I have this crazy conspiracy theory. Yeah, I know conspiracies never happen. Still, call me nuts, but I suspect that there is this massive conspiracy that goes all the way to the top. Leaders of both political parties are conspiring together to write secret long term nation-changing legislation. To pass it they are conspiring with the President, the press, big business, the Catholic Church, radical leftists, the financial industry, an Antipodal media baron, big landowners, lobbyists, foreign interests, Facebook, and the world's richest man to cheat the average American out of his patrimony.
Okay, forget I ever said that.
Are you talking about intentionally working together or working essentially independently to achieve the same goal?
ReplyDeleteI'm more concerned that the gestalt is to deprive us of our progeny.
ReplyDeleteYeah, probably ... but who's gonna stop 'em?
ReplyDeleteAdd the baby boom generation to that list.
ReplyDeleteThe Baby Boomers like to hike up Mount Moral High Ground, all the time chanting "We are good, we share our world, we are good, not like our selfish world War Deux parents. We share our world." They gain social status with this form of social signaling. They morally groom each other, patting themselves on their backs because they share their world.
But they don't really, they share their CHILDREN'S worlds. They share their children's jobs and wages, they share their children's neighborhoods, they share their children's happiness, all for social signaling.
The baby boomers EAT THEIR CHILDREN.
Are you talking about intentionally working together or working essentially independently to achieve the same goal?
ReplyDeleteThe question of whether there's an actual Star Chamber Central Command sending out faxes every morning with that day's marching orders [compare Journolist], versus being merely some bizarre socio-biological phenomenon of nihilism-induced mass hysteria and ingroup death-wish-ism, is really fascinating.
My problem is that the cynic in me suspects that there really is an Inner Party [and even an Inner Inner Party beyond that].
But we are certainly witness to epochal times.
Something has to give.
Let's just hope that we aren't as complacent about it as were the White Russians - I think that they were caught completely off-guard in terms of comprehending the magnitude of the forces which were aligning against them.
And once they finally woke up and realized what they were dealing with, it was too late.
I'm convinced they all think this is the only way they can keep the bubble economies going. The Church, they think they're going to get a lot of docile brown parishioners. And boomer priests will be getting their Social Justice ya-yas on to boot. They're ready to replace us pew potatoes.
ReplyDeleteThe cuckoo egg. Each of the above are wanting you to invest in and raise strangers to expand their brand and enrich themselves at the expense of your posterity. Your posterity represents the biggest threat to their absolute domination, so it is better that they are fewer.
ReplyDeleteThe babyboomers who are white oppsed anmesty more than gen x or gen y, so you are off based. William Frey noticed the opposition to illegal hispanics among babybommers more. In both Ca and Tx those under 40 support legalizing illegals more than those over 40. The main reason is the gen x and gen y are more likely to be children of illegal immirgants, remember after Reagan's legalization a lot of babies were both which would be apart of gen y.
ReplyDeleteIf you say "i know this is crazy but.." and then you say something crazy, its still crazy.
ReplyDeleteWhat we are really talking about here is domination of government actions.
ReplyDeleteIn a government where legislation and enforcement are sold to the highest bidder, the wealthiest will call the shots. So by that logic, the biggest, wealthiest multinational corporations will determine immigration policy and enforcement (or the absence thereof).
In a government where the money printers are the rainmakers, the rainmakers will have to be kept happy. If they say they need something in order to keep printing, government will have to give it to them. If the money printers say that global free trade is a good thing (i.e., global wage arbitrage with all manufacturing work going to the lowest bidder in the world), or if they say that a mobile work force is good (i.e., open borders), then government will give them what they want because they need to keep those trillions in freshly-printed fiat coming. The money printers need a deflationary environment in order to keep printing, and they will get it.
well, I don't know about the patrimony thing, but with respect to your statement about conspiracies hardly ever happening, you are looking in the wrong place.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a conspiracy; it's an ecosystem.
This ecosystem focuses around a set of idea-transmission mechanisms, such as the mass media, corporate media, hollywood/tv/entertainment industry, the educational system, and government.
This set of idea-transmission mechanisms incorporates a set of idea-transmission filters. Certain ideas propagated throughout the public domain pass through these filters and became disseminated to the general public. Other ideas that are propagated do not pass through these filters and ....die.
Which ideas live and make it through to the general public, and which ideas are selected for extinction?
Well, what forces created the filters?
This set of idea-transmission mechanisms consists of centralized societal institutions, i.e., the mass media, hollywood, educational system and governments. Because they are centralized, the managers and owners of these institutions are those who make it through the merit gauntlet/tourney competition system that generally coalesces around the elite colleges/universities, in general of course.
Those people who come through this tourney/gauntlet system are those who work hardest, are the smartest, and who also adopt and ape the behaviors and ideologies of those who are already at the top.
It's monkey see, monkey do. Restated, if you want to make it to the top, you ape those already at the top.
