Yeah, it was tough for White Hispanics.I mean, just look at the horrible lives that they had to lead in Anglo America:
David Farragut: poor man, his naval career went nowhere.
Leander Perez: I'm sure that we all recall how the Klan lynched him for trying to pass as a White man.
Aida, Rita, and Mercedes de Acosta: Driven from high society when their Latin blood was found out.
Luis Alvarez:Expelled from the University of Chicago when somebody figured out he was Hispanic. Real shame, he was so bright. Heck, if he had been Anglo, he might have even won a Nobel prize!
John Dos Passos: Sure, he was Portuguese, but can Anglos tell the difference? Poor guy, could not get any of his books published, all on account of his Latin blood.
Sure because after all, it was the Americans who sent Columbus to find a new trade route, it was that American Columbus who landed at Hispaniola, followed by those 16th Century American Conquistadors who conquered and pillaged their way across the Hispanic countries.
Brave Hispanics have been the ones to boldly travel to the US to bring us diversity, and bless us by accepting our racist food stamps and welfare, and helping the world by bringing down the salaries of greedy Americans.
Steve Sailer sure is obsessed with Marco Rubio's skin color. What is this the trillionth blog about Marco Rubio's "Whiteness".
He acts like Marco Rubio is physically the Whitest man on the planet.
Although that honor would go to Northern European men like Paul Bettany and Conan O'Brien who are extremely pale, borderline albino. No one in a million years would ever mistake them for any type of Mediterranean.
and let us not forget James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA counterintelligence, 50s-70s, who overcame dreadful hate aganst white hispanics and played fatal chess with the lives of the highest level white government officials -- and their mistresses, RIP Mary Meyers. He did overcome. Even admitted shortly before he died, that he'd see his fellow conspirators -- all white I think -- in hell.
Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?
I have asked this question to you many times, and never got an answer. No, no, no, there was never any prejudice in América against Southern Europeans, and a Spaniard was just as good as an Englishman.
But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain! Yes, they are never called f-gots and never beaten up just for being gay. Those things never happen! They have pride parades because they are vain! LOL!
Are you serious with these claims, dude? For real?
And relax about Marco Rubio, because like I already told you he will never become president.
question, if obama-rubio amnesty passes, will mexican voters support rubio in 2016 since obama isnt running anymore?
What Obama running or not has to do with it I don't know, but yes, if the Republicans give the Hispanics their amnesty (which isn't so high on the individual Latino's list of priorities anyway, and is already being offered by the Dems in conjunction with their whole bag-o-goodies social policies) they have that much less reason to vote Rubio.
So if Republicans somehow combine Amnesty and a 2016 Rubio candidacy to recapture the White House they will have essentially sold out their natural constituency (and the Nation) for one last administration before slogging off to the tar pits. What a deal for Marco! Rubio gets one administration--and the Rubes get one administration.
The Republicans buying into this Obama-won-on-amnesty line reminds me of the end of Wag the Dog (spoiler alert), when movie producer Dustin Hoffman, who has just secretly engineered a phony war in the media and re-elected the president, watches a pair of clueless young whippersnapper political advisers boasting on TV about how their insipid campaign ("Don't Change Horses in Mid-Stream") won the day. Hoffman is furious he can't take credit and has to be dealt with before he spills the beans. I'm just wondering if there've been any strange deaths/disappearances in Hollywood shortly after the election.
Nicky:"Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?"
Cry me a river....the pain, the pain! The Blacks talk about being whipped and enslaved, but did they have to deal with immigration restrictions? Having to face an immigration quota is a million times worse than being whipped by a slave master!
Nicky:"I have asked this question to you many times, and never got an answer. No, no, no, there was never any prejudice in América against Southern Europeans, and a Spaniard was just as good as an Englishman."
Cripes, man up, pal. My maternal grandfather was a Jew from Riga, and you don't hear me whining about immigration restrictions.
See, Nicky is an authentic Hispanic; he spells America with an accent mark.
Nicky:"But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain! Yes, they are never called f-gots and never beaten up just for being gay. Those things never happen! They have pride parades because they are vain! LOL!"
See, we Hispanics are just like Gays! See, Hispanics are like Gay Blacks! Yeah, that's the ticket. When you see a White Hispanic, just think Gay Black.
Nicky:"And relax about Marco Rubio, because like I already told you he will never become president."
You might be right on that one, Nicky; Rubio is, after all, even stupider than George W. Bush.
Jefferson;"Steve Sailer sure is obsessed with Marco Rubio's skin color. What is this the trillionth blog about Marco Rubio's "Whiteness"."
Steve just likes pointing out how stupid the GOP elites are in their enthusiasm for Rubio.
Jefferson:"He acts like Marco Rubio is physically the Whitest man on the planet."
Really? when has Steve done that?
Jefferson:"Although that honor would go to Northern European men like Paul Bettany and Conan O'Brien who are extremely pale, borderline albino. No one in a million years would ever mistake them for any type of Mediterranean."
...Since Mediterraneans are White, what would that mean?
Well, the Republicans more Latin Vote then talk about energy. The Eagle Rock shale in Texas is getting better pay and lower unemployment in a higher than average Hispanic part of the US, not saying that it has reach all of Texas. Even California has a big shale which is hard to get hold of in the Central Valley, Monterray. The inland counties still have Republicans and some Dems lees into the enviroment its difficult but instead of the Republicans complaining about Calif being a basket case they can use the oil Shale to beat up on liberal enviromentalists preventing whites and hispanics in the inland counties which a decent living instead of the low income farm jobs.
Nicky:"Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?"
Come on, what was Slavery and Jim Crow next to this! Immigration restrictions, the horror, the horror. See, White Hispanics suffered,man!
God, Nicky, I love how immigration restrictions are your go to argument every time. Who knew that White Hispanics were such pussies? Try and man up, pal.
Nicky:"I have asked this question to you many times, and never got an answer. No, no, no, there was never any prejudice in América against Southern Europeans, and a Spaniard was just as good as an Englishman."
Note the use of America with an accent-the mark of the true White Hispanic cry baby.
NBicky;"But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain! Yes, they are never called f-gots and never beaten up just for being gay. Those things never happen! They have pride parades because they are vain! LOL!"
See, we White Hispanics have it just as bad as Gays. in fact, we are like Blacks combined with Gays. So, when you see a White Hispanic, know that you are looking at a Black Gay man
Nicky:"And relax about Marco Rubio, because like I already told you he will never become president."
Thank God, I don't think that i could tolerate a White Hispanic crybaby with a mangina in the White House.
But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain!"
"Come on, what was Slavery and Jim Crow next to this! Immigration restrictions, the horror, the horror. See, White Hispanics suffered,man!"
It doesen't matter. Stop coming up with straw mans. I never argued that the discrimination against Latinos was as bad as that against blacks, and I wouldn't have a problem if Sailer said that blacks had it worse. The problem is that Sailer argues that there was never ANY discrimination against those of Southern European descent, which is simply false. I counter-argued that there was historical prejudice against Southern Europeans since an Immigration Act designed to stop them from coming to the U.S. on the grounds that they were inferior was approved and enforced. Cased closed. I love that all you guys have are misrepresenations of what I write, straw man arguments and trying to obfuscate facts with semantics.
