grandkids regressed rightwards. Its not going to work that way for other groups, as 150 years of data on hispanics in America show. Unlike blacks they can't claim discrimination either, hispanics were considered white until they demanded a non-white racial classification of their own.
"Following your line of (stupid)logic, Irish and Italian immigration should naver have been allowed to the U.S, since that would make America more like those societies in those times, which is definitely not a good thing."
Let's flip it. What real benefits have Irish and Italian immigration brought to America, other than cusine and better bars? We know what the downsides were - dramatic growth in organized crime, which is still with us today; dramatic increase in government corruption - still with us today; both groups, to this day, have maintained strong ethnic identies over many generations as hyphenated Americans (unlike the earlier German, English, Dutch etc.) undermining national cohesiveness and creating a horrible precedent for later groups to follow; at least in New England these groups have contributed to undermining the spirit of thrift, modesty and concern with the common welfare that used to be an integral part of our regional identity. Of course there have been some amazing individuals from both ethnic groups who have made significant contributions to American culture, but we are talking about "on average" here.
On that note, I believe Jared Taylor claimed once that the crime rates of Japanese and Japanese-Americans are basically the same, even though America is awash in guns and Japan has some of the strictest gun control on earth.
I forget who/where, but someone (less eminent) recently claimed that Japanese-Americans have a lower crime rate than Japanese. Someone at Amren who lived in Japan, I think.
What makes the total higher in Japan is the presence of the Yakuza - Japanese criminal syndicates, which have never really established themselves in the USA.
Which, if I had to guess, has something to do with the fact that in Japan, the Yakuza have only to compete with other Japanese. Plays better to their strengths to pursue other avenues in the diaspora.
The Irish experience has been so politicized in America, I'd hesitate to use it to make too many parallels. That said, there's no real substance to the idea that the Irish experience proves or even implies much about mestizos in the present context.
The Irish are the Irish. Mestizos are mestizos. That's kinda the point of HBD, no?
[QUOTE]And just like the Irish assimilated and became more afluent and less violent with time, there is no evidence that this won't ocur with Latino immigrants as well.[/QUOTE]
The reason why Latino immigrants will not be as successful as the Irish when it comes to assimilating, is because the vast majority of Latino immigrants who are crossing the border to get into this country are Brown and not White like the Irish.
No Brown group has ever successfully assimilated into mainstream U.S society. Brown individuals yes, but not Brown people as a whole.
Go to any Latino neighborhood, and you will no doubt hear more Spanish than English being spoken. These people as a group are not assimilating.
I do not ever see the day where English will be the dominant language spoken in Latino neighborhoods/barrios. Especially with there being no end in sight when it comes to the constant flow of illegals pouring into this country from south of the border.
[QUOTE]The Irish are the Irish. Mestizos are mestizos. That's kinda the point of HBD, no?[/QUOTE]
Other than Catholicism, the Irish and the Spanish speaking Amerindians/Mestizos have nothing in common.
Conan O'Brien would stick out like a sore thumb in a Mexican neighborhood in South Central Los Angeles, and George Lopez would stick out like a sore thumb in a Irish neighborhood in Boston.
Plus Mestiza/Amerindian women on average become mothers at a much earlier age than Irish women. Your average Chicana mother becomes pregnant in her teen years.
So it is definitely NOT like looking in the mirror when it comes to the Irish and the "vibrant diversity" south of the border Hispanics.
Nick Diaz..
"The Irish immigrants in the late 19th century caused the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS as Latino immigrants do today except more."
I beg to differ. I very strongly do not agree. First most Irish would have at least been familiar with the English language. Nor were thay entitled to, or did they receive all the government freebies that Latinos today get - and EXPECT to get.
"And just like the Irish assimilated and became more affluent and less violent with time, there is no evidence this won't occur with Latino immigrants as well".