And who is at the top? Rich folks. And so the ideas that pass through the idea-transmission filters are those ideas that favor those at the top. That is why you are afraid to say that conspiracies happen.
They do happen. But not in smoke filled rooms. These conspiracies are hardwired into the ideology/policy ecosystem of America and all over the world, but to differing degrees. Ah, the degree, there's the devil in the details.
Are there mechanisms that can be implemented that hamper or modify the elite-favorable ideology-transmission mechanisms?
Why do you single out the Catholic Church for mention in this? Pretty much all the churches are supporting the replacement of the American nation, either actively or by doing nothing.
ReplyDelete"Each of the above are wanting you to invest in and raise strangers to expand their brand". On reflection forget about the GOP. Surely they don't really think they will expand their brand?
ReplyDeleteConspiracy theories that try to conceptually work their way back from an undesirable outcome (from the conspiracy theorist's point of view) to a cause a la "follow the money" are analogous to intelligent design theories. It is very anti-Occam's Razor ...
ReplyDeleteWhatever happens in the world ends up benefitting someone the most (in relative terms - this is true even in non-zero sum situations) to the detriment of someone else (individual or group). This doesn't necessarily presuppose foresight, planning, or organization.
Intelligent design is appealing because we can't help but feel privileged as species - almost like someone conspired to arrange everything just so.
Conspiracy theories are appealing because anyone on the losing side of a phenomenon or a trend can't help but think someone has been out to get him. This could, of course, be true but the burden of proof weighs on the theorist.
If average Americans don't actively protect their status against degradation and dispossession, it is only natural that it will erode due to competition from other groups who do pay the costs of organization and vigilance. This is a race to the bottom among busybodies and politicos. Since such a vigilance seems to be a full time job just to keep up with the organized interests, it seems that it defies the very purpose of having carved a comfortable life for oneself - being able to enjoy it and concentrate on well-being and family.
This is why, I think, the best protection (in terms of effort expanded and outcome achieved0 is conservatism. Conservatism in this sense means automatically saying "no" to policies and initiatives until they are proven absolutely necessary and/or beneficial for the average American.
Doesn't downward mobility achieve the same sort of thing.
ReplyDeleteLots of people born in Britain during the industrial revolution lost out simply because the middle class was expanding.
"Why do you single out the Catholic Church for mention in this?"
ReplyDeleteBecause from an Umberto Eco perspective, the Catholic Church is a cooler conspiracy theory participant than the Methodists, much like the Freemasons outrank the Shriners when it comes to conspiracy theorizing.
I finished my taxes late this year. I stood in line at the post office last night for nearly an hour. They didn't have late hours this year to collect your tax returns, and the only way to get a postmark that said the 15th was to get it from the machine, which was slow as hell. The machine at the first post office I went to went "Temporarily Out of Service" after I'd already been there for 10 minutes, so I had to drive to another.
ReplyDeleteI wasted one fracking hour of my time - not counting the drive to two post offices, not counting the time I spent doing my taxes - to obey the letter of the law. My tax return will get there no earlier than if I'd just taken a regular stamp and dropped it in the mailbox, but I needed that little postmark.
SO this: why should I waste my time obeying stupid little rules to avoid a fine when some people get rewarded for breaking the law - not only the illegal aliens, but the businesses who hired them?
So next year - if an amnesty passes - fuck it. If I don't get that little postmark on time I don't care. If they send me a notice asking me to pay a fine, I'll burn the notice and post a video of it on YouTube.
And then there's the issue of privacy. The open borders wackos and some of their useful idiots on the libertarian right oppose a national ID that would help enforce our immigration laws because 'it would be an invasion of privacy.'
Well...I got news for ya: we have no privacy. Thanks to our tax regime, the government knows where we live, our phone number, who we're married to, who our children are, who we work for, how much we make (to the very penny), where we bank, where we trade, how much we earn in interest and cap gains, ad infinitum. That doesn't even get into all the other private data they collect if you want to qualify for all the other possible credits and deductions. And that doesn't count all the other information they have - health records from Medicare, school records, etc.
One of these days they're going to start taxing sex and require you to list all of your sexual partners and the positions you did it in. Fortunately if that happens I'll be getting a refund, but it'll suck for everyone else.
"Yeah, probably ... but who's gonna stop 'em?"
ReplyDeleteWell, at least in the case of certain Antipodean media barons - age. He's not going to learn any new tricks but his kids have a lot better opportunities to see the way the world works. And you can bet that his white children won't be exactly enamoured with his new Chinese wife or her progeny.
In general, I don't think that suicidal PC can last. There is a reason that the world doesn't worship Jim Jones, even if nearly a thousand people once drank the kool-aid.
It might be a big conspiracy, somewhere - or more likely several smaller ones to move us to the left - but looking at some of the political debates on my Facebook wall when the Leftists weigh in, or just casual conversations with some of my more liberal friends, I can say that it's more like an ideology they've been brainwashed with from infancy. It's a from of insanity. They're not getting directions from some central authority to make this or that point. It comes straight from the brainwashing.