"God, Nicky, I love how immigration restrictions are your go to argument every time. Who knew that White Hispanics were such pussies? Try and man up, pal."
Ah, the insults. What else is new? Arguing with you guys is a zero-sum game with nincompoops.
"Note the use of America with an accent-the mark of the true White Hispanic cry baby."
More insults. Wow, you have really shown me. You have no idea who I am. Don't make assumptions. If you must know, my keyboard is configured to spell-check in Portuguese(not Spanish) since I am living in Portugal right now, and I simply don't feel like configuring it for English just to post on this one blog. I re-write the words in English that the computer alters to Portuguese accents, but some times I forget. The word "America" has an accent in Portuguese and becomes "América . This has nothing to do with me but with the computer".
"See, we White Hispanics have it just as bad as Gays. in fact, we are like Blacks combined with Gays. So, when you see a White Hispanic, know that you are looking at a Black Gay man"
That's funny. Your anger and spite, that is.
"Thank God, I don't think that i could tolerate a White Hispanic crybaby with a mangina in the White House."
Yes, you would much rather have a genocidal, homophobic, war criminal, cowardly and stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war, LIED to the people of his country and condoned torture, violating all precepts of Western Civilization. Nice going, conservatives.
Why should we have to explain or justify (this is what I think you really mean) the 1924 immigration act? Immigration is only a privilege, not a right. Americans were, and are, entirerly within their rights in controlling or ending immigration anytime or way they feel like it. Do Mexicans explain their country's immigration policies to us? But just for the record sport, America had received very heavy and continuous waves of immigration from about 1880 onwards. This was a mere fifteen years after America's own internal unity had been seriously threatened. Wave after wave, year after year, people poured in from all over Europe, including a great many groups that had previously been very few or almost non-existent in America's population base. After 40+ years of this America finally said enough. It was time to turn off the tap and begin the extremely serious challenge of digesting and absorbing these individuals. Whole areas of the country were filled up with ethnics, people who didn't speak English as their first language, or at all, and had a state loyalty that was ethnic and not national (as the first world war disturbingly showed). Finally many of the newcomers were Catholic and Protestants wanted to keep their religious culture and values secure (religion counted for more in the past). Had Mexico received a million or so immigrants every year from 1880 to 1924 and Mexicans finally cried ENOUGH, I wouldn't have any trouble understanding that at all. Interestingly it has now been about 45 years since America opened itself up to widespread immigration again. I would say it is again time to shut off the tap and once more repeat the process of digestion and absorption. Even more disingenuous is your vapid use of the term "southern European". Anyone living south of the 50th parallel is southern European. As well as the Iberian, Italian and Balkan peninsulas, this includes France, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria, southern Germany and all of the Ukraine and Crimea.
Your claims that Rubio is not considered "white" now or in the past are absurd. Anyone with half a brain can see he is white as are all of your imaginary non-white "southern Europeans". Do you think when Cortez and his gang of Spanish thugs landed in Mexico the Aztecs said, "right here are some of our fellow brown-skinned, non-white Homies. Who cares if he conquers and slays us by the millions? Its all good"'? GET REAL. You are a great source of amusement to readers of this blog.
It doesen't matter. Stop coming up with straw mans. I never argued that the discrimination against Latinos was as bad as that against blacks, and I wouldn't have a problem if Sailer said that blacks had it worse. The problem is that Sailer argues that there was never ANY discrimination against those of Southern European descent, which is simply false.
Nick, I don't think you understand the concept of generalization. Liberals make generalizations. They claim that non-Anglo whites was "victimized" in this vague era called "back then." Steve claims the opposite, that these groups didn't have it that bad. This is also a generalization. Yet Steve's readers understand that he is making such broad statements purely to challenge other over-generalized notions; most readers know enough about history and human relations know that things are more complicated than "wasn't/was oppressed."
Didn't Bush do well with Hispanics? Indeed, the first election he did well with Muslims.
So don't make it sound like Bush is a hillbilly down out the hollar. He's a product of the same forces that are supporting this mass Hispanic immigration. And Hispanic economic reactionaries (to the right of Genghis Khan on everything but immigration) are quite comfortable with Bush. As you are a champion of these sort of people, I can say he's as much your boy as he is ours. Where were the hordes of Hispanic-Americans protesting the Iraq war? And Hispanics, as much as rednecks, are enablers of the American Military machine.
And why should people here, who have poor parents and grandparents- not all Northern European folks are born with silver spoons in their mouths- indirectly subsidize the grandchildren of hacendadoes? One could make the argument that perhaps Indians and Africans from Latin American countries are deserving of some help. Although, I'd argue that only folks from such categories whose ancestors were from within the current US, and its former colonies like the Philipines, deserve affirmative action. The US owes Latin American victims somewhat because of the Cold War shenanigans of the likes of Kissinger.
But the grandchildren of the people, the leaders, who are responsible for those places being sinkpits of human misery? Indeed, it is entirely possible for the grandchild of a reactionary Latin American patron to benefit from pro-Hispanic policies. Why do they deserve affirmative action? That's our point.
The white Latin Americans are playing both ends against the middle. Having exploited and victimized their own peasants for centuries, they still get to play the victim here.
...stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war... --Señor Diaz
George W. Bush champions Arab democracy and Hispanic immigration. Real rednecks are too smart for that. They see the folly in the former and the danger in the latter.
Jefferson and the first Roosevelt knew the truth about Araby, and acted accordingly. Eisenhower and the second Roosevelt deported Mexicans by the millions. (Why? The same reason Bobby Kennedy investigated Martin Luther King-- they were doing their job.) Three of the four are on coins now.
You'll get little argument here when you call Bush an idiot. Easy mortgages for blacks and Hispanics? Ha! Next he'll be saying they can be trusted with a right to bear arms.
I am a white latin american and Marco Rubio doesn't look fully white to me, predominantly white for sure, but he has some native ancestry. Amerindians disappeared from the Caribbean after a few decades of colonization because of genocide, diseases, but also because of being absorbed through sex. His parents were working class (bartender, hotel maid).
If you want to see how a real conquistador-americano looks like, google Juán Manuel Urtubey, he is a gobernor in Argentina from a province that borders Bolivia, and he descends from Spanish colonial stock, not recent European immigrants like most White Argentines.
Nick, IYHO, does the thing called America function, or has it ever functioned, as the homeland of a group of people known as Americans? Will you concede this in even the slightest measure? Or is it nothing but a repository for immigrants (which had better have a damned good reason for turning ANYONE away)?
If you want to see how a real conquistador-americano looks like, google Juán Manuel Urtubey, he is a gobernor in Argentina from a province that borders Bolivia, and he descends from Spanish colonial stock, not recent European immigrants like most White Argentines. It stands to reason that the longer your ancestors have been in the new world the higher the chances of having residual Amerindian ancestry. This is good for the elites too.