I also beg to differ. I would say there is no evidence that it WILL happen. Most Latin American countries share certain common denominators. Poverty, corruption, political instability and lots of crime. In the 115 years Puerto Rico has been associated with the United States, it has never been Anglicized in any measure or switched from Spanish to English speaking. I also think that Irish people have a higher AVERAGE I.Q. then Mestizios and Indios from Latin America. Mexicans also move into an area of the USA that is geographically contiguous to the USA unlike the Irish who were an ocean away. Some Mexicans hold irredentist views too. The Irish immigration was also all LEGAL immigration unlike that from Mexico. Finally even a fully assimilated Mestizio-Latin American will be visually distinctive from other people in the USA. Latin America has a color continuum over 500 years old.
Life expectancy dropped substantially among white high school dropouts, but rose for Hispanic and black dropouts....
White high school dropouts are almost inevitably rejects from white society. That's the difference. Hispanic and black HS dropouts are not. I have no stats on hand of HS graduation rates of the three "races", but even if graduating is normal for blacks and hispanics the dropouts are not rejects in the same way as the white ones.
Rejection, "The Lucifer Effect", is the key. Graduation from high school may or may not be the deciding factor. It really has more to do with personality and mentality than with academic performance anyway. Being mentally challenged is not a sin in white society. Being "different" is.
Lower-income blacks have a culture which revolves basketball, rap, and hip hop. It's a violent and crassly materialistic culture, but it's at least a culture.
Good point. And black society has far more solidarity than white society, excluding of course white ethnic enclaves such as Italians.
It also has some more wholesome aspect to it too (reverence for the black Church, pride in being black, using sports and music as a tool for upward mobility, etc.)
And their family, like their race, loves them.
Lower-income whites have no such culture.... it's just a lot of jugaloos (google this word), pill popping, fume inhaling, tweaking, meth, and drunkenness. No sports or musical aspiration,
Other than being a streetcorner musician.
no white pride, no local charismatic Al Sharpton-type minister
No mainstream religion that might appeal to them, either. Most white churches don't want 'em stinking up their lily-white antiseptic pews. And the white churches that do want them are too rigid and authoritarian.
no solidarity with successful brothers who "made it out".
Their successful brothers, and the successful dog-eat-dog white society, have rejected them.
It's a really nihilistic existence and, in my view, mentally unhealthy.
And yet whites talk and preach so much about so-called mental health, and force it upon others.
Eminem also disses his mama a lot, which is something blacks don't do.
Blacks, hispanics, and other minorities love their children. Whites, WASPS most of all, do not. They love their money and abstract moral ideals more than their own children.
[QUOTE] In the 115 years Puerto Rico has been associated with the United States, it has never been Anglicized in any measure or switched from Spanish to English speaking.[/QUOTE]
If Puerto Rico was a U.S state, it would be the state with the highest per capita murder rate in the entire country.
Puerto Rico's per capita murder rate is even higher than Louisiana's per capita murder rate.
Puerto Rico would also be the poorest if it officially became a state, even poorer than Mississippi.
Anyone who thinks the Mexicans and other Latins will behave like Irish-Americans today is delusional. The last time I checked there were not 40,000 people murdered by cartels in Ireland. Nor do I think anyone will ever mistake George Lopez for a paddy.
To Jefferson said...
Good points. So why doesn't America unload this albatross before it is too late and it winds up becoming a state? As a Canadian I have never understood why the U.S. hangs on to this place. And also let me warn you that having a majority Spanish speaking state could be just the Trojan horse needed to implement Canada-style official bilingualism on America. Then you'll really have trouble on your hands. Unilingual English speaking Americans will be disadvantaged for life.
[QUOTE]Nor do I think anyone will ever mistake George Lopez for a paddy.[/QUOTE]
George Lopez can not even pass for a Portuguese person, let alone pass for an Irish Paddy.
George Lopez has Amerindian ancestry written all over his face. He looks like he belongs in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film.
"George Lopez could not even pass for a Portuguese person. He looks like he belongs in Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film".
What always struck me was his tv sitcom show The George Lopez Show. He is easily and by far the brownest person on it. All his 'relatives' and other cast members have noticeably less Amerindian DNA then he does.
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