ReplyDeleteFor example, it used to be more or less a given that a nation existed to serve the interests of its own people - i.e., nationalism. Nowadays if you even make a defense of even a mild form of nationalism even half of "conservatives" will think you a racist.
Was this twisted, mutant ideology sent down from on high, or is it just a reductio ad absurdum? Did we start with some really bad premises and follow them to a really insane conclusion?
Of course most of the groups advocating for open borders are just doing so out of greed. Like ag subsidies, immigration is an issue where virtually all of the money - and absolutely all of the big money - is on one side of the debate.
It's not a conspiracy if they are transparent about it. It's like the Pope dividing the New World between Portugal and Spain in 1494. It wasn't exactly a secret.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, that we are to be bent over and screwed is not really in question. They are just deliberating over how deep, how long, how thick, and whether or not to use any lube.
"Since such a vigilance seems to be a full time job just to keep up with the organized interests."
ReplyDeleteVery good points, Yavor. Of course the reason such vigilance is a full-time job is because the organized interests we're fighting can afford to make fightinf for open borders a full-time job for literally hundreds of people.
The Catholic Church (even post-gay priest scandals) has a level of power and respect, or at least name recognition, that other churches don't have. Also, the Church has held the line against many social deviancies while other churches caved in -- contraception, abortion, same-sex marriage, womyn priests, etc. That means many people see her as ultra-conservative -- cruel and uncaring, in other words -- so if she comes out for amnesty, that means more than if some liberal do-gooder church does. It's the same reason a Republican like Rubio can do so much more damage to the cause than all the Democrats.
ReplyDeleteI think there are certainly people and groups who would like to be the Inner Party of the grand liberal conspiracy, but I think most of this stuff just happens because people are on the same wavelength. Going back to the Catholic Church, even the Church itself isn't of one mind on this. Official Church teaching as found in the catechism clearly states that nations have a responsibility to their citizens and to enforce their borders. (It also suggests that wealthy peoples have some responsibility to help struggling ones, but that can be (and is) done without importing the people.) The pro-amnesty push in the Church comes from individual bishops and priests doing their own thing, not from any top-down directives.
It's that way with most organizations: CNN and CBS don't need talking points to make sure they say the same things; they say the same things because they believe the same things.
Conspiracy theories that try to conceptually work their way back from an undesirable outcome (from the conspiracy theorist's point of view) to a cause a la "follow the money" are analogous to intelligent design theories. It is very anti-Occam's Razor ...
ReplyDeleteDude - Intelligent Design is PRECISELY the Occam's Razor explanation for the unfathomably infinite complexity of a physical world which is only 10 or 15 billion years in age.
Nobody who knows the first thing about probability theory can possibly believe that so much complexity was able to randomly assemble itself in such an impossibly short time frame.
well i don't have children and never will so i really dont care about the future
ReplyDeleteI'm convinced they all think this is the only way they can keep the bubble economies going. The Church, they think they're going to get a lot of docile brown parishioners. And boomer priests will be getting their Social Justice ya-yas on to boot. They're ready to replace us pew potatoes.
ReplyDeleteFacebook strikes me as the archetype of this frivolous, consumptive New Economy. If you're FB, there can NEVER be too much of anything! Same with churches, welfare Ponzi schemes, McCheapCrap business. More, more, MORE!
The original (and only) draw of FB was its exclusivity. Recall movie-version Zuck sneering at his business partner's schlepping for ads. Look at FB now! Full of cheesy ads, invasive and stupid apps and other baubles that end-user boobs think are "free."
If only we lived in a democracy with universal sufferage. Then the votes of the more numerous average Americans would overwhelm the others.
ReplyDeleteYou may as well have said "the financial industry" and left it at that.
ReplyDeleteWho benefits?
Virtually every economist has noted the transfer of wealth from the lower 90 to the top 10% over the last 40 years. The decline in percentage share of the economy generated by manufacturing has been mirrored by the gain in speculative finance's share. When the crisis hit, the banks issued their one page ultimatum. Their solvency trumps everything else. They sit supreme atop the pyramid.
Are you talking about intentionally working together or working essentially independently to achieve the same goal?
ReplyDeleteIndeed. Group think is not conspiracy.
some bizarre socio-biological phenomenon of nihilism-induced mass hysteria and ingroup death-wish-ism
This is it.
I agree. But you also need to add the animal kingdom into the conspiracy. And a good portion of the plant kingdom too.
ReplyDeleteSeriously Steve. It's that big.
Conspiracies happen all the time. We have laws against certain kinds, and there would not need to be such laws if such things never happened. Also, people are charged with conspiracy all the time, so we know people do conspire. And, we can assume many more are not caught. And that only counts conspiracies involving crimes. People are very willing to conspire. It is part of our nature to get a group to work together for some end, secretly if it is more expedient.