The 1924 act did a couple of things for its sponsors (and I don't mean the guys in congress).
1) stop Catholic immigration. Catholics, through raw numbers and organization through the Church hierarchy had taken over local political machines. Stopping their population growth was just one way elites tackled this problem.
2) Stopping Jewish migration. There was a conflict during this period between the old WASP financial elite, House of Morgan, and the new alliance between the Jewish financial elite, centered around Kuhn, Loeb and Co., and the WASP industrial elite centered around Rockefeller. The latter made much use of Jewish intellectuals in creating a population of atomized consumers.
The Rockefeller/Kuhn Loebs won, btw.
It had very little to do with how tan these people were.
"Arnaz was patriotic. In his memoirs, speaking of the United States, he wrote: 'I know of no other country in the world' in which 'a sixteen-year-old kid, broke and unable to speak the language' could achieve the successes he had."
That quote alone tells us a whole lot of depressing things about how America has changed since the 1950s.
"Nicky:"Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?"
Cry me a river....the pain, the pain! The Blacks talk about being whipped and enslaved, but did they have to deal with immigration restrictions? Having to face an immigration quota is a million times worse than being whipped by a slave master!"
And, plus, there's the whole fact that the "Hispanics" us White Americans in 2013 are objecting to, are really mestizos (that is, a mixture of Spaniard and Amerind) and full-blooded Amerinds from Mexico, not Spaniards from Spain.
Yet, the whole joke, which Little Nicky doesn't get, is that the Spaniards from Spain who are the ruling class of Mexico, are trying to shoehorn their way into power in America -- just having Mexico not being good enough -- by pretending to *be* mestizos.
I forget who it was, but somebody said, what this is, is, the Spaniards are still ticked off about their Armada's defeat by the English 400 years ago, plus they're still ticked off that the English had the effrontery to move to the continent they figured they were solely entitled to. I'm starting to think this is right! The Spaniards lost in the 1500 -1600s to the English, and by gum, they're going to try again, but this time not by sending warships and sailors, but by sending their unwanted welfare class.
But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain!"
not the only reason but a major one. Dressing up i clerical garb, including nun habits, is another penchant. Display and costume, minus their true sybolic meaning, is a lot of fun for a lot gays. I should know (and not because I am one) As for distortin, hyou've committed some whoppers, so it nay be the pot calling the kettle ...
This false analagy has often been discussed on genetics boards.
The genetics that create light hair among some Australoid and Melanesian people is entirely different then the genes that control for blondism in other races. Blonds in Spaubn and Germany share aspects of a common genetic profile. "Blonds" in Melaniesia do share the same profile--entirely different.In Europe and occasionally rhe mid-easr area, blondism has a similar genetic provenance. Among Caucasians in Europe (and elsewhere), blondism also correlates with fair skin and light eyes, both traits unknown among full blood Australian aboriginals, and Melanesians. Indeed, "Melanesia" derives from "melan...", latin for dark, because they are dark.
Someone said Rubio shows native American ancestry--I don't see it, though maybe he does. "Almond shaped eyes" show up among other people that have no Asian ancestry. My own have sometimes been described that way. Has to do with bone structur. Rubio could be any type of European, almost. Souther German comes to mind.
"Why should we have to explain or justify (this is what I think you really mean) the 1924 immigration act? Immigration is only a privilege, not a right."
Another straw man. Show me where I am arguing that Amnericans have or do not have the right to determine their immigration policy?
STOP ATTACKING POINTS THAT I AM NOT MAKING. The point of the debate is whether there was or not prejudice against southern European immigrants, and not whether Americans have the right to determine their immigration policy or hot. I argue that there was prejudice and I offered evidence of that. All you guys did is switch the point entirely to something I am not debating.
I must say, I have come to the conclusion that I am arguing with people who are not intellectually worthy of me arguing with. Not to mention that you are spiteful. Straw man arguments, appeal to semantics and ad hominem compose roughly 95% of all your replies to me. Then, you guys also show blatant ignorance about almost everything, like when that guy said that Rubio is not elegible to become president because his parents are not American, showing that he ignores that HIS OWN COUNTRY uses the jus solis and not jus sanguinis principle of citizenship. His own country. I don't hate you guys. I just think you guys are stupid and bitter that foreigners are doing better in your country than you are.
@reg caesar on Galtieri. Menem. and other non-hispanic rulers
Those guys were assimilated into the "conquistador-american" culture of South America - its not too hard for a Sicilian or a Lebanese to adopt to the basically Mediterranean model of politics practiced by the South American elites.
After all, there were three places in the world with dynamic Falangist Parties - Spain, South America, and Lebanon (and of course its cousin Italian fascism). The political language is related.
The Creole elite of South America was very good at politics in their classic style - which was the ability run an poor and ethnically mixed country for the benefit of your class for 400 years.
I don't see how you can deny the anti-hispanic animus of norteamericanos. In 1964 the Giants traded Felipe Alou so he wouldn't be able to play in the same outfield with his brothers, just the kind of family-splitting the slaveholders used to engage in. Nothing ever changes.
...stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war... --Señor Diaz
George W. Bush champions Arab democracy and Hispanic immigration. Real rednecks are too smart for that. They see the folly in the former and the danger in the latter This is true, Bush was never a redneck but a globist. SOme REd Necks preferred Billy Clinton.
So don't make it sound like Bush is a hillbilly down out the hollar. He's a product of the same forces that are supporting this mass Hispanic immigration. And Hispanic economic reactionaries (to the right of Genghis Khan on everything but immigration) are quite comfortable with Bush. As you are a champion of these sort of people, I can say he's as much your boy as he is ours. Where were the hordes of Hispanic-Americans protesting the Iraq war? And Hispanics, as much as rednecks, are enablers of the American Military machine.
Pew Hispanic shows less support for the Iraq War among Hispanics since their countries opposed the war like Mexico. Whites and Blacks more represented than Hispanics. Whites are into protest more than hispanics unless its amnesty or in my youth illegal immirgants opposed to prop 187.
Nicky:"It doesen't matter. Stop coming up with straw mans. I never argued that the discrimination against Latinos was as bad as that against blacks, and I wouldn't have a problem if Sailer said that blacks had it worse. The problem is that Sailer argues that there was never ANY discrimination against those of Southern European descent,"
"straw mans": Comedy gold. Don't try to lean proper English, Nicky; it would just kill the comedy.
Nicky, Steve has never said that some level of ethnic animus did not exist; he just points out that it was insignificant.Only White Hispanic crybabies care about it. Real men worry about real problems.
Nicy:"Yes, you would much rather have a genocidal, homophobic, war criminal, cowardly and stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war, LIED to the people of his country and condoned torture, violating all precepts of Western Civilization. Nice going, conservatives."
Nicky, if your go to argument amounts to saying that Rubio would't be as bad as George W Bush, you've really set the bar low. Really, your best defense of Rubio is that he wouldn't be as bad as Bush?
Plus, no conservatives that I know supported Bush; his desire to import massive numbers of Mexicans proved that he was another open borders liberal at heart.