ReplyDeletehey steve good news. your influence is growing [not on immigration silly!]. you're cited in the wikipedia polygamy article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy#United_States
ReplyDeletelet's see if we can get a meme going:
ReplyDeleteLet's stop legal immigration in any form, from countries that have terrorist ties, or fund anti american attacks.
It could have saved just one child.
Aren't we willing to say that it's time to protect our children, and our children shouldn't be mowed down by haters?
I mean, if Lanza is a reason for gun control, aren;t two bomb blasts reason to stop Saudi student visas? it's for the children!
"Patrimony"- an interesting word. I wonder how many people, including those on this post, think much of such an idea. I know I've posted this citation from Tocqueville before, but great quotes resonate in many ways. The key phrase:
ReplyDelete...Thus not only does democracy make every man forget his ancestors, but it hides his descendants and separates his contemporaries from him; it throws him back forever upon himself alone and threatens in the end to confine him entirely within the solitude of his own heart.
Leaders of both political parties are conspiring together and with the President, the press, big business, the Catholic Church, radical leftists, the financial industry, an Antipodal media baron, big landowners, lobbyists, foreign interests, Facebook, and the world's richest man...
ReplyDeleteSteve, at first I was disappointed you did not mention the Scots-Irish. But then I examined your list and figured that after tossing out the President, the Catholic Church and Carlos Slim, you probably included them anyway.
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ReplyDeleteIf you had literally any understanding of history you would note that everything the "Boomers" are supposedly guilty of was taught to them by a select segment of the "Silent" and "Greatest" generations. I hate to break the news to you, but the vast majority of "Boomers" got married, went to work, had children, and in truth had next to no influence on anything. No war protests, little or no drug use, nor did they see themselves as some sort of "chosen generation" destined to be savers of the world. A "select few" did, just has happened in every generation which preceeded them and those which have followed.
Note the use of the phrase "Select Segment." It only takes a small percentage of people in the proper positions of influence to have huge impacts, be they in the classroom, the media in whatever form, behind the pulpit or say, in government. A law here and another one there, a "reinterpretation" of "privacy" by "Greatest" and "Silent" generation judges in Roe v. Wade, The Pill being introduced in 1960 by a "Greatest Generation" chemist to help primarily "Silent Generation" females to control their procreation as the oldest "Boomer" was but 14 at the time. A movie here and there, the type of "programming" on television. A few taxpayer-funded "Silent Generation" feminists teaching the doctrine to millions of Boomer girls in the public school classroom goes "a long way, baby."
It's the "little things" that one generation does that definitively overlap onto the next that eventually manifest themselves into behaviors that break down the order of that which came before, legacy errors (even if quite deliberate) so to speak, that do the damage. Everything the Boomers did was taught to them by others. Generally not their parents but definitely by members of their parents generation. Period.
Unless you are stupid, you can fix the problem(s)that are causal of your ignorance. As Henry Ford once argued, "Thinking is hard work, which is why so few do it." Engage.
Are you talking about intentionally working together or working essentially independently to achieve the same goal?
ReplyDeleteWhen enough people of an identifiable group(s) acting individually converge on the same ideology and manifest the same behavior, it can accurately be said that a conspiracy is afoot, in practice if not in declared sentiment. At that tipping point, what the hell difference does it make if the attack is coordinated or emergent?
What Stefor Yavonov said above. I'd add that we seem to be watching natural selection at work with those having the traits leading to law abidingness and hard work being done in by those who are in possession of other traits. The results of polls are quite manipulated by the pollsters, of course. Most Americans recoil at the thought that lawbreakers can one day become citizens. Hell, they recoil at the idea of anchor babies getting citizenship as well, yet these same Americans, which must include most of us here, have not taken to the streets, have we. The traits that have in the past helped create a productive, cohesive society are now working against our survival.
ReplyDeleteYour not paranoid Mr. Sailer.
ReplyDeleteThey really are out to get us.
They're not getting directions from some central authority to make this or that point. It comes straight from the brainwashing.
ReplyDeleteWhich only begs the question: Who's doing the all the brainwashing? And why is it the same message - more or less - everywhere in MSM?
If Catholics said NO to this 'conspiracy' and opposed it, it would still go on.
ReplyDeleteIf conservatives said NO to this 'conspiracy', it would still go on.
If blacks said NO to this 'conspiracy', it would still go on.
If labor unions said NO to this 'conspiracy', it would still go on.
If white middle class said NO to this 'conspiracy', it would still go on.
If American Indians said NO to this 'conspiracy', it would still go on.
If Muslim-Americans and Asian-Americans said NO to this conspiracy, it would still go on.
But if Jewish-Americans said NO to this 'conspiracy' and opposed it, it would end.
Only Jews have the interconnecting nexus of power among big business, media, Wall Street, Washington, law firms, academia, courts, and think thanks to push or end this issue.