"Show me where I am arguing that Am{N}ericans have or do not have the right to determine their immigration policy".
ROTFLMAO! Just about every post you have made on this blog. But since you are now 'agreeing' with me, it is just fine if we want to stop all immigration from Mexico and Latin America and deport all the criminal infiltrators (er, pardon my Israelise, illegal aliens), right? RIGHT?
As for your claims about 'prejudice' against southern Europeans, I can hardly imagine any country other then America that could, or would, have allowed and absorbed so many people in so sudden a period of time. The 1924 act played a key role in giving America the means to absorb the descendents of these people largely by cutting off the re-supply of them.
The main goal of the 1924 act was to try to preserve some measure of the country's earlier ethnic, cultural and religious balance. Americans can hardly be faulted for that.
"I have come to the conclusion that I am arguing with people who are not intellectually worthy of me arguing with".
Uh okay, sport, whatever you say. Since that is the case I guess you will stop posting your drivel on this blog.
So long Senor Diaz. Don't hit your head on the door on your way out.
Anglos and Northern people in general, don´t need to feel guilty or apologize. It´s their "momentum"... Since the raise of Civilisation, with Sumerians, thru the Persians, Phoenetians, Greeks, Etrurians Romans, Bizantines, Arabs,Otomans,etç.. ending in the Portuguese, Spanish and French Empires, that Civilisation is a Mediterranic issue. All feel superior to others in their time; Greeks, Romans and Italians (Renaissance) in special, show a profound "racial" prejudice against "northern" people.In fact, until XVII century, "Blond" and "Beast" are almost sinonimus... Also, since Caucasians are called "White", and Anglos are in general, ligther than Spaniards...Well, follow the "silogysmus" (ironically, the ligthest people in Europe, the Finns, are also the most admixed...) Plus: Rubio look Spanish, but not Spaniard... Finally, after 6000 years we have a "Nordic momentum", I can´t wait for the Negro...
"I have come to the conclusion that I am arguing with people who are not intellectually worthy of me arguing with".
Nick Diaz. (Who, btw, claimed in an earlier post to have "owned us".)
That's what I love about you Nicky-boy. You are a legend in your own mind. My cousin recently also came to the conclusion he is the 'saviour' and the 'messiah'. But he at least has the excuse of schizophrenia and being institutionalized.
"Greeks, Romans and Italians (Renaissance) in special, show a profound "racial" prejudice against "northern" people.In fact, until XVII century, "Blond" and "Beast" are almost sinonimus..."
in the Rennaissance? Considering all the blondies showing up in Boticelli, Titian (red hair actually), and others, I'm not sure the "Rennaissance" Italians or Spanish had any zeitgeist against blondes. There were too many among them. Of course there was no "Italy", just a collection of of states, with different dialects and looks. Ancient German tribes were described as distinctive in their type of look, but blondism was fairly common among Romans (and ancient Greeks for that matter), if not majority. We have discriptions od most of the Caesers and their families, and I was surprised at how many were "golden" haired and light eyed. On these was Commodus, played by Phoenix in "Gladiator." Now that guy was quite a beast and he was blond, blue eyed and Roman. So there you go.
[QUOTE]Someone said Rubio shows native American ancestry--I don't see it, though maybe he does. "Almond shaped eyes" show up among other people that have no Asian ancestry. My own have sometimes been described that way. Has to do with bone structur. Rubio could be any type of European, almost. Souther German comes to mind.[/QUOTE]
Latin Americans who have almond shaped eyes almost always have some Amerindian ancestry in their family tree, and Marco Rubio is a Latin American.
Almond shaped eyes is not a European trait. Because if it was, almond shaped eyes would be just as equally common in Europe as they are in Latin America. But it's not.
" guarantee that Conan O'Brien and Paul Bettany have NEVER been mistaken for being Greek or Portuguese for example.
Because they are too pasty pale and too light haired to ever be mistaken for any Mediterranean. They look like the epitome of WASP's and nobody would ever mistake them for anything but WASP's."
Anglo-Saxons were known for their English rose complexions, thank you very much. They have a pink hue even compared to other northern Eurpeans. O'Brien is Celtic, not Anglo Saxon, and they are the palest. There are always people who embody a type that could be none other. One observer noted that among Jews, maybe only 10% were definitely Semitic or Jewish looking, and nothing else, not even another mid-eastern or med type. We are not in denial on that point. The points being made here refer to the huge proportion of people in these countries who are far more ambiguous in phenotype than their nationality or ethnicity, would conjure up in the mind's eye.
Yeah, it was tough for White Hispanics.I mean, just look at the horrible lives that they had to lead in Anglo America:
ReplyDeleteDavid Farragut: poor man, his naval career went nowhere.
Leander Perez: I'm sure that we all recall how the Klan lynched him for trying to pass as a White man.
Aida, Rita, and Mercedes de Acosta: Driven from high society when their Latin blood was found out.
Luis Alvarez:Expelled from the University of Chicago when somebody figured out he was Hispanic. Real shame, he was so bright. Heck, if he had been Anglo, he might have even won a Nobel prize!
John Dos Passos: Sure, he was Portuguese, but can Anglos tell the difference? Poor guy, could not get any of his books published, all on account of his Latin blood.
Sure because after all, it was the Americans who sent Columbus to find a new trade route, it was that American Columbus who landed at Hispaniola, followed by those 16th Century American Conquistadors who conquered and pillaged their way across the Hispanic countries.
ReplyDeleteBrave Hispanics have been the ones to boldly travel to the US to bring us diversity, and bless us by accepting our racist food stamps and welfare, and helping the world by bringing down the salaries of greedy Americans.
Steve Sailer sure is obsessed with Marco Rubio's skin color. What is this the trillionth blog about Marco Rubio's "Whiteness".
ReplyDeleteHe acts like Marco Rubio is physically the Whitest man on the planet.
Although that honor would go to Northern European men like Paul Bettany and Conan O'Brien who are extremely pale, borderline albino. No one in a million years would ever mistake them for any type of Mediterranean.
question, if obama-rubio amnesty passes, will mexican voters support rubio in 2016 since obama isnt running anymore?
ReplyDeleteand let us not forget James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA counterintelligence, 50s-70s, who overcame dreadful hate aganst white hispanics and played fatal chess with the lives of the highest level white government officials -- and their mistresses, RIP Mary Meyers. He did overcome. Even admitted shortly before he died, that he'd see his fellow conspirators -- all white I think -- in hell.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Rubio's wife Jeanette is always getting into trouble with her hi-jinks and shenanigans.
ReplyDelete"Jeeeee-neeee!!!"
Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?
ReplyDeleteI have asked this question to you many times, and never got an answer. No, no, no, there was never any prejudice in América against Southern Europeans, and a Spaniard was just as good as an Englishman.
But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain! Yes, they are never called f-gots and never beaten up just for being gay. Those things never happen! They have pride parades because they are vain! LOL!
Are you serious with these claims, dude? For real?