In any kind of movement or action, there are leaders and followers. Just because many people go along doesn't mean they are all in on the conspiracy. They could be just following the small number of conspirators since the latter have so much power to reward the good dogs that obey and destroy the bad dogs that don't obey. Carrots and sticks. Republican biggies can reap huge fortunes and advantages by playing along. If they refuse, they'll be attacked and defunded as 'hate-filled xenophobes'.
It's like when Germany invaded USSR. Yes, all of Germany lined up behind it and German officers and soldiers all took part, but who made the decision? Who pushed the button? Hitler and his coterie of insiders. So, the conspiracy to invade Russia was small but the collaboracy was huge. If Hitler had decided NO, there would have been on invasion.
If Jews really wanted to end this immigration stuff, they could overnight for they control the politicians, media, thinktanks, courts, and entertainment, etc. And because Jewish money is all over American politics from left to right.
But Jews will push it, and no one will call Jews out on it because it'd be 'antisemitic' and you'll be blacklisted faster than you can say 'Rick Sanch...'
Same with 'gay marriage'. Does anyone think it would gained so much traction if not for the conspiracy among Jews. The likes of Charles Murray, Walter Russell Mead, and Rush Limbaugh are really just collabocrats. They follow or don't resist orders from top, just like German officers during WWII. If they follow, there are so many candies and prizes. If not, they'll be hounded and reviled by MSM which has just become the propaganda wing of globalist Jewish power.
They're merely behaving rationally.
ReplyDeleteHow the euro descended protestants were taught to hate themselves (and their children)is the story of the 20th century
ReplyDelete"In general, I don't think that suicidal PC can last. There is a reason that the world doesn't worship Jim Jones, even if nearly a thousand people once drank the kool-aid."
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Agreed. At least in private, I usually encounter relieved agreement and hearty laughter when I mock the positions that are supposedly near universal at this point.
False consensus plays a key role, perhaps even THE key role in the maintenance of PC's taboo structure.
It's not just disgruntled White conservatives than are losing faith in the narrative. As a social sciences grad student in a left-leaning program, I generally try skirt the edge of acceptable public discourse during discussions. I've found that even open-minded Hispanics and fellow Askenazim respond favorably to my positions.
If you cheerfully broach Saileresque topics with tact and humor, you might be surprised how broad the Overton window really is.
-The Judean People's Front
"big landowners" Oh Steve little land owners need immigrants as much if not more than big ones.
ReplyDelete"Okay, forget I ever said that."
ReplyDeleteToo late.
The Black Helicopters will be there shortly, supported by the black Chevy Suburbans with black tinted windows.
I wonder what happened to Samuel Gompers and Booker T. Washington, or even some of the later Populist and Progressive leaders.
ReplyDeleteThey all recognized the real threat to this country was a massive Reserve Army of the Unemployed.
God bless 'em, I think many leftists honestly believe that there is enough money to feed and pacify the world if only we could wrest it from the hands of the Robber Barons.
Fellow travelers, many of them, and perhaps greedy and lazy, but not a knowing part of any conspiracy with rich folks.
Some how we have gone from Washington with his "cast down your buckets" white man and hire black folks not foreigners, to Bobby Rush (!) insisting that the illegals taking black jobs in Chicago be called "undocumented immigrants". Likewise, the Congressional Black Caucus. The CBC preaches the same sermon.
Who do you figure they are working for? Anyone? Or are they just stupid? They sure haven't been listening to common everyday black folks.
Sadly, the black leadership has been infected with the "white-gentiles-can-never-be-trusted-they-can-only-be-genocided-over-time" meme.
"I don't think that suicidal PC can last. There is a reason that the world doesn't worship Jim Jones, even if nearly a thousand people once drank the kool-aid."
ReplyDeleteI am sooo stealing this :)
I wouldn't rule it out.
ReplyDeleteConspiracies are secret. This is all out in the open.
ReplyDeleteIt's so crazy, it just might work!
ReplyDeleteSteve that's not a conspiracy. Its not a conspiracy if its shouted to the rooftops. A conspiracy is a small cabal, working in SECRET, acting on its own interests.
ReplyDeleteExamples include the Wilkes plotters, the Communists in Russia in 1917, Augusto Pinochet in Chile, the US and Britain in Iran to restore the Shah, etc.
What you are describing is the average person refusing to recognize reality when it stares them in the face, because to recognize the reality is decidedly unpleasant, not the least of which is the removal in definite terms of the elite who will fight it every inch.
Bottom line, Steve, and you know this because you're a market research guy -- you can't sell something to masses of people that they don't want. No matter how much money, and effort you devote to it: the Edsel, Microsoft Bob, Windows 8, the Zune, Betamax, New Coke, all failures despite massive investments in marketing and messaging. About 85% of all new TV shows fail, and the number of shows that go to pilot and picked up is also about 15%.
Most books, movies, tv shows, etc. fail and fail solidly. Look at Disney and John Carter, to take one $350 million example.
The American people would rather live in Tijuana with all that implies, gang violence, poverty, being a Gringo in Mexico, than stand up to their elites and lose their moral status/whoring. To be brutally honest.
Matthew -- its not just the government that knows all about you. Facebook, Twitter, APPLE (which is primarily a phone and data marketing company these days) know more than that. Including your sexual and political preference, taste in music, books, movies, spending habits, credit rating, and much much more.
ReplyDeleteAnd the reason you have to follow the rules is because you are a Jew in the Weimar Republic. Rules don't apply to the privileged: Obama, Tim Geithner, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, the latter two easily skating by sexual harrassment laws and campaign laws respectively because they are the privileged. So too the various non-White groups. I suspect most people who are unfortunately White but lack privilege will follow the rules to a T -- and try to evade the spirit as much as possible. Hence a Black or Craigslist economy, Italian-style.
Steve -- Conspiracy thinking is magical ghost dancing. If we just "expose" these evil-doers goes the thinking, magically bad stuff goes away. Well, the rot goes deep. And yes, Beta White males are a good part of this support for massive open borders by White single women. Its not as if they have to battle masses of Salma Hayeks at their prime for the few Alpha males, while the Adam Carollas who don't make it in comedy have to battle a tidal wave of competitors who work cheaper. Conspiracy thinking is like bleeding a patient with anemia, it does not focus on the problem (the fundamental breakdown between White men and women, mostly due to technology i.e. pill and condom) and thus offers quackery solutions.
Look at the Nazis. The fundamental problem was not a "stab in the back" but the Kaiser unwisely tossing aside Bismarck and allowing France and Russia to ally (throwing over the Three Emperors League) and picking a naval fight with Britain who otherwise would have remained in splendid isolation. But the quackery found a receptive audience because the real world would have imposed limits: keeping Britain happy, by not challenging its naval supremacy or colonies abroad, and befriending one of France or Russia, pick'em.
America has always had elites. They haven't been this poisonous because America's middle and working class were more unified (i.e. mostly married) and proud not ashamed of their patrimony, heritage, and shared sacrifices. The problem is not the elites -- it is the lack of challenge by ordinary people collectively.
Americans don't have patrimony. They have propositions.
ReplyDeleteWith each presser, Hilary grows nervous about Deval Patrick.
ReplyDeleteConspiracy may not be the right word. All of the groups you mention are participating, but not all of them are "in on the scheme".
ReplyDeleteOnce you establish the meme and get a few people on board, it spreads itself. The first few people are active conspirators, but many of those who follow are simply useful idiots who function as repeaters; broadcasting what they honestly believe is "morally right". They are inspired to go out and "bring others to the light", a result of their own internalized value system. They don't think to ask who put those values there.
Did you ever wonder why the people on Easter Island didn't simply stop building stone heads at some point before they had cut down all the available trees?
Well now you know.
"And then there's the issue of privacy. The open borders wackos and some of their useful idiots on the libertarian right oppose a national ID that would help enforce our immigration laws because 'it would be an invasion of privacy."
ReplyDeleteMany conservatives oppose the ID card too. I have no clue why. It's not like we live in a free country at this point.
We can't sell our house to who we want, can't hire who we want,can't have our own schools, have no control of the borders, have to pay for illegals who need medical care or their children food, have to pay for blacks on section 8 to live in our neighborhood, have to build ballparks for teams.
Dude - Intelligent Design is PRECISELY the Occam's Razor explanation for the unfathomably infinite complexity of a physical world which is only 10 or 15 billion years in age.
ReplyDeleteNobody who knows the first thing about probability theory can possibly believe that so much complexity was able to randomly assemble itself in such an impossibly short time frame.
First, Occam's Razor is about probabilities. It's not like it's a law. Second, ID adds an unnecessary assumption (Creator), so it fails the test.
They really are out to get us.
I remember the day I really "got" this. Not in my mind, but in my balls. I was watching TV about 11 years ago, and some P.O.S. elitist talking head on Charlie Rose or whatever was shilling for immigration or globalism or whatever, and I just "got" it; these people detest us and want us paved over. All the hairs on my neck stood up, and I could almost smell the grey man behind the camera.
First, Occam's Razor is about probabilities. It's not like it's a law. Second, ID adds an unnecessary assumption (Creator), so it fails the test.
ReplyDeleteSo instead you make essentially infinitely many assumptions, each of which will almost surely never occur, all in the hopes that if you run your infinite Monte Carlo routine infinitely many times, you just might see something even vaguely interesing coalesce itself into existence approximately infintely many years from now?
Don't lecture me on assumptions.
But do get back to me when your Monte Carlo routine produces something even as simplistic as, say, a Minuet in G.
Whiskey's jewdar-red alert-early warning system goes off and he comes tearing to the computer to deflect towards Pinochet, Germans and other white people.
ReplyDeleteanonymous at 4/16/13, 11:06 AM
ReplyDeleteBut if Jewish-Americans said NO to this 'conspiracy' and opposed it, it would end.