And relax about Marco Rubio, because like I already told you he will never become president.
I can't think of any great "anti-hispanic" racism.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm sure this blog's self-appointed voice for the hispanic community (that would be Nick Diaz), will dream up something for us.
Nick Diaz said...
ReplyDeleteEspecifically
Jefferson,
ReplyDeleteThere are red headed people in Spain and Italy.
Gloria
question, if obama-rubio amnesty passes, will mexican voters support rubio in 2016 since obama isnt running anymore?
ReplyDeleteWhat Obama running or not has to do with it I don't know, but yes, if the Republicans give the Hispanics their amnesty (which isn't so high on the individual Latino's list of priorities anyway, and is already being offered by the Dems in conjunction with their whole bag-o-goodies social policies) they have that much less reason to vote Rubio.
So if Republicans somehow combine Amnesty and a 2016 Rubio candidacy to recapture the White House they will have essentially sold out their natural constituency (and the Nation) for one last administration before slogging off to the tar pits.
What a deal for Marco! Rubio gets one administration--and the Rubes get one administration.
The Republicans buying into this Obama-won-on-amnesty line reminds me of the end of Wag the Dog (spoiler alert), when movie producer Dustin Hoffman, who has just secretly engineered a phony war in the media and re-elected the president, watches a pair of clueless young whippersnapper political advisers boasting on TV about how their insipid campaign ("Don't Change Horses in Mid-Stream") won the day. Hoffman is furious he can't take credit and has to be dealt with before he spills the beans.
I'm just wondering if there've been any strange deaths/disappearances in Hollywood shortly after the election.
Please don't forget about Angleton because then Steve might have to do post number 15 about how Mexican he was or something.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the wilderness of mirrors caused the refraction to make Angleton look more Hispanic.
Nicky:"Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?"
ReplyDeleteCry me a river....the pain, the pain! The Blacks talk about being whipped and enslaved, but did they have to deal with immigration restrictions? Having to face an immigration quota is a million times worse than being whipped by a slave master!
Nicky:"I have asked this question to you many times, and never got an answer. No, no, no, there was never any prejudice in América against Southern Europeans, and a Spaniard was just as good as an Englishman."
Cripes, man up, pal. My maternal grandfather was a Jew from Riga, and you don't hear me whining about immigration restrictions.
See, Nicky is an authentic Hispanic; he spells America with an accent mark.
Nicky:"But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain! Yes, they are never called f-gots and never beaten up just for being gay. Those things never happen! They have pride parades because they are vain! LOL!"
See, we Hispanics are just like Gays! See, Hispanics are like Gay Blacks! Yeah, that's the ticket. When you see a White Hispanic, just think Gay Black.
Nicky:"And relax about Marco Rubio, because like I already told you he will never become president."
You might be right on that one, Nicky; Rubio is, after all, even stupider than George W. Bush.
Jefferson;"Steve Sailer sure is obsessed with Marco Rubio's skin color. What is this the trillionth blog about Marco Rubio's "Whiteness"."
ReplyDeleteSteve just likes pointing out how stupid the GOP elites are in their enthusiasm for Rubio.
Jefferson:"He acts like Marco Rubio is physically the Whitest man on the planet."
Really? when has Steve done that?
Jefferson:"Although that honor would go to Northern European men like Paul Bettany and Conan O'Brien who are extremely pale, borderline albino. No one in a million years would ever mistake them for any type of Mediterranean."
...Since Mediterraneans are White, what would that mean?
Well, the Republicans more Latin Vote then talk about energy. The Eagle Rock shale in Texas is getting better pay and lower unemployment in a higher than average Hispanic part of the US, not saying that it has reach all of Texas. Even California has a big shale which is hard to get hold of in the Central Valley, Monterray. The inland counties still have Republicans and some Dems lees into the enviroment its difficult but instead of the Republicans complaining about Calif being a basket case they can use the oil Shale to beat up on liberal enviromentalists preventing whites and hispanics in the inland counties which a decent living instead of the low income farm jobs.
ReplyDeleteNicky:"Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?"
ReplyDeleteCome on, what was Slavery and Jim Crow next to this! Immigration restrictions, the horror, the horror. See, White Hispanics suffered,man!
God, Nicky, I love how immigration restrictions are your go to argument every time. Who knew that White Hispanics were such pussies? Try and man up, pal.
Nicky:"I have asked this question to you many times, and never got an answer. No, no, no, there was never any prejudice in América against Southern Europeans, and a Spaniard was just as good as an Englishman."
Note the use of America with an accent-the mark of the true White Hispanic cry baby.
NBicky;"But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain! Yes, they are never called f-gots and never beaten up just for being gay. Those things never happen! They have pride parades because they are vain! LOL!"
See, we White Hispanics have it just as bad as Gays. in fact, we are like Blacks combined with Gays. So, when you see a White Hispanic, know that you are looking at a Black Gay man
Nicky:"And relax about Marco Rubio, because like I already told you he will never become president."
Thank God, I don't think that i could tolerate a White Hispanic crybaby with a mangina in the White House.
"Nick Diaz said...
ReplyDeleteBut then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain!"
Did that strike a nerve, Nancy?
@Anonymous 8:35 PM
ReplyDelete"Come on, what was Slavery and Jim Crow next to this! Immigration restrictions, the horror, the horror. See, White Hispanics suffered,man!"
It doesen't matter. Stop coming up with straw mans. I never argued that the discrimination against Latinos was as bad as that against blacks, and I wouldn't have a problem if Sailer said that blacks had it worse. The problem is that Sailer argues that there was never ANY discrimination against those of Southern European descent, which is simply false. I counter-argued that there was historical prejudice against Southern Europeans since an Immigration Act designed to stop them from coming to the U.S. on the grounds that they were inferior was approved and enforced. Cased closed. I love that all you guys have are misrepresenations of what I write, straw man arguments and trying to obfuscate facts with semantics.
"God, Nicky, I love how immigration restrictions are your go to argument every time. Who knew that White Hispanics were such pussies? Try and man up, pal."
Ah, the insults. What else is new? Arguing with you guys is a zero-sum game with nincompoops.
"Note the use of America with an accent-the mark of the true White Hispanic cry baby."
More insults. Wow, you have really shown me. You have no idea who I am. Don't make assumptions. If you must know, my keyboard is configured to spell-check in Portuguese(not Spanish) since I am living in Portugal right now, and I simply don't feel like configuring it for English just to post on this one blog. I re-write the words in English that the computer alters to Portuguese accents, but some times I forget. The word "America" has an accent in Portuguese and becomes "América . This has nothing to do with me but with the computer".
"See, we White Hispanics have it just as bad as Gays. in fact, we are like Blacks combined with Gays. So, when you see a White Hispanic, know that you are looking at a Black Gay man"
That's funny. Your anger and spite, that is.
"Thank God, I don't think that i could tolerate a White Hispanic crybaby with a mangina in the White House."
Yes, you would much rather have a genocidal, homophobic, war criminal, cowardly and stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war, LIED to the people of his country and condoned torture, violating all precepts of Western Civilization. Nice going, conservatives.
To Nick Diaz;
ReplyDeleteWhy should we have to explain or justify (this is what I think you really mean) the 1924 immigration act? Immigration is only a privilege, not a right. Americans were, and are, entirerly within their rights in controlling or ending immigration anytime or way they feel like it. Do Mexicans explain their country's immigration policies to us? But just for the record sport, America had received very heavy and continuous waves of immigration from about 1880 onwards. This was a mere fifteen years after America's own internal unity had been seriously threatened. Wave after wave, year after year, people poured in from all over Europe, including a great many groups that had previously been very few or almost non-existent in America's population base. After 40+ years of this America finally said enough. It was time to turn off the tap and begin the extremely serious challenge of digesting and absorbing these individuals. Whole areas of the country were filled up with ethnics, people who didn't speak English as their first language, or at all, and had a state loyalty that was ethnic and not national (as the first world war disturbingly showed). Finally many of the newcomers were Catholic and Protestants wanted to keep their religious culture and values secure (religion counted for more in the past). Had Mexico received a million or so immigrants every year from 1880 to 1924 and Mexicans finally cried ENOUGH, I wouldn't have any trouble understanding that at all. Interestingly it has now been about 45 years since America opened itself up to widespread immigration again. I would say it is again time to shut off the tap and once more repeat the process of digestion and absorption. Even more disingenuous is your vapid use of the term "southern European". Anyone living south of the 50th parallel is southern European. As well as the Iberian, Italian and Balkan peninsulas, this includes France, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria, southern Germany and all of the Ukraine and Crimea.
Your claims that Rubio is not considered "white" now or in the past are absurd. Anyone with half a brain can see he is white as are all of your imaginary non-white "southern Europeans". Do you think when Cortez and his gang of Spanish thugs landed in Mexico the Aztecs said, "right here are some of our fellow brown-skinned, non-white Homies. Who cares if he conquers and slays us by the millions? Its all good"'? GET REAL. You are a great source of amusement to readers of this blog.
There are red headed people in Spain and Italy.
ReplyDeleteThere are also blonds in Melanesia.
It doesen't matter. Stop coming up with straw mans. I never argued that the discrimination against Latinos was as bad as that against blacks, and I wouldn't have a problem if Sailer said that blacks had it worse. The problem is that Sailer argues that there was never ANY discrimination against those of Southern European descent, which is simply false.
ReplyDeleteHe does? Never? Any? Shame on him.
Galtieri. Menem. The Kirschners. Fujimori. Abdala. Fox. Stroessner. Aylwin. Pinochet. Montt (three, in two countries). O' freaking Higgins.
ReplyDeleteIf it's that easy to beat Hispanics in Hispanic countries, what hope do they have here?
(Yes, some of those were dictators, but that takes political skill, too. Which Spaniards just don't have.)
Nick,
ReplyDeleteI don't think you understand the concept of generalization. Liberals make generalizations. They claim that non-Anglo whites was "victimized" in this vague era called "back then." Steve claims the opposite, that these groups didn't have it that bad. This is also a generalization. Yet Steve's readers understand that he is making such broad statements purely to challenge other over-generalized notions; most readers know enough about history and human relations know that things are more complicated than "wasn't/was oppressed."
Nick Diaz,
ReplyDeleteDidn't Bush do well with Hispanics? Indeed, the first election he did well with Muslims.
So don't make it sound like Bush is a hillbilly down out the hollar. He's a product of the same forces that are supporting this mass Hispanic immigration. And Hispanic economic reactionaries (to the right of Genghis Khan on everything but immigration) are quite comfortable with Bush. As you are a champion of these sort of people, I can say he's as much your boy as he is ours. Where were the hordes of Hispanic-Americans protesting the Iraq war? And Hispanics, as much as rednecks, are enablers of the American Military machine.
And why should people here, who have poor parents and grandparents- not all Northern European folks are born with silver spoons in their mouths- indirectly subsidize the grandchildren of hacendadoes? One could make the argument that perhaps Indians and Africans from Latin American countries are deserving of some help. Although, I'd argue that only folks from such categories whose ancestors were from within the current US, and its former colonies like the Philipines, deserve affirmative action. The US owes Latin American victims somewhat because of the Cold War shenanigans of the likes of Kissinger.
But the grandchildren of the people, the leaders, who are responsible for those places being sinkpits of human misery? Indeed, it is entirely possible for the grandchild of a reactionary Latin American patron to benefit from pro-Hispanic policies. Why do they deserve affirmative action? That's our point.
The white Latin Americans are playing both ends against the middle. Having exploited and victimized their own peasants for centuries, they still get to play the victim here.
...stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war... --Señor Diaz
ReplyDeleteGeorge W. Bush champions Arab democracy and Hispanic immigration. Real rednecks are too smart for that. They see the folly in the former and the danger in the latter.
Jefferson and the first Roosevelt knew the truth about Araby, and acted accordingly. Eisenhower and the second Roosevelt deported Mexicans by the millions. (Why? The same reason Bobby Kennedy investigated Martin Luther King-- they were doing their job.) Three of the four are on coins now.
You'll get little argument here when you call Bush an idiot. Easy mortgages for blacks and Hispanics? Ha! Next he'll be saying they can be trusted with a right to bear arms.
P.S. to Senhor Diaz--
ReplyDeleteI have a couple of shelves full of translating dictionaries, including several for Spanish and Portuguese. "Homophobic" isn't in any of them.
Because it isn't a real word.
I am a white latin american and Marco Rubio doesn't look fully white to me, predominantly white for sure, but he has some native ancestry.
ReplyDeleteAmerindians disappeared from the Caribbean after a few decades of colonization because of genocide, diseases, but also because of being absorbed through sex.
His parents were working class (bartender, hotel maid).
If you want to see how a real conquistador-americano looks like, google Juán Manuel Urtubey, he is a gobernor in Argentina from a province that borders Bolivia, and he descends from Spanish colonial stock, not recent European immigrants like most White Argentines.
http://www.jamesbowman.net/reviewDetail.asp?pubID=2219
ReplyDeleteNick, IYHO, does the thing called America function, or has it ever functioned, as the homeland of a group of people known as Americans? Will you concede this in even the slightest measure? Or is it nothing but a repository for immigrants (which had better have a damned good reason for turning ANYONE away)?
ReplyDeleteIf you want to see how a real conquistador-americano looks like, google Juán Manuel Urtubey, he is a gobernor in Argentina from a province that borders Bolivia, and he descends from Spanish colonial stock, not recent European immigrants like most White Argentines.
ReplyDeleteIt stands to reason that the longer your ancestors have been in the new world the higher the chances of having residual Amerindian ancestry. This is good for the elites too.
@Nick Diaz
ReplyDeleteThe 1924 immigration act was designed to keep the existing ethnic balance of the nation as much as possible. Southern Europeans were not excluded.
It was the fairest possible way to reduce immigration without discriminating against any group already here.
If the law was designed to allow more 'Southern Europeans', it would have been discriminating against 'Northern Europeans'.
Got it?
The current post 1965 system is far more restrictive against Southern Europeans as a percentage of immigrants than the one you constantly whine about.
As you are so fond of saying, case closed!
Diaz,
ReplyDeleteThe 1924 act did a couple of things for its sponsors (and I don't mean the guys in congress).
1) stop Catholic immigration. Catholics, through raw numbers and organization through the Church hierarchy had taken over local political machines. Stopping their population growth was just one way elites tackled this problem.
2) Stopping Jewish migration. There was a conflict during this period between the old WASP financial elite, House of Morgan, and the new alliance between the Jewish financial elite, centered around Kuhn, Loeb and Co., and the WASP industrial elite centered around Rockefeller. The latter made much use of Jewish intellectuals in creating a population of atomized consumers.
The Rockefeller/Kuhn Loebs won, btw.
It had very little to do with how tan these people were.
"The Blacks talk about being whipped and enslaved, but did they have to deal with immigration restrictions?"
ReplyDeleteDidn't you notice all of the signs at the million man march, "Remember 1808!"?
From the Wikipedia page for Desi Arnaz:
ReplyDelete"Arnaz was patriotic. In his memoirs, speaking of the United States, he wrote: 'I know of no other country in the world' in which 'a sixteen-year-old kid, broke and unable to speak the language' could achieve the successes he had."
That quote alone tells us a whole lot of depressing things about how America has changed since the 1950s.
"Nicky:"Please, Sailer, I have asked you many times to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, created mostly by uber-Anglo Henry Cabot Lodge, which especifically was approved on the grounds that Southern Europeans were biologically and culturally inferior to Anglo-Saxons?"
ReplyDeleteCry me a river....the pain, the pain! The Blacks talk about being whipped and enslaved, but did they have to deal with immigration restrictions? Having to face an immigration quota is a million times worse than being whipped by a slave master!"
And, plus, there's the whole fact that the "Hispanics" us White Americans in 2013 are objecting to, are really mestizos (that is, a mixture of Spaniard and Amerind) and full-blooded Amerinds from Mexico, not Spaniards from Spain.
Yet, the whole joke, which Little Nicky doesn't get, is that the Spaniards from Spain who are the ruling class of Mexico, are trying to shoehorn their way into power in America -- just having Mexico not being good enough -- by pretending to *be* mestizos.
I forget who it was, but somebody said, what this is, is, the Spaniards are still ticked off about their Armada's defeat by the English 400 years ago, plus they're still ticked off that the English had the effrontery to move to the continent they figured they were solely entitled to.
I'm starting to think this is right!
The Spaniards lost in the 1500 -1600s to the English, and by gum, they're going to try again, but this time not by sending warships and sailors, but by sending their unwanted welfare class.
But then, you(Steve Sailer) are notorious for saying callous things and distorting fact, like when you said that the only reason why gay men have gay prde parades is because they are vain!"
ReplyDeletenot the only reason but a major one. Dressing up i clerical garb, including nun habits, is another penchant. Display and costume, minus their true sybolic meaning, is a lot of fun for a lot gays. I should know (and not because I am one)
As for distortin, hyou've committed some whoppers, so it nay be the pot calling the kettle ...
"There are red headed people in Spain and Italy.
ReplyDelete"There are also blonds in Melanesia."
This false analagy has often been discussed on genetics boards.
The genetics that create light hair among some Australoid and Melanesian people is entirely different then the genes that control for blondism in other races. Blonds in Spaubn and Germany share aspects of a common genetic profile. "Blonds" in Melaniesia do share the same profile--entirely different.In Europe and occasionally rhe mid-easr area, blondism has a similar genetic provenance. Among Caucasians in Europe (and elsewhere), blondism also correlates with fair skin and light eyes, both traits unknown among full blood Australian aboriginals, and Melanesians. Indeed, "Melanesia" derives from "melan...", latin for dark, because they are dark.
google "Juán Manuel Urtubey", to see what a full blood Spaniard looks like in South America.."
ReplyDeletewow! Cute. Can we get him to move here and run for president?
Someone said Rubio shows native American ancestry--I don't see it, though maybe he does. "Almond shaped eyes" show up among other people that have no Asian ancestry. My own have sometimes been described that way. Has to do with bone structur. Rubio could be any type of European, almost. Souther German comes to mind.
ReplyDelete"I'm just wondering if there've been any strange deaths/disappearances in Hollywood shortly after the election."
ReplyDeleteProbably. And before.
@Anonymous 9:15 PM
ReplyDelete"To Nick Diaz;
"Why should we have to explain or justify (this is what I think you really mean) the 1924 immigration act? Immigration is only a privilege, not a right."
Another straw man. Show me where I am arguing that Amnericans have or do not have the right to determine their immigration policy?
STOP ATTACKING POINTS THAT I AM NOT MAKING. The point of the debate is whether there was or not prejudice against southern European immigrants, and not whether Americans have the right to determine their immigration policy or hot. I argue that there was prejudice and I offered evidence of that. All you guys did is switch the point entirely to something I am not debating.
I must say, I have come to the conclusion that I am arguing with people who are not intellectually worthy of me arguing with. Not to mention that you are spiteful. Straw man arguments, appeal to semantics and ad hominem compose roughly 95% of all your replies to me. Then, you guys also show blatant ignorance about almost everything, like when that guy said that Rubio is not elegible to become president because his parents are not American, showing that he ignores that HIS OWN COUNTRY uses the jus solis and not jus sanguinis principle of citizenship. His own country. I don't hate you guys. I just think you guys are stupid and bitter that foreigners are doing better in your country than you are.
@reg caesar on Galtieri. Menem. and other non-hispanic rulers
ReplyDeleteThose guys were assimilated into the "conquistador-american" culture of South America - its not too hard for a Sicilian or a Lebanese to adopt to the basically Mediterranean model of politics practiced by the South American elites.
After all, there were three places in the world with dynamic Falangist Parties - Spain, South America, and Lebanon (and of course its cousin Italian fascism). The political language is related.
The Creole elite of South America was very good at politics in their classic style - which was the ability run an poor and ethnically mixed country for the benefit of your class for 400 years.
I don't see how you can deny the anti-hispanic animus of norteamericanos. In 1964 the Giants traded Felipe Alou so he wouldn't be able to play in the same outfield with his brothers, just the kind of family-splitting the slaveholders used to engage in. Nothing ever changes.
ReplyDeleteDiaz:
ReplyDeleteHow about some reciprocity on immigration? OK with you if we borrow Mexico's immigration laws? Ever read them?
...stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war... --Señor Diaz
ReplyDeleteGeorge W. Bush champions Arab democracy and Hispanic immigration. Real rednecks are too smart for that. They see the folly in the former and the danger in the latter This is true, Bush was never a redneck but a globist. SOme REd Necks preferred Billy Clinton.
So don't make it sound like Bush is a hillbilly down out the hollar. He's a product of the same forces that are supporting this mass Hispanic immigration. And Hispanic economic reactionaries (to the right of Genghis Khan on everything but immigration) are quite comfortable with Bush. As you are a champion of these sort of people, I can say he's as much your boy as he is ours. Where were the hordes of Hispanic-Americans protesting the Iraq war? And Hispanics, as much as rednecks, are enablers of the American Military machine.
ReplyDeletePew Hispanic shows less support for the Iraq War among Hispanics since their countries opposed the war like Mexico. Whites and Blacks more represented than Hispanics. Whites are into protest more than hispanics unless its amnesty or in my youth illegal immirgants opposed to prop 187.
Yes, you would much rather have a genocidal, homophobic, war criminal, cowardly and stupid redneck...
ReplyDeleteIs it too much to ask of you spic trash to avoid racial and ethnic slurs?
ReplyDeleteNicky:"It doesen't matter. Stop coming up with straw mans. I never argued that the discrimination against Latinos was as bad as that against blacks, and I wouldn't have a problem if Sailer said that blacks had it worse. The problem is that Sailer argues that there was never ANY discrimination against those of Southern European descent,"
"straw mans": Comedy gold. Don't try to lean proper English, Nicky; it would just kill the comedy.
Nicky, Steve has never said that some level of ethnic animus did not exist; he just points out that it was insignificant.Only White Hispanic crybabies care about it. Real men worry about real problems.
Nicy:"Yes, you would much rather have a genocidal, homophobic, war criminal, cowardly and stupid redneck president like George W Bush, who started an idiotic war, LIED to the people of his country and condoned torture, violating all precepts of Western Civilization. Nice going, conservatives."
Nicky, if your go to argument amounts to saying that Rubio would't be as bad as George W Bush, you've really set the bar low. Really, your best defense of Rubio is that he wouldn't be as bad as Bush?
Plus, no conservatives that I know supported Bush; his desire to import massive numbers of Mexicans proved that he was another open borders liberal at heart.
Nicky:"STOP ATTACKING POINTS THAT I AM NOT MAKING."
ReplyDeleteGod, I love it when you pull out the "all caps" mode; it's so effeminate, the blogger version of a screaming hissy fit.
Nicky:'I must say, I have come to the conclusion that I am arguing with people who are not intellectually worthy of me arguing with."
Comedy gold.
Nick Diaz said at 9:24 AM;
ReplyDelete"Show me where I am arguing that Am{N}ericans have or do not have the right to determine their immigration policy".
ROTFLMAO! Just about every post you have made on this blog. But since you are now 'agreeing' with me, it is just fine if we want to stop all immigration from Mexico and Latin America and deport all the criminal infiltrators (er, pardon my Israelise, illegal aliens), right? RIGHT?
As for your claims about 'prejudice' against southern Europeans, I can hardly imagine any country other then America that could, or would, have allowed and absorbed so many people in so sudden a period of time. The 1924 act played a key role in giving America the means to absorb the descendents of these people largely by cutting off the re-supply of them.
The main goal of the 1924 act was to try to preserve some measure of the country's earlier ethnic, cultural and religious balance. Americans can hardly be faulted for that.
"I have come to the conclusion that I am arguing with people who are not intellectually worthy of me arguing with".
Uh okay, sport, whatever you say. Since that is the case I guess you will stop posting your drivel on this blog.
So long Senor Diaz. Don't hit your head on the door on your way out.
Anglos and Northern people in general, don´t need to feel guilty or apologize. It´s their "momentum"... Since the raise of Civilisation, with Sumerians, thru the Persians, Phoenetians, Greeks, Etrurians Romans, Bizantines, Arabs,Otomans,etç.. ending in the Portuguese, Spanish and French Empires, that Civilisation is a Mediterranic issue. All feel superior to others in their time; Greeks, Romans and Italians (Renaissance) in special, show a profound "racial" prejudice against "northern" people.In fact, until XVII century, "Blond" and "Beast" are almost sinonimus...
ReplyDeleteAlso, since Caucasians are called "White", and Anglos are in general, ligther than Spaniards...Well, follow the "silogysmus" (ironically, the ligthest people in Europe, the Finns, are also the most admixed...)
Plus: Rubio look Spanish, but not Spaniard...
Finally, after 6000 years we have a "Nordic momentum", I can´t wait for the Negro...
Rubberio actually looks rather like gingrich.
ReplyDelete"I have come to the conclusion that I am arguing with people who are not intellectually worthy of me arguing with".
ReplyDeleteNick Diaz. (Who, btw, claimed in an earlier post to have "owned us".)
That's what I love about you Nicky-boy. You are a legend in your own mind. My cousin recently also came to the conclusion he is the 'saviour' and the 'messiah'. But he at least has the excuse of schizophrenia and being institutionalized.
Well, at least SO FAR, we have no reason to thunk Rubio hates this country, unlike the Usurper!
ReplyDelete"Greeks, Romans and Italians (Renaissance) in special, show a profound "racial" prejudice against "northern" people.In fact, until XVII century, "Blond" and "Beast" are almost sinonimus..."
ReplyDeletein the Rennaissance? Considering all the blondies showing up in Boticelli, Titian (red hair actually), and others, I'm not sure the "Rennaissance" Italians or Spanish had any zeitgeist against blondes. There were too many among them. Of course there was no "Italy", just a collection of of states, with different dialects and looks. Ancient German tribes were described as distinctive in their type of look, but blondism was fairly common among Romans (and ancient Greeks for that matter), if not majority. We have discriptions od most of the Caesers and their families, and I was surprised at how many were "golden" haired and light eyed. On these was Commodus, played by Phoenix in "Gladiator." Now that guy was quite a beast and he was blond, blue eyed and Roman. So there you go.
[QUOTE]Someone said Rubio shows native American ancestry--I don't see it, though maybe he does. "Almond shaped eyes" show up among other people that have no Asian ancestry. My own have sometimes been described that way. Has to do with bone structur. Rubio could be any type of European, almost. Souther German comes to mind.[/QUOTE]
ReplyDeleteLatin Americans who have almond shaped eyes almost always have some Amerindian ancestry in their family tree, and Marco Rubio is a Latin American.
Almond shaped eyes is not a European trait. Because if it was, almond shaped eyes would be just as equally common in Europe as they are in Latin America. But it's not.
" guarantee that Conan O'Brien and Paul Bettany have NEVER been mistaken for being Greek or Portuguese for example.
ReplyDeleteBecause they are too pasty pale and too light haired to ever be mistaken for any Mediterranean. They look like the epitome of WASP's and nobody would ever mistake them for anything but WASP's."
Anglo-Saxons were known for their English rose complexions, thank you very much. They have a pink hue even compared to other northern Eurpeans. O'Brien is Celtic, not Anglo Saxon, and they are the palest.
There are always people who embody a type that could be none other. One observer noted that among Jews, maybe only 10% were definitely Semitic or Jewish looking, and nothing else, not even another mid-eastern or med type. We are not in denial on that point. The points being made here refer to the huge proportion of people in these countries who are far more ambiguous in phenotype than their nationality or ethnicity, would conjure up in the mind's eye.