Only Jews have the interconnecting nexus of power among big business, media, Wall Street, Washington, law firms, academia, courts, and think thanks to push or end this issue.
In any kind of movement or action, there are leaders and followers. Just because many people go along doesn't mean they are all in on the conspiracy. They could be just following the small number of conspirators since the latter have so much power to reward the good dogs that obey and destroy the bad dogs that don't obey. Carrots and sticks. Republican biggies can reap huge fortunes and advantages by playing along. If they refuse, they'll be attacked and defunded as 'hate-filled xenophobes'.
It's like when Germany invaded USSR. Yes, all of Germany lined up behind it and German officers and soldiers all took part, but who made the decision? Who pushed the button? Hitler and his coterie of insiders. So, the conspiracy to invade Russia was small but the collaboracy was huge. If Hitler had decided NO, there would have been on invasion.
You nailed it. That was the best comment of the thread. We should not confuse the few that devise and push bad policies from the collaborators who carry it through. Though the collaborators should receive our scorn, we know that they would never have the power to push these policies on their own.
Conspiracy implies they're hiding something. This seems out in the open. Is there no other term? Groupthink seems somewhat applicable.
ReplyDeleteYour point is taken though. There are things going on now that remind me of the 70's. Another great time for The Man. Another time change started and was un-noticed - deliberately or not.
"But if Jewish-Americans said NO to this 'conspiracy' and opposed it, it would end.
ReplyDeleteOnly Jews have the interconnecting nexus of power among big business, media, Wall Street, Washington, law firms, academia, courts, and think thanks to push or end this issue.
In any kind of movement or action, there are leaders and followers. Just because many people go along doesn't mean they are all in on the conspiracy. They could be just following the small number of conspirators since the latter have so much power to reward the good dogs that obey and destroy the bad dogs that don't obey. Carrots and sticks. Republican biggies can reap huge fortunes and advantages by playing along. If they refuse, they'll be attacked and defunded as 'hate-filled xenophobes'.
It's like when Germany invaded USSR. Yes, all of Germany lined up behind it and German officers and soldiers all took part, but who made the decision? Who pushed the button? Hitler and his coterie of insiders. So, the conspiracy to invade Russia was small but the collaboracy was huge. If Hitler had decided NO, there would have been on invasion."
I also agree that this is a very pertinent comment. In much the same way that the left has aimed to get its own people in key positions of power (e.g. editors, judiciary, professors etc.) through its long march through the institutions, we should consider a similar focus: influencing Jews.
Part of that means understanding the Jewish power structure, whether there is one. Is there a coterie of insiders, or is it a loose coalition of actors that each asks the question "Is it good for the Jews?" I really do not know what the answer is, but would like to be informed. I suspect the latter.
One can look at the way in which Frankfurt School PC originally was created and spread, to provide some explanation. It was funded by Felix Weil, who used his father's grain fortune to found the Institute for Social Research, and it was because he became a Marxist early on in life along with his friends, that he decided that this was a worthy pursuit.
Although it had huge ramifications, the founding of this was almost accidental. Not exactly Protocols type stuff, just a trust-fund dilettante who created a revolution that was blindly embraced by Jews en masse, without a great deal of thought as to whether it would really be good for them. "It screws the goyim? It must be good for us! Where do I sign?"
From what I can gather, this schisming and creative experimentation is quite typical for Jewry. Consider Saul and his Christian missionary activity. This is an early example of the creation of a movement first embraced by some Jews and then later castigated by them.
What might we learn from this? First of all, patience. PC was invented in the 1920s and didn't start to really flexing muscle until the late 1960s. It didn't become entrenched in attitudes until at least 20 years later or more. That's a huge time scale, the better part of a century. Some of us are frustrated if we don't see some gains in a year or two.
Second, that persuasive argument (and the funds to create it, if necessary) are the beginning of any movement to change the status quo. Theories, writings, discussion. Big dreams, lofty goals, high IQ threshold stuff. They needed to decide what they were going to do first, and why.
Obviously, someone read it and funded more of it or at least whatever the original theorists thought should be done. That someone had wealth.
Thirdly, there was some persuasive argument that it was good for Jews (I suppose).
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ReplyDeleteSo now what? I would argue that in a lot of ways, Steve (and probably other bloggers who I don't read) has already gotten the ball rolling. There is an intellectual framework around HBD supported by evidence. There are good arguments (at least, I think they are good, and I think at least some Jews agree) that PC is bad for Jews. What would be better for Jews is a reignited, more symbiotic relationship with Europeans.
Plenty of Jews read iSteve and the comments section. There are bound to be a few on here that have some combination of influence, money and intellect. That's a start. In fact, plenty of people read iSteve. There is nothing magical about converting money to political and ideological influence, but you have to want to do it which is unlike Europeans generally, who largely see that sort of activity as a waste of money.
In my view they are wrong, but it might depend on the situation. A low overhead, more r-selected ethnicity (Euros) can do great at pioneering exploration or colonisation of a new country. But to have prevented our present situation, we would have done better to behave in a more K-selected way rather than a flock of stupid passenger pigeons.
In any case, I certainly don't see the situation as hopeless, but more as a nadir or turning point in a struggle to regain our patrimony. I definitely see signs that other people see the problem, want to rectify it, and have funding. They just aren't the majority yet.
Similarly, it is important to note that not all Jews are (blindly) in favor of immigration. They do outnumber the ones against by 2 to 1 though, and this needs to be worked on. It would be very interesting to see rates of change in Jewish opinion on this issue.
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What might we learn from this? First of all, patience. PC was invented in the 1920s and didn't start to really flexing muscle until the late 1960s. It didn't become entrenched in attitudes until at least 20 years later or more. That's a huge time scale, the better part of a century. Some of us are frustrated if we don't see some gains in a year or two.
ReplyDeleteWe don't have the luxury of patience. Our problem is not just that we are losing the ideological arguments of the day. We are losing demographically. At the rate we are going, twenty to forty years in the future means we will forever be a minority. The longer we wait, the more entrenched the other side becomes
Similarly, it is important to note that not all Jews are (blindly) in favor of immigration. They do outnumber the ones against by 2 to 1 though, and this needs to be worked on. It would be very interesting to see rates of change in Jewish opinion on this issue.
That doesn't do us any bit of good unless they speak out. It is clear that non-Jews cannot speak out against Jews. Even mentioning Jewish names without malice gets one into trouble. Just ask Glenn Beck.
Jews that can see the folly of PC need to take the point and be the face of the opposition. They would be the only ones immune to the nasty charge of anti-Semitism.
"A paranoid man is one in full possession of the facts." (William S. Burroughs)
ReplyDeleteSlightly more seriously, there is no need to invoke conspiracy theories when there is a coincidence of special interests. My own take on public affairs is that political leaders will take the path of least resistance between elitist special interests and populist public opinion.
But public opinion can be hood-winked especially when the organs of opinion making are of one mind. In this case the mind is the liberal mind, with its ever-lurking Death Wish.
I really have no idea why liberals actively seek the destruction of their own civilization, both anthropologically and ecologically. I am guessing that they really have no anticipation of patrimony so aprez moi le deluge.
Terrorism is generally the weapon of the less powerful--unless it's a false flag operation like the Lavon Affair.
ReplyDeleteThose with power have control of the military, secret police, regular police, courts, propamedia, schools, and etc. They possess the 'legal' means to tighten their grip over the populace. They don't use terrorism but legalist tyrannism.
Globalist Tyrannists are hard at work to control speech, take guns, and silence white interests.
Steve -- Conspiracy thinking is magical ghost dancing. If we just "expose" these evil-doers goes the thinking, magically bad stuff goes away.
ReplyDeleteYou're still taking headers into the concrete bottom of reality, I see.
Jewish power (for example) is fragile. All it would take is a change in attitude in the populace, and much of it would evaporate. Like Iago in Othello - if Othello just knew he was an enemy, he could've put a stop to his machinations. Iago's power was fragile and predicated on deception.
So instead you make essentially infinitely many assumptions, each of which will almost surely never occur, all in the hopes that if you run your infinite Monte Carlo routine infinitely many times, you just might see something even vaguely interesing coalesce itself into existence approximately infintely many years from now?
Don't lecture me on assumptions.
U mad bro?
If X is the number of assumptions involved in arriving at all this complexity, then:
Whether the mechanisms involved are evolution or divine intervention doesn't seem to necessarily vary the value of X. In other words, whether it was the Creator or evolution, the complexity got here somehow; in fact, it's not even a binary choice - the Creator could have used evolution.
Thus:
The number of assumptions involved in evolution = X
The number of assumptions involved in ID = X+1 (the 1 being the additional assumption of a Creator)
Feel free to lecture me if I got something wrong, though.
P.S., doesn't the fact that the Creator did such a good job of making His existence a matter of faith imply that He, at best, doesn't give a shit about us?
But do get back to me when your Monte Carlo routine
I don't have a Monte Carlo routine. I don't have a routine. I'm an Agnostic. If you don't want lectures, don't abuse Occam's Razor. If you aren't abusing Occam's Razor, show your work.
You nailed it. That was the best comment of the thread. We should not confuse the few that devise and push bad policies from the collaborators who carry it through. Though the collaborators should receive our scorn, we know that they would never have the power to push these policies on their own.
True, but then, so is the reverse.
"We don't have the luxury of patience. Our problem is not just that we are losing the ideological arguments of the day. We are losing demographically. At the rate we are going, twenty to forty years in the future means we will forever be a minority. The longer we wait, the more entrenched the other side becomes"
ReplyDeleteThat is true, but it is not hopeless. For instance, look at the boundaries of Israel vs Palestine over time to get an idea of what is possible.